2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

[starbosa10]

I have zero interest in gallo at the years he'll want

[NapoleonII]

Danilo is 31 and already unatheltic AF.

Saric is 26. Gimme Saric all day.

[KLEON]

The bubble is also teaching us a lot:

-Cam is a good rebounder, cutter, and his game has room to grow. That little floater looks good.

-Payne has hit some big shots. Like, step back, in your face 3's. We need some of that from our bench.

-Booker is who many of us thought he was. Max player, first option, give him the **** ball to close out games.

-Ayton's jump shot is pretty automatic. But dude is sooooooooft.

[Skin]

Those saying Oubre is the reason our culture has changed and that is why we can't trade him are totally missing the point in my opinion as Monty, James Jones, and many other players have also greatly contributed to the change of culture. Last summer he definitely wanted more money than he got therefore he signed the 2 year deal to be a FA in 2021 where everyone has money (smart move, yes), but don't be surprised when Oubre either bolts to the highest bidder or demands 20 mil a year when we already have Cam/Mikal who are arguably better. I would love Kelly as a 6th man on this team I think that is his ideal role, but i do not see him accepting that. Not sure how you guys are feeling but I think Oubre is in Orlando to collect checks and will only play if he is desperately needed or we actually make the 8 seed as he has his next contract on his mind (which is fair, but he is not nearly as important to this team as it is made out to be).

This is a really great point!

And exactly my reasoning for any potential Oubre trade discussions. It's not that I wouldn't prefer to keep him ( as I'm sure that we all would). Kellyl has been absolutely great! And a really dynamic influence on our team in many ways. However, As Week and a few others have pointed out, Oubre is really looking at his FIRST BIG CONTRACT in 2021. And to be honest, We can't really know whether or not it was in fact Oubre AND his new agents' preference to have him become a free agent in 2021, So they could both collect a big payday.

Then you need to consider his first real injury recently too, So now his getting the biggest contract possible becomes exponentially important to him as an athlete, As he'll be seeking monetary insurance and security against any potential future reinjuries that might potentially derail his career? Perhaps Oubre didn't initially get as big of an offer from us as he anticipated, And that caused friction between our front office and him, And the end result would be him feeling disrespected and opting to take his chances in 2021? Again with both he and his new agent anticipating a much bigger offer from other teams in free agency. So currently, He's just going through the motions, As to not tank his value. Now this is of course all just speculation, Until it actually happens. I strongly believe, As some have already mentioned, That Jones and the front office have likely discussed potential extension amounts/ expectations between the two parties, And are indeed far apart from where a point of agreement. And I do think that both parties are just being professional and courteous, in order to maintain optimal asset value whilst searching for an amicable trade option prior to his free agency, Otherwise, He's told them he won't be resigning. I mean just look closely at his interactions with the team recently? Has he given any indication or proclamations of his intent to remain here? Has he recently promoted the " Valley Boys" concept? Does it seem like he is openly trying to strengthen/ cement his attachment to the team? Or more like a really good player and genuinely nice guy going through the motions, Biding his time and maintaining his marketable image?

Lastly, I think it's a pretty good indicator of how the situation is beneath the surface that they're promoting/ pushing both Bridges/ Cams' development so ardently during the Orlando games. I also think that ultimately, Sarver has a set ( cheap) amount that he ( as a banker) won't go past or commit to Oubre. And I think that may be the primary source of any potential contractual rift.

As a Magic fan I also think our Front Office will pay big money to pursue Oubre. They are still in the process of molding that team in their own vision. Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic are guys from the previous regime. They are gonna be moved.

My guess is a Gordon/Oubre based swap this off-season.

[nevetsov]

As a Magic fan I also think our Front Office will pay big money to pursue Oubre. They are still in the process of molding that team in their own vision. Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic are guys from the previous regime. They are gonna be moved.

My guess is a Gordon/Oubre based swap this off-season.

Earlier in the season I would have definitely considered that. But seeing Cam Johnson is really slotting into that starting PF slot, and Saric is playing the best ball of his PHX tenure in his role as backup PF, I question now if PF is actually a need for us. Based on the (admittedly very small) sample size so far, I think if Oubre does go, it'll be for a SG-SF defender/shooter/creator. Like a LeVert/ Joe Harris type.

Will be interesting to see how this lineup (with Cam at the PF spot continues to play!

[Qwigglez]

I'm ready to call it now ... our offseason should be to keep most of this team intact. Bring back Saric, Baynes, and Carter. Bring Oubre off the bench. Go and find a backup SG in free agency. Try to find veteran upgrades to replace Diallo, Okobo, and Lecque.

Rubio/Payne/?
Booker/FA/Jerome
Bridges/Oubre/?
Johnson/Saric/?
Ayton/Baynes/Frank

We would have a deep bench

I feel like I've been saying this a lot lately, and also been saying it for a while that I really think this team can do some damage. I'd like to bring back everyone and like you've said replace Diallo, Okobo and Lecque. Funny enough, I think a solid backup SG would probably be Ty Johnson, I'm not sure what happened to him this year, but last year I felt he did a good job of stepping it up. Other interesting candidates that could be low-cost and add some value would be Allen Crabbe (can never have enough shooters), Reggie Jackson, maybe Shabazz Napier. Or we could potentially go after players that are still on their rookie contracts that teams have given up on. Denzel Valentine had a down year, could be had for cheap maybe. We've already discussed Luke Kennard as a potential suitor as well.

[King4Day]

Next game is the battle of undefeateds. Usually our former players exact revenge on us.
We tagged Marcus Morris yesterday. Hopefully we can shutdown TJ tomorrow.

[Mr Puddles]

What about swapping Oubre with the Spurs for White and Belinelli? Then hope that Vassell falls to our pick to add depth to the wing spot (and otherwise draft Nesmith) and bring back Saric + Baynes.


Rubio / White / Payne
Booker / Belinelli / Carter
Bridges / Vassell (or Nesmith)
Cam John / Saric
Ayton / Baynes


Suns become 10/ 11 deep and add three point shooting + elite defenders.

The Spurs still have Murray, Forbes, Walker, Mills in the backcourt and can play a two wing line-up with Oubre and Derozan.

[bwgood77]

What about swapping Oubre with the Spurs for White and Belinelli? Then hope that Vassell falls to our pick to add depth to the wing spot (and otherwise draft Nesmith) and bring back Saric + Baynes.


Rubio / White / Payne
Booker / Belinelli / Carter
Bridges / Vassell (or Nesmith)
Cam John / Saric
Ayton / Baynes


Suns become 10/ 11 deep and add three point shooting + elite defenders.

The Spurs still have Murray, Forbes, Walker, Mills in the backcourt and can play a two wing line-up with Oubre and Derozan.

Pop would not want Oubre. And I'm sure he loves White and Bellinelli....the guys he coaches learn their system and mutual respect is earned.

[Saberestar]

What about swapping Oubre with the Spurs for White and Belinelli? Then hope that Vassell falls to our pick to add depth to the wing spot (and otherwise draft Nesmith) and bring back Saric + Baynes.


Rubio / White / Payne
Booker / Belinelli / Carter
Bridges / Vassell (or Nesmith)
Cam John / Saric
Ayton / Baynes


Suns become 10/ 11 deep and add three point shooting + elite defenders.

The Spurs still have Murray, Forbes, Walker, Mills in the backcourt and can play a two wing line-up with Oubre and Derozan.

Belinelli is an UFA this summer. He can't be traded.

He is 34 and he has played an small role on the Spurs this season, so I think he will get a cheap contract. We can probably add him for the minimum or a bit more than that to give us depth and shooting at SG next season.

[Fo-Real]

Next game is with the Pacers??? They have had our number lately, don't think we have beat them in the last 3 year!!

[WeekapaugGroove]

What about swapping Oubre with the Spurs for White and Belinelli? Then hope that Vassell falls to our pick to add depth to the wing spot (and otherwise draft Nesmith) and bring back Saric + Baynes.


Rubio / White / Payne
Booker / Belinelli / Carter
Bridges / Vassell (or Nesmith)
Cam John / Saric
Ayton / Baynes


Suns become 10/ 11 deep and add three point shooting + elite defenders.

The Spurs still have Murray, Forbes, Walker, Mills in the backcourt and can play a two wing line-up with Oubre and Derozan.

Pop would not want Oubre. And I'm sure he loves White and Bellinelli....the guys he coaches learn their system and mutual respect is earned.

I have litteraly no idea what San Antonio is going to do moving forward. Like I could see them try to run it back with mostly the same team but I could also see them completely rebuild.

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[bwgood77]

What about swapping Oubre with the Spurs for White and Belinelli? Then hope that Vassell falls to our pick to add depth to the wing spot (and otherwise draft Nesmith) and bring back Saric + Baynes.


Rubio / White / Payne
Booker / Belinelli / Carter
Bridges / Vassell (or Nesmith)
Cam John / Saric
Ayton / Baynes


Suns become 10/ 11 deep and add three point shooting + elite defenders.

The Spurs still have Murray, Forbes, Walker, Mills in the backcourt and can play a two wing line-up with Oubre and Derozan.

Pop would not want Oubre. And I'm sure he loves White and Bellinelli....the guys he coaches learn their system and mutual respect is earned.

I have litteraly no idea what San Antonio is going to do moving forward. Like I could see them try to run it back with mostly the same team but I could also see them completely rebuild.

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I think they do both. Murray, White, Poeltl, Lonnie Walker, Luka Samanic, Keldon Johnson...add a lotto pick, keep a few vets around like Bellinelli, Aldridge, DeRozan, Gay, Mills....a lot of those vets have one year left..I could see them moving on from some of them if those younger guys are ready.

[bwgood77]

As a Magic fan I also think our Front Office will pay big money to pursue Oubre. They are still in the process of molding that team in their own vision. Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic are guys from the previous regime. They are gonna be moved.

My guess is a Gordon/Oubre based swap this off-season.

Earlier in the season I would have definitely considered that. But seeing Cam Johnson is really slotting into that starting PF slot, and Saric is playing the best ball of his PHX tenure in his role as backup PF, I question now if PF is actually a need for us. Based on the (admittedly very small) sample size so far, I think if Oubre does go, it'll be for a SG-SF defender/shooter/creator. Like a LeVert/ Joe Harris type.

Will be interesting to see how this lineup (with Cam at the PF spot continues to play!

It will be interesting to see what they do. Gordon would give us better defense than Saric, Oubre or Johnson at the 4 and is also an elite finisher over 70%...and a better passer, and better rebounder...Saric averages slightly more but he plays some C and played without Ayton and Baynes a bit and Gordon played mostly with Vucevic and Isaac. Gordon used to be a monster rebounder.

Now, the one problem with Gordon is his drop in 3 pt shooting, but that can probably be fixed.

I think Cam would be good off the bench at 3/4 and Saric potentially as a backup 4/5...but Saric depends on money...if we did get Gordon I'd probably hope to keep Baynes and move on from Saric unless he was dirt cheap like some expect.

We possibly draft a PF too....especially if we jump, and Gordon only has 2 years left on a declining contract...fits the timeline at 24 so younger than Saric...still a lot of upside and we could use that athleticism.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Pop would not want Oubre. And I'm sure he loves White and Bellinelli....the guys he coaches learn their system and mutual respect is earned.

I have litteraly no idea what San Antonio is going to do moving forward. Like I could see them try to run it back with mostly the same team but I could also see them completely rebuild.

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I think they do both. Murray, White, Poeltl, Lonnie Walker, Luka Samanic, Keldon Johnson...add a lotto pick, keep a few vets around like Bellinelli, Aldridge, DeRozan, Gay, Mills....a lot of those vets have one year left..I could see them moving on from some of them if those younger guys are ready.

As long as Pops there I doubt they go full burn it down... but I also expect Pop to just up and retire with no warning or farewell tour so that could be as soon as this coming off-season.

Curious to see if DeMar opts out this year, I'd lean towards him opting in but who knows. Aldridge has one more year left and is 35 so not part of their long-term.

Poetl might sneaky get a decent contract this winter.

I just look at them and their young guys you mentioned are fine but I'm not sure any are like top 2 players on a playoff team good. Threadmill team is an overused term but that roster is one it's fair to lable so a full rebuild and hope you land a couple top picks could be their best route.

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[bwgood77]

I have litteraly no idea what San Antonio is going to do moving forward. Like I could see them try to run it back with mostly the same team but I could also see them completely rebuild.

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I think they do both. Murray, White, Poeltl, Lonnie Walker, Luka Samanic, Keldon Johnson...add a lotto pick, keep a few vets around like Bellinelli, Aldridge, DeRozan, Gay, Mills....a lot of those vets have one year left..I could see them moving on from some of them if those younger guys are ready.

As long as Pops there I doubt they go full burn it down... but I also expect Pop to just up and retire with no warning or farewell tour so that could be as soon as this coming off-season.

Curious to see if DeMar opts out this year, I'd lean towards him opting in but who knows. Aldridge has one more year left and is 35 so not part of their long-term.

Poetl might sneaky get a decent contract this winter.

I just look at them and their young guys you mentioned are fine but I'm not sure any are like top 2 players on a playoff team good. Threadmill team is an overused term but that roster is one it's fair to lable so a full rebuild and hope you land a couple top picks could be their best route.

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I don't see Pop retiring any time soon...he always said he would when Duncan did but now Duncan is an assistant. With his wife having passed away, doing something he loves every day, I just can't imagine he would want to sit at home and retire unless his health detiorated or something. If you're married, maybe...but without that, I don't see it at all...not with a job like that

[WeekapaugGroove]

I don't want to trade him there but a team that I'd guess would have some real interest in oubre would be OKC. They've needed a wing like him for like a decade. They also have more future 1st round picks than they can realistically use/roster.


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[WeekapaugGroove]

I think they do both. Murray, White, Poeltl, Lonnie Walker, Luka Samanic, Keldon Johnson...add a lotto pick, keep a few vets around like Bellinelli, Aldridge, DeRozan, Gay, Mills....a lot of those vets have one year left..I could see them moving on from some of them if those younger guys are ready.

As long as Pops there I doubt they go full burn it down... but I also expect Pop to just up and retire with no warning or farewell tour so that could be as soon as this coming off-season.

Curious to see if DeMar opts out this year, I'd lean towards him opting in but who knows. Aldridge has one more year left and is 35 so not part of their long-term.

Poetl might sneaky get a decent contract this winter.

I just look at them and their young guys you mentioned are fine but I'm not sure any are like top 2 players on a playoff team good. Threadmill team is an overused term but that roster is one it's fair to lable so a full rebuild and hope you land a couple top picks could be their best route.

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I don't see Pop retiring any time soon...he always said he would when Duncan did but now Duncan is an assistant. With his wife having passed away, doing something he loves every day, I just can't imagine he would want to sit at home and retire unless his health detiorated or something. If you're married, maybe...but without that, I don't see it at all...not with a job like that

You could be right dude is 71 though so at some point the grind gets tough.

He really should have run for president

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Pop would not want Oubre. And I'm sure he loves White and Bellinelli....the guys he coaches learn their system and mutual respect is earned.

I have litteraly no idea what San Antonio is going to do moving forward. Like I could see them try to run it back with mostly the same team but I could also see them completely rebuild.

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I think they do both. Murray, White, Poeltl, Lonnie Walker, Luka Samanic, Keldon Johnson...add a lotto pick, keep a few vets around like Bellinelli, Aldridge, DeRozan, Gay, Mills....a lot of those vets have one year left..I could see them moving on from some of them if those younger guys are ready.

Yeah, the Spurs have low key added some really interesting you pieces. I loved Murray at #14 for us in the 2016 draft and for the life of me couldn't understand how he fell so far.

Disagree with you re Oubre, though. Pop is able to get the most out of players, and when you consider that Oubre's biggest problems - underwhelming team defense and decisionmaking on offense - are things that can be coached, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Spurs were interested.... However. I do think the Spurs would hesitate to trade for a player who is about to command a big pay day. They've been able to get sweetheart deals with their players for years, and KO just isn't that type of guy at this point in his career. So for that reason more than the reasons you mention, I view the Spurs as unlikely landing spot.

[bwgood77]

I have litteraly no idea what San Antonio is going to do moving forward. Like I could see them try to run it back with mostly the same team but I could also see them completely rebuild.

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I think they do both. Murray, White, Poeltl, Lonnie Walker, Luka Samanic, Keldon Johnson...add a lotto pick, keep a few vets around like Bellinelli, Aldridge, DeRozan, Gay, Mills....a lot of those vets have one year left..I could see them moving on from some of them if those younger guys are ready.

Yeah, the Spurs have low key added some really interesting you pieces. I loved Murray at #14 for us in the 2016 draft and for the life of me couldn't understand how he fell so far.

Disagree with you re Oubre, though. Pop is able to get the most out of players, and when you consider that Oubre's biggest problems - underwhelming team defense and decisionmaking on offense - are things that can be coached, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Spurs were interested.... However. I do think the Spurs would hesitate to trade for a player who is about to command a big pay day. They've been able to get sweetheart deals with their players for years, and KO just isn't that type of guy at this point in his career. So for that reason more than the reasons you mention, I view the Spurs as unlikely landing spot.

I think he really wants players to play the right way, likes high iq, move the ball, team players, disciplined on defense, etc. Oubre doesn't seem like a Pop type player at all. I could see him wanting Bridges, or even Cam, though. Possibly even Saric.