Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce

[GONYK]

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I don't have a great reason for not wanting anything to do with Rice...but I just really don't want to have to deal with another few months of Benghazi BS as the GOP seeks any way to regain hateful momentum against the Democrats.

Yeah, it's an unfortunate problem. I've heard Trumpers utter "Benghazi" like it was a lucky charm. Apparently you can hold endless hearings and conduct multiple investigations and come up empty handed, yet still it persists as a relevant meme in the vegetable brains of the flock. Rice will be subjected to this nonsense.

The one thing you can count on from Kamala is her ability to shut people down. You come at her and you likely will get your head handed back to you. These times require warriors to lead the Democrats to achieve victory and stabilization of democratic functions. For that reason alone, I see why Harris is a good choice for this election and the next 8 years. There is a lot of damage to repair and you're going to need tough as nails anti-corruption people at the top.

TBH, I'm not certain about Rice's leadership qualities. She could be excellent and I just don't know it yet. At least I'm pretty confident about Harris' ability to take charge.

Was Benghazi even effective the first time around?

[Clyde_Style]

Looks like it's on for at least 3 and possibly 4 debates.

Thoughts?

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-will-debate-trump-scheduled-jill-biden-says-dismisses-democrats-urging-him-not-1522824

Joe Biden Will Debate Trump as Scheduled, Jill Biden Says, Dismisses Democrats Urging Him Not To
BY BENJAMIN FEARNOW ON 8/4/20 AT 5:31 PM EDT

Dr. Jill Biden, the wife of presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, said her husband will absolutely be at the scheduled debates with President Donald Trump this fall—rejecting the suggestion of some strategists who urged Biden not to give Trump the platform.

In an interview with Fox News' Dana Perino Tuesday, Jill Biden responded to several Democratic strategists and pundits who have for months suggested the former vice president not share a debate stage for their three scheduled face-offs this fall.

Biden said she had not even heard the recommendations from former White House Press Secretary Joe Lockhart and others who advised her husband, "whatever you do, don't debate Trump." Several Biden supporters, and even some conservative critics of Trump, have urged Biden not to allow Trump to pick up steam as he did against Hillary Clinton in 2016 when the two met for several debates during that election cycle.

"Wondering if you can settle this for us: will the former vice president debate President Trump this fall?" Perino asked Dr. Biden Tuesday.

"Oh yes, he will. I think they've already - I think there's three debates they've decided on. So, yes. He will be there," Biden said, dismissing strategists like Lockhart by saying those individuals "will make up their own mind."

-more-

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/04/trump-biden-debates-calendar-391503

“We want those three and one earlier than the rest,” Tim Murtaugh, Trump’s communications director, told POLITICO.

“President Trump is looking forward to debating Joe Biden, who is the only one who is being publicly advised to skip debates,” Murtaugh said. “Voters in 16 states will already be casting their early votes before the first debate takes place on September 29th as the schedule stands now. We don’t think it’s too much to ask that Americans get a look at the two candidates side-by-side before voters start voting.”

I'll be shocked if Biden debates Trump. That dude B losin his mind.
Watch the last few seconds and not the topic and note what Biden said to this man.

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What a joke if you think that makes a case for anything.

Trump's inability to read and pronouce simple words and phrases is now legendary. If the guy can barely read from a script you don't have a case for his ability to debate.

Trump is illiterate and a m@r@n

Here, feast on some of Trump's pronounciation gaffes. Enjoy your great leader's idiocy

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[Clyde_Style]

I don't have a great reason for not wanting anything to do with Rice...but I just really don't want to have to deal with another few months of Benghazi BS as the GOP seeks any way to regain hateful momentum against the Democrats.

Yeah, it's an unfortunate problem. I've heard Trumpers utter "Benghazi" like it was a lucky charm. Apparently you can hold endless hearings and conduct multiple investigations and come up empty handed, yet still it persists as a relevant meme in the vegetable brains of the flock. Rice will be subjected to this nonsense.

The one thing you can count on from Kamala is her ability to shut people down. You come at her and you likely will get your head handed back to you. These times require warriors to lead the Democrats to achieve victory and stabilization of democratic functions. For that reason alone, I see why Harris is a good choice for this election and the next 8 years. There is a lot of damage to repair and you're going to need tough as nails anti-corruption people at the top.

TBH, I'm not certain about Rice's leadership qualities. She could be excellent and I just don't know it yet. At least I'm pretty confident about Harris' ability to take charge.

Was Benghazi even effective the first time around?

What is effective is the ability of the GOP agit prop machine to instill keywords into reptile brains to trigger mouth foaming anger.

That's the whole point of repeated failed Benghazi investigations. The point was never to succeed in nailing a perpetrator of some fabricated crime. The point is to keep repeating the accusations until it is so deeply lodged in the minds of their base that it effectively villifies their intended targets such as Hillary and Rice.

All of the Benghazi inquiries were just political stunts to tar and feather their opponents, not actual fact finding missions. It was always done to marginalize the Clintonite faction in the minds of voters, nothing more. It worked.

The installation of the What About Hillary meme in the minds of Americans is the greatest success story of 21st Century mind control operations.

[robillionaire]

Yeah, it's an unfortunate problem. I've heard Trumpers utter "Benghazi" like it was a lucky charm. Apparently you can hold endless hearings and conduct multiple investigations and come up empty handed, yet still it persists as a relevant meme in the vegetable brains of the flock. Rice will be subjected to this nonsense.

The one thing you can count on from Kamala is her ability to shut people down. You come at her and you likely will get your head handed back to you. These times require warriors to lead the Democrats to achieve victory and stabilization of democratic functions. For that reason alone, I see why Harris is a good choice for this election and the next 8 years. There is a lot of damage to repair and you're going to need tough as nails anti-corruption people at the top.

TBH, I'm not certain about Rice's leadership qualities. She could be excellent and I just don't know it yet. At least I'm pretty confident about Harris' ability to take charge.

Was Benghazi even effective the first time around?

What is effective is the ability of the GOP agit prop machine to instill keywords into reptile brains to trigger mouth foaming anger.

That's the whole point of repeated failed Benghazi investigations. The point was never to succeed in nailing a perpetrator of some fabricated crime. The point is to keep repeating the accusations until it is so deeply lodged in the minds of their base that it effectively villifies their intended targets such as Hillary and Rice.

All of the Benghazi inquiries were just political stunts to tar and feather their opponents, not actual fact finding missions. It was always done to marginalize the Clintonite faction in the minds of voters, nothing more. It worked.

The installation of the What About Hillary meme in the minds of Americans is the greatest success story of 21st Century mind control operations.

what you are describing is just how politics works these days, it's more of an admission that they ran a better campaign

[robillionaire]

Looks like it's on for at least 3 and possibly 4 debates.

Thoughts?

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-will-debate-trump-scheduled-jill-biden-says-dismisses-democrats-urging-him-not-1522824



https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/04/trump-biden-debates-calendar-391503

I'll be shocked if Biden debates Trump. That dude B losin his mind.
Watch the last few seconds and not the topic and note what Biden said to this man.

Read on Twitter

What a joke if you think that makes a case for anything.

Trump's inability to read and pronouce simple words and phrases is now legendary. If the guy can barely read from a script you don't have a case for his ability to debate.

Trump is illiterate and a m@r@n

Here, feast on some of Trump's pronounciation gaffes. Enjoy your great leader's idiocy

Watch on YouTube

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You left out the latest and best one. It doesn't make Biden's bad interview any better though.

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[GONYK]

Was Benghazi even effective the first time around?

What is effective is the ability of the GOP agit prop machine to instill keywords into reptile brains to trigger mouth foaming anger.

That's the whole point of repeated failed Benghazi investigations. The point was never to succeed in nailing a perpetrator of some fabricated crime. The point is to keep repeating the accusations until it is so deeply lodged in the minds of their base that it effectively villifies their intended targets such as Hillary and Rice.

All of the Benghazi inquiries were just political stunts to tar and feather their opponents, not actual fact finding missions. It was always done to marginalize the Clintonite faction in the minds of voters, nothing more. It worked.

The installation of the What About Hillary meme in the minds of Americans is the greatest success story of 21st Century mind control operations.

what you are describing is just how politics works these days, it's more of an admission that they ran a better campaign

I don't think anyone who bought the Benghazi thing was ever going to vote for Hillary anyway.

That is to say, I don't think Benghazi proved to be an effective point of attack for the GOP. Hillary was uniquely hated on her own without their help.

I don't think resurrecting Benghazi would be harmful to Biden. Nobody cared the first time around.

[robillionaire]

What is effective is the ability of the GOP agit prop machine to instill keywords into reptile brains to trigger mouth foaming anger.

That's the whole point of repeated failed Benghazi investigations. The point was never to succeed in nailing a perpetrator of some fabricated crime. The point is to keep repeating the accusations until it is so deeply lodged in the minds of their base that it effectively villifies their intended targets such as Hillary and Rice.

All of the Benghazi inquiries were just political stunts to tar and feather their opponents, not actual fact finding missions. It was always done to marginalize the Clintonite faction in the minds of voters, nothing more. It worked.

The installation of the What About Hillary meme in the minds of Americans is the greatest success story of 21st Century mind control operations.

what you are describing is just how politics works these days, it's more of an admission that they ran a better campaign

I don't think anyone who bought the Benghazi thing was ever going to vote for Hillary anyway.

That is to say, I don't think Benghazi proved to be an effective point of attack for the GOP. Hillary was uniquely hated on her own without their help.

I don't think resurrecting Benghazi would be harmful to Biden. Nobody cared the first time around.

I agree. I don't think it was ever a serious issue outside of the GOP base

[GONYK]

Looks like it's on for at least 3 and possibly 4 debates.

Thoughts?

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-will-debate-trump-scheduled-jill-biden-says-dismisses-democrats-urging-him-not-1522824



https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/04/trump-biden-debates-calendar-391503

I'll be shocked if Biden debates Trump. That dude B losin his mind.
Watch the last few seconds and not the topic and note what Biden said to this man.

Read on Twitter

What a joke if you think that makes a case for anything.

Trump's inability to read and pronouce simple words and phrases is now legendary. If the guy can barely read from a script you don't have a case for his ability to debate.

Trump is illiterate and a m@r@n

Here, feast on some of Trump's pronounciation gaffes. Enjoy your great leader's idiocy

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Bernie is mentally sharper than the both of them, and Biden held his ground in their 1-on-1 debate.

Trump can barely read

[Clyde_Style]

What is effective is the ability of the GOP agit prop machine to instill keywords into reptile brains to trigger mouth foaming anger.

That's the whole point of repeated failed Benghazi investigations. The point was never to succeed in nailing a perpetrator of some fabricated crime. The point is to keep repeating the accusations until it is so deeply lodged in the minds of their base that it effectively villifies their intended targets such as Hillary and Rice.

All of the Benghazi inquiries were just political stunts to tar and feather their opponents, not actual fact finding missions. It was always done to marginalize the Clintonite faction in the minds of voters, nothing more. It worked.

The installation of the What About Hillary meme in the minds of Americans is the greatest success story of 21st Century mind control operations.

what you are describing is just how politics works these days, it's more of an admission that they ran a better campaign

I don't think anyone who bought the Benghazi thing was ever going to vote for Hillary anyway.

That is to say, I don't think Benghazi proved to be an effective point of attack for the GOP. Hillary was uniquely hated on her own without their help.

I don't think resurrecting Benghazi would be harmful to Biden. Nobody cared the first time around.

Perhaps, but I'd say that is because that work is already done and the effect desired was achieved.

Hillary hatred was a construction by oppo forces that knew how to leverage American misogyny. That she lacked the common touch made her the perfect target. It is easy to say Hillary is a bitch and thus easy to hate. What happened to her was not solely attributable to her character and her behavior alone. She was the target of a thirty year campaign that started with her husband and then slide right over to her once her ambitions started manifesting as a Senator. By the time she was running for president, there was two decades of hate mongering invested in the Clintons and the GOP was not going to let it go to waste. The villification of Hillary cannot simply be laid at the feet of Hillary.

[HarthorneWingo]

Yep. Don’t go after Kamala. I love these little walks down Memory Lane.

Watch on YouTube

[GONYK]

what you are describing is just how politics works these days, it's more of an admission that they ran a better campaign

I don't think anyone who bought the Benghazi thing was ever going to vote for Hillary anyway.

That is to say, I don't think Benghazi proved to be an effective point of attack for the GOP. Hillary was uniquely hated on her own without their help.

I don't think resurrecting Benghazi would be harmful to Biden. Nobody cared the first time around.

Perhaps, but I'd say that is because that work is already done and the effect desired was achieved.

Hillary hatred was a construction by oppo forces that knew how to leverage American misogyny. That she lacked the common touch made her the perfect target. It is easy to say Hillary is a bitch and thus easy to hate. What happened to her was not solely attributable to her character and her behavior alone. She was the target of a thirty year campaign that started with her husband and then slide right over to her once her ambitions started manifesting as a Senator. By the time she was running for president, there was two decades of hate mongering invested in the Clintons and the GOP was not going to let it go to waste. The villification of Hillary cannot simply be laid at the feet of Hillary.

Totally agreed, but that is not the case with Biden.

So, he shouldn't shy away from Rice simply because of Benghazi.

[GONYK]

Yep. Don’t go after Kamala. I love these little walks down Memory Lane.

Watch on YouTube

Tulsi napalmed her

Harris is a good debater though. Her and Booker were consistently strong performers. They just never caught traction for reasons outside of their debate performances.

I think that more or less disproves the notion that elections really hang on debates.

[Clyde_Style]

I'll be shocked if Biden debates Trump. That dude B losin his mind.
Watch the last few seconds and not the topic and note what Biden said to this man.

Read on Twitter

What a joke if you think that makes a case for anything.

Trump's inability to read and pronouce simple words and phrases is now legendary. If the guy can barely read from a script you don't have a case for his ability to debate.

Trump is illiterate and a m@r@n

Here, feast on some of Trump's pronounciation gaffes. Enjoy your great leader's idiocy

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Bernie is mentally sharper than the both of them, and Biden held his ground in their 1-on-1 debate.

Trump can barely read

Yeah, Trump is an imbecile

And Biden won SC and the primaries coming off the primary debate most conceded he had won.

Joe's prickly side can work for him and against him. Sometimes it is less advantageous in interview settings, but in debates it basically a plus, especially if you're going up against an illiterate savage like Trump.

If Americans have demonstrated anything in the last four years it is that bluntness may now be an asset. And smart blunt will beat dumb blunt this time around on a debate stage.

Further, nobody was saying Trump did well in his primary debates or against Hillary. He did not win because of his debates which were pathetic performances. So thinking he'll get an edge debating now after four years of his brain turning to mush is pretty ridiculous. But leave it to Trumpers to brag about biblical beat downs and stupid bluster like that.

[Clyde_Style]

Yep. Don’t go after Kamala. I love these little walks down Memory Lane.

Watch on YouTube

Tulsi napalmed her

Harris is a good debater though. Her and Booker were consistently strong performers. They just never caught traction for reasons outside of their debate performances.

I think that more or less disproves the notion that elections really hang on debates.

Oh FFS, Tulis does her typical opportunist dance and gaslights Harris who throws the accusations back in Gabbard's face. Who ethered who?

[Clyde_Style]

I don't think anyone who bought the Benghazi thing was ever going to vote for Hillary anyway.

That is to say, I don't think Benghazi proved to be an effective point of attack for the GOP. Hillary was uniquely hated on her own without their help.

I don't think resurrecting Benghazi would be harmful to Biden. Nobody cared the first time around.

Perhaps, but I'd say that is because that work is already done and the effect desired was achieved.

Hillary hatred was a construction by oppo forces that knew how to leverage American misogyny. That she lacked the common touch made her the perfect target. It is easy to say Hillary is a bitch and thus easy to hate. What happened to her was not solely attributable to her character and her behavior alone. She was the target of a thirty year campaign that started with her husband and then slide right over to her once her ambitions started manifesting as a Senator. By the time she was running for president, there was two decades of hate mongering invested in the Clintons and the GOP was not going to let it go to waste. The villification of Hillary cannot simply be laid at the feet of Hillary.

Totally agreed, but that is not the case with Biden.

So, he shouldn't shy away from Rice simply because of Benghazi.

Fair enough.

I'd need to see Rice in action to feel confident, but I guess I'll only find that out after the fact if Biden chooses her.

By other accounts, Rice is a sharp person with the mental faculties to handle her duties. I just don't know what her political chops and leadership abilities would be.

We'll know shortly though if it is her

[GONYK]

Yep. Don’t go after Kamala. I love these little walks down Memory Lane.

Watch on YouTube

Tulsi napalmed her

Harris is a good debater though. Her and Booker were consistently strong performers. They just never caught traction for reasons outside of their debate performances.

I think that more or less disproves the notion that elections really hang on debates.

Oh FFS, Tulis does her typical opportunist dance and gaslights Harris who throws the accusations back in Gabbard's face. Who ethered who?

Well, regardless of how you feel about Tulsi (I have nothing really positive to say about her and I agree that she's a blatant opportunist), that exchange essentially ended the Harris campaign. It was one of the true inflection points of the early Primary season.

[Clyde_Style]

Yep. Don’t go after Kamala. I love these little walks down Memory Lane.

Watch on YouTube

Tulsi napalmed her

Harris is a good debater though. Her and Booker were consistently strong performers. They just never caught traction for reasons outside of their debate performances.

I think that more or less disproves the notion that elections really hang on debates.

I don't expect this election to pivot on these debates either (if they happen; I still think Trump may bail)

My premise is you have four quadrants: Biden Up/Down and Trump Up/Down and the only area I think would show real movement is Trump down because the odds of Trump short circuiting on stage is more likely than Biden doing so. I don't think either will gain too much via persuasion so it is mostly about what each could lose via debate.

Tangentially, Trump's agitation against mail-in voting is going to hurt him since his base is older and elderly voters have more reason to worry about voting in public during a pandemic. Trump actually needs mail-in voting advantages to win and somehow he fails to grasp this.

So, back to the debates, if Trump loses anything from the debates IMO it is likely just going to people not voting, just saying whatever and sitting this one out. Biden voters will vote even if the seven horsemen are in their way, but there will be some Trump voters who just crap out and don't vote. I think that is the contingent that will mostly be affected by Trump crapping the bed during debates. He could suffer a small, but significant net loss of people not voting even if it doesn't result in Biden having a gain in additional swing votes.

I think Trump's downside from debates is greater than Biden's.

[Clyde_Style]

Tulsi napalmed her

Harris is a good debater though. Her and Booker were consistently strong performers. They just never caught traction for reasons outside of their debate performances.

I think that more or less disproves the notion that elections really hang on debates.

Oh FFS, Tulis does her typical opportunist dance and gaslights Harris who throws the accusations back in Gabbard's face. Who ethered who?

Well, regardless of how you feel about Tulsi (I have nothing really positive to say about her and I agree that she's a blatant opportunist), that exchange essentially ended the Harris campaign. It was one of the true inflection points of the early Primary season.

Those are the vagaries of perception and why handicapping anything is subject to mass psychology. Harris was attacked and labeled even though she handled herself perfectly fine, but if that is what truly sunk her then it just goes to show you can be an amoral POS like Tulsi and effectively derail campaigns at times. I don't think you can chalk up that one exchange to the end of Harris' campaign though. It is a complex set of variables when you have so many candidates vying for supremacy, though admittedly any one thing can be a tipping point that pushes the other variables along.

[robillionaire]

Harris wasn't that good of a debater. Well, I will say she is pretty good when she is the one on the attack, on biden and his past for example. She had one solid performance. But once the spotlight turned to her own record it was clear she had no valid defense for any of it. Biden hit her on it too. IIRC after that debate they gave her another chance to defend her record and she pivoted to attacking Gabbard on Assad and never really addressed it. For a minute they had portrayed her as a front runner and it went downhill really fast. I would prefer Biden not select Harris. I just find her to be dishonest

[Clyde_Style]

Harris wasn't that good of a debater. Well, I will say she is pretty good when she is the one on the attack, on biden and his past for example. She had one solid performance. But once the spotlight turned to her own record it was clear she had no valid defense for any of it. Biden hit her on it too. IIRC after that debate they gave her another chance to defend her record and she pivoted to attacking Gabbard on Assad and never really addressed it. For a minute they had portrayed her as a front runner and it went downhill really fast. I would prefer Biden not select Harris. I just find her to be dishonest

Is she dishonest?

Or you don't like her demeanor or debate tactics?

I will say her prosecutorial approach is most effective during legislative proceedings when she is grilling her opponents more so than during debates.