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Post#161 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed Aug 5, 2020 3:50 am

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If the Raptors still hold his rights like with Nando than I wouldn’t mind him going overseas to get significant playing time.
He could be the heir apparent to Serge if he refines his skills.
Draft wise this year I would be looking to mould someone under Marc Gasols tutelage assuming we’re sign him for 1-2 more years.
Aamir Simms is an interesting prospect(Diaw-like) but he decided to stay at Clemson for his Sr season.
Tillman checks some boxes.
Anyone know any other bigman prospects with an advanced passing toolkit?


Raptors don’t have Kokates NBA rights iirc

As far as draftable bigs go, Pokusevski has some legitimate gaurd like passing skills and is just a weird player in general.

Okongwu will flash some high level passing once every 5 games or so.

Vernon Carey showed some good passing acumen but he’s got no idea how to play defense right now and doesn't seem too willing to try.
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Post#162 » by Psubs » Sun Aug 9, 2020 12:58 am

If Ibaka wants over $20 million what about Paul Milsap? He developed a reliable 3pt shot and this year shot 44%! I think he's a better passer than Serge and we only need him to play 24-26 mpg.

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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#163 » by YelloC » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:38 pm

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If the Raptors still hold his rights like with Nando than I wouldn’t mind him going overseas to get significant playing time.
He could be the heir apparent to Serge if he refines his skills.
Draft wise this year I would be looking to mould someone under Marc Gasols tutelage assuming we’re sign him for 1-2 more years.
Aamir Simms is an interesting prospect(Diaw-like) but he decided to stay at Clemson for his Sr season.
Tillman checks some boxes.
Anyone know any other bigman prospects with an advanced passing toolkit?


Raptors don’t have Kokates NBA rights iirc

As far as draftable bigs go, Pokusevski has some legitimate gaurd like passing skills and is just a weird player in general.

Okongwu will flash some high level passing once every 5 games or so.

Vernon Carey showed some good passing acumen but he’s got no idea how to play defense right now and doesn't seem too willing to try.

Daniel Oturu seems like a suitable Ibaka replacement if Ibaka leaves or as he gets older. Oturu actually has the same weaknesses in regards to being a black hole. Although, Ibaka has improved in that area.
If we could somehow grab Oturu and Xavier Tillman that could be a pretty good future frontcourt if Siakam ended up moving to Small forward.
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Post#164 » by coca_scola » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:38 pm

A top priority this off season imo needs to be replacing Rondae in the rotation. Need to find a backup PF who can shoot the ball.
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Post#165 » by Mark_83 » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:07 am

coca_scola wrote:A top priority this off season imo needs to be replacing Rondae in the rotation. Need to find a backup PF who can shoot the ball.

Christian Wood?
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Post#166 » by Psubs » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:18 pm

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coca_scola wrote:A top priority this off season imo needs to be replacing Rondae in the rotation. Need to find a backup PF who can shoot the ball.

Christian Wood?


He's developed his 3-pt shot over the last few seasons. Would you give him the MLE for 4 years with max raises?

A bad team should offer him like $12 million per season. Really Detroit needs to re-sign him even if it means giving him $15 million per year.
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Post#167 » by HeadtopChunes » Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:25 pm

I wonder if we can get MKG for cheap. He looks good on the Mavs but they arent using him much. He could be a better version of Rondae next year (playable in the playoffs too!)
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Post#168 » by coca_scola » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:32 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:I wonder if we can get MKG for cheap. He looks good on the Mavs but they arent using him much. He could be a better version of Rondae next year (playable in the playoffs too!)


Has his shot improved? Rondae absolutely kills our spacing and I feel like MKG will do the same thing.
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Post#169 » by coca_scola » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:34 pm

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coca_scola wrote:A top priority this off season imo needs to be replacing Rondae in the rotation. Need to find a backup PF who can shoot the ball.

Christian Wood?


A guy I'd like to consider is Marvin Williams, I really wanted him when he was bought out this year. Shoots the three well, should be available for super cheap, good character guy, defends and doesn't require many touches on offence.
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Post#170 » by HeadtopChunes » Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:23 pm

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HeadtopChunes wrote:I wonder if we can get MKG for cheap. He looks good on the Mavs but they arent using him much. He could be a better version of Rondae next year (playable in the playoffs too!)


Has his shot improved? Rondae absolutely kills our spacing and I feel like MKG will do the same thing.


He’s a better shooter than Rondae (like can probably hit a open corner at least sometimes and is an average mid range shooter) But he’d probably still present the same spacing problems.

He’s just better at almost everything else than Rondae, IQ, Slashing, Finishing etc
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Post#171 » by Mark_83 » Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:56 pm

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coca_scola wrote:A top priority this off season imo needs to be replacing Rondae in the rotation. Need to find a backup PF who can shoot the ball.

Christian Wood?


He's developed his 3-pt shot over the last few seasons. Would you give him the MLE for 4 years with max raises?

A bad team should offer him like $12 million per season. Really Detroit needs to re-sign him even if it means giving him $15 million per year.

I don't know. It depends. He's basically just a younger Boucher. How is his defense? Does he make all his assignments? If he does sign me up. But if not Boucher will be cheaper.

I look at a guy like Rondae. If we can replace him with another 3/4 combo who plays defense and brings energy but can also shoot then that would be a big get. Paul Reed could be that guy in the draft, or Tyler Bey.
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Post#172 » by coca_scola » Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:17 pm

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HeadtopChunes wrote:I wonder if we can get MKG for cheap. He looks good on the Mavs but they arent using him much. He could be a better version of Rondae next year (playable in the playoffs too!)


Has his shot improved? Rondae absolutely kills our spacing and I feel like MKG will do the same thing.


He’s a better shooter than Rondae (like can probably hit a open corner at least sometimes and is an average mid range shooter) But he’d probably still present the same spacing problems.

He’s just better at almost everything else than Rondae, IQ, Slashing, Finishing etc


I suppose I'm also operating under the assumption that our team is similar to this year, in that we would retain Fred, Serge and Marc and therefore play a similar style to this season. If Serge leaves in free agency than that likely really impacts the way we structure our bench and might make MKG a good fit. Part of why I don't like Rondae or MKG is due to their fit with Serge, obviously if he leaves then we can change our approach. He is a very good defender if memory serves, is that correct?
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Post#173 » by RaptorPride » Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:29 pm

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Should they give him RHJ's roster spot next year? If they draft Reed, it'll work out. I think he'd at least be the beefy complement to Boucher.

I really want Nerlens Noel for the full MLE for 4 years with max raises to try and pry him away from OKC. Getting him for his prime years. He just doesn't shoot 3's but would cost less than half of what Serge might get.
Noel would be an interesting get especially if Toronto moves on from Serge Ibaka or Gasol. Noel is still a good defender

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Post#174 » by HeadtopChunes » Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:29 pm

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Has his shot improved? Rondae absolutely kills our spacing and I feel like MKG will do the same thing.


He’s a better shooter than Rondae (like can probably hit a open corner at least sometimes and is an average mid range shooter) But he’d probably still present the same spacing problems.

He’s just better at almost everything else than Rondae, IQ, Slashing, Finishing etc


I suppose I'm also operating under the assumption that our team is similar to this year, in that we would retain Fred, Serge and Marc and therefore play a similar style to this season. If Serge leaves in free agency than that likely really impacts the way we structure our bench and might make MKG a good fit. Part of why I don't like Rondae or MKG is due to their fit with Serge, obviously if he leaves then we can change our approach. He is a very good defender if memory serves, is that correct?


I’m expecting Fred/Marc to be back and Serge to be replaced by a cheaper option (maybe even Boucher/Dewan tbh.)


As far as his defense he’s probably a top 10-20 or so defender in the league (based on his hornets tenure and the couple Dallas minutes ive seen) Pretty good on-ball and very good off-ball.

Fundamentally doesn’t really change much with our team structure I just think he can do Rondaes role better (he’s only a year older than Rondae to boot )
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Post#175 » by YelloC » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:21 am

So I guess the Raptors 1st and 2nd round picks are locked in at 29 and 59.
I would assume that the 59th has a good chance of being sold or packaged unless our guy falls to the pick.
29th could even be moved for 2 early 2nds.
OKC is the team to target for trading 1 pick for 2 for obvious reasons.
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Post#176 » by Mattatron » Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:54 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
coca_scola wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:I wonder if we can get MKG for cheap. He looks good on the Mavs but they arent using him much. He could be a better version of Rondae next year (playable in the playoffs too!)


Has his shot improved? Rondae absolutely kills our spacing and I feel like MKG will do the same thing.


He’s a better shooter than Rondae (like can probably hit a open corner at least sometimes and is an average mid range shooter) But he’d probably still present the same spacing problems.

He’s just better at almost everything else than Rondae, IQ, Slashing, Finishing etc


MKG is still pure sh*t and still cannot shoot the ball. That's why he doesn't see any minutes at Dallas.
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Post#177 » by HeadtopChunes » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:26 pm

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Has his shot improved? Rondae absolutely kills our spacing and I feel like MKG will do the same thing.


He’s a better shooter than Rondae (like can probably hit a open corner at least sometimes and is an average mid range shooter) But he’d probably still present the same spacing problems.

He’s just better at almost everything else than Rondae, IQ, Slashing, Finishing etc


MKG is still pure sh*t and still cannot shoot the ball. That's why he doesn't see any minutes at Dallas.


Rondaes shooting numbers for his last 2 seasons

16ft-3pt line :18.2%

From 3: 16.7% (16.7% for corner 3s)


MKG

16ft-3pt line : 36.6%

From 3: 31.3% (41.2% on corner 3s)

He doesn’t have play in Dallas because he’s not a good fit for their Roster, Carliesles schemes don’t really allow a bad shooter at 1-4 to really work, even if he is their best wing defender.

Playoffs will be interesting because they’ll need to give him minutes on Kawhi/PG
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Post#178 » by coca_scola » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:34 pm

Psubs wrote:If Ibaka wants over $20 million what about Paul Milsap? He developed a reliable 3pt shot and this year shot 44%! I think he's a better passer than Serge and we only need him to play 24-26 mpg.

Re-sign Marc for the MLE for 3 years same as Milsap!

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I love Paul Milsap and agree with MPJ in Denver he's going to be moving on, but I doubt he accepts a bench role here. Even at his age I feel like he can still find a starting job somewhere.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#179 » by coca_scola » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:38 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
Klaw22 wrote:
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He’s a better shooter than Rondae (like can probably hit a open corner at least sometimes and is an average mid range shooter) But he’d probably still present the same spacing problems.

He’s just better at almost everything else than Rondae, IQ, Slashing, Finishing etc


MKG is still pure sh*t and still cannot shoot the ball. That's why he doesn't see any minutes at Dallas.


Rondaes shooting numbers for his last 2 seasons

16ft-3pt line :18.2%

From 3: 16.7% (16.7% for corner 3s)


MKG

16ft-3pt line : 36.6%

From 3: 31.3% (41.2% on corner 3s)


MKG's numbers are on less than 2 attempts per game, (besides his time with Charlotte this year where he attempted 1.4 per game he's under 1 his entire career) so I would hardly call him a shooting threat. If he was a reliable shooter he'd have more attempts, I still would classify him as a non-shooter.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#180 » by HeadtopChunes » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:40 pm

coca_scola wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
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MKG is still pure sh*t and still cannot shoot the ball. That's why he doesn't see any minutes at Dallas.


Rondaes shooting numbers for his last 2 seasons

16ft-3pt line :18.2%

From 3: 16.7% (16.7% for corner 3s)


MKG

16ft-3pt line : 36.6%

From 3: 31.3% (41.2% on corner 3s)


MKG's numbers are on less than 2 attempts per game, (besides his time with Charlotte this year where he attempted 1.4 per game he's under 1 his entire career) so I would hardly call him a shooting threat. If he was a reliable shooter he'd have more attempts, I still would classify him as a non-shooter.


Yeah that’s what pretty much what I said, but he’s still clearly a better shooter than Rondae imo

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