Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[Scoots1994]

Hayward would be great on the Warriors, but not on a huge contract. He moves himself and the ball, he works on defense and he shoots the ball well. He's a perfect vet off the bench for them. But not at the cost of Wiggins let along 1 or 2 draft picks.

Great? Hmmm. He would be great as a 6th man type on a much cheaper contract.

He's in the same camp to me as Rudy Goober.....Both have really high reputations but neither moves the needle in making a difference when it counts. IMO Rudy is a completely overhyped stiff (relative to his reputation). He's slow as hell....average to bad hands....and WTF has he done to put Utah into a next level? We are talking about a 7' supposed stud yet every year wins or losses on on the shoulders of all the other players.

Hayward to me is that same type of dude. If he was that good why doesn't he ever take a game over for the Celtics?

Both Rudy and Hayward were on Utah and they couldn't get deep into the playoffs. Both, IMO, are decent roll players but that' sit.

I'll keep Wiggins before I trade him even straight up for Hayward.

Okay "great" was hyperbole. I meant more that he'd FIT great. Smart player, good shooter, moves the ball, supposedly a good person. Seems like a real "Warrior" type player. He would be incredible on the MLE.

Gobert too is a better overall player than some people think, but certainly not the best center in the NBA. He's a good offensive and defensive player but he can be schemed into irrelevance which means he's more of a regular season player than playoffs. If you watch his games everybody avoids going at him in the post and that has real value but his foot speed isn't good enough to stand up to a scheme designed to attack him outside in.

But NO QUESTION I'd rather have Wiggins than either of them. But likewise if they both came to the Warriors this offseason on sweetheart deals the fans and teams of the NBA would be pissed at the Warriors again.

[Scoots1994]

Wiggins for Embiid is in play. Philly has Horford still. We can sweeten deal by adding this years lottery pick.

Curry
Klay
MLE
Green
Embiid

Paschall
Chriss
Poole
TPE

In what world do we have the assets for Embiid? Wiggins is widely viewed as a negative contract, whereas Embiid is a dominant two-way center and perennial all-star. We don't have the picks to offer Philadelphia to make that trade worth their while and there's no way in hell that Horford's presence is going to make them willing to trade Embiid.

I think the NBA values Embiid below what you seem to. That said, I agree that Wiggins alone doesn't get him. I'd rather have Simmons than Embiid. Keep in mind Embiid is averaging less than 35 games a season and that sets up this contract's owed $90M+ let alone his next contract as a major risk for whichever team invests in him if the Sixers do want to move him.

[ahmetmekin]

Hayward would be great on the Warriors, but not on a huge contract. He moves himself and the ball, he works on defense and he shoots the ball well. He's a perfect vet off the bench for them. But not at the cost of Wiggins let along 1 or 2 draft picks.

Great? Hmmm. He would be great as a 6th man type on a much cheaper contract.

He's in the same camp to me as Rudy Goober.....Both have really high reputations but neither moves the needle in making a difference when it counts. IMO Rudy is a completely overhyped stiff (relative to his reputation). He's slow as hell....average to bad hands....and WTF has he done to put Utah into a next level? We are talking about a 7' supposed stud yet every year wins or losses on on the shoulders of all the other players.

Hayward to me is that same type of dude. If he was that good why doesn't he ever take a game over for the Celtics?

Both Rudy and Hayward were on Utah and they couldn't get deep into the playoffs. Both, IMO, are decent roll players but that' sit.

I'll keep Wiggins before I trade him even straight up for Hayward.

Okay "great" was hyperbole. I meant more that he'd FIT great. Smart player, good shooter, moves the ball, supposedly a good person. Seems like a real "Warrior" type player. He would be incredible on the MLE.

Gobert too is a better overall player than some people think, but certainly not the best center in the NBA. He's a good offensive and defensive player but he can be schemed into irrelevance which means he's more of a regular season player than playoffs. If you watch his games everybody avoids going at him in the post and that has real value but his foot speed isn't good enough to stand up to a scheme designed to attack him outside in.

But NO QUESTION I'd rather have Wiggins than either of them. But likewise if they both came to the Warriors this offseason on sweetheart deals the fans and teams of the NBA would be pissed at the Warriors again.

AD is probably the best 2nd option type guy in the NBA and the fact that you cannot trust him as the first option does not make him bad. Rudy is similarly not supposed to be the best player of the team. He is a monster defensively and the Warriors suck defensively right now. The main issue for him would be the fit with Dray. But Curry, Klay, Wiggins + a PF who can shoot and defend (an average guy suffices)+ Gobert is easily a contender and I would probably pick this roster as the favourite.

So the issue is that the Warriors have indeed problems in 3 different positions. Dray causes plenty of structural problems. He cannot shoot, his DPOY days are gone. Wiggins has the physical tools and skills but not the mentality. C spot is also empty. Dray-Gobert swap looks better than a Wiggins-Gobert swap although Green is supposed to be much better than Wiggins.

I think it also makes sense to get Dipo for Wiggins and Curry, Dipo, Klay, Green, and a C who can defend and shoot should be also one of the top contenders.

So in order to contend the Warriors should trade one of Wiggins and Dray next year. Or they may get lucky in the draft and one of Wiggins and Dray becomes the 6th man but I don't think they would accept that role.

[Warriors Analyst]

Wiggins for Embiid is in play. Philly has Horford still. We can sweeten deal by adding this years lottery pick.

Curry
Klay
MLE
Green
Embiid

Paschall
Chriss
Poole
TPE

In what world do we have the assets for Embiid? Wiggins is widely viewed as a negative contract, whereas Embiid is a dominant two-way center and perennial all-star. We don't have the picks to offer Philadelphia to make that trade worth their while and there's no way in hell that Horford's presence is going to make them willing to trade Embiid.

I think the NBA values Embiid below what you seem to. That said, I agree that Wiggins alone doesn't get him. I'd rather have Simmons than Embiid. Keep in mind Embiid is averaging less than 35 games a season and that sets up this contract's owed $90M+ let alone his next contract as a major risk for whichever team invests in him if the Sixers do want to move him.

Your conception of his value seems like pure speculation. Embiid missed his first two seasons, which is fair to point out, but your math is pretty dishonest. If you count the seasons Embiid actually played, he's averaged 50 games a year, which isn't great, but it's not what you made it to out to be. That first year he played, he was on severe restrictions. Take out that season and he's played about 60 game a season, and probably would have done so as well this year if not for Coronavirus.

Simmons only makes sense as a Draymond replacement. I'd rather have Embiid than Simmons if it means keeping Draymond, not that either of these scenarios are realistic to consider.

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[ILOVEIT]

Hayward would be great on the Warriors, but not on a huge contract. He moves himself and the ball, he works on defense and he shoots the ball well. He's a perfect vet off the bench for them. But not at the cost of Wiggins let along 1 or 2 draft picks.

Great? Hmmm. He would be great as a 6th man type on a much cheaper contract.

He's in the same camp to me as Rudy Goober.....Both have really high reputations but neither moves the needle in making a difference when it counts. IMO Rudy is a completely overhyped stiff (relative to his reputation). He's slow as hell....average to bad hands....and WTF has he done to put Utah into a next level? We are talking about a 7' supposed stud yet every year wins or losses on on the shoulders of all the other players.

Hayward to me is that same type of dude. If he was that good why doesn't he ever take a game over for the Celtics?

Both Rudy and Hayward were on Utah and they couldn't get deep into the playoffs. Both, IMO, are decent roll players but that' sit.

I'll keep Wiggins before I trade him even straight up for Hayward.

Okay "great" was hyperbole. I meant more that he'd FIT great. Smart player, good shooter, moves the ball, supposedly a good person. Seems like a real "Warrior" type player. He would be incredible on the MLE.

Gobert too is a better overall player than some people think, but certainly not the best center in the NBA. He's a good offensive and defensive player but he can be schemed into irrelevance which means he's more of a regular season player than playoffs. If you watch his games everybody avoids going at him in the post and that has real value but his foot speed isn't good enough to stand up to a scheme designed to attack him outside in.

But NO QUESTION I'd rather have Wiggins than either of them. But likewise if they both came to the Warriors this offseason on sweetheart deals the fans and teams of the NBA would be pissed at the Warriors again.

BTW....I agree that Hayward would be a GREAT teammate for the team. He seems like a really good chemistry guy. In fact that may be why he seems to fall flat. I wish he had a little more alpha in him...He's kind of like Klay in that way....

[ILOVEIT]

In what world do we have the assets for Embiid? Wiggins is widely viewed as a negative contract, whereas Embiid is a dominant two-way center and perennial all-star. We don't have the picks to offer Philadelphia to make that trade worth their while and there's no way in hell that Horford's presence is going to make them willing to trade Embiid.

I think the NBA values Embiid below what you seem to. That said, I agree that Wiggins alone doesn't get him. I'd rather have Simmons than Embiid. Keep in mind Embiid is averaging less than 35 games a season and that sets up this contract's owed $90M+ let alone his next contract as a major risk for whichever team invests in him if the Sixers do want to move him.

Your conception of his value seems like pure speculation. Embiid missed his first two seasons, which is fair to point out, but your math is pretty dishonest. If you count the seasons Embiid actually played, he's averaged 50 games a year, which isn't great, but it's not what you made it to out to be. That first year he played, he was on severe restrictions. Take out that season and he's played about 60 game a season, and probably would have done so as well this year if not for Coronavirus.

Simmons only makes sense as a Draymond replacement. I'd rather have Embiid than Simmons if it means keeping Draymond, not that either of these scenarios are realistic to consider.

I agree....Simmons only makes sense if it's IN PLACE of Green. And I'm not a huge fan of what that brings us if you consider the emotional leader role that Green often plays. Going to war? Give me Green every day of the week.

[Scoots1994]

Great? Hmmm. He would be great as a 6th man type on a much cheaper contract.

He's in the same camp to me as Rudy Goober.....Both have really high reputations but neither moves the needle in making a difference when it counts. IMO Rudy is a completely overhyped stiff (relative to his reputation). He's slow as hell....average to bad hands....and WTF has he done to put Utah into a next level? We are talking about a 7' supposed stud yet every year wins or losses on on the shoulders of all the other players.

Hayward to me is that same type of dude. If he was that good why doesn't he ever take a game over for the Celtics?

Both Rudy and Hayward were on Utah and they couldn't get deep into the playoffs. Both, IMO, are decent roll players but that' sit.

I'll keep Wiggins before I trade him even straight up for Hayward.

Okay "great" was hyperbole. I meant more that he'd FIT great. Smart player, good shooter, moves the ball, supposedly a good person. Seems like a real "Warrior" type player. He would be incredible on the MLE.

Gobert too is a better overall player than some people think, but certainly not the best center in the NBA. He's a good offensive and defensive player but he can be schemed into irrelevance which means he's more of a regular season player than playoffs. If you watch his games everybody avoids going at him in the post and that has real value but his foot speed isn't good enough to stand up to a scheme designed to attack him outside in.

But NO QUESTION I'd rather have Wiggins than either of them. But likewise if they both came to the Warriors this offseason on sweetheart deals the fans and teams of the NBA would be pissed at the Warriors again.

BTW....I agree that Hayward would be a GREAT teammate for the team. He seems like a really good chemistry guy. In fact that may be why he seems to fall flat. I wish he had a little more alpha in him...He's kind of like Klay in that way....

Yeah, maybe. Klay is maybe too passive, but at the same time Klay definitely has that in him, he just brings it out in other ways most of the time. Klay's biggest issue is that his confidence isn't super strong and he can doubt himself out of performing.

[Quazza]

Okay "great" was hyperbole. I meant more that he'd FIT great. Smart player, good shooter, moves the ball, supposedly a good person. Seems like a real "Warrior" type player. He would be incredible on the MLE.

Gobert too is a better overall player than some people think, but certainly not the best center in the NBA. He's a good offensive and defensive player but he can be schemed into irrelevance which means he's more of a regular season player than playoffs. If you watch his games everybody avoids going at him in the post and that has real value but his foot speed isn't good enough to stand up to a scheme designed to attack him outside in.

But NO QUESTION I'd rather have Wiggins than either of them. But likewise if they both came to the Warriors this offseason on sweetheart deals the fans and teams of the NBA would be pissed at the Warriors again.

BTW....I agree that Hayward would be a GREAT teammate for the team. He seems like a really good chemistry guy. In fact that may be why he seems to fall flat. I wish he had a little more alpha in him...He's kind of like Klay in that way....

Yeah, maybe. Klay is maybe too passive, but at the same time Klay definitely has that in him, he just brings it out in other ways most of the time. Klay's biggest issue is that his confidence isn't super strong and he can doubt himself out of performing.

lol what ?

Cant say Ive EVER felt Klay lacks confidence on the court. In fact, quite the opposite. Not sure Ive ever seen someone keep hoisting when in the depths of a shooting slump, quite like Klay does. To him, he'll always "male the next one"

[Coxy]

Don't look now, but Anthony Davis looks completely uninterested whilst playing for the Lakers right now. He looks like he'd rather be flying a kite out there. He might not like being in Lebron's world.

Trade target?

[ShayDee]

Trade target yeah, but a lot of things have to happen before we can acquire him. First he has to state he won't sign for the Lakers or any team other than the warriors, second, he would have to accept his PO, Third, there would have to be a 3rd team to take in Wiggins contract. It just seems so much of a hassle but I would be down and I'm 99% sure AD would love it here compared to Lakers

Edit: Also I would only give Wiggins + 2020 1st + minny Pick for AD and nothing more. At this point in his carrier he seems pretty volatile and could bounce if nothing happens in 2021 like KD

[wco81]

They play him differently in LA than when he was in NO. They post him down low, where he's effective but it's ugly basketball.

Or they park him outside the arc against big men and he can shoot the 3 or drive past them. Only thing is, he's not a great 3-point shooter. Good form but he's not making enough of them to justify him taking a lot of attempts. And if he's going to take 3s, he should mostly take corner 3s.

[Commodor]

AD is the dream, other than Giannis, but I just cannot imagine the Lakers wanting to make a deal with us. Plus his dis-interest is probably because of locking up the 1st seed. Also as previously stated, so many things need to fall our way for him to come to the bay. I’m not going to hold my breathe.

The big news today is the Simmons injury, which may provide us with the best opportunity to land a star. Sink or swim, it looks like this season hangs on Embiid. One way or another the 6ers may decide it’s time to retool.

A 3 way deal of Beal-Simmons Or embiid-Wiggins & picks & prospects may be the move of the offseason.

[Mylie10]

Don't look now, but Anthony Davis looks completely uninterested whilst playing for the Lakers right now. He looks like he'd rather be flying a kite out there. He might not like being in Lebron's world.

Trade target?

I dunno. They sat Lebron, Caruso, and MgGee that game. They already clinched the number one spot, so they are just kind of playing it out. Next game probably has Davis Sitting while Lebron plays. I wouldn't put any stock into things right now.

[Scoots1994]

lol what ?

Cant say Ive EVER felt Klay lacks confidence on the court. In fact, quite the opposite. Not sure Ive ever seen someone keep hoisting when in the depths of a shooting slump, quite like Klay does. To him, he'll always "male the next one"

Klay has said it himself. When he misses shots he has to force himself to keep shooting. If you watch him his defense gets better when he struggles shooting because he's forcing himself to contribute somewhere on the floor since he gets down on himself. If you watch his after game interview after the 60 point game or the 37 point quarter and he's talking about the shots he missed. He talked about it as his main problem a few times in his first few years in the NBA. He says he plays better when he's not pushing and best when he's not thinking about it at all, so he's got ways to work himself through it.

[basketballRob]

If Fournier opts into his 17m deal. Fournier and Vucevic for Wiggins and the TPE.

Fournier would probably shoot near 50% from 3 with Golden State.

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[ShayDee]

AD has kinda been suspect. Not sure about this one guys. Still take him though

[ILOVEIT]

AD has kinda been suspect. Not sure about this one guys. Still take him though

Buy low...sell high AD is just not getting featured right on the Lakers. It's ALLLLLL about LeBron. His ego makes no room for anyone to feel comfortable IMO. I have no doubt that AD is feeling pressure to live up to LeBron. That Laker team lacks chemistry and it shows. Kuzma clearly thinks he's being undervalued. All conjecture but it would make sense.

I think AD on the Warriors = guaranteed championship. I think it's a much better AD playing with Joy as the 2a&2b scoring option - cleaning up on the glass and getting a steady diet of lobs.

Hoping Lakers get upset by Portland....and AD starts dreaming of playing with a bunch of really nice egoless guys like Warriors.

[wco81]

Vogel said that AD will have to shoot more 3s in the playoffs.

Not sure if he was being honest or it was trying to be wily.

If they have to rely on AD to shoot more 3s, that could be a problem for them.

[vetmin]

Uhhh what we gotta send BKN for Levert?


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