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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1922 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Aug 5, 2020 6:34 am

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Police were warning that these white supremacist groups were infiltrating the protests? Warning who exactly? Please. Police officers are already in these groups. I wouldn't be shocked if we later learned that there was prior knowledge and/or coordination.


This article details some of the friendly relationships and allegiances between the police, the Trump administration with some of the types of violent armed groups on the right who if they were black or 'left' would be called terrorists. This isn't a complete list of the incidents I have been coming across all along but it hits some of the notable ones.

https://itsgoingdown.org/this-week-in-fascism-63-police-and-far-right-make-common-cause-in-midst-of-rebellion/


I don't know if people realize Trump was interviewed by Alex Jones in 2015. Trump promised him he wouldn't be disappointed if he got elected.

Well, now Jones is advocating creating hit lists, egging on people to commit murder and become martyrs. No, really, it is happening.

Trumpers are America's new jihadis and some of them are preparing to go on a killing spree.

I've considered Trump both a traitor and a domestic terrorist since 2016 and I've been proven right. We're in for some nasty stuff before this is over. November to January could get very violent and ugly.

Alex Jones Tells His Listeners to Get Ready to Die in Fight Against New World Order

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/alex-jones-tells-his-listeners-to-get-ready-to-die-in-fight-against-new-world-order

ARTICLE:

Spoiler:
Right-wing conspiracy monger Alex Jones said last ​Wednesday that his years-old warnings about a ​globalist “New World Order​” takeover of ​the United States were coming true, so his listeners should try to overcome their fear of death and be ready to “kill as many of them as quickly as possible”—in a “defensive” way, he ​added.

Issuing his latest conspiracy theory from behind an Infowars news desk display​ing military style rifles​, Jones told listeners of “The Alex Jones Show” that his outlet had “confirmed” that “Maoists” in major cities have “explosives and weapons and trucks loaded with ammonium nitrate and just chlorine gas—everything” and are preparing to murder government officials and right-wing talk show hosts. Jones cautioned listeners to avoid “jumping first” at the supposed threat but said they should be ready to start killing people.

“I want to avoid confrontation. I don’t need to put that on my belt that—I mean, I don’t even want to kill these globalists,” Jones said. “But if they want to kill us, the best thing to do in a defensive way is kill as many of them as quickly as possible. Again, the media will misquote that. I don’t want to offensively kill anybody. But I’m not going to take this, OK?”

Jones recommended that people start taking down names and making a list “like Santa Claus” and to “just think about the future.”

“If they take down your country, if they destroy your bank account, they murder a bunch of patriot leaders, what are you going to do? Because you always talked about when the New World Order came in and when the U.N. did this​, you were going to go out and shoot folks in blue helmets. They don’t wear blue helmets. They show up in black uniforms and burn down your local courthouse and overthrow your government, run your life,” Jones said. “And once they get control of your police, those officers are programmed robots now, they’ll follow orders to come after you.”

Jones told viewers not to “have a civil war with the cops, even if they’re captured and cowards and bad people, some of them,” but rather to wage their war against academics and “the establishment perverts and pedophiles that run it.”

“If you’re running a war, you kill high-value targets, and that means the leadership of the New World Order,” Jones said.

Jones told his listeners that they need to mentally prepare themselves to die for the cause.

“I don’t say that to act tough. As men, we have to decide we’re dead already. It’s easy. You’ll never be freer to the point you’re ready to die. Just get over it. It’s not a big deal,” Jones said. “The enemy is not the loser meth-head playing video games that is told by the media and given $100 per day to go out and do this. They’re not the target. You do nothing killing them​, and I don’t want you to kill anybody right now. But I want you to understand where they’ve taken us and what they’ve done and that every single globalist New World Order operative at an executive level is an enemy combatant of humanity.”

“Now is not the time,” Jones said. “You’ll know the time.”

In 2015, then-candidate Donald Trump appeared on Infowars with Jones and told the far-right radio host that his “reputation is amazing.”

“I will not let you down. You will be very, very impressed, I hope,” Trump said to Jones. “I think we’ll be speaking a lot​, but you’ll be looking to me in a year or two years, let’s give me a little bit of time to run things, but a year into office​, you’ll be saying, ‘Wow, I remember that interview, he said he was going to do it​, and he did a great job.’”
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1923 » by stuporman » Wed Aug 5, 2020 12:07 pm

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Police were warning that these white supremacist groups were infiltrating the protests? Warning who exactly? Please. Police officers are already in these groups. I wouldn't be shocked if we later learned that there was prior knowledge and/or coordination.


This article details some of the friendly relationships and allegiances between the police, the Trump administration with some of the types of violent armed groups on the right who if they were black or 'left' would be called terrorists. This isn't a complete list of the incidents I have been coming across all along but it hits some of the notable ones.

https://itsgoingdown.org/this-week-in-fascism-63-police-and-far-right-make-common-cause-in-midst-of-rebellion/


I don't know if people realize Trump was interviewed by Alex Jones in 2015. Trump promised him he wouldn't be disappointed if he got elected.

Well, now Jones is advocating creating hit lists, egging on people to commit murder and become martyrs. No, really, it is happening.

Trumpers are America's new jihadis and some of them are preparing to go on a killing spree.

I've considered Trump both a traitor and a domestic terrorist since 2016 and I've been proven right. We're in for some nasty stuff before this is over. November to January could get very violent and ugly.

Alex Jones Tells His Listeners to Get Ready to Die in Fight Against New World Order

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/alex-jones-tells-his-listeners-to-get-ready-to-die-in-fight-against-new-world-order

ARTICLE:

Spoiler:
Right-wing conspiracy monger Alex Jones said last ​Wednesday that his years-old warnings about a ​globalist “New World Order​” takeover of ​the United States were coming true, so his listeners should try to overcome their fear of death and be ready to “kill as many of them as quickly as possible”—in a “defensive” way, he ​added.

Issuing his latest conspiracy theory from behind an Infowars news desk display​ing military style rifles​, Jones told listeners of “The Alex Jones Show” that his outlet had “confirmed” that “Maoists” in major cities have “explosives and weapons and trucks loaded with ammonium nitrate and just chlorine gas—everything” and are preparing to murder government officials and right-wing talk show hosts. Jones cautioned listeners to avoid “jumping first” at the supposed threat but said they should be ready to start killing people.

“I want to avoid confrontation. I don’t need to put that on my belt that—I mean, I don’t even want to kill these globalists,” Jones said. “But if they want to kill us, the best thing to do in a defensive way is kill as many of them as quickly as possible. Again, the media will misquote that. I don’t want to offensively kill anybody. But I’m not going to take this, OK?”

Jones recommended that people start taking down names and making a list “like Santa Claus” and to “just think about the future.”

“If they take down your country, if they destroy your bank account, they murder a bunch of patriot leaders, what are you going to do? Because you always talked about when the New World Order came in and when the U.N. did this​, you were going to go out and shoot folks in blue helmets. They don’t wear blue helmets. They show up in black uniforms and burn down your local courthouse and overthrow your government, run your life,” Jones said. “And once they get control of your police, those officers are programmed robots now, they’ll follow orders to come after you.”

Jones told viewers not to “have a civil war with the cops, even if they’re captured and cowards and bad people, some of them,” but rather to wage their war against academics and “the establishment perverts and pedophiles that run it.”

“If you’re running a war, you kill high-value targets, and that means the leadership of the New World Order,” Jones said.

Jones told his listeners that they need to mentally prepare themselves to die for the cause.

“I don’t say that to act tough. As men, we have to decide we’re dead already. It’s easy. You’ll never be freer to the point you’re ready to die. Just get over it. It’s not a big deal,” Jones said. “The enemy is not the loser meth-head playing video games that is told by the media and given $100 per day to go out and do this. They’re not the target. You do nothing killing them​, and I don’t want you to kill anybody right now. But I want you to understand where they’ve taken us and what they’ve done and that every single globalist New World Order operative at an executive level is an enemy combatant of humanity.”

“Now is not the time,” Jones said. “You’ll know the time.”

In 2015, then-candidate Donald Trump appeared on Infowars with Jones and told the far-right radio host that his “reputation is amazing.”

“I will not let you down. You will be very, very impressed, I hope,” Trump said to Jones. “I think we’ll be speaking a lot​, but you’ll be looking to me in a year or two years, let’s give me a little bit of time to run things, but a year into office​, you’ll be saying, ‘Wow, I remember that interview, he said he was going to do it​, and he did a great job.’”


Even my 80something year old dad has this belief that Trump is god ordained sent to destroy the deep state and the whole thing is wrapped up in some biblical prophesy of the end times. I talked to him just a few days ago and can't even get through a 10 min conversation without this entering into it but he hasn't gone full Alex Jones. It's a mix of Fox news rhetoric and a TV preacher rambling but it's so far from reality I don't know what to even say to him anymore.

It's just really unbelievable how religion, conspiracy thinking and Trump has destroyed any semblance of coherence in so many people these days....the scary part is that there are some who are very heavily armed. It doesn't even matter whether Trump wins or loses this fall...it's going to get worse either way but I am concerned him losing would be a trigger for some of these people to react in an violent way.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1924 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Aug 5, 2020 2:39 pm

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stuporman wrote:
This article details some of the friendly relationships and allegiances between the police, the Trump administration with some of the types of violent armed groups on the right who if they were black or 'left' would be called terrorists. This isn't a complete list of the incidents I have been coming across all along but it hits some of the notable ones.

https://itsgoingdown.org/this-week-in-fascism-63-police-and-far-right-make-common-cause-in-midst-of-rebellion/


I don't know if people realize Trump was interviewed by Alex Jones in 2015. Trump promised him he wouldn't be disappointed if he got elected.

Well, now Jones is advocating creating hit lists, egging on people to commit murder and become martyrs. No, really, it is happening.

Trumpers are America's new jihadis and some of them are preparing to go on a killing spree.

I've considered Trump both a traitor and a domestic terrorist since 2016 and I've been proven right. We're in for some nasty stuff before this is over. November to January could get very violent and ugly.

Alex Jones Tells His Listeners to Get Ready to Die in Fight Against New World Order

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/alex-jones-tells-his-listeners-to-get-ready-to-die-in-fight-against-new-world-order

ARTICLE:

Spoiler:
Right-wing conspiracy monger Alex Jones said last ​Wednesday that his years-old warnings about a ​globalist “New World Order​” takeover of ​the United States were coming true, so his listeners should try to overcome their fear of death and be ready to “kill as many of them as quickly as possible”—in a “defensive” way, he ​added.

Issuing his latest conspiracy theory from behind an Infowars news desk display​ing military style rifles​, Jones told listeners of “The Alex Jones Show” that his outlet had “confirmed” that “Maoists” in major cities have “explosives and weapons and trucks loaded with ammonium nitrate and just chlorine gas—everything” and are preparing to murder government officials and right-wing talk show hosts. Jones cautioned listeners to avoid “jumping first” at the supposed threat but said they should be ready to start killing people.

“I want to avoid confrontation. I don’t need to put that on my belt that—I mean, I don’t even want to kill these globalists,” Jones said. “But if they want to kill us, the best thing to do in a defensive way is kill as many of them as quickly as possible. Again, the media will misquote that. I don’t want to offensively kill anybody. But I’m not going to take this, OK?”

Jones recommended that people start taking down names and making a list “like Santa Claus” and to “just think about the future.”

“If they take down your country, if they destroy your bank account, they murder a bunch of patriot leaders, what are you going to do? Because you always talked about when the New World Order came in and when the U.N. did this​, you were going to go out and shoot folks in blue helmets. They don’t wear blue helmets. They show up in black uniforms and burn down your local courthouse and overthrow your government, run your life,” Jones said. “And once they get control of your police, those officers are programmed robots now, they’ll follow orders to come after you.”

Jones told viewers not to “have a civil war with the cops, even if they’re captured and cowards and bad people, some of them,” but rather to wage their war against academics and “the establishment perverts and pedophiles that run it.”

“If you’re running a war, you kill high-value targets, and that means the leadership of the New World Order,” Jones said.

Jones told his listeners that they need to mentally prepare themselves to die for the cause.

“I don’t say that to act tough. As men, we have to decide we’re dead already. It’s easy. You’ll never be freer to the point you’re ready to die. Just get over it. It’s not a big deal,” Jones said. “The enemy is not the loser meth-head playing video games that is told by the media and given $100 per day to go out and do this. They’re not the target. You do nothing killing them​, and I don’t want you to kill anybody right now. But I want you to understand where they’ve taken us and what they’ve done and that every single globalist New World Order operative at an executive level is an enemy combatant of humanity.”

“Now is not the time,” Jones said. “You’ll know the time.”

In 2015, then-candidate Donald Trump appeared on Infowars with Jones and told the far-right radio host that his “reputation is amazing.”

“I will not let you down. You will be very, very impressed, I hope,” Trump said to Jones. “I think we’ll be speaking a lot​, but you’ll be looking to me in a year or two years, let’s give me a little bit of time to run things, but a year into office​, you’ll be saying, ‘Wow, I remember that interview, he said he was going to do it​, and he did a great job.’”


Even my 80something year old dad has this belief that Trump is god ordained sent to destroy the deep state and the whole thing is wrapped up in some biblical prophesy of the end times. I talked to him just a few days ago and can't even get through a 10 min conversation without this entering into it but he hasn't gone full Alex Jones. It's a mix of Fox news rhetoric and a TV preacher rambling but it's so far from reality I don't know what to even say to him anymore.

It's just really unbelievable how religion, conspiracy thinking and Trump has destroyed any semblance of coherence in so many people these days....the scary part is that there are some who are very heavily armed. It doesn't even matter whether Trump wins or loses this fall...it's going to get worse either way but I am concerned him losing would be a trigger for some of these people to react in an violent way.


Sorry to hear that. Your experience with your dad is not uncommon. I’ve read articles from the children of older adults who turned hard right after listening to right wing radio and watching Fox News all day.

And you mailed it in the second paragraph.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1925 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Aug 5, 2020 5:50 pm

stuporman wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
stuporman wrote:
This article details some of the friendly relationships and allegiances between the police, the Trump administration with some of the types of violent armed groups on the right who if they were black or 'left' would be called terrorists. This isn't a complete list of the incidents I have been coming across all along but it hits some of the notable ones.

https://itsgoingdown.org/this-week-in-fascism-63-police-and-far-right-make-common-cause-in-midst-of-rebellion/


I don't know if people realize Trump was interviewed by Alex Jones in 2015. Trump promised him he wouldn't be disappointed if he got elected.

Well, now Jones is advocating creating hit lists, egging on people to commit murder and become martyrs. No, really, it is happening.

Trumpers are America's new jihadis and some of them are preparing to go on a killing spree.

I've considered Trump both a traitor and a domestic terrorist since 2016 and I've been proven right. We're in for some nasty stuff before this is over. November to January could get very violent and ugly.

Alex Jones Tells His Listeners to Get Ready to Die in Fight Against New World Order

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/alex-jones-tells-his-listeners-to-get-ready-to-die-in-fight-against-new-world-order

ARTICLE:

Spoiler:
Right-wing conspiracy monger Alex Jones said last ​Wednesday that his years-old warnings about a ​globalist “New World Order​” takeover of ​the United States were coming true, so his listeners should try to overcome their fear of death and be ready to “kill as many of them as quickly as possible”—in a “defensive” way, he ​added.

Issuing his latest conspiracy theory from behind an Infowars news desk display​ing military style rifles​, Jones told listeners of “The Alex Jones Show” that his outlet had “confirmed” that “Maoists” in major cities have “explosives and weapons and trucks loaded with ammonium nitrate and just chlorine gas—everything” and are preparing to murder government officials and right-wing talk show hosts. Jones cautioned listeners to avoid “jumping first” at the supposed threat but said they should be ready to start killing people.

“I want to avoid confrontation. I don’t need to put that on my belt that—I mean, I don’t even want to kill these globalists,” Jones said. “But if they want to kill us, the best thing to do in a defensive way is kill as many of them as quickly as possible. Again, the media will misquote that. I don’t want to offensively kill anybody. But I’m not going to take this, OK?”

Jones recommended that people start taking down names and making a list “like Santa Claus” and to “just think about the future.”

“If they take down your country, if they destroy your bank account, they murder a bunch of patriot leaders, what are you going to do? Because you always talked about when the New World Order came in and when the U.N. did this​, you were going to go out and shoot folks in blue helmets. They don’t wear blue helmets. They show up in black uniforms and burn down your local courthouse and overthrow your government, run your life,” Jones said. “And once they get control of your police, those officers are programmed robots now, they’ll follow orders to come after you.”

Jones told viewers not to “have a civil war with the cops, even if they’re captured and cowards and bad people, some of them,” but rather to wage their war against academics and “the establishment perverts and pedophiles that run it.”

“If you’re running a war, you kill high-value targets, and that means the leadership of the New World Order,” Jones said.

Jones told his listeners that they need to mentally prepare themselves to die for the cause.

“I don’t say that to act tough. As men, we have to decide we’re dead already. It’s easy. You’ll never be freer to the point you’re ready to die. Just get over it. It’s not a big deal,” Jones said. “The enemy is not the loser meth-head playing video games that is told by the media and given $100 per day to go out and do this. They’re not the target. You do nothing killing them​, and I don’t want you to kill anybody right now. But I want you to understand where they’ve taken us and what they’ve done and that every single globalist New World Order operative at an executive level is an enemy combatant of humanity.”

“Now is not the time,” Jones said. “You’ll know the time.”

In 2015, then-candidate Donald Trump appeared on Infowars with Jones and told the far-right radio host that his “reputation is amazing.”

“I will not let you down. You will be very, very impressed, I hope,” Trump said to Jones. “I think we’ll be speaking a lot​, but you’ll be looking to me in a year or two years, let’s give me a little bit of time to run things, but a year into office​, you’ll be saying, ‘Wow, I remember that interview, he said he was going to do it​, and he did a great job.’”


Even my 80something year old dad has this belief that Trump is god ordained sent to destroy the deep state and the whole thing is wrapped up in some biblical prophesy of the end times. I talked to him just a few days ago and can't even get through a 10 min conversation without this entering into it but he hasn't gone full Alex Jones. It's a mix of Fox news rhetoric and a TV preacher rambling but it's so far from reality I don't know what to even say to him anymore.

It's just really unbelievable how religion, conspiracy thinking and Trump has destroyed any semblance of coherence in so many people these days....the scary part is that there are some who are very heavily armed. It doesn't even matter whether Trump wins or loses this fall...it's going to get worse either way but I am concerned him losing would be a trigger for some of these people to react in an violent way.


My condolences. That cannot be easy for you.

Marianne Williams was not a credible candidate for president, but when she said she had a team of warlocks casting spells against Trump I didn't think she was crazy. It made perfect sense considering what has happened. I see black magic being used to infect people's hearts and minds.

Fox News is an evil organization. Trump is an evil spirit. There's a ton of bad juju going on and unfortunately too many people are susceptible. The Nazis were fascinated by occult powers. Putin has annexed the Russian Orthodox church.

The GOP has been mindfcking Americans for decades to break down and disable their critical faculties and install steady state frequencies of fear and loathing. First, they isolate their target population (White Males first, then white females) to make them feel abandoned and victimized by vague opposition powers. Then they cultivate fantasy villains (Hillary, Deep State, etc.) and the Others (Blacks, Immigrants, etc.) and you've got a servile base ready to activate.

Black magic is the amoral psychic control of others to get what you desire. I consider the GOP a black magic operation.

Part of black magic is knowing which emotional states are easiest to manipulate. Anger and Revenge are the lowest emotions hierarchically and the easiest to trigger. Once you baseline a person into a state of chronic anger and resentment, it becomes easier to maintain their paranoia and throttle it when it suits your agenda. This is what has been done to roughly a third of the American population and it is very sad. Unfortunately, many people never recover from this sickness so the main thing is to insulate future generations from inheriting this manufactured madness from their elders.
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1926 » by ITGM » Wed Aug 5, 2020 7:24 pm



Think of all the lives these savage animals ruined under the protection of a racist Institution
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Re: OT: Cops kill George Floyd 

Post#1927 » by Jscratch1200 » Wed Aug 5, 2020 8:50 pm

stuporman wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
stuporman wrote:
This article details some of the friendly relationships and allegiances between the police, the Trump administration with some of the types of violent armed groups on the right who if they were black or 'left' would be called terrorists. This isn't a complete list of the incidents I have been coming across all along but it hits some of the notable ones.

https://itsgoingdown.org/this-week-in-fascism-63-police-and-far-right-make-common-cause-in-midst-of-rebellion/


I don't know if people realize Trump was interviewed by Alex Jones in 2015. Trump promised him he wouldn't be disappointed if he got elected.

Well, now Jones is advocating creating hit lists, egging on people to commit murder and become martyrs. No, really, it is happening.

Trumpers are America's new jihadis and some of them are preparing to go on a killing spree.

I've considered Trump both a traitor and a domestic terrorist since 2016 and I've been proven right. We're in for some nasty stuff before this is over. November to January could get very violent and ugly.

Alex Jones Tells His Listeners to Get Ready to Die in Fight Against New World Order

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/alex-jones-tells-his-listeners-to-get-ready-to-die-in-fight-against-new-world-order

ARTICLE:

Spoiler:
Right-wing conspiracy monger Alex Jones said last ​Wednesday that his years-old warnings about a ​globalist “New World Order​” takeover of ​the United States were coming true, so his listeners should try to overcome their fear of death and be ready to “kill as many of them as quickly as possible”—in a “defensive” way, he ​added.

Issuing his latest conspiracy theory from behind an Infowars news desk display​ing military style rifles​, Jones told listeners of “The Alex Jones Show” that his outlet had “confirmed” that “Maoists” in major cities have “explosives and weapons and trucks loaded with ammonium nitrate and just chlorine gas—everything” and are preparing to murder government officials and right-wing talk show hosts. Jones cautioned listeners to avoid “jumping first” at the supposed threat but said they should be ready to start killing people.

“I want to avoid confrontation. I don’t need to put that on my belt that—I mean, I don’t even want to kill these globalists,” Jones said. “But if they want to kill us, the best thing to do in a defensive way is kill as many of them as quickly as possible. Again, the media will misquote that. I don’t want to offensively kill anybody. But I’m not going to take this, OK?”

Jones recommended that people start taking down names and making a list “like Santa Claus” and to “just think about the future.”

“If they take down your country, if they destroy your bank account, they murder a bunch of patriot leaders, what are you going to do? Because you always talked about when the New World Order came in and when the U.N. did this​, you were going to go out and shoot folks in blue helmets. They don’t wear blue helmets. They show up in black uniforms and burn down your local courthouse and overthrow your government, run your life,” Jones said. “And once they get control of your police, those officers are programmed robots now, they’ll follow orders to come after you.”

Jones told viewers not to “have a civil war with the cops, even if they’re captured and cowards and bad people, some of them,” but rather to wage their war against academics and “the establishment perverts and pedophiles that run it.”

“If you’re running a war, you kill high-value targets, and that means the leadership of the New World Order,” Jones said.

Jones told his listeners that they need to mentally prepare themselves to die for the cause.

“I don’t say that to act tough. As men, we have to decide we’re dead already. It’s easy. You’ll never be freer to the point you’re ready to die. Just get over it. It’s not a big deal,” Jones said. “The enemy is not the loser meth-head playing video games that is told by the media and given $100 per day to go out and do this. They’re not the target. You do nothing killing them​, and I don’t want you to kill anybody right now. But I want you to understand where they’ve taken us and what they’ve done and that every single globalist New World Order operative at an executive level is an enemy combatant of humanity.”

“Now is not the time,” Jones said. “You’ll know the time.”

In 2015, then-candidate Donald Trump appeared on Infowars with Jones and told the far-right radio host that his “reputation is amazing.”

“I will not let you down. You will be very, very impressed, I hope,” Trump said to Jones. “I think we’ll be speaking a lot​, but you’ll be looking to me in a year or two years, let’s give me a little bit of time to run things, but a year into office​, you’ll be saying, ‘Wow, I remember that interview, he said he was going to do it​, and he did a great job.’”


Even my 80something year old dad has this belief that Trump is god ordained sent to destroy the deep state and the whole thing is wrapped up in some biblical prophesy of the end times. I talked to him just a few days ago and can't even get through a 10 min conversation without this entering into it but he hasn't gone full Alex Jones. It's a mix of Fox news rhetoric and a TV preacher rambling but it's so far from reality I don't know what to even say to him anymore.

It's just really unbelievable how religion, conspiracy thinking and Trump has destroyed any semblance of coherence in so many people these days....the scary part is that there are some who are very heavily armed. It doesn't even matter whether Trump wins or loses this fall...it's going to get worse either way but I am concerned him losing would be a trigger for some of these people to react in an violent way.
I deal with mostly Republicans (16 of 18 Republicans on my job site), and I hear the wildest things all day. I usually let them rant or just try to brush them off, even though some things really bother me.

I would say that in one on one situations, most are more level headed enough to at least hear you out and sometimes even agree. But you have the 2 guys that are out right fanatics of Trump and believe all the crazy conspiracies from QAnon.

Some are gullible enough to buy the conspiracy theories from the fanatics, then the rest would look in disgust and maybe shake their head, but nobody really speaks out. When it all comes down to it though, they have lived in a bubble most of their lives and refuse to accept that there could be other sides. They don't take well to criticism or opposing ideas regardless of approach or facts. Their responses turn very violent and are emotionally driven. The whole dynamic is very weird and tricky to navigate. I can definitely see some doing something radical if things don't go their way for sure. And yes these individuals own arsenals of weapons.
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Alex Jones is engaged in hate speech and sedition and should no longer be protected by the first amendment. He should be indicted and arrested.
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The thing that is so difficult to combat is how the 'right' wraps themselves in the bible and the flag so declares themselves the sole protector of America, it's values which are from 'god' therefore are the only morality that is good and that makes this country a Christian nation and they are the arbiters of what that is.

If they say others are evil according to how they interpret the bible then they are evil and say they are destroying society. They also declare how those others 'hate America' because they have decided what is the values and culture so if those others don't agree with their beliefs about it then it's them who are unamerican.

It's this reasoning circle where they get to justify themselves and their beliefs while demonizing anyone who they decide doesn't fit their limited vision of what they want it to be. This plays out in the policing, the military, many businesses and the whole Republican party which they use to discredit Democrats, minorities and the left as evil trying to destroy America because they decide the others 'hate it' and they are the true patriots.

This has been going on since the ink dried on the founding documents and it seems completely lost on them that their beliefs about the constitution, notably the 1st amendment and the freedom of expression/belief, contradict they way they are behaving in society. No one belief system has any preference or power to enforce or exclude according to it, all beliefs have equal protection offered by the bill of rights.

Yet from day one discrimination, marginalization and exclusion has been perpetrated by a select group of people which it has taken hundreds of years to fulfill the words that all are 'created equal'. The country today has more freedom afforded more people than it has ever been but is not....I repeat IS NOT finished fulfilling those words and not all have the benefit of the general welfare.

The 'ideological ancestors' of that select group have been fighting against the inclusion of more people into the promises and protections of the constitution. They have used the police as their brutal arm of authority for nearly all of America's history to protect their wealth and privilege while oppressing anyone who they don't deem worthy of the full enfranchisement of being a citizen of this nation.

The ones who really do embrace the genuine culture of America as defined by the tolerance of the 1st amendment and are accepting of the diversity it establishes need to not allow the intolerant to claim exclusive possession to what is actually contrary to their beliefs.

This country is all of ours not the exclusive domain and right to those who want to restrict it to themselves which in fact their bigotry is unamerican and the discrimination they act with is a violation of other citizen's right to the general welfare provided by this country.

How do we fight the righteous fight in continuing the progress that had been made to a more inclusive freedom America? I'm at a loss because it seems like it's starting to slip away from us into a brutal authoritarian intolerant country....once again.
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stuporman wrote:The thing that is so difficult to combat is how the 'right' wraps themselves in the bible and the flag so declares themselves the sole protector of America, it's values which are from 'god' therefore are the only morality that is good and that makes this country a Christian nation and they are the arbiters of what that is.

If they say others are evil according to how they interpret the bible then they are evil and say they are destroying society. They also declare how those others 'hate America' because they have decided what is the values and culture so if those others don't agree with their beliefs about it then it's them who are unamerican.

It's this reasoning circle where they get to justify themselves and their beliefs while demonizing anyone who they decide doesn't fit their limited vision of what they want it to be. This plays out in the policing, the military, many businesses and the whole Republican party which they use to discredit Democrats, minorities and the left as evil trying to destroy America because they decide the others 'hate it' and they are the true patriots.

This has been going on since the ink dried on the founding documents and it seems completely lost on them that their beliefs about the constitution, notably the 1st amendment and the freedom of expression/belief, contradict they way they are behaving in society. No one belief system has any preference or power to enforce or exclude according to it, all beliefs have equal protection offered by the bill of rights.

Yet from day one discrimination, marginalization and exclusion has been perpetrated by a select group of people which it has taken hundreds of years to fulfill the words that all are 'created equal'. The country today has more freedom afforded more people than it has ever been but is not....I repeat IS NOT finished fulfilling those words and not all have the benefit of the general welfare.

The 'ideological ancestors' of that select group have been fighting against the inclusion of more people into the promises and protections of the constitution. They have used the police as their brutal arm of authority for nearly all of America's history to protect their wealth and privilege while oppressing anyone who they don't deem worthy of the full enfranchisement of being a citizen of this nation.

The ones who really do embrace the genuine culture of America as defined by the tolerance of the 1st amendment and are accepting of the diversity it establishes need to not allow the intolerant to claim exclusive possession to what is actually contrary to their beliefs.

This country is all of ours not the exclusive domain and right to those who want to restrict it to themselves which in fact their bigotry is unamerican and the discrimination they act with is a violation of other citizen's right to the general welfare provided by this country.

How do we fight the righteous fight in continuing the progress that had been made to a more inclusive freedom America? I'm at a loss because it seems like it's starting to slip away from us into a brutal authoritarian intolerant country....once again.


America's diversity is its strength and its weakness depending who you talk to. It remains the most diverse population among the largest nations. The only unity that will come from that is actually ideological in nature. But in order to get consistent consensus around what is a constituional right or what freedoms are we actually fighting for you'll need upcoming generations to be better educated or else we'll keep looping in the same polarized fashion as biases get handed down from older bigots.

The only way out is massive investment in our educational system which would likely be predicated on a progressive movement that reallocates funds from weapons to domestic programs and a tax system that gets a fair share of the wealth back from corporate tax dodgers to redistribute. At this time, there are too many Americans incapable of the kinds of reasoning that produces public discourse conducive to finding common ground and moving forward in a constructive manner. I'm hoping there are enough adults left to kick things off and get the ship rolling.

We are at a historical inflection point where this could happen if there is a landslide for Democrats in November. Within the Democratic party the trend is to move left of center, partly due to younger voters and partly due to pressing issues like climate change that can't be put off for another 8 years. With the current economic situation, this is probably the closest we'll ever be to a mandate to enact massive federal works programs as occurred under FDR.

Since Biden is listening to Sanders and other progressives and making good on his stated intent to rebuild the umbrella for the Dem party, the odds of Biden's administration being the most liberal and forward looking in our lifetime looks pretty likely.

So, there is hope, but they have to execute if they get the landslide mandate. Even then, it will take 20-30 years to see results from a better educational system. For now, there may be enough people to keep a progressive movement going.

Aside from that, you're not going to be able to do much about the Q nation people. They are a lost cause. When they get that far into fantasy land, they rarely come back.
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I don't know if people realize Trump was interviewed by Alex Jones in 2015. Trump promised him he wouldn't be disappointed if he got elected.

Well, now Jones is advocating creating hit lists, egging on people to commit murder and become martyrs. No, really, it is happening.

Trumpers are America's new jihadis and some of them are preparing to go on a killing spree.

I've considered Trump both a traitor and a domestic terrorist since 2016 and I've been proven right. We're in for some nasty stuff before this is over. November to January could get very violent and ugly.

Alex Jones Tells His Listeners to Get Ready to Die in Fight Against New World Order

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Right-wing conspiracy monger Alex Jones said last ​Wednesday that his years-old warnings about a ​globalist “New World Order​” takeover of ​the United States were coming true, so his listeners should try to overcome their fear of death and be ready to “kill as many of them as quickly as possible”—in a “defensive” way, he ​added.

Issuing his latest conspiracy theory from behind an Infowars news desk display​ing military style rifles​, Jones told listeners of “The Alex Jones Show” that his outlet had “confirmed” that “Maoists” in major cities have “explosives and weapons and trucks loaded with ammonium nitrate and just chlorine gas—everything” and are preparing to murder government officials and right-wing talk show hosts. Jones cautioned listeners to avoid “jumping first” at the supposed threat but said they should be ready to start killing people.

“I want to avoid confrontation. I don’t need to put that on my belt that—I mean, I don’t even want to kill these globalists,” Jones said. “But if they want to kill us, the best thing to do in a defensive way is kill as many of them as quickly as possible. Again, the media will misquote that. I don’t want to offensively kill anybody. But I’m not going to take this, OK?”

Jones recommended that people start taking down names and making a list “like Santa Claus” and to “just think about the future.”

“If they take down your country, if they destroy your bank account, they murder a bunch of patriot leaders, what are you going to do? Because you always talked about when the New World Order came in and when the U.N. did this​, you were going to go out and shoot folks in blue helmets. They don’t wear blue helmets. They show up in black uniforms and burn down your local courthouse and overthrow your government, run your life,” Jones said. “And once they get control of your police, those officers are programmed robots now, they’ll follow orders to come after you.”

Jones told viewers not to “have a civil war with the cops, even if they’re captured and cowards and bad people, some of them,” but rather to wage their war against academics and “the establishment perverts and pedophiles that run it.”

“If you’re running a war, you kill high-value targets, and that means the leadership of the New World Order,” Jones said.

Jones told his listeners that they need to mentally prepare themselves to die for the cause.

“I don’t say that to act tough. As men, we have to decide we’re dead already. It’s easy. You’ll never be freer to the point you’re ready to die. Just get over it. It’s not a big deal,” Jones said. “The enemy is not the loser meth-head playing video games that is told by the media and given $100 per day to go out and do this. They’re not the target. You do nothing killing them​, and I don’t want you to kill anybody right now. But I want you to understand where they’ve taken us and what they’ve done and that every single globalist New World Order operative at an executive level is an enemy combatant of humanity.”

“Now is not the time,” Jones said. “You’ll know the time.”

In 2015, then-candidate Donald Trump appeared on Infowars with Jones and told the far-right radio host that his “reputation is amazing.”

“I will not let you down. You will be very, very impressed, I hope,” Trump said to Jones. “I think we’ll be speaking a lot​, but you’ll be looking to me in a year or two years, let’s give me a little bit of time to run things, but a year into office​, you’ll be saying, ‘Wow, I remember that interview, he said he was going to do it​, and he did a great job.’”


Even my 80something year old dad has this belief that Trump is god ordained sent to destroy the deep state and the whole thing is wrapped up in some biblical prophesy of the end times. I talked to him just a few days ago and can't even get through a 10 min conversation without this entering into it but he hasn't gone full Alex Jones. It's a mix of Fox news rhetoric and a TV preacher rambling but it's so far from reality I don't know what to even say to him anymore.

It's just really unbelievable how religion, conspiracy thinking and Trump has destroyed any semblance of coherence in so many people these days....the scary part is that there are some who are very heavily armed. It doesn't even matter whether Trump wins or loses this fall...it's going to get worse either way but I am concerned him losing would be a trigger for some of these people to react in an violent way.
I deal with mostly Republicans (16 of 18 Republicans on my job site), and I hear the wildest things all day. I usually let them rant or just try to brush them off, even though some things really bother me.

I would say that in one on one situations, most are more level headed enough to at least hear you out and sometimes even agree. But you have the 2 guys that are out right fanatics of Trump and believe all the crazy conspiracies from QAnon.

Some are gullible enough to buy the conspiracy theories from the fanatics, then the rest would look in disgust and maybe shake their head, but nobody really speaks out. When it all comes down to it though, they have lived in a bubble most of their lives and refuse to accept that there could be other sides. They don't take well to criticism or opposing ideas regardless of approach or facts. Their responses turn very violent and are emotionally driven. The whole dynamic is very weird and tricky to navigate. I can definitely see some doing something radical if things don't go their way for sure. And yes these individuals own arsenals of weapons.


I think most folks like this disguise their racism with right wing political views. Thinly veiled and every so carefully. Fox News gives them the talking points in easily digestible morsels. They stop just shy of Nazi worship.

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To be fair, the indoctrination starts in the churches and classrooms. There’s a lot of muck to wade through, but it has to start with honest lessons about slavery and genocide. John Oliver dived into how history is taught in schools and it’s a huge problem.

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The rest of us should simply address bad behavior it when we observe it amongst our peers and family. Same as we would with anti-Semitic folk.
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Even my 80something year old dad has this belief that Trump is god ordained sent to destroy the deep state and the whole thing is wrapped up in some biblical prophesy of the end times. I talked to him just a few days ago and can't even get through a 10 min conversation without this entering into it but he hasn't gone full Alex Jones. It's a mix of Fox news rhetoric and a TV preacher rambling but it's so far from reality I don't know what to even say to him anymore.

It's just really unbelievable how religion, conspiracy thinking and Trump has destroyed any semblance of coherence in so many people these days....the scary part is that there are some who are very heavily armed. It doesn't even matter whether Trump wins or loses this fall...it's going to get worse either way but I am concerned him losing would be a trigger for some of these people to react in an violent way.
I deal with mostly Republicans (16 of 18 Republicans on my job site), and I hear the wildest things all day. I usually let them rant or just try to brush them off, even though some things really bother me.

I would say that in one on one situations, most are more level headed enough to at least hear you out and sometimes even agree. But you have the 2 guys that are out right fanatics of Trump and believe all the crazy conspiracies from QAnon.

Some are gullible enough to buy the conspiracy theories from the fanatics, then the rest would look in disgust and maybe shake their head, but nobody really speaks out. When it all comes down to it though, they have lived in a bubble most of their lives and refuse to accept that there could be other sides. They don't take well to criticism or opposing ideas regardless of approach or facts. Their responses turn very violent and are emotionally driven. The whole dynamic is very weird and tricky to navigate. I can definitely see some doing something radical if things don't go their way for sure. And yes these individuals own arsenals of weapons.


I think most folks like this disguise their racism with right wing political views. Thinly veiled and every so carefully. Fox News gives them the talking points in easily digestible morsels. They stop just shy of Nazi worship.

Read on Twitter


The name of the game is getting poor white folk to vote against their interests. Has been for a while.

To be fair, the indoctrination starts in the churches and classrooms. There’s a lot of muck to wade through, but it has to start with honest lessons about slavery and genocide. John Oliver dived into how history is taught in schools and it’s a huge problem.

Read on Twitter


The rest of us should simply address bad behavior it when we observe it amongst our peers and family. Same as we would with anti-Semitic folk.
Yeah, pretty much what Lyndon B. Johnson said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

As far as slavery being taught in school, it is really a big issue. You essentially have people upset and arguing a topic that they don't even comprehend. Then some compound the ignorance with generalizing to fit their perceived reality. That too can go either way.

I had a coworker ask me yesterday why do only white people get the blame for slavery, and I had to break down to him as much as possible and explain that, 1- that is more of a sentiment in the U.S. because of our history, 2- that isn't something that is shared by everyone (aka don't generalize) and 3- yes slavery exist all over the word, but it doesn't make it right. At the end of the day, the real way to combat our situation is education, but that is easier said than done if we aren't open minded.
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The southern strategy language is so insidious. It ropes in poeple who are easily spooked but otherwise have no malice towards anyone in addition to those that do. I have a coworker who is a Trump supporter. He is also the father-in-law of an undocumented Mexican immigrant. When he talks about his daughter-in-law he understands and supports the circumstances of her struggle in ways that utterly floor me because of the detail and empathy he can use describing the complexity, family dynamics, and difficulty navigating the naturalization process she has gone through. He sounds like a undocumented immigrant rights advocate. But when it's people he doesn't know, he'll believe the Trump line. He also was convinced, and quite anxious, that Antifa was on its way in buses to the small town we work in when BLM supporters had a protest in this little podunk. It's an enigma. I've learned to remain calm, listen, and just say "I'm not sure that's all true..."
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