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FO Direction and Aaron Gordon's ceiling 

Post#1 » by dsg2021 » Wed Aug 5, 2020 10:50 am

A two-for-one post!


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I'm sitting here and watching the Magic-Pacers right now (on League Pass recast), and the only thing bringing me down more than JI's recent injury is how easily the Pacers got so many great pieces for a contending team.

Are you ready for that good ol' fashioned, arrogant jump into the GM armchair that we all love to do.. :D


- T.J. Warren and #32 pick acquired by Pacers via cash considerations and cap space. TJ Warren's on a three year, $11.75 mil contract.
- Justin Holiday acquired by Pacers via one year, $4.7 mil FA contract.

*Note: I see ORL meeting a similar offer with its TPE on Baynes and a DJ for Warren deal. Or something along the lines of a trade that would have netted PHO good cap space, and then made up for the "less then full cap space in return" by incentivizing, say, #32 staying in PHO's hands.


Look at the great contract value on these two players (especially pre-epidemic).

Look at their basketball impacts on the floor, too. It's BIG relative to contract.


The ORL FO's direction has very frustratingly been to hold-pace. They made some really big hits by getting great contract values on players like Vooch, T Ross, and Gordon. As well as adding youth to the young/medium-aged team through JI, Fultz, Bamba and Okeke.

On a semi-rational basis, you can't knock a FO for not clearing cap space and getting younger if you're going to get great value contracts on a team that is slowly improving into something like a #7 seed and give its youngsters a proper winning environment, but at the same time, you're not making any big home-run type swings (like a trade up to Doncic), nor are you chasing FURTHER great value plays in PLAYERS LIKE TJ Warren and Justin Holiday at the same time!

So, what is it ORL FO? Are you trying to find the superstar first? Are you trying to make a contending team full of great pieces across the entire roster like say, a DEN team, (especially if it's in a non-comprising way with great value contracts)?
For ORL, it is neither. That is the FO's direction..


This is not miracle, 20-20 hindsight complaining here either.

Do you know who else had a lot of vision to get a player like TJ Warren to ORL?

Many of us here in our very own board!

Granted, his name slid a little from our board's posts because, (let's face it), he was "2 years older" than Kelly Oubre. But so many of us saw the value of a player like Warren for ORL! And right now, his impact for ORL would have been huge!

Add a second, veteran player in Justin Holiday, a 3pt shooter who has shown flashes of great value-for-price throughout his career. And its someone else I've watched a long time who I would have grabbed at the price.

And if ORL simply kept that same mindset of great value-hunting the past two seasons, they may have also upgraded another spot's strength, like PG. The examples of missing out on great value hunting/trading don't stop with the Pacers.

So what exactly then, is ORL's FO direction?




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I know Aaron Gordon didn't show those first few seasons of someone who's going to be superstar or maybe even a perennial, constant All Star. But I'm still on the boat that he's going to have an All Star type career in some of his seasons very soon.

I see some mirroring in Aaron with JI, where they are just too athletic, big or strong, and it's starting to translate in these things where, with experience, Aaron is slowly but surely improving at a variety of things with greater and greater success. You throw in the mix his above average handles, his above average passing vision, and his great defensive pressure and transition threat.. and I personally still see Aaron as untouchable.
His shooting has also improved on top of it all, with some scary hot stretches of shooting in his career so far. You can even analyze and gameplan around what have been his hottest shooting scenarios; off the catch, in his hands, in the corners? And make it happen for him!

The final nail in the coffin for my high belief in Aaron has been his consistent improvement curve as well. Even in, say, a season/stretch where he attacked too much instead of playing smart, or shot below his averages, I literally sit there and see things like a greatly improved passing vision blooming one year. And then this year, it's been his posting up and driving that has seemed to make a big jump to me!
Plus a growing veteran IQ awareness in many areas like the defensive-end.
And he's also been one of our few players who always seems to step up in those clutch scenarios like not letting ORL fall more than 8 points behind, or to hold a small lead, because Aaron will do something such as drive and attack on their best player (hunting for And-1 and foul trouble on an opposing star).

We saw Oladipo go through a big number of seasons before blowing up? What's to say Aaron won't come a similar effect soon too?
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Post#2 » by Dubious Kitty » Wed Aug 5, 2020 12:51 pm

I’ve never seen an FO keep 4/5 starters from a previous regime 4 years in. These guys are just collecting checks.
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Post#3 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Aug 5, 2020 1:17 pm

Dubious Kitty wrote:I’ve never seen an FO keep 4/5 starters from a previous regime 4 years in. These guys are just collecting checks.

Not only that but find a way to fill the bench with G League talent.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Post#4 » by basketballRob » Wed Aug 5, 2020 1:44 pm

Oladipo became a allstar at 25, before that his season high ppg was 17.9.

Gordon is 24 and his career high ppg was 17.6.

Gordon coming back from this break looks like he's gained strength and i could see him averaging 20+ ppg next season.

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Post#5 » by PT416 » Wed Aug 5, 2020 1:48 pm

Gordon is a quality player. He's gonna be an all-star. He has all the tools, he just has yet to put them together. Once he becomes a more consistent shooter, the lanes will open up for him. Only problem is you guys are log jammed at the front court, and I feel like you will see AG hit is true ceiling when Vuc begins declining and starts coming off the bench. Also Isaac is another future all-star.
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Post#6 » by Def Swami » Wed Aug 5, 2020 2:42 pm

To your point, OP, I think what separates to good front offices from the mediocre ones are working the edges of the league to find talent, and accumulating a a lot of good players where you can. The good ones are prying talent out of the crevices of the league and world and developing it.

I've never disliked the Magic's strategy to try to win games while developing players. It takes away our ability to add high end lottery talent, but good teams are able to find the talent in the middle of the first round or second round (the Heat are a top 4 seed on the backs of Bam Adebayo, Kendrick Nunn, and Duncan Robinson). Good teams pry on the bad ones (in this case, the Pacers were opportunistic about taking TJ Warren from the Suns).

You look across the league and start the realize who the best front offices are, and it's not a coincidence those are the teams that are typically having success. Teams like the Raptors, Pacers, Thunder, Heat, Nuggets, Jazz, Blazers are accumulating stables of talent by working those edges. They don't waste draft picks. I find it interesting that a team like the Nuggets had to trade a guy like Malik Beasley away because they had so many talented players and couldn't find him playing time. Their roster just had too many good guards. Beasley averaged 21/5 and shot 42% from 3 as a starter in Minnesota.

The bottom feeders of the league have been the bottom feeders for years because of how they're run. There are just some bad decision-makers in the league. The Knicks, Kings, Wolves, Cavs, Pistons, Suns, Bulls make questionable decisions, draft picks, trades. It's not a coincidence that teams like the Knicks, Kings, Wolves, and Suns have the longest playoff droughts. The pre-Griffin Pelicans can be lumped in this group.

In a lot of ways, the Magic are a .500 team because we have a .500 front office, a .500 head coach, and some .500 players. I think Weltman and Hammond have done the bare minimum required of them. They didn't tear down what was laid for them completely, and that's okay. We're hard on this roster, but there are some good basketball players on this team. You just wouldn't want some of them being your 1st and 2nd best players. Weltman/Hammond are okay at the draft (hit on Isaac, miss on Bamba, who knows on Okeke). Birch was a nice pick up, but no one in their G League is ever playing meaningful minutes in an NBA game. Aminu is one of the most nonsensical signings a team could make, but MCW has been helpful. I give them credit for taking advantage of the Fultz situation and getting him for essentially nothing.

I actually was getting excited about Magic basketball for the first time in awhile. I think between Fultz, Fournier, Isaac, Gordon, Vucevic, and Ross, the team were playing 6 good basketball players. On an inconsistent basis, we were getting enough from Augustin, MCW, Bamba, Birch, and Iwundu. I think the team was slowly building their stable of talent. They're following the playbook of the Raptors and Nuggets. Just slow and steady progress. That's why the Isaac injury is so crushing as a fan. I actually felt like he was a core piece we could build with and even push our team into that category of teams like the Pacers or Jazz. Teams who aren't contenders, but they play hard and will be competitive in every game. I was starting to see the Weltman/Hammond vision.

But, those good teams that we're talking about have dealt with injuries and setbacks, especially the Pacers. They always persevere and find guys to step up, a la TJ Warren. I'm looking forward to seeing where Weltman and Hammond go from here. I don't think they need to tear it down, as much as it may feel like it over the next year that Isaac is gone. I just think they need to bide their time. Maybe Gordon steps up. Maybe it's Fultz. Maybe Okeke steps right in and is good enough. I still think this team can maintain around .500 next season if the team continues to add. And hopefully it finally pays off once Isaac returns.
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Re: FO Direction and Aaron Gordon's ceiling 

Post#7 » by rcklsscognition » Wed Aug 5, 2020 2:59 pm

Anyone can buy high in the stock market, these guys are getting paid to buy low and sell high and can't do either. Not saying they're doing a bad job, they're just doing things that anyone could do, mediocre, not harming, not helping. I would consider the Fultz deal their best deal thusfar.
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Post#8 » by drsd » Wed Aug 5, 2020 3:11 pm

Is Gordon the future of what an NBA talent is?

This is the sole question for the PBO and the GM coming to this off-season.
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Post#9 » by Anti Chalmers » Wed Aug 5, 2020 3:20 pm

Honestly I’m surprised Gordon isn’t an all star level player yet. I’ve been following him ever since his hs hoop mixtape came out and I was like wow, this kid got handles and top tier athletic ability, I hope the Magic gets him in a few years (and we did haha). Seems like he got great work ethic. I still have hopes for him being an all star.
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Post#10 » by Rainwater » Wed Aug 5, 2020 3:32 pm

It will be 2045 and many will still be hoping that AG will become a multi year all-star.
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Post#11 » by Skybox » Wed Aug 5, 2020 3:36 pm

I’m a big AG fan and would like to, some day, see him next to Bamba and Isaac, with Bamba (not today) having a very limited, but elite role and AG’s versatility really shining in a more uptempo system without Vuc dominating the offense (and stats). Having said that, why did TJ Warren run through him like that?

Is IND really a contender or significantly closer than ORL? They are conservatively coached, solid on D (very aggressive pressure), deep on role players, and low on mistakes, nice mix of young vets and youth...sound familiar? If they pay Vic and he doesn’t become Lillard/Harden/Curry...they are just as much a treadmill team as us...lots to be happy about but no guarantees of progress. Not slamming them at all, just confirming grass color.
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Post#12 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Aug 5, 2020 3:57 pm

Skybox wrote:I’m a big AG fan and would like to, some day, see him next to Bamba and Isaac, with Bamba (not today) having a very limited, but elite role and AG’s versatility really shining in a more uptempo system without Vuc dominating the offense (and stats). Having said that, why did TJ Warren run through him like that?

Is IND really a contender or significantly closer than ORL? They are conservatively coached, solid on D (very aggressive pressure), deep on role players, and low on mistakes, nice mix of young vets and youth...sound familiar? If they pay Vic and he doesn’t become Lillard/Harden/Curry...they are just as much a treadmill team as us...lots to be happy about but no guarantees of progress. Not slamming them at all, just confirming grass color.


the big difference I saw last night was how they moved the ball. Cutting to the basket, making the extra pass and working hard defensively. Meanwhile we play a 1v1 game and let others stand out by the 3 point line. It's selfishness and then when we don't score our defensive effort is piss poor. Its so easy to stop caring when you see guys not boxing out and letting up easy rebounds, lack of help defense all around and just lazy basketball. Orlando doesn't have a Vet on the team in terms of getting on guys and not letting laziness be acceptable.

On top of that the not so shocking thing is our guard rotation has to be bottom of the league. DJ is aging, Fultz is still a work in progress and then MCW is coin toss. Pacers were able to bring in McConnell and he really took it to us and helped run that 2nd unit. Magic absolutely need to upgrade at the 1 and I don't want to see them be lazy and just re up MCW because that won't solve the issue
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Post#13 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Aug 5, 2020 8:04 pm

Even if AG doesn't become an All-Star, he is a lefit solid starting player while $18 mil per is a great deal for a young player of his talent level.
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Post#14 » by The Effect » Wed Aug 5, 2020 8:23 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
Dubious Kitty wrote:I’ve never seen an FO keep 4/5 starters from a previous regime 4 years in. These guys are just collecting checks.

Not only that but find a way to fill the bench with G League talent.

This is why so many of us were screaming at the tv during the 2017 draft when WeHam trade away 2 top 35 picks because "the draft flatten".. there were so many good players left at 25, 33 and 35 and we just traded them away because they didnt want too many young players all coming in at one (WHAT?!@?!?!?). Then in 18, they seemed to completely forget to do any scouting what so ever and just drafted 3 guys who had the longest wingspan for their position while ignoring if any of them could actually play, Shocking that all 3 are bench players or worse after 2 years

I really dont get what the FO is trying to do. The only positive move this team has made in the past 2 years was bringing in fultz, and even hes not a slam dunk at this point
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Post#15 » by Skybox » Wed Aug 5, 2020 8:51 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote: Its so easy to stop caring when you see guys not boxing out and letting up easy rebounds, lack of help defense all around and just lazy basketball. Orlando doesn't have a Vet on the team in terms of getting on guys and not letting laziness be acceptable.


This, IMO, is a HUGE factor...You have to a vet (helps tremendously if he's better than you and has been THERE) to smack the kids around and hold them accountable. LBJ is obviously top of the food chain, but imagine the pressure to please him if you are a young teammate...you do NOT want him writing you off. It's why I always wonder what Wiggins would be today if CLE had kept him to grow under LBJ's tough love instead of MIN's happy losers. It's just one MORE reason why our FO needs to consider overpaying for a strong veteran influence who can actually play and (in our case) score...Vet leadership is also why I have no doubt that a guy like AG would thrive on a strong veteran team like GSW, where his role would be clear and there would be scent of a hierarchy struggle. Pretty much all of our guys from Vuc to Evan on down would defer to a star leader on this or another team, if not to a kindly supportive coach. It's a whole different dynamic.

I still think that CJ McCollum has the intellect and confidence (and the game) to take the leap from second banana to being a team's offensive hub and fiery leader. Others are certainly there already, but CJ is an example of one who MAY be obtainable. A strong leader raises everyone on the roster and enables you to take chances on talented but troubled guys like LAL is now able to do.
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Post#16 » by jonbob17 » Wed Aug 5, 2020 9:00 pm

I mean TJ Warren is on a heater, let's not crown him the next MJ. He is good, and the Pacers absolutely stole him, not sure what the Suns were thinking. Oubre might be a similar player the Magic could chase. I don't know that either are different makers, even though the magic could surely use a 20 point a game player at the 3.

The sad thing when comparing the Magic to a team like the Pacers is: 1. the Pacers are not contenders, and they are heaps better than the Magic. 2. The Pacers had Paul George that landed them Oladipo and Sabonis, and even then, the Pacers couldn't have imagined both players would have turned out so well.

If everything broke right for the Magic, the current Pacers team would be an optimistic outcome. Who is that, the sixth best team in the conference, who probably will lose their best player next year for next to nothing?

I will say I do like what the Pacers have done, before JI's injury destroyed my optimism, I though Justin Holiday should be our offseason target, if we were going to continue our annual quest for the 7th seed.

The path the Magic FO is taking, is the Milwaukee path, you know just find the best player in the league at pick 15 in the draft, and then continue to find high end role players and starters at the end of the first round and into the second.

That seems repeatable.
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Post#17 » by cedric76 » Wed Aug 5, 2020 9:17 pm

AG will leave orl as soon as he has a chance
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Post#18 » by Bensational » Wed Aug 5, 2020 9:18 pm

Def Swami wrote:I've never disliked the Magic's strategy to try to win games while developing players. It takes away our ability to add high end lottery talent, but good teams are able to find the talent in the middle of the first round or second round (the Heat are a top 4 seed on the backs of Bam Adebayo, Kendrick Nunn, and Duncan Robinson). Good teams pry on the bad ones (in this case, the Pacers were opportunistic about taking TJ Warren from the Suns).

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In a lot of ways, the Magic are a .500 team because we have a .500 front office, a .500 head coach, and some .500 players. I think Weltman and Hammond have done the bare minimum required of them. They didn't tear down what was laid for them completely, and that's okay. We're hard on this roster, but there are some good basketball players on this team. You just wouldn't want some of them being your 1st and 2nd best players. Weltman/Hammond are okay at the draft (hit on Isaac, miss on Bamba, who knows on Okeke). Birch was a nice pick up, but no one in their G League is ever playing meaningful minutes in an NBA game. Aminu is one of the most nonsensical signings a team could make, but MCW has been helpful. I give them credit for taking advantage of the Fultz situation and getting him for essentially nothing.


I think the value of developing players on a playoff competing team will start to show greater dividends in player development than we would see if WeHam were given more high lottery picks. I can only imagine they would continue to draft project talent, unless gifted someone like Trae or Luka.

Taking a step back to appreciate what Clifford has done, he's found ways to get the best out of Vuc and Ross in his first year. This season, it seems he's finding how to get the best out of Gordon. Fournier was having a career year prior to the covid-pause. He's basically doing the 'buy low' work in-house. If we traded any of those guys away to a team like the Pacers, Raptors, Nuggets or Celtics and we saw them make these kinds of improvements we would be livid we hadn't been able to do it here.

TJ Warren is on fire right now, but I don't think he would be playing as well, or his play wouldn't have been as respected if he'd stayed in Phoenix under the tanking conditions they had previously operated under. Look at the guys Toronto have developed in the background - Siakam, VanVleet, Powell, Anunoby. They've improved as players and learned how to do so at a winning standard along the way.

And Clifford hasn't even really started to maximise the potential of Fultz, Bamba, Okeke and Isaac. That's frustrating, but when Fultz and Isaac have been playing well previously he's allowed them to keep doing their thing. It might seem like a double standard, but he rewards their consistency, even if he doesn't consistently incorporate these players into the offense so they feel included and motivated and don't force things.

Just look at Gordon 2 seasons ago compared to now. He wanted the extra touches, but he wasn't ready, so they became inefficient and bad habits. Now he looks much more settled on the court.

I'll lay a wild claim down - I think this team could be kept together with the basic core of Vuc/Gordon/Ross/Fournier/Fultz/Bamba/Okeke/Isaac and in two seasons time they'll be even better than they are now, and look different as the young guys emerge. Being patient with that in the face of mediocre results will be a challenge and painful, but it could very well be worth it.
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Post#19 » by Def Swami » Wed Aug 5, 2020 11:57 pm

Bensational wrote:
Def Swami wrote:I've never disliked the Magic's strategy to try to win games while developing players. It takes away our ability to add high end lottery talent, but good teams are able to find the talent in the middle of the first round or second round (the Heat are a top 4 seed on the backs of Bam Adebayo, Kendrick Nunn, and Duncan Robinson). Good teams pry on the bad ones (in this case, the Pacers were opportunistic about taking TJ Warren from the Suns).

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In a lot of ways, the Magic are a .500 team because we have a .500 front office, a .500 head coach, and some .500 players. I think Weltman and Hammond have done the bare minimum required of them. They didn't tear down what was laid for them completely, and that's okay. We're hard on this roster, but there are some good basketball players on this team. You just wouldn't want some of them being your 1st and 2nd best players. Weltman/Hammond are okay at the draft (hit on Isaac, miss on Bamba, who knows on Okeke). Birch was a nice pick up, but no one in their G League is ever playing meaningful minutes in an NBA game. Aminu is one of the most nonsensical signings a team could make, but MCW has been helpful. I give them credit for taking advantage of the Fultz situation and getting him for essentially nothing.


I think the value of developing players on a playoff competing team will start to show greater dividends in player development than we would see if WeHam were given more high lottery picks. I can only imagine they would continue to draft project talent, unless gifted someone like Trae or Luka.

Taking a step back to appreciate what Clifford has done, he's found ways to get the best out of Vuc and Ross in his first year. This season, it seems he's finding how to get the best out of Gordon. Fournier was having a career year prior to the covid-pause. He's basically doing the 'buy low' work in-house. If we traded any of those guys away to a team like the Pacers, Raptors, Nuggets or Celtics and we saw them make these kinds of improvements we would be livid we hadn't been able to do it here.

TJ Warren is on fire right now, but I don't think he would be playing as well, or his play wouldn't have been as respected if he'd stayed in Phoenix under the tanking conditions they had previously operated under. Look at the guys Toronto have developed in the background - Siakam, VanVleet, Powell, Anunoby. They've improved as players and learned how to do so at a winning standard along the way.

And Clifford hasn't even really started to maximise the potential of Fultz, Bamba, Okeke and Isaac. That's frustrating, but when Fultz and Isaac have been playing well previously he's allowed them to keep doing their thing. It might seem like a double standard, but he rewards their consistency, even if he doesn't consistently incorporate these players into the offense so they feel included and motivated and don't force things.

Just look at Gordon 2 seasons ago compared to now. He wanted the extra touches, but he wasn't ready, so they became inefficient and bad habits. Now he looks much more settled on the court.

I'll lay a wild claim down - I think this team could be kept together with the basic core of Vuc/Gordon/Ross/Fournier/Fultz/Bamba/Okeke/Isaac and in two seasons time they'll be even better than they are now, and look different as the young guys emerge. Being patient with that in the face of mediocre results will be a challenge and painful, but it could very well be worth it.


Agree. The lineup of Fultz, Fournier, Isaac, Gordon, Vucevic with Ross as 6th man felt like a fun team heading into '20-'21. Adding 3 more good players to that rotation and I think the Magic could have been a fun, competitive team to watch, raising its floor. The ceiling being dependent on how good Isaac and Fultz become. I still think next season can be good without Isaac depending on how the Magic fill that void.
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Post#20 » by Rainwater » Thu Aug 6, 2020 1:58 am

I just have a serious question. Although I have been hard on AG I believe he would be a great role player on a team like Portland. With that being said what puts AG on the same career path of a Victor rather than a path of a Andrew Wiggins, a Jabari Parker, a Julius Randle or a Dante Exum? All guys who came out the same draft class, all the same age, highly talented but have been traded from their original team.

I don't think people understand the path to stardom of Victor is so rare but the career path of the others is more the norm of an NBA player.

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