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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1441 » by Laimbeer » Sat Aug 8, 2020 8:40 pm

How about you must build around a particular team? You have to spend 44 fga's and 4 spots on players from a particular team - for example, 2000 Lakers, 2013 Heat, 1986 Celtics, etc.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1442 » by wackbone » Sun Aug 9, 2020 2:23 am

Laimbeer wrote:How about you must build around a particular team? You have to spend 44 fga's and 4 spots on players from a particular team - for example, 2000 Lakers, 2013 Heat, 1986 Celtics, etc.

Interesting. Do you have to declare what season you're using when you draft or not? I think it would be an interesting exercise but I am not sure how fair it would end up being. I might run it through and see if it's viable.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1443 » by Laimbeer » Sun Aug 9, 2020 2:51 am

wackbone wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:How about you must build around a particular team? You have to spend 44 fga's and 4 spots on players from a particular team - for example, 2000 Lakers, 2013 Heat, 1986 Celtics, etc.

Interesting. Do you have to declare what season you're using when you draft or not? I think it would be an interesting exercise but I am not sure how fair it would end up being. I might run it through and see if it's viable.


No, you wouldn't have to declare until the end. With the ability to take four wild cards up to 44 fga's I don't think anyone would end up too strapped.

A better and more understandable rule is a limit of 44 fga's and 4 slots for wild cards, and you can spend whatever on your base team, so long as your total in 88 or less. So 40 for the wild cards and 48 from your base team is okay.

My guess is a lot of folks will end up taking a star and three inconsequential players from their base team. If I went Shaq, I'd then probably go BPA wild cards the next four rounds then back to the 2000 Lakers for my bench. Come to think of it, I hope the restriction is strong enough.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1444 » by wackbone » Sun Aug 9, 2020 3:15 am

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Laimbeer wrote:How about you must build around a particular team? You have to spend 44 fga's and 4 spots on players from a particular team - for example, 2000 Lakers, 2013 Heat, 1986 Celtics, etc.

Interesting. Do you have to declare what season you're using when you draft or not? I think it would be an interesting exercise but I am not sure how fair it would end up being. I might run it through and see if it's viable.


No, you wouldn't have to declare until the end. With the ability to take four wild cards up to 44 fga's I don't think anyone would end up too strapped.

A better and more understandable rule is a limit of 44 fga's and 4 slots for wild cards, and you can spend whatever on your base team, so long as your total in 88 or less. So 40 for the wild cards and 48 from your base team is okay.

My guess is a lot of folks will end up taking a star and three inconsequential players from their base team. If I went Shaq, I'd then probably go BPA wild cards the next four rounds then back to the 2000 Lakers for my bench. Come to think of it, I hope the restriction is strong enough.

Oh I was thinking you meant you would end up with 2 historical rosters to draw from IE the 2000 lakers and the 2013 Heat. So 4 of your players would be from the 2000 Lakers and 4 would be from the 2013 Heat, both teams restricted to 4 players and up to 44 FGAs, no "wildcards". That was my interpretation, but I suppose it could go either way
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1445 » by Laimbeer » Sun Aug 9, 2020 10:55 am

wackbone wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
wackbone wrote:Interesting. Do you have to declare what season you're using when you draft or not? I think it would be an interesting exercise but I am not sure how fair it would end up being. I might run it through and see if it's viable.


No, you wouldn't have to declare until the end. With the ability to take four wild cards up to 44 fga's I don't think anyone would end up too strapped.

A better and more understandable rule is a limit of 44 fga's and 4 slots for wild cards, and you can spend whatever on your base team, so long as your total in 88 or less. So 40 for the wild cards and 48 from your base team is okay.

My guess is a lot of folks will end up taking a star and three inconsequential players from their base team. If I went Shaq, I'd then probably go BPA wild cards the next four rounds then back to the 2000 Lakers for my bench. Come to think of it, I hope the restriction is strong enough.

Oh I was thinking you meant you would end up with 2 historical rosters to draw from IE the 2000 lakers and the 2013 Heat. So 4 of your players would be from the 2000 Lakers and 4 would be from the 2013 Heat, both teams restricted to 4 players and up to 44 FGAs, no "wildcards". That was my interpretation, but I suppose it could go either way


I dunno, with two historical teams wouldn't most get cemented into both teams fairly quickly and kill the strategy? With wild cards there's the dynamic of another team potentially dipping into your historical team, plus you have the flexibility to change your historical team. And is there more potential for imbalance with two historical teams? The wild cards feel like equalizers.

Both ways would be interesting. Maybe some others can chime in.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1446 » by wackbone » Sun Aug 9, 2020 12:17 pm

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No, you wouldn't have to declare until the end. With the ability to take four wild cards up to 44 fga's I don't think anyone would end up too strapped.

A better and more understandable rule is a limit of 44 fga's and 4 slots for wild cards, and you can spend whatever on your base team, so long as your total in 88 or less. So 40 for the wild cards and 48 from your base team is okay.

My guess is a lot of folks will end up taking a star and three inconsequential players from their base team. If I went Shaq, I'd then probably go BPA wild cards the next four rounds then back to the 2000 Lakers for my bench. Come to think of it, I hope the restriction is strong enough.

Oh I was thinking you meant you would end up with 2 historical rosters to draw from IE the 2000 lakers and the 2013 Heat. So 4 of your players would be from the 2000 Lakers and 4 would be from the 2013 Heat, both teams restricted to 4 players and up to 44 FGAs, no "wildcards". That was my interpretation, but I suppose it could go either way


I dunno, with two historical teams wouldn't most get cemented into both teams fairly quickly and kill the strategy? With wild cards there's the dynamic of another team potentially dipping into your historical team, plus you have the flexibility to change your historical team. And is there more potential for imbalance with two historical teams? The wild cards feel like equalizers.

Both ways would be interesting. Maybe some others can chime in.

Alternative would be 3 historical teams, 2 players each, then 2 wildcards, with no FGA restriction per team, just the 88 FGA overall limit.

There’s tons of ways it could go
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Post#1447 » by Laimbeer » Sun Aug 9, 2020 12:43 pm

wackbone wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
wackbone wrote:Oh I was thinking you meant you would end up with 2 historical rosters to draw from IE the 2000 lakers and the 2013 Heat. So 4 of your players would be from the 2000 Lakers and 4 would be from the 2013 Heat, both teams restricted to 4 players and up to 44 FGAs, no "wildcards". That was my interpretation, but I suppose it could go either way


I dunno, with two historical teams wouldn't most get cemented into both teams fairly quickly and kill the strategy? With wild cards there's the dynamic of another team potentially dipping into your historical team, plus you have the flexibility to change your historical team. And is there more potential for imbalance with two historical teams? The wild cards feel like equalizers.

Both ways would be interesting. Maybe some others can chime in.

Alternative would be 3 historical teams, 2 players each, then 2 wildcards, with no FGA restriction per team, just the 88 FGA overall limit.

There’s tons of ways it could go


That last way is my least favorite - I don't think it would be hard at all to take three matching players from three different teams.

Maybe a signup thread and include a poll for the first two alternatives? I'm beginning to like the two team idea...
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1448 » by Fadeaway_J » Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:37 pm

Some older ideas may be worth redoing now that the 2019-20 season is about to wrap up.

The Pacific division game was a good while back for example - LeBron, KD, AD, and Kawhi would now be eligible, among others.
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Post#1449 » by Laimbeer » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:24 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:Some older ideas may be worth redoing now that the 2019-20 season is about to wrap up.

The Pacific division game was a good while back for example - LeBron, KD, AD, and Kawhi would now be eligible, among others.


2020 and one? I'd be down for either, just think I remember a couple people mentioning the and one when we could do it.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#1450 » by Fadeaway_J » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:18 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:Some older ideas may be worth redoing now that the 2019-20 season is about to wrap up.

The Pacific division game was a good while back for example - LeBron, KD, AD, and Kawhi would now be eligible, among others.


2020 and one? I'd be down for either, just think I remember a couple people mentioning the and one when we could do it.

I guess we can do that now that the regular season is over. Would like to see my current game wrapped up first.
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Post#1451 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:20 am

No generational players - Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Duncan, Shaq, Lebron are ineligible
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Post#1452 » by euroleague » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:35 am

Fadeaway_J wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:Some older ideas may be worth redoing now that the 2019-20 season is about to wrap up.

The Pacific division game was a good while back for example - LeBron, KD, AD, and Kawhi would now be eligible, among others.


2020 and one? I'd be down for either, just think I remember a couple people mentioning the and one when we could do it.

I guess we can do that now that the regular season is over. Would like to see my current game wrapped up first.


Should really try some newer stuff

No generational talent is a good one.
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Post#1453 » by Laimbeer » Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:56 am

euroleague wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
2020 and one? I'd be down for either, just think I remember a couple people mentioning the and one when we could do it.

I guess we can do that now that the regular season is over. Would like to see my current game wrapped up first.


Should really try some newer stuff

No generational talent is a good one.


How does this work?
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Post#1454 » by euroleague » Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:16 pm

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euroleague wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:I guess we can do that now that the regular season is over. Would like to see my current game wrapped up first.


Should really try some newer stuff

No generational talent is a good one.


How does this work?

DrP’s idea - no MJ, Lebron, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Russell, etc

Would be fun to see some of these mvp level players be a centerpiece for a change instead of a stupidly good 2nd option
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Post#1455 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:31 pm

euroleague wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
euroleague wrote:
Should really try some newer stuff

No generational talent is a good one.


How does this work?

DrP’s idea - no MJ, Lebron, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Russell, etc

Would be fun to see some of these mvp level players be a centerpiece for a change instead of a stupidly good 2nd option

Not sure what the details of this idea were, but haven't we done no MVP at least once before?
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Post#1456 » by euroleague » Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:45 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
euroleague wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
How does this work?

DrP’s idea - no MJ, Lebron, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Russell, etc

Would be fun to see some of these mvp level players be a centerpiece for a change instead of a stupidly good 2nd option

Not sure what the details of this idea were, but haven't we done no MVP at least once before?

This would allow mvps.

Malone, Steve Nash, Rose, David Robinson, Moses Malone, Erving - all great players. Not sure a team led by them has ever won
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Post#1457 » by euroleague » Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:49 pm

Another idea is a ‘Build-around XXX’ game. Everyone starts with one player, ie. Kobe or Dirk, and builds around them.

That idea would be decided by voting, as h2h with 2 Kobe is a bit weird
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Post#1458 » by Laimbeer » Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:48 pm

ardee wrote:Do we have a solution for when BBRef takes off the Play Index?

Honestly given how many regulars we have I think sharing an account would be the easiest way to do it. 24 people makes it $4 for a whole year.

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This link has stopped working for me.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi

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Post#1459 » by Dr Positivity » Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:40 pm

A draft where you must draft 6 2019-2020 seasons, 1 player who played in 2019-2020 but any of their seasons (except 2020) are available, and 1 player who is not currently in the league
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Post#1460 » by Laimbeer » Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:43 pm

Not sure if it was discussed in this thread, but how about a "Put them over the top " draft?

You would be required to draft a core of players (5?) from a common team season - for example, the 1991 Blazers, 2005 Suns, 2002 Kings, etc. If a player ever won a title with that franchise, he cannot be part of the core.

You could also draft 3 players, limited to maybe 33 fga's, to supplement the team, or put them over the top.

No limit on core team, 33 fga limit on supplemental players, 88 total.
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