2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I think contractually, That Gordon's declining contract would be very tempting to Sarver with interest in cap reduction cost as well as the complimentary implications towards Ayton and Bridges extensions. I'm curious though, Do you ( Bwgood) think Gordon has solid potential as a 4/5 option situationally for us ( some instances of uptempo small ball lineups) given his elite athleticism?

I really don't think we should be looking at Gordon at all. Dude's the second-best player on his team currently, but I can't imagine we would start him, given the extraordinary value Cam Johnson gives our starting lineup by opening up the floor. I think Cam's already more valuable than Gordon due to his gravity. Not to mention the pretty impressive job he did guarding Kawhi last night... pretty incredible, actually, since no one predicted he would be a decent defender coming out of college.

Cam has been a nice surprise, and is a hell of a shooter and nice player, but he's not nearly as good as Gordon and they are both 24. We have a pretty limited sample size too. I like him as a starter based on our current players, but think he's probably long term a very solid role player off the bench if we are a solid team. Gordon only has two years left on his contract too, so if for some reason it wasn't a great fit, it wouldn't be some long term commitment.

I mean, I'm against bringing Oubre back if we can get decent value, because I think he's lost his spot in the rotation. Gordon may be somewhat better (especially if he can continue the hot shooting). But it doesn't solve my problem - at least not in an obvious way. I guess....... I can maybe see Gordon fitting in by allowing Bridges to slide to the 2 more often, due to Gordon's playmaking abilities. I hadn't really thought about that. If Gordon can continue to shoot like he is currently, then sure, I'd start him over Cam.

You keep bringing me back to the table on Aaron Gordon... I guess I'd be in at the cost of a 10 for 16 pick swap.

Cam won't start when/if Oubre is back. And Rubio is pretty damn important at leading our team. He needs to start.

Rubio has been terrific in the bubble. And you might be right about Oubre starting, but I truly do think Cam's the better fit with the other starters.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I really don't think we should be looking at Gordon at all. Dude's the second-best player on his team currently, but I can't imagine we would start him, given the extraordinary value Cam Johnson gives our starting lineup by opening up the floor. I think Cam's already more valuable than Gordon due to his gravity. Not to mention the pretty impressive job he did guarding Kawhi last night... pretty incredible, actually, since no one predicted he would be a decent defender coming out of college.

I say this, even though I am a fan of the idea of using Gordon in a more versatile defensive uyility role, kind of like a bigger more athletic Draymond Green type role, in a uptempo small ball offense. I wonder IF considering the likelihood of Orlando prioritizing draft assets and a possible rebuild scenario, IF we could give them the 10th pick for Gordon, Keep Oubre in an offensive role at the 3, Bridges at the 2, Booker at the point. And for now have Cam come off the bench as our 6th man (flamethrower) scoring role, And also Have Rubio stabilizing the bench? Could Booker actually handle the role of starting point guard full time?

Gordon for 10 is not unreasonable, but what salary would come back?

That's a great question. I believe we'd have to renounce all of Saric/ Baynes/ Kaminskys' (team option)/ Diallo/ Okobo/ And perhaps Carter to get to the 18 million needed for us to be able to absorb Gordon into space??? But I'm not completely certain on this? We could send back Kaminsky ( team option) Jerome perhaps with the pick to offset some of the incoming salary, But would you guys really want those pieces and salary, Although relatively minuscule coming back in a rebuilding situation? Or maybe you'd just prefer the pick and additional cap space towards 2021 free agency? I suppose I would ask nicely for the 2nd round pick ( 45)? Additionally, With interest in using it ( since we'd have no available cap space left, To address our backup 5 options with one of Zeke Nnaji ( if he falls, Nik Richards, Or Austin Wiley?

Then use our taxpayer midlevel exception for a backup guard option?

[bigfoot]

Gordon has something inside of him conducive to losing that cannot even be called basketball IQ.

There was a play where he got called for an offensive foul, I think, when there was 1 minute left and his team needed a bucket. He turned it over, demanded the ball, and committed the exact same thing for another turnover.

His intangibles are the opposite of players like Bridges, Ginobli, Kawhi.

He loses games. That's what he does. He lets his weaknesses define his impact on the court and doesn't work hard enough on the things he is good at.

But he gets up SO HIGH!

Watch on YouTube

I'm definitely not on-board with Gordon. I don't believe he brings more value than Oubre

http://bkref.com/tiny/LjbD9

Oubre off the bench in a sparkplug/microwave role is what I believe we need. Oubre, Cam Payne, Saric, Baynes, and some yet to be determined shooting guard would be an awesome bench.

[NapoleonII]

Gordon has something inside of him conducive to losing that cannot even be called basketball IQ.

There was a play where he got called for an offensive foul, I think, when there was 1 minute left and his team needed a bucket. He turned it over, demanded the ball, and committed the exact same thing for another turnover.

His intangibles are the opposite of players like Bridges, Ginobli, Kawhi.

He loses games. That's what he does. He lets his weaknesses define his impact on the court and doesn't work hard enough on the things he is good at.

But he gets up SO HIGH!

Watch on YouTube

I'm definitely not on-board with Gordon. I don't believe he brings more value than Oubre

http://bkref.com/tiny/LjbD9

Oubre off the bench in a sparkplug/microwave role is what I believe we need. Oubre, Cam Payne, Saric, Baynes, and some yet to be determined shooting guard would be an awesome bench.

I agree. I get that Gordon MIGHT look better here with Rubio/Booker/Ayton but that's not a guarantee. There's a lot of ballhandlers/shooters on Orlando (selfish gunners) but he doesn't look great to me in the things that he does.

We need guys who know they are not stars. Who will do the dirty work, defend, and do their jobs instead of trying to become a max player or all-star.

[nevetsov]

Or if Oubre is not in it, would something around Bridges work? Do Suns fans value Bridges over Oubre?

Most Suns fans value Bridges as untouchable, and he's definitely more valuable to us than Oubre, if not for his defensive role playing presence alongside Book, then for his rookie deal for another 2 years (in line with Ayton).

I might be in the minority, and I don't think it works timeline wise (with the draft being before the PO deadline for Fournier) but if Fournier picks up his PO, I'd trade Oubre for him and your pick (or 2021 lightly protected / pick swap, so we can chase a PG). I'd include Okobo for salary matching.

Rubio, Payne, Carter
Booker, Fournier, Jerome
Bridges, Fournier, #10
Johnson, Saric, Kaminsky
Ayton, Baynes, Kaminsky

I think Evan could play on the wing alongside either Book or Bridges in a three man rotation.

For orlando:

Fultz, MCW
Ross, Okobo
Oubre, Ennis
Gordon, Aminu
Vujevic, Bamba

Magic get younger without getting worse. Oubre and maybe even Okobo are good young pieces with their best years ahead of them.

[phx#7]

I really don't think we should be looking at Gordon at all. Dude's the second-best player on his team currently, but I can't imagine we would start him, given the extraordinary value Cam Johnson gives our starting lineup by opening up the floor. I think Cam's already more valuable than Gordon due to his gravity. Not to mention the pretty impressive job he did guarding Kawhi last night... pretty incredible, actually, since no one predicted he would be a decent defender coming out of college.

I say this, even though I am a fan of the idea of using Gordon in a more versatile defensive uyility role, kind of like a bigger more athletic Draymond Green type role, in a uptempo small ball offense. I wonder IF considering the likelihood of Orlando prioritizing draft assets and a possible rebuild scenario, IF we could give them the 10th pick for Gordon, Keep Oubre in an offensive role at the 3, Bridges at the 2, Booker at the point. And for now have Cam come off the bench as our 6th man (flamethrower) scoring role, And also Have Rubio stabilizing the bench? Could Booker actually handle the role of starting point guard full time?

Gordon for 10 is not unreasonable, but what salary would come back?

Or if Oubre is not in it, would something around Bridges work? Do Suns fans value Bridges over Oubre?

Bridges is just behind Booker an Ayton in terms of value to most if not all Suns fans. It would take a massive haul for us to be happy with any trade involving him.

I personally would welcome a swap of Oubre and Gordon. I like Oubre but he is not long for this team with this price tag and the emergence of Cam and Mikal.

Gordon's ability to defend the front court and playmaking ability is more of what the Suns need imo. And if he ever did manage a reliable 3pt shot he'd be pretty much be the ideal front court partner to Ayton.

[Skin]

Or if Oubre is not in it, would something around Bridges work? Do Suns fans value Bridges over Oubre?

Most Suns fans value Bridges as untouchable, and he's definitely more valuable to us than Oubre, if not for his defensive role playing presence alongside Book, then for his rookie deal for another 2 years (in line with Ayton).

I might be in the minority, and I don't think it works timeline wise (with the draft being before the PO deadline for Fournier) but if Fournier picks up his PO, I'd trade Oubre for him and your pick (or 2021 lightly protected / pick swap, so we can chase a PG). I'd include Okobo for salary matching.

Rubio, Payne, Carter
Booker, Fournier, Jerome
Bridges, Fournier, #10
Johnson, Saric, Kaminsky
Ayton, Baynes, Kaminsky

I think Evan could play on the wing alongside either Book or Bridges in a three man rotation.

For orlando:

Fultz, MCW
Ross, Okobo
Oubre, Ennis
Gordon, Aminu
Vujevic, Bamba

Magic get younger without getting worse. Oubre and maybe even Okobo are good young pieces with their best years ahead of them.

Well I can't see the Magic giving up their pick + Fournier in order to get Oubre. Fournier for Oubre straight up, sure. But adding our 1st round pick is an overpay because the Magic would just likely be Oubre's highest bidder come FA. Our FO has already stated interest in him and they LOVE guys with long wingspans. There are not many other guys in the NBA that fit what they look for based on positional need, age, and his 7'3 wingspan for a wing player.

I think there is legit interest on both sides to get something done. The one holdback is Isaac's injury and how that might affect the way the Magic may want to keep Gordon now. But there was a lot of interest in the past.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2020/3/6/21168248/suns-made-a-late-push-for-aaron-gordon-at-trade-deadline
https://clutchpoints.com/suns-news-phoenix-tried-to-trade-for-magics-aaron-gordon-before-deadline/
https://valleyofthesuns.com/2020/03/06/phoenix-suns-tried-to-make-trade-for-aaron-gordon-yet-failed-again/

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-trade-rumors-magic-others-pursuing-kelly-oubre-trade-deal/
https://hoopshype.com/rumor/magic-made-pitch-for-kelly-oubre/
https://www.inquisitr.com/5993627/aaron-gordon-suns/
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/02/suns-taking-calls-about-kelly-oubre.html

[Ghost of Kleine]

Or if Oubre is not in it, would something around Bridges work? Do Suns fans value Bridges over Oubre?

Most Suns fans value Bridges as untouchable, and he's definitely more valuable to us than Oubre, if not for his defensive role playing presence alongside Book, then for his rookie deal for another 2 years (in line with Ayton).

I might be in the minority, and I don't think it works timeline wise (with the draft being before the PO deadline for Fournier) but if Fournier picks up his PO, I'd trade Oubre for him and your pick (or 2021 lightly protected / pick swap, so we can chase a PG). I'd include Okobo for salary matching.

Rubio, Payne, Carter
Booker, Fournier, Jerome
Bridges, Fournier, #10
Johnson, Saric, Kaminsky
Ayton, Baynes, Kaminsky

I think Evan could play on the wing alongside either Book or Bridges in a three man rotation.

For orlando:

Fultz, MCW
Ross, Okobo
Oubre, Ennis
Gordon, Aminu
Vujevic, Bamba

Magic get younger without getting worse. Oubre and maybe even Okobo are good young pieces with their best years ahead of them.

Well I can't see the Magic giving up their pick + Fournier in order to get Oubre. Fournier for Oubre straight up, sure. But adding our 1st round pick is an overpay because the Magic would just likely be Oubre's highest bidder come FA. Our FO has already stated interest in him and they LOVE guys with long wingspans. There are not many other guys in the NBA that fit what they look for based on positional need, age, and his 7'3 wingspan for a wing player.

I think there is legit interest on both sides to get something done. The one holdback is Isaac's injury and how that might affect the way the Magic may want to keep Gordon now. But there was a lot of interest in the past.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2020/3/6/21168248/suns-made-a-late-push-for-aaron-gordon-at-trade-deadline
https://clutchpoints.com/suns-news-phoenix-tried-to-trade-for-magics-aaron-gordon-before-deadline/
https://valleyofthesuns.com/2020/03/06/phoenix-suns-tried-to-make-trade-for-aaron-gordon-yet-failed-again/

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-trade-rumors-magic-others-pursuing-kelly-oubre-trade-deal/
https://hoopshype.com/rumor/magic-made-pitch-for-kelly-oubre/
https://www.inquisitr.com/5993627/aaron-gordon-suns/
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/02/suns-taking-calls-about-kelly-oubre.html

About how much do you guys anticipate yourselves to have available for a bid in 2021? And what is your top amount that you're willing to offer for Oubre in free agency. Or even what type of offers to you anticipate interested teams to bid for him in 2021 from what he's shown so far?

[bigfoot]

Most Suns fans value Bridges as untouchable, and he's definitely more valuable to us than Oubre, if not for his defensive role playing presence alongside Book, then for his rookie deal for another 2 years (in line with Ayton).

I might be in the minority, and I don't think it works timeline wise (with the draft being before the PO deadline for Fournier) but if Fournier picks up his PO, I'd trade Oubre for him and your pick (or 2021 lightly protected / pick swap, so we can chase a PG). I'd include Okobo for salary matching.

Rubio, Payne, Carter
Booker, Fournier, Jerome
Bridges, Fournier, #10
Johnson, Saric, Kaminsky
Ayton, Baynes, Kaminsky

I think Evan could play on the wing alongside either Book or Bridges in a three man rotation.

For orlando:

Fultz, MCW
Ross, Okobo
Oubre, Ennis
Gordon, Aminu
Vujevic, Bamba

Magic get younger without getting worse. Oubre and maybe even Okobo are good young pieces with their best years ahead of them.

Well I can't see the Magic giving up their pick + Fournier in order to get Oubre. Fournier for Oubre straight up, sure. But adding our 1st round pick is an overpay because the Magic would just likely be Oubre's highest bidder come FA. Our FO has already stated interest in him and they LOVE guys with long wingspans. There are not many other guys in the NBA that fit what they look for based on positional need, age, and his 7'3 wingspan for a wing player.

I think there is legit interest on both sides to get something done. The one holdback is Isaac's injury and how that might affect the way the Magic may want to keep Gordon now. But there was a lot of interest in the past.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2020/3/6/21168248/suns-made-a-late-push-for-aaron-gordon-at-trade-deadline
https://clutchpoints.com/suns-news-phoenix-tried-to-trade-for-magics-aaron-gordon-before-deadline/
https://valleyofthesuns.com/2020/03/06/phoenix-suns-tried-to-make-trade-for-aaron-gordon-yet-failed-again/

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-trade-rumors-magic-others-pursuing-kelly-oubre-trade-deal/
https://hoopshype.com/rumor/magic-made-pitch-for-kelly-oubre/
https://www.inquisitr.com/5993627/aaron-gordon-suns/
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/02/suns-taking-calls-about-kelly-oubre.html

About how much do you guys anticipate yourselves to have available for a bid in 2021? And what is your top amount that you're willing to offer for Oubre in free agency. Or even what type of offers to you anticipate interested teams to bid for him in 2021 from what he's shown so far?

What type of offers could he receive ... well imagine the salary of players who have similar per game stats (>17pts and >5rbds). This might give you an idea ... http://bkref.com/tiny/Dj5Yl

[Skin]

Most Suns fans value Bridges as untouchable, and he's definitely more valuable to us than Oubre, if not for his defensive role playing presence alongside Book, then for his rookie deal for another 2 years (in line with Ayton).

I might be in the minority, and I don't think it works timeline wise (with the draft being before the PO deadline for Fournier) but if Fournier picks up his PO, I'd trade Oubre for him and your pick (or 2021 lightly protected / pick swap, so we can chase a PG). I'd include Okobo for salary matching.

Rubio, Payne, Carter
Booker, Fournier, Jerome
Bridges, Fournier, #10
Johnson, Saric, Kaminsky
Ayton, Baynes, Kaminsky

I think Evan could play on the wing alongside either Book or Bridges in a three man rotation.

For orlando:

Fultz, MCW
Ross, Okobo
Oubre, Ennis
Gordon, Aminu
Vujevic, Bamba

Magic get younger without getting worse. Oubre and maybe even Okobo are good young pieces with their best years ahead of them.

Well I can't see the Magic giving up their pick + Fournier in order to get Oubre. Fournier for Oubre straight up, sure. But adding our 1st round pick is an overpay because the Magic would just likely be Oubre's highest bidder come FA. Our FO has already stated interest in him and they LOVE guys with long wingspans. There are not many other guys in the NBA that fit what they look for based on positional need, age, and his 7'3 wingspan for a wing player.

I think there is legit interest on both sides to get something done. The one holdback is Isaac's injury and how that might affect the way the Magic may want to keep Gordon now. But there was a lot of interest in the past.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2020/3/6/21168248/suns-made-a-late-push-for-aaron-gordon-at-trade-deadline
https://clutchpoints.com/suns-news-phoenix-tried-to-trade-for-magics-aaron-gordon-before-deadline/
https://valleyofthesuns.com/2020/03/06/phoenix-suns-tried-to-make-trade-for-aaron-gordon-yet-failed-again/

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-trade-rumors-magic-others-pursuing-kelly-oubre-trade-deal/
https://hoopshype.com/rumor/magic-made-pitch-for-kelly-oubre/
https://www.inquisitr.com/5993627/aaron-gordon-suns/
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/02/suns-taking-calls-about-kelly-oubre.html

About how much do you guys anticipate yourselves to have available for a bid in 2021? And what is your top amount that you're willing to offer for Oubre in free agency. Or even what type of offers to you anticipate interested teams to bid for him in 2021 from what he's shown so far?

I think he's a $20‐22M per year guy. The Magic are lead by some good but not great veterans.... Augustin, Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic mainly. Augustin is a FA. Fournier is a FA with a PO. Swole Bamba has bulked up but should be more comfortable with his body next season... pushing Vuc on the trade block. I'd say our cap situation is fluid, but moves need to happen this off-season... thus the interest in trade talk.

They are probably willing to give up a variety of packages for Oubre, but I can't imagine giving up our 1st, unless it's a swap of 1sts where we are moving up to your spot.

Gordon+15+Fournier or Ross for Oubre+10+matching salary could be something.

[NapoleonII]

We just handled the all-in Ballmer Clippers a tough loss with Rubio and a bunch of 23-24 year olds and so many of you are on about trades and shaking up our roster?

Watch the cap, develop our guys and win 40+ games next year.

These are the most hopeful days of being a Suns fan in 10+ years. I know it feels strange, but try not to overthink it.

No to ALL these Orlando trades.

[nevetsov]

They are probably willing to give up a variety of packages for Oubre, but I can't imagine giving up our 1st, unless it's a swap of 1sts where we are moving up to your spot.

Gordon+15+Fournier or Ross for Oubre+10+matching salary could be something.

I don't think we have enough dead salary to dump in a deal to counteract us giving up both the best asset, and a top 10 pick which we value for a guy like Vassell.

I might consider the Oubre-for-Fournier with a pick swap option next year, given that our main need in 2021 will be a PG of the future, and apparently next year's class is loaded with them. I project us to be a playoff team next season (16-18 pick) and Orlando to be borderline (14-16). Given the Magic have Fultz, I don't see them prioritising a high pick in a PG heavy draft, so maybe this is an option?

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Well I can't see the Magic giving up their pick + Fournier in order to get Oubre. Fournier for Oubre straight up, sure. But adding our 1st round pick is an overpay because the Magic would just likely be Oubre's highest bidder come FA. Our FO has already stated interest in him and they LOVE guys with long wingspans. There are not many other guys in the NBA that fit what they look for based on positional need, age, and his 7'3 wingspan for a wing player.

I think there is legit interest on both sides to get something done. The one holdback is Isaac's injury and how that might affect the way the Magic may want to keep Gordon now. But there was a lot of interest in the past.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2020/3/6/21168248/suns-made-a-late-push-for-aaron-gordon-at-trade-deadline
https://clutchpoints.com/suns-news-phoenix-tried-to-trade-for-magics-aaron-gordon-before-deadline/
https://valleyofthesuns.com/2020/03/06/phoenix-suns-tried-to-make-trade-for-aaron-gordon-yet-failed-again/

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-trade-rumors-magic-others-pursuing-kelly-oubre-trade-deal/
https://hoopshype.com/rumor/magic-made-pitch-for-kelly-oubre/
https://www.inquisitr.com/5993627/aaron-gordon-suns/
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/02/suns-taking-calls-about-kelly-oubre.html

About how much do you guys anticipate yourselves to have available for a bid in 2021? And what is your top amount that you're willing to offer for Oubre in free agency. Or even what type of offers to you anticipate interested teams to bid for him in 2021 from what he's shown so far?

What type of offers could he receive ... well imagine the salary of players who have similar per game stats (>17pts and >5rbds). This might give you an idea ... http://bkref.com/tiny/Dj5Yl

Thanks Big!

So since Oubre is currently sitting at around 15 million, Randle at around 18 million, And both Hayward and Wiggins are at around 27 million, Then should the medium be around 22-24 million most likely? But of course could be driven up a bit by a market saturated with teams that would be able to bid somewhat generously?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Well I can't see the Magic giving up their pick + Fournier in order to get Oubre. Fournier for Oubre straight up, sure. But adding our 1st round pick is an overpay because the Magic would just likely be Oubre's highest bidder come FA. Our FO has already stated interest in him and they LOVE guys with long wingspans. There are not many other guys in the NBA that fit what they look for based on positional need, age, and his 7'3 wingspan for a wing player.

I think there is legit interest on both sides to get something done. The one holdback is Isaac's injury and how that might affect the way the Magic may want to keep Gordon now. But there was a lot of interest in the past.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2020/3/6/21168248/suns-made-a-late-push-for-aaron-gordon-at-trade-deadline
https://clutchpoints.com/suns-news-phoenix-tried-to-trade-for-magics-aaron-gordon-before-deadline/
https://valleyofthesuns.com/2020/03/06/phoenix-suns-tried-to-make-trade-for-aaron-gordon-yet-failed-again/

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-trade-rumors-magic-others-pursuing-kelly-oubre-trade-deal/
https://hoopshype.com/rumor/magic-made-pitch-for-kelly-oubre/
https://www.inquisitr.com/5993627/aaron-gordon-suns/
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/02/suns-taking-calls-about-kelly-oubre.html

About how much do you guys anticipate yourselves to have available for a bid in 2021? And what is your top amount that you're willing to offer for Oubre in free agency. Or even what type of offers to you anticipate interested teams to bid for him in 2021 from what he's shown so far?

I think he's a $20‐22M per year guy. The Magic are lead by some good but not great veterans.... Augustin, Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic mainly. Augustin is a FA. Fournier is a FA with a PO. Swole Bamba has bulked up but should be more comfortable with his body next season... pushing Vuc on the trade block. I'd say our cap situation is fluid, but moves need to happen this off-season... thus the interest in trade talk.

They are probably willing to give up a variety of packages for Oubre, but I can't imagine giving up our 1st, unless it's a swap of 1sts where we are moving up to your spot.

Gordon+15+Fournier or Ross for Oubre+10+matching salary could be something.

Thanks man! Definitely interesting considerations coming this offseason.

[Skin]

They are probably willing to give up a variety of packages for Oubre, but I can't imagine giving up our 1st, unless it's a swap of 1sts where we are moving up to your spot.

Gordon+15+Fournier or Ross for Oubre+10+matching salary could be something.

I don't think we have enough dead salary to dump in a deal to counteract us giving up both the best asset, and a top 10 pick which we value for a guy like Vassell.

I might consider the Oubre-for-Fournier with a pick swap option next year, given that our main need in 2021 will be a PG of the future, and apparently next year's class is loaded with them. I project us to be a playoff team next season (16-18 pick) and Orlando to be borderline (14-16). Given the Magic have Fultz, I don't see them prioritising a high pick in a PG heavy draft, so maybe this is an option?

Yeah, an Oubre/Fournier trade with a pick swap in 2021 gets a thumbs up for me.

[bwgood77]

But he gets up SO HIGH!

I'm definitely not on-board with Gordon. I don't believe he brings more value than Oubre

http://bkref.com/tiny/LjbD9

Oubre off the bench in a sparkplug/microwave role is what I believe we need. Oubre, Cam Payne, Saric, Baynes, and some yet to be determined shooting guard would be an awesome bench.

I agree. I get that Gordon MIGHT look better here with Rubio/Booker/Ayton but that's not a guarantee. There's a lot of ballhandlers/shooters on Orlando (selfish gunners) but he doesn't look great to me in the things that he does.

We need guys who know they are not stars. Who will do the dirty work, defend, and do their jobs instead of trying to become a max player or all-star.

I agree, but Oubre views himself as a star, and he is going to want to get paid a lot. How much are you willing to pay him? Will you pay him more than you will pay Bridges in 2 years? And make no mistake, Bridges will continue to improve at a rapid rate and plays team ball and is an elite defender.

We simply cannot afford with Sarver to pay 4 guys close or more than $20 million a year...Booker I think will hit $30 my then. Gordon expires then...and the thing is, if we are in the playoffs and ready to contend to get to the 2nd round and Gordon is a part, I think we would pay him. But we would have to pay Oubre next summer...and Bridges and arguably Cam are already better if you value efficiency, passing, unselfish play and smart defense.

[bwgood77]

Or if Oubre is not in it, would something around Bridges work? Do Suns fans value Bridges over Oubre?

Most Suns fans value Bridges as untouchable, and he's definitely more valuable to us than Oubre, if not for his defensive role playing presence alongside Book, then for his rookie deal for another 2 years (in line with Ayton).

I might be in the minority, and I don't think it works timeline wise (with the draft being before the PO deadline for Fournier) but if Fournier picks up his PO, I'd trade Oubre for him and your pick (or 2021 lightly protected / pick swap, so we can chase a PG). I'd include Okobo for salary matching.

Rubio, Payne, Carter
Booker, Fournier, Jerome
Bridges, Fournier, #10
Johnson, Saric, Kaminsky
Ayton, Baynes, Kaminsky

I think Evan could play on the wing alongside either Book or Bridges in a three man rotation.

For orlando:

Fultz, MCW
Ross, Okobo
Oubre, Ennis
Gordon, Aminu
Vujevic, Bamba

Magic get younger without getting worse. Oubre and maybe even Okobo are good young pieces with their best years ahead of them.

I like Fournier and consider that, especially if we draft a PG, big or sell our pick.

[bwgood77]

I say this, even though I am a fan of the idea of using Gordon in a more versatile defensive uyility role, kind of like a bigger more athletic Draymond Green type role, in a uptempo small ball offense. I wonder IF considering the likelihood of Orlando prioritizing draft assets and a possible rebuild scenario, IF we could give them the 10th pick for Gordon, Keep Oubre in an offensive role at the 3, Bridges at the 2, Booker at the point. And for now have Cam come off the bench as our 6th man (flamethrower) scoring role, And also Have Rubio stabilizing the bench? Could Booker actually handle the role of starting point guard full time?

Gordon for 10 is not unreasonable, but what salary would come back?

Or if Oubre is not in it, would something around Bridges work? Do Suns fans value Bridges over Oubre?

Bridges is just behind Booker an Ayton in terms of value to most if not all Suns fans. It would take a massive haul for us to be happy with any trade involving him.

I personally would welcome a swap of Oubre and Gordon. I like Oubre but he is not long for this team with this price tag and the emergence of Cam and Mikal.

Gordon's ability to defend the front court and playmaking ability is more of what the Suns need imo. And if he ever did manage a reliable 3pt shot he'd be pretty much be the ideal front court partner to Ayton.

Gordon hit 35% last year, and I get the feeling the Suns work on 3 pointers the most, or at least the players do in their off time, with contests and just working on it, be it Ayton, Baynes, Booker, Cam, Bridges and all the PGs....get Gordon in that competition I think he improves and at least gets back to 35% which is fine..that's like 52.5% inside the arc overall...but if Ayton can stretch the floor he finishes at over 70% a the rim, as do Bridges and Booker. If Ayton stretches, we would have 3 guys who finish at a very high rate at the rim...but also can stretch the floor.

Oubre is at like 58%, which is pretty bad at the rim, but that is due to driving into heavy traffic...if he realized prime opportunities better, he might get better in that respect, but I think, to an extent, after 4-5 years in the league, you are who you are....especially when it comes to instincts. What I like most about Oubre is the energy, positivity and at times, clutch plays, but there are too many other things that won't allow paying a guy like that as a key player to allow us to get to where we want to be...we have to move the ball, take smart shots, and play smart defense to have a chance against the LA teams, Denver and and probably some other teams....well, like 7 or 8 of them.

I know in limited time our best lineup included Oubre, but I think it is better with Cam or someone with smarter play, and as a player with avg efficiency, avg defense off ball, and no passing or vision, and a lot of bad shots, he is not worth what he wants. Realistically, he is worth maybe $10-12 million. I would re-sign him at that if he would accept a bench role, but that's not going to happen.

[bwgood77]

About how much do you guys anticipate yourselves to have available for a bid in 2021? And what is your top amount that you're willing to offer for Oubre in free agency. Or even what type of offers to you anticipate interested teams to bid for him in 2021 from what he's shown so far?

What type of offers could he receive ... well imagine the salary of players who have similar per game stats (>17pts and >5rbds). This might give you an idea ... http://bkref.com/tiny/Dj5Yl

Thanks Big!

So since Oubre is currently sitting at around 15 million, Randle at around 18 million, And both Hayward and Wiggins are at around 27 million, Then should the medium be around 22-24 million most likely? But of course could be driven up a bit by a market saturated with teams that would be able to bid somewhat generously?

That is ridiculous, especially with the Covid stuff. Just because Randle and Wiggins are overpaid doesn't necessarily mean that is Oubre's market. Hayward deserved it when he signed, and at that time, he was in a different league than any of those guys.