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TGW wrote:According to Biden, all us negroes are pretty much the same:
This guy is so out of touch with normal people, let alone the AA community. Then again, I don't expect anything less from someone who said "I spent last summer going through the black sections of my town trying to get black men to understand it's not unmanly to wear a condom."
Joe Biden is the definition of a white liberal racist.
Zonkerbl wrote:oh come on duck... let's listen to TGW and try and understand why he feels so strongly about this.
dckingsfan wrote:Zonkerbl wrote:oh come on duck... let's listen to TGW and try and understand why he feels so strongly about this.
It's funny, but in 2016 I was explaining why I could see how someone would vote R given the political climate.
Now, there is just absolutely zero explanation other than the single issue voter. And even then...
Zonkerbl wrote:dckingsfan wrote:Zonkerbl wrote:oh come on duck... let's listen to TGW and try and understand why he feels so strongly about this.
It's funny, but in 2016 I was explaining why I could see how someone would vote R given the political climate.
Now, there is just absolutely zero explanation other than the single issue voter. And even then...
I myself can't help but compare the frothing at the mouth raving anti-fascist agitator that I am now to the moderate poster I was ten years ago. I thought you were supposed to get more conservative as you got older.
Zonkerbl wrote:dckingsfan wrote:Zonkerbl wrote:oh come on duck... let's listen to TGW and try and understand why he feels so strongly about this.
It's funny, but in 2016 I was explaining why I could see how someone would vote R given the political climate.
Now, there is just absolutely zero explanation other than the single issue voter. And even then...
I myself can't help but compare the frothing at the mouth raving anti-fascist agitator that I am now to the moderate poster I was ten years ago. I thought you were supposed to get more conservative as you got older.
JWizmentality wrote:Zonkerbl wrote:dckingsfan wrote:It's funny, but in 2016 I was explaining why I could see how someone would vote R given the political climate.
Now, there is just absolutely zero explanation other than the single issue voter. And even then...
I myself can't help but compare the frothing at the mouth raving anti-fascist agitator that I am now to the moderate poster I was ten years ago. I thought you were supposed to get more conservative as you got older.
It'll happen when the dementia starts to kick in.
Zonkerbl wrote:oh come on duck... let's listen to TGW and try and understand why he feels so strongly about this.
Zonkerbl wrote:Honestly I don't think anyone's qualified to speak for TGW except TGW
In a dark season of pestilence, COVID has reduced to tatters the illusion of American exceptionalism. At the height of the crisis, with more than 2,000 dying each day, Americans found themselves members of a failed state, ruled by a dysfunctional and incompetent government largely responsible for death rates that added a tragic coda to America’s claim to supremacy in the world.
As the United States responded to the crisis like a corrupt tin pot dictatorship, the actual tin pot dictators of the world took the opportunity to seize the high ground, relishing a rare sense of moral superiority, especially in the wake of the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis. The autocratic leader of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, chastised America for “maliciously violating ordinary citizens’ rights.” North Korean newspapers objected to “police brutality” in America. Quoted in the Iranian press, Ayatollah Khomeini gloated, “America has begun the process of its own destruction.”
These politically motivated remarks may be easy to dismiss. But Americans have not done themselves any favors. Their political process made possible the ascendancy to the highest office in the land a national disgrace, a demagogue as morally and ethically compromised as a person can be. As a British writer quipped, “there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid”.
pancakes3 wrote:Trump forgiving student loan debt, implementing a moratorium on evictions, and authorizing the extension of additional unemployment benefits even at a reduced rate is a GOOD thing.
yes, it's unconstitutional, but how about dem leadership (1) don't criticize a gift horse in the mouth, and (2) come up with a more creative response than "orange man bad".
Pelosi coming out for the 49354973th time saying "that's unconstitutional" is such an uninspired response. how about saying "i applaud his attempt to come forward with a solution and if the Senate Republicans allow for it, we can do it the right way"
or "Don't look now but those are socialist answers, Donald, and I for one tip my hat to you."
How great would it be if Donald, in a fit of inbecilic rage, said "these are not socialist answers" - you could milk that soundbyte for decades. Student debt relief is not a partisan issue? hallelujah. Sufficient unemployment benefits isn't socialism? Preach.
Dems are just so bad at this.
States have to chip in. Now, under Trump's measure, the federal government is requiring states to pick up the tab for 25% ($100) of the as much as $400 additional benefit each person may be able to receive weekly in additional aid. On top of that, a state must agree to enter into this financial agreement with the federal government for any unemployed person living there to get any of the additional benefits.
States are in dire financial straits. Many states have already asked the federal government for major financial help. Several experts told CNN there are major questions about how many states may be able to afford the extra cost.
If a state says that it does not have the funds or does want to enter into the agreement with the federal government, the unemployed person in that state receives zero dollars in extra federal benefits (they would still receive the normal state unemployment insurance).
In fact, states have asked Congress to provide them with an additional $500 billion to help shore up their budgets, which have been crushed by the loss of tax revenue amid the pandemic.
Just something to consider. The new measure only states that "the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the Director of the CDC shall consider whether any measures temporarily halting residential evictions of any tenants for failure to pay rent are reasonably necessary to "prevent the further spread of COVID-19."
No money is set aside to help homeowners or renters.
A deferral, not a cut. The payroll tax measure that Trump signed Saturday does not actually reduce the payroll taxes. It defers the due date for the portion of those taxes paid by employees -- 6.2% for Social Security and 1.45% for Medicare -- through December 31. It applies to workers whose wages are less than $4,000 on a biweekly basis, or about $104,000 a year.
This is similar to Treasury's deferring the federal income tax due date this year to July 15, from April 15.
The payroll taxes would still be due. They would just have been delayed to the end of the deferment period.
Student loans
Trump's directive regarding student loans seems to be the one executive action of the four that will deliver the results as the administration said. This is the only area of the four which doesn't need funding from Congress, state governments or the private sector to fully implement.
An additional three months. The memorandum directs the Education Department to extend the student loan relief granted in the CARES Act until the end of the year.
Currently, loan payments are paused and interest is suspended on federally-held student loans until September 30.
Democrats have pushed for extending the relief for another year and making private student loans eligible.
Ruzious wrote:For the thousandth time, enough's enough. He really wants to expand Mount Rushmore to include him. He's acytually having his people looking into making that happen. And he'd probably sell Pence's job to make that happen. https://news.yahoo.com/kristi-noem-mount-rushmore-trump-150930984.html
Unf'nbelievable.
Pointgod wrote:Except like everything with Trump it’s just the allusion that he’s doing something. He signed one executive order and couple of memorandums that don’t have any teeth.
pancakes3 wrote:Pointgod wrote:Except like everything with Trump it’s just the allusion that he’s doing something. He signed one executive order and couple of memorandums that don’t have any teeth.
Well, of course. I'm not saying that Trump is advancing GOOD policies - just that he's advancing DEM policies* (in whatever toothless manner that's befitting this administration).
The optics of this are huge. He's actively pushing for lib policies, and the opportunity to score political points, especially amongst independents is huge. Moreover, this could do a lot of heavy lifting in shifting the overton window. Getting bogged down in the weeds as to how effective his particular EO might be, is small-picture thinking.
I'm not saying the orange man isn't bad. I'm just saying that screeching it at every turn is ineffective messaging and at this stage of Democracy's death spiral, messaging is everything.
If you can effectively twist Trump's toothless EO into the Republican Party endorsing Lib policies and it (a) changes quite a few hearts and minds; and/or (b) pisses off R's more effectively than continuing to point out that orange man is in fact, bad.
Plus, a good chunk of Trumpers used to be solidly Blue voters - the union/blue collar crowd. Do whatever is necessary to get them to stop voting against their own interests.
*edit: I guess I did say "these are GOOD things." well, i clarified my point and i stand by it.