Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[youngcrev]

Wiz fan coming in peace.

Would you guys ever consider a Beal for Embiid swap?

Horford/Simmons/Harris/Beal/Richardson would be nice

No. You could argue that the roster would fit better, but you don't trade your best player for the sake of fit (better fit does not mean better results). Embiid is a considerably better player than Beal.

Beal would be an amazing 3rd guy to have with Embiid and Simmons, but the Sixers have pissed away too many assets to make that happen. Unless you're willing to accept a package around Harris and a bunch of stuff (picks, Thybulle, Richardson, Shake, whatever).

I disagree here. Embiid is a superior player, yes. When healthy. And motivated. And in shape.

But Beal is exactly the prototype of a player you would want to pair Simmons with.

And the value of getting Beal plus other assets for Embiid is on point.

Its really a matter of whether you can say confidently that you see Embiid/Simmons winning a championship together or not.

I personally struggle to see that happening.

But I can see a Beal/Simmons duo winning it all.

I can say confidently that Embiid and Simmons have a much better shot at winning a title than Beal and Simmons. Embiid is a far better player than either of them.

[VDT]

Wiz fan coming in peace.

Would you guys ever consider a Beal for Embiid swap?

Horford/Simmons/Harris/Beal/Richardson would be nice

No. You could argue that the roster would fit better, but you don't trade your best player for the sake of fit (better fit does not mean better results). Embiid is a considerably better player than Beal.

Beal would be an amazing 3rd guy to have with Embiid and Simmons, but the Sixers have pissed away too many assets to make that happen. Unless you're willing to accept a package around Harris and a bunch of stuff (picks, Thybulle, Richardson, Shake, whatever).

I disagree here. Embiid is a superior player, yes. When healthy. And motivated. And in shape.

But Beal is exactly the prototype of a player you would want to pair Simmons with.

And the value of getting Beal plus other assets for Embiid is on point.

Its really a matter of whether you can say confidently that you see Embiid/Simmons winning a championship together or not.

I personally struggle to see that happening.

But I can see a Beal/Simmons duo winning it all.

You cant win with Beal as your go to scorer and as a result you cant win with Beal and Simmons. The team looks like a perennial second round exit unless Simmons somehow transforms to Lebron.

[51X3RF4N]

No. You could argue that the roster would fit better, but you don't trade your best player for the sake of fit (better fit does not mean better results). Embiid is a considerably better player than Beal.

Beal would be an amazing 3rd guy to have with Embiid and Simmons, but the Sixers have pissed away too many assets to make that happen. Unless you're willing to accept a package around Harris and a bunch of stuff (picks, Thybulle, Richardson, Shake, whatever).

I disagree here. Embiid is a superior player, yes. When healthy. And motivated. And in shape.

But Beal is exactly the prototype of a player you would want to pair Simmons with.

And the value of getting Beal plus other assets for Embiid is on point.

Its really a matter of whether you can say confidently that you see Embiid/Simmons winning a championship together or not.

I personally struggle to see that happening.

But I can see a Beal/Simmons duo winning it all.

You cant win with Beal as your go to scorer and as a result you cant win with Beal and Simmons. The team looks like a perennial second round exit unless Simmons somehow transforms to Lebron.

Wait...what are you basing your statement off that you can't win with Beal as your go to scorer?

Because the Sixers haven't won with Embiid as their go to scorer. And Beal is nearly as efficient at scoring the ball as Steph Curry. And in Kawhi's best 3 seasons of scoring, he was taking about the same amount of shots as Beal to average the same PPG.

Who else in the league would you prefer as your go to scorer that will propel this team to a championship? Tobias? Joel?

[VDT]

I disagree here. Embiid is a superior player, yes. When healthy. And motivated. And in shape.

But Beal is exactly the prototype of a player you would want to pair Simmons with.

And the value of getting Beal plus other assets for Embiid is on point.

Its really a matter of whether you can say confidently that you see Embiid/Simmons winning a championship together or not.

I personally struggle to see that happening.

But I can see a Beal/Simmons duo winning it all.

You cant win with Beal as your go to scorer and as a result you cant win with Beal and Simmons. The team looks like a perennial second round exit unless Simmons somehow transforms to Lebron.

Wait...what are you basing your statement off that you can't win with Beal as your go to scorer?

Because the Sixers haven't won with Embiid as their go to scorer. And Beal is nearly as efficient at scoring the ball as Steph Curry. And in Kawhi's best 3 seasons of scoring, he was taking about the same amount of shots as Beal to average the same PPG.

Who else in the league would you prefer as your go to scorer that will propel this team to a championship? Tobias? Joel?

Kawhi is a fair amount more efficient and Curry is quite a bit more efficient and both obviously are way more tested in the playoffs. Up to this point Beal hasnt shown anything other than that he can score a lot of points (and that's this year and perhaps the year before) on bad teams , like Booker, Lavine etc. Even on bad teams someone has to score the points, Morris was scoring almost 20ppg (6 more than any other year in his career and he is almost 31) with the Knicks (8.8 with the Clippers on 5 less minutes and terrible efficiency), simply for this reason. The same guy playing for the well coached Celtics was scoring 13.5ppg on less efficiency. You cant really extrapolate the scoring of these players on a good team with more pressure and playing against opponents that will gameplan against you, based on their scoring with lottery teams.

[youngcrev]

We've also seen Embiid score 27.5 on better efficiency for a considerably better team. It's not like Beal is a tier above him offensively, and that's not Embiid's most impactful side of the basketball court.

[Kobblehead]

If we trade him we oughta aim high! I’m starting to think that if his potential is real, he won’t realize on this team. Lillard is the dream scenario IMO. If Portland fails to make the playoffs I imagine they’ll at least entertain the idea.

Look at the back end of Lillard's contract, though.

Age 33: $47.2m
Age 34: $50.8m
Age 35: $54.3m

I think we ought to have a virtual confirmation from the league offices that an amnesty provision will be made available in the coming years before we take something like that on.

[ProcessDoctor]

If we trade him we oughta aim high! I’m starting to think that if his potential is real, he won’t realize on this team. Lillard is the dream scenario IMO. If Portland fails to make the playoffs I imagine they’ll at least entertain the idea.

Look at the back end of Lillard's contract, though.

Age 33: $47.2m
Age 34: $50.8m
Age 35: $54.3m

I think we ought to have a virtual confirmation from the league offices that an amnesty provision will be made available in the coming years before we take something like that on.

Given the type of player he is, I don’t think I’d let that hold me up. If he and Embiid play at a similar level over the next 4 years, I think we’d be all but guaranteed a chip. That alone would make it worth overpaying him In his latter years, but that’s just me.

[VDT]

He is 30 so there is no chance he will keep his level of play. His shooting will still be there but his ability to create shots will decline and his non existent defense will be even worse. His 50 mil salary and the shrinking cap will kill any team that trades for him.

In any case i dont see Portland trading him before the try one more time, since this year the suffered a lot of injuries.

[ProcessDoctor]

He is 30 so there is no chance he will keep his level of play. His shooting will still be there but his ability to create shots will decline and his non existent defense will be even worse. His 50 mil salary and the shrinking cap will kill any team that trades for him.

In any case i dont see Portland trading him before the try one more time, since this year the suffered a lot of injuries.

I think he’ll still be a top 15 player for the next 3-4 years. Look at players like Curry and CP3. I think he has a similarly high BBIQ as those guys.

That being said, this really boils down to one question: Over the next 4 years (what I consider Embiids championship window), who gives us a better chance to win, Simmons or Lillard?

[VDT]

He is 30 so there is no chance he will keep his level of play. His shooting will still be there but his ability to create shots will decline and his non existent defense will be even worse. His 50 mil salary and the shrinking cap will kill any team that trades for him.

In any case i dont see Portland trading him before the try one more time, since this year the suffered a lot of injuries.

I think he’ll still be a top 15 player for the next 3-4 years. Look at players like Curry and CP3. I think he has a similarly high BBIQ as those guys.

That being said, this really boils down to one question: Over the next 4 years (what I consider Embiids championship window), who gives us a better chance to win, Simmons or Lillard?

Paul has decline and Paul was never a volume score. Every player decline in his 30s, short guards usually decline faster. As Lillard slows down it will be more difficult for him to get off his shot or drive. Even if he keeps his level of play he will be overpaid, his age related decline will make that even worse and a future injury would instantly turn him into the worst contract.

Imo every team should stay away from these contracts for players in their 30s. Unless you are talking about an all time great, and even then its doubtful. These are contracts based on past achievements not on the expected level of play during the contract.

[ProcessDoctor]

He is 30 so there is no chance he will keep his level of play. His shooting will still be there but his ability to create shots will decline and his non existent defense will be even worse. His 50 mil salary and the shrinking cap will kill any team that trades for him.

In any case i dont see Portland trading him before the try one more time, since this year the suffered a lot of injuries.

I think he’ll still be a top 15 player for the next 3-4 years. Look at players like Curry and CP3. I think he has a similarly high BBIQ as those guys.

That being said, this really boils down to one question: Over the next 4 years (what I consider Embiids championship window), who gives us a better chance to win, Simmons or Lillard?

Paul has decline and Paul was never a volume score. Every player decline in his 30s, short guards usually decline faster. As Lillard slows down it will be more difficult for him to get off his shot or drive. Even if he keeps his level of play he will be overpaid, his age related decline will make that even worse and a future injury would instantly turn him into the worst contract.

Imo every team should stay away from these contracts for players in their 30s. Unless you are talking about an all time great, and even then its doubtful. These are contracts based on past achievements not on the expected level of play during the contract.

Contrary to popular perception, CP3 is still a very impactful player, evidenced by advanced metrics (6th in RPM, 14th in RAPTOR). That being said, I understand they have different playing styles and strengths.

In addition to CP3, Nash, Kidd, Curry, and Lowry are all examples of PGs who played/are playing very well into their mid-30s. It's obviously just a guess, but I'd wager that Lillard will fall into that group rather than the path of someone like Isaiah Thomas.

Regardless, zooming back out, the question is if Lillard gives us a better chance to win over the next 4 years than Simmons does. Maybe, maybe not? But, if the answer is yes, all the other stuff matters so much less. I guarantee if we won a chip with Lillard we wouldn't be complaining about having him for the last 2 years of his contract. Players get traded, bought out, etc.

[VDT]

I think he’ll still be a top 15 player for the next 3-4 years. Look at players like Curry and CP3. I think he has a similarly high BBIQ as those guys.

That being said, this really boils down to one question: Over the next 4 years (what I consider Embiids championship window), who gives us a better chance to win, Simmons or Lillard?

Paul has decline and Paul was never a volume score. Every player decline in his 30s, short guards usually decline faster. As Lillard slows down it will be more difficult for him to get off his shot or drive. Even if he keeps his level of play he will be overpaid, his age related decline will make that even worse and a future injury would instantly turn him into the worst contract.

Imo every team should stay away from these contracts for players in their 30s. Unless you are talking about an all time great, and even then its doubtful. These are contracts based on past achievements not on the expected level of play during the contract.

Contrary to popular perception, CP3 is still a very impactful player, evidenced by advanced metrics (6th in RPM, 14th in RAPTOR). That being said, I understand they have different playing styles and strengths.

In addition to CP3, Nash, Kidd, Curry, and Lowry are all examples of PGs who played/are playing very well into their mid-30s. It's obviously just a guess, but I'd wager that Lillard will fall into that group rather than the path of someone like Isaiah Thomas.

Regardless, zooming back out, the question is if Lillard gives us a better chance to win over the next 4 years than Simmons does. Maybe, maybe not? But, if the answer is yes, all the other stuff matters so much less. I guarantee if we won a chip with Lillard we wouldn't be complaining about having him for the last 2 years of his contract. Players get traded, bought out, etc.

Every player declines in his 30s. Some more some less, usually short guards fall into the more category. His shooting will stay which is a positive, but his scoring (which is Lillards calling card) and efficiency will take a hit.

With Simmons a lot depends on his development, which admittedly disappointing, but there is always a chance to trade him.

With a 32-33 old Lillard there is no such a chance and if we dont win in the first year or two the team is doomed.

It may have been different if we could get Lillard 2-3 years ago but getting him at 31 (Portland will surely run it back once more with a healthy roster before trading him) on a contract that might be half the cap is not really good. It is more of a desperate move. I would much prefer to wait for someone like Harden or some wing that becomes available. The problem of course is that the Sixers are also on a timer.

In the end i think the fist and more important step, before anything else, is to change the FO.

[ProcessDoctor]

Paul has decline and Paul was never a volume score. Every player decline in his 30s, short guards usually decline faster. As Lillard slows down it will be more difficult for him to get off his shot or drive. Even if he keeps his level of play he will be overpaid, his age related decline will make that even worse and a future injury would instantly turn him into the worst contract.

Imo every team should stay away from these contracts for players in their 30s. Unless you are talking about an all time great, and even then its doubtful. These are contracts based on past achievements not on the expected level of play during the contract.

Contrary to popular perception, CP3 is still a very impactful player, evidenced by advanced metrics (6th in RPM, 14th in RAPTOR). That being said, I understand they have different playing styles and strengths.

In addition to CP3, Nash, Kidd, Curry, and Lowry are all examples of PGs who played/are playing very well into their mid-30s. It's obviously just a guess, but I'd wager that Lillard will fall into that group rather than the path of someone like Isaiah Thomas.

Regardless, zooming back out, the question is if Lillard gives us a better chance to win over the next 4 years than Simmons does. Maybe, maybe not? But, if the answer is yes, all the other stuff matters so much less. I guarantee if we won a chip with Lillard we wouldn't be complaining about having him for the last 2 years of his contract. Players get traded, bought out, etc.

Every player declines in his 30s. Some more some less, usually short guards fall into the more category. His shooting will stay which is a positive, but his scoring (which is Lillards calling card) and efficiency will take a hit.

With Simmons a lot depends on his development, which admittedly disappointing, but there is always a chance to trade him.

With a 32-33 old Lillard there is no such a chance and if we dont win in the first year or two the team is doomed.

It may have been different if we could get Lillard 2-3 years ago but getting him at 31 (Portland will surely run it back once more with a healthy roster before trading him) on a contract that might be half the cap is not really good. It is more of a desperate move. I would much prefer to wait for someone like Harden or some wing that becomes available. The problem of course is that the Sixers are also on a timer.

In the end i think the fist and more important step, before anything else, is to change the FO.

We have different trajectories for Lillard I guess. Agree to disagree. I also think you’re more optimistic on Ben’s ceiling with the current surrounding roster/environment. All comes down to risk/reward, we’ll see what ends up happening. Agree having a different FO to make these decisions would be ideal.

[ProcessDoctor]

Simmons + Horford + Richardson for Beal + Wall


Wall(30)/Milton(18)
Beal(34)/Korkmaz(6)/Milton(6)
Thybulle(28)/Korkmaz(14)/OKC 1st(6)
Harris(34)/OKC 1st(14)
Embiid(30)/VET(18)


Wall/Milton/Micic
Beal/Korkmaz/Smith
Thybulle/NYK 2nd/Shayok
Harris/OKC 1st/Scott
Embiid/VET/Pelle


Edit: Removed Bryant/picks

[ProcessDoctor]

James Harden
Damian Lillard
Bradley Beal
Devin Booker
Donovan Mitchell
Jrue Holiday +
CJ McCollum +
De'Aaron Fox +

Start at the top and work our way down to find a deal for Ben.

[phillynative]

I think we should take a flyer on guys like gary trent jr and derek white.

[Kobblehead]

Once Fox signs a max extension, swapping Simmons for him would be a fair deal for both sides.

[ProcessDoctor]

Once Fox signs a max extension, swapping Simmons for him would be a fair deal for both sides.

I’d ask for quite a bit back. Could do it pre-extension and add a few pieces on either side to make salaries work.

Simmons + Richardson for Fox + Hield + Bjelica + 1st

Fox(32)/Milton(16)
Hield(32)/Korkmaz(16)
Harris(24)/Thybulle(24)
Bjelica(28)/Horford(10)/Harris(10)
Embiid(30)/Horford(18)


Fox/Milton/Micic
Hield/Korkmaz/Smith
Harris/Thybulle/Shayok
Bjelica/SAC 1st/Scott
Embiid/Horford/OKC 1st

[Kobblehead]

I'd rather just wait and do an even swap. Don't want to take on Buddy's contract years and bad defense. Plus, it will buy us some time to see if Ben Simmons has an epiphany and starts shooting and/or scoring off the dribble. In which case, no trade would be needed.

[ProcessDoctor]

I'd rather just wait and do an even swap. Don't want to take on Buddy's contract years and bad defense. Plus, it will buy us some time to see if Ben Simmons has an epiphany and starts shooting and/or scoring off the dribble. In which case, no trade would be needed.

Why wait and take less assets? Either way you’re getting Fox and would have to max him. Not like we’d have cap space to use in place of Buddy/Bjelica either.