2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 6) -LOTTO 8/20 DRAFT 10/16!

[Worst_to_First]

3&D - two things this team sorely lacks and fits with our 2.5* young building blocks.

Though we really need someone to break down a defense, too.

And despite those two needs and Mitch, I'm taking Wiseman over all. Don't care that everyone says the L has changed never pass up on an elite big.

If we can move up to the Top 3 I’d draft Wiseman then see if we can find a way to trade Mitch for Vassell. Hornets could bite if they don’t move up as they are amongst those who were identified as interested in Drummond.

LOL we would be getting the two guys in the draft that the Spurs are rumored to desire.

[knickstape21]

People just say 3 and D and don’t even know what they talking about lol.

How about great on ball defender, team defender, super efficient 3 point shooter, solid pull up game especially on close outs, excels in transition due to length/athleticism, and best of all, made massive improvements from freshman to sophomore year.

He has work to do on his iso game and handle so he’s 3 and D lol.....

[HEZI]

Dude just literally described a 3 and D player

Nobody, not one NBA team, is going to be relying on Vessell to run the offense, nor to score in Iso, nor to score on the block, so if you don't know the role of a 3 and D player then that's your problem. He won't function in any type of role in the NBA besides that, those that know and understand that role are very much aware and those that don't are just clueless who live in a fantasy world.

There are dudes in the NBA with far greater skills than him who are strictly 3 and D players. My goodness lets dont draft this dude because I can see where the expectations already are. The thing is I actually like Vessell, for who he is, would take him only if that's what I needed and wanted. Would never take him and expect him to be something more than that.

Forget Middleton, you are closer comparing him to Trevor Ariza

[HighRyzer83]

Lol Is it too late to trade Knox for Porter? We dropped the ball on that one something awful

[RHODEY]

You gave no facts other than giving me his college numbers. We're talking NBA ceiling, his game, as is right now, is 3D role player even in college that's what he is. 84% of his shots are assisted, in college. He has no Iso scoring ability and whatever he has is very limited. Now transitioning to the NBA he's going to be what? A star? Yeah ok

Right what other facts would i have to give? Middleton has no ISO scoring abilities, and he's doing just fine. But I tend to side with NBA scouts who think Vassel could be special. You don't agree, that s cool. We don't agree on Cole Anthony or Hayes either and that's cool too.

Yes he does. Every year some lanky 3D wing gets compared to either Kawhi or Middleton

Hmmm Ok if you say so,.

[RHODEY]

Vassell is one of my favs in the draft but I’m not drafting him with the pick. Rather have Deni who can be a plus defender and has higher upside offensively

yeah i have lamelo, wiseman, and deni in my top tier but outside of that i wouldn't have a problem taking vassell anywhere from 4-10. i see him as basically this year's deandre hunter - very similar production and high floor - you know you're going to at least get an nba player and most likely a starter with the potential to develop into something better down the line. i like that his frame is a little leaner and quicker than hunter - bodes well for his potential as a more dynamic scorer IMO. although yes his offensive game is going to take several years to develop

he's the type of player we need to get accustomed to with walt perrin in the fold

Well said, out of the top ten Vassel is proably the best 2 way player, high floor with immediate impact type of game.

[knickstape21]

No worries, guys. The only person who doesn’t want Devin “Vessell” is the same person who wants Cole Anthony. We’re good.

[knickstape21]

Vassell is one of my favs in the draft but I’m not drafting him with the pick. Rather have Deni who can be a plus defender and has higher upside offensively

yeah i have lamelo, wiseman, and deni in my top tier but outside of that i wouldn't have a problem taking vassell anywhere from 4-10. i see him as basically this year's deandre hunter - very similar production and high floor - you know you're going to at least get an nba player and most likely a starter with the potential to develop into something better down the line. i like that his frame is a little leaner and quicker than hunter - bodes well for his potential as a more dynamic scorer IMO. although yes his offensive game is going to take several years to develop

he's the type of player we need to get accustomed to with walt perrin in the fold

Well said, out of the top ten Vassel is proably the best 2 way player, high floor with immediate impact type of game.

There’s untapped potential in there. The glimpses of iso pull up game is encouraging, especially in tight situations like at Pittsburgh and at Duke for example.

Want him to take that iso game to the post on smaller guards more in the NBA and learn to draw fouls.

[HEZI]

You know you a lame when that's your comeback

[knickstape21]

Macri campaigning for Okoro over Vassell, lol. has he not watched a Knicks game recently? we need shooting and if the choice is between Vassell and Okoro, both great defenders w/ Vassell being the far superior shooter, the choice is easy: Vassell, he fits better next to Mitch and RJ

fit is important; many talented players fail because they were drafted to teams where they didnt fit

I’d take Okoro as he will be BPA I’m not drafting for fit

I think there's definitely an argument that Vassell is better. Vassell is the better shooter, and advanced stats even favor his defense to Okoro's (Vassell w/ higher DRTG and DBPM)

fit is important, if a players skillset doesn't compliment the other main players on the roster, it's more likely said player won't reach their potential

I like Okoro, but you gotta take the guys that can shoot the rock especially with the current state of our roster.

[RHODEY]

People just say 3 and D and don’t even know what they talking about lol.

How about great on ball defender, team defender, super efficient 3 point shooter, solid pull up game especially on close outs, excels in transition due to length/athleticism, and best of all, made massive improvements from freshman to sophomore year.

He has work to do on his iso game and handle so he’s 3 and D lol.....

[RHODEY]

No worries, guys. The only person who doesn’t want Devin “Vessell” is the same person who wants Cole Anthony. We’re good.

[RHODEY]

yeah i have lamelo, wiseman, and deni in my top tier but outside of that i wouldn't have a problem taking vassell anywhere from 4-10. i see him as basically this year's deandre hunter - very similar production and high floor - you know you're going to at least get an nba player and most likely a starter with the potential to develop into something better down the line. i like that his frame is a little leaner and quicker than hunter - bodes well for his potential as a more dynamic scorer IMO. although yes his offensive game is going to take several years to develop

he's the type of player we need to get accustomed to with walt perrin in the fold

Well said, out of the top ten Vassel is proably the best 2 way player, high floor with immediate impact type of game.

There’s untapped potential in there. The glimpses of iso pull up game is encouraging, especially in tight situations like at Pittsburgh and at Duke for example.

Want him to take that iso game to the post on smaller guards more in the NBA and learn to draw fouls.

Right the kid is gonna make some team reallly happy they picked him.

[knickstape21]

People just say 3 and D and don’t even know what they talking about lol.

How about great on ball defender, team defender, super efficient 3 point shooter, solid pull up game especially on close outs, excels in transition due to length/athleticism, and best of all, made massive improvements from freshman to sophomore year.

He has work to do on his iso game and handle so he’s 3 and D lol.....

Haha it’s unbelievable man. People just use the term “3 and D” with no real context. It’s novice to me. There’s so many different things happening in an NBA game.

I’m watching Bucks/Mavs right now. Devin Vassell would fit beautifully in this game for both teams.

[RHODEY]

People just say 3 and D and don’t even know what they talking about lol.

How about great on ball defender, team defender, super efficient 3 point shooter, solid pull up game especially on close outs, excels in transition due to length/athleticism, and best of all, made massive improvements from freshman to sophomore year.

He has work to do on his iso game and handle so he’s 3 and D lol.....

Haha it’s unbelievable man. People just use the term “3 and D” with no real context. It’s novice to me. There’s so many different things happening in an NBA game.

I’m watching Bucks/Mavs right now. Devin Vassell would fit beautifully in this game for both teams.

He sure would. I definitely would prefer that to Tre Burke's inefficient ISO heavy game.

[Guano]

I'd be fine with us taking Cole... with the 27th pick.

[knickstape4ever]

11 days

[god shammgod]

3&D - two things this team sorely lacks and fits with our 2.5* young building blocks.

Though we really need someone to break down a defense, too.

And despite those two needs and Mitch, I'm taking Wiseman over all. Don't care that everyone says the L has changed never pass up on an elite big.

If we can move up to the Top 3 I’d draft Wiseman then see if we can find a way to trade Mitch for Vassell. Hornets could bite if they don’t move up as they are amongst those who were identified as interested in Drummond.

LOL we would be getting the two guys in the draft that the Spurs are rumored to desire.

[3toheadmelo]

Now that I traded my pick in BAF, I will keep it 100 and won’t play any mind games

My real ranking

1. Wiseman
2. Lamelo
3. Edwards
4. Obi Toppin
5. Killian Hayes
6. Kira Lewis
7. Deni Advija
8. Tyrese Haliburton
9. Precious Achiuwa
10. Jaden McDaniels
11. Isaac Okoro
12. Onyeka
13. Cole Anthony
14. RJ Hampton
15. Devin Vassell
16. Tyrese Maxey
17. Aaron Nesmith
18. Jalen Smith
19. Poku
20. Patrick Williams

[Worst_to_First]

Now that I traded my pick in BAF, I will keep it 100 and won’t play any mind games

My real ranking

1. Wiseman
2. Lamelo
3. Edwards
4. Obi Toppin
5. Killian Hayes
6. Kira Lewis
7. Deni Advija
8. Tyrese Haliburton
9. Precious Achiuwa
10. Jaden McDaniels
11. Isaac Okoro
12. Onyeka
13. Cole Anthony
14. RJ Hampton
15. Devin Vassell
16. Tyrese Maxey
17. Aaron Nesmith
18. Jalen Smith
19. Poku
20. Patrick Williams

Not feeling the 3&D guys in this draft?