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2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

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Who do you prefer of the following prospects?

Desmond Bane
12
41%
Saddiq Bey
1
3%
RJ Hampton
1
3%
Kira Lewis Jr
4
14%
Tyrese Maxey
2
7%
Aaron Nesmith
2
7%
Isaac Okoro
1
3%
Jalen Smith
2
7%
Tyrell Terry
2
7%
Patrick Williams
2
7%
 
Total votes: 29

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Post#961 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Aug 7, 2020 7:51 pm

Walt_Uoob wrote:I was just refreshing myself on how the bubble affects the draft lottery (see here: https://www.si.com/nba/2020/06/16/nba-draft-2020-schedule-dates) and I realized that it's inadvertently brilliant. The way it works is that draft odds for the 14 teams that don't make the playoffs (post-bubble) are determined by their pre-bubble records. So for us, for example, even if we pass a few teams in our bubble quest to make the playoffs, if we fall short we still get the 10th best odds in the lottery.

So here's the brilliant part: they should mimic this every year. On lottery day, or maybe at some point before that, there's one extra drawing to randomly determine a date in between the trade deadline and the end of the season, and then everyone's draft odds are based on their regular season records through that random date. So tanking at the end of the season is totally disincentivized. The only situation where it would make sense is if you went on a late-season tear like we are doing now, but a) tanking is way less likely when you're making a legit playoff push, and b) there's no guarantee that you'll be rewarded anyway, because the date drawn could end up being one of the last few days of the season.

I guess there could still be some mid-season pre-trade-deadline tanking incentive, but with the flattened odds and the arbitrary date, you'd really have to go full Hinkie and tank all season to have any assurance that it would help much.

Another counterargument would likely come from teams that had really hard late-season schedules, so their records for lottery purposes would be sort of inflated. But as it stands there are those games we've been discussing where playoff teams rest their players at the end of the season, so to some extent it works both ways.
Yeah I agree having a cut off for odds at some point like 2/3 of the way would help with tanking. Now as long as theres any end point you will always have some but in reality the bad tanking is just the last 10 games of the season or so.

Sometimes people get a little overboard with what they consider tanking, some teams are just young and bad and that's fine you'll always have some of that.

I proposed an idea in the bubble thread that would kind of do this. Basically do away with conferences and you play each team twice (58 games).

After that 58 games the bottom 10 teams are removed and lotto odds locked and they would then play each other twice (18 games) and these games would either just be for development or you could even build in a lotto odd reward for winning.

Then take the top 10 teams and they are locked into the playoffs and just play 18 games for seeding.

The middle 10 play 18 games for the final 6 slots and the 4 who don't make it are the last 4 lotto teams.

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Post#963 » by AtheJ415 » Sat Aug 8, 2020 6:26 am

I don't think Riller slides to 2nd round at all. He'll go top 20. If we go PF at the top or combo guard (vassell), I wouldn't mind trying to move Oubre to come back in for Riller.

Dream scenario: Draft Vassell, trade Oubre to Dallas or MN for Riller, use cap space for PF like Gallinari.
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Post#964 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Aug 8, 2020 7:43 am

AtheJ415 wrote:I don't think Riller slides to 2nd round at all. He'll go top 20. If we go PF at the top or combo guard (vassell), I wouldn't mind trying to move Oubre to come back in for Riller.

Dream scenario: Draft Vassell, trade Oubre to Dallas or MN for Riller, use cap space for PF like Gallinari.


:clap: Vassell and Riller would be incredible for us. But IF Vassell is already off the board at 10, How would you feel about Riller and Paul Reed? Or Riller and Jalen Smith. Originally, I wasn't as high on Reed as a switchable elite versatile defender, But recently came across his big time improvement to his shooting mechanics and his ball handling. The two areas I had concerns over. And am now pretty high on him as a big prospect that has the potential to switch and guard positions 2-5! :o


For me, Grant Riller would be Key, But IF we were to miss out on Vassell, We definitely need to strengthen our defense with one of Smith, Reed or T. Bey in the first. And definitely look at Queen and Merrill in the 2nd as extreme value depth picks. By the way, Check out Merrill's statistics/ strengths.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/sam-merrill. Grant Riller is a Fred Van Vleet/ Mike Bibby type of prospect. And Sam Merrill is almost identical to Luke Kennard, But is a slightly better playmaker. Just imagine being able to get Vassell for defense and then a Riller or Merrill for a potent scoring punch off the bench would be a big time win on draft night. But I do like your dream scenario IF we go in that direction with Oubre, And IF we keep him, Then Vassell IF THERE at 10. Then buy a late first/ early 2nd for Paul Reed ( Defense/ rim protection) *** I see him as a potential Jerami Grant ( only cheaper)! Then he can run our own version of the Golden state " Death Unit" defensively. With Vassell at the 2, Bridges at the 3, Reed at the 4, Baynes at the 5? *** Cam can be our super 6th man! Imagine lineups of:

1st unit- Rubio/ Booker/ Bridges/ Oubre/ Ayton.
2nd unit- Riller/ Vassell/ Reed/ Cam/ Baynes.
3rd unit- Carter/ Jerome/ Vassell/ Bridges/ Reed.
*** We can always lose Jerome for Merrill. And trade Oubre to Atlanta for cap space and their 52nd pick ( which would get us either Merrill or Queen). IF the suns do in fact go that direction. Then you'd have the space for Gallinari. and you could run Reed and Vassell alongside of him situationally for defense. I know that many here don't want Gallinari for his probable pricetag, But it's still important to remember that he's a longtime friend of Booker and his family. And that would play a factor in his happiness to a significant degree. Overall though, I'm cool with keeping Oubre for now, And seeing how it plays out. But am adamant about Vassell and or Riller and Reed or Smith. It's simply a very low cost, effective way to add much needed depth and defense that would otherwise cost us significantly more in free agency anyways. :nod:
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Post#965 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Aug 8, 2020 3:49 pm

I really think this team could use a long, energetic big who can steals and blocks and help with interior D. I'd like to prioritize that kind of player in the draft. So my guys are Poku and Reed, in that order.

One really great thing about our play in the bubble is that it shows that we're not in dire need of anything in particular and can take our time with player development. I want us to be good for a long time. Going after a kid like Pokusevski would really fit with a long-term approach.
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Post#966 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Aug 9, 2020 6:32 am



Tyshon Alexander, As another great 2nd round backup guard option. Courtesy of McD for pointing him out! :wink: :thumbsup:
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Post#967 » by AtheJ415 » Sun Aug 9, 2020 6:52 am

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AtheJ415 wrote:I don't think Riller slides to 2nd round at all. He'll go top 20. If we go PF at the top or combo guard (vassell), I wouldn't mind trying to move Oubre to come back in for Riller.

Dream scenario: Draft Vassell, trade Oubre to Dallas or MN for Riller, use cap space for PF like Gallinari.


:clap: Vassell and Riller would be incredible for us. But IF Vassell is already off the board at 10, How would you feel about Riller and Paul Reed? Or Riller and Jalen Smith. Originally, I wasn't as high on Reed as a switchable elite versatile defender, But recently came across his big time improvement to his shooting mechanics and his ball handling. The two areas I had concerns over. And am now pretty high on him as a big prospect that has the potential to switch and guard positions 2-5! :o


For me, Grant Riller would be Key, But IF we were to miss out on Vassell, We definitely need to strengthen our defense with one of Smith, Reed or T. Bey in the first. And definitely look at Queen and Merrill in the 2nd as extreme value depth picks. By the way, Check out Merrill's statistics/ strengths.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/sam-merrill. Grant Riller is a Fred Van Vleet/ Mike Bibby type of prospect. And Sam Merrill is almost identical to Luke Kennard, But is a slightly better playmaker. Just imagine being able to get Vassell for defense and then a Riller or Merrill for a potent scoring punch off the bench would be a big time win on draft night. But I do like your dream scenario IF we go in that direction with Oubre, And IF we keep him, Then Vassell IF THERE at 10. Then buy a late first/ early 2nd for Paul Reed ( Defense/ rim protection) *** I see him as a potential Jerami Grant ( only cheaper)! Then he can run our own version of the Golden state " Death Unit" defensively. With Vassell at the 2, Bridges at the 3, Reed at the 4, Baynes at the 5? *** Cam can be our super 6th man! Imagine lineups of:

1st unit- Rubio/ Booker/ Bridges/ Oubre/ Ayton.
2nd unit- Riller/ Vassell/ Reed/ Cam/ Baynes.
3rd unit- Carter/ Jerome/ Vassell/ Bridges/ Reed.
*** We can always lose Jerome for Merrill. And trade Oubre to Atlanta for cap space and their 52nd pick ( which would get us either Merrill or Queen). IF the suns do in fact go that direction. Then you'd have the space for Gallinari. and you could run Reed and Vassell alongside of him situationally for defense. I know that many here don't want Gallinari for his probable pricetag, But it's still important to remember that he's a longtime friend of Booker and his family. And that would play a factor in his happiness to a significant degree. Overall though, I'm cool with keeping Oubre for now, And seeing how it plays out. But am adamant about Vassell and or Riller and Reed or Smith. It's simply a very low cost, effective way to add much needed depth and defense that would otherwise cost us significantly more in free agency anyways. :nod:


I'm not as sold on Reed as most. Love his motor, but if we're going for the versatile defender I'd rather go for a wing like Green and address PF in FA. The small ball lineup is working for us thanks to Ayton's improved defense and the pressure Bridges is able to put on people defensively, combined with Cam hurting PFs on the offensive end. I don't think we should go big at the 4 unless the guy is a versatile offensive player also.
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Post#968 » by AtheJ415 » Sun Aug 9, 2020 7:04 am

It's also a shame we don't have our 2nd rounder because Vernon Carey and Desmond Bane I think are horribly underrated in this draft. Bane is a 3 and D shooting guard who would fit in very well with our current wings.
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Post#969 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Aug 9, 2020 7:53 pm

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AtheJ415 wrote:I don't think Riller slides to 2nd round at all. He'll go top 20. If we go PF at the top or combo guard (vassell), I wouldn't mind trying to move Oubre to come back in for Riller.

Dream scenario: Draft Vassell, trade Oubre to Dallas or MN for Riller, use cap space for PF like Gallinari.


:clap: Vassell and Riller would be incredible for us. But IF Vassell is already off the board at 10, How would you feel about Riller and Paul Reed? Or Riller and Jalen Smith. Originally, I wasn't as high on Reed as a switchable elite versatile defender, But recently came across his big time improvement to his shooting mechanics and his ball handling. The two areas I had concerns over. And am now pretty high on him as a big prospect that has the potential to switch and guard positions 2-5! :o


For me, Grant Riller would be Key, But IF we were to miss out on Vassell, We definitely need to strengthen our defense with one of Smith, Reed or T. Bey in the first. And definitely look at Queen and Merrill in the 2nd as extreme value depth picks. By the way, Check out Merrill's statistics/ strengths.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/sam-merrill. Grant Riller is a Fred Van Vleet/ Mike Bibby type of prospect. And Sam Merrill is almost identical to Luke Kennard, But is a slightly better playmaker. Just imagine being able to get Vassell for defense and then a Riller or Merrill for a potent scoring punch off the bench would be a big time win on draft night. But I do like your dream scenario IF we go in that direction with Oubre, And IF we keep him, Then Vassell IF THERE at 10. Then buy a late first/ early 2nd for Paul Reed ( Defense/ rim protection) *** I see him as a potential Jerami Grant ( only cheaper)! Then he can run our own version of the Golden state " Death Unit" defensively. With Vassell at the 2, Bridges at the 3, Reed at the 4, Baynes at the 5? *** Cam can be our super 6th man! Imagine lineups of:

1st unit- Rubio/ Booker/ Bridges/ Oubre/ Ayton.
2nd unit- Riller/ Vassell/ Reed/ Cam/ Baynes.
3rd unit- Carter/ Jerome/ Vassell/ Bridges/ Reed.
*** We can always lose Jerome for Merrill. And trade Oubre to Atlanta for cap space and their 52nd pick ( which would get us either Merrill or Queen). IF the suns do in fact go that direction. Then you'd have the space for Gallinari. and you could run Reed and Vassell alongside of him situationally for defense. I know that many here don't want Gallinari for his probable pricetag, But it's still important to remember that he's a longtime friend of Booker and his family. And that would play a factor in his happiness to a significant degree. Overall though, I'm cool with keeping Oubre for now, And seeing how it plays out. But am adamant about Vassell and or Riller and Reed or Smith. It's simply a very low cost, effective way to add much needed depth and defense that would otherwise cost us significantly more in free agency anyways. :nod:

I'm not as sold on Reed as most. Love his motor, but if we're going for the versatile defender I'd rather go for a wing like Green and address PF in FA. The small ball lineup is working for us thanks to Ayton's improved defense and the pressure Bridges is able to put on people defensively, combined with Cam hurting PFs on the offensive end. I don't think we should go big at the 4 unless the guy is a versatile offensive player also.[/quote]


I'm not as sold on Reed as most. Love his motor, but if we're going for the versatile defender I'd rather go for a wing like Green and address PF in FA. The small ball lineup is working for us thanks to Ayton's improved defense and the pressure Bridges is able to put on people defensively, combined with Cam hurting PFs on the offensive end. I don't think we should go big at the 4 unless the guy is a versatile offensive player also.


I like Josh Green well enough, Although his finishing around the rim is reported to be very poor!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/behindthebuckpass.com/2020/04/13/milwaukee-bucks-josh-green-stands-intriguing-nba-draft-wing-prospect/amp/3/

Considering his relentless attacking of the basket, Green possesses the skills to attack aggressive closeouts and burst by defenders and according to Hoop-Math, Green converted 63.5 percent of his scoring opportunities at the rim as a freshman. But growing his finesse finishing skills will be important for him to develop, especially against NBA-level rim protectors.


And honestly, I'd prefer Vassell IF at all possible at 10. But if he's gone, I'd absolutely consider Green with a late first. Even though I'd honestly rank Trevelin Queen a bit higher on my board. And probably look to take him before choosing Green. Only because I see him as better/ more advanced on the offensive end.
Here's the comparison:
Trevelin Queen
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For a 2nd round pick whose not even ranked/ hyped much if at all, He seems to beat Green in the majority of categories. And would only cost us a late 2nd - undrafted contract.

Now the reason that I like Paul Reed is primarily for his best elite skillset. Rim Protection also the fact that for his size at 6'9 with a 7'2 wingspan, He's incredibly agile and fluid. Basically he has the versatility/ ability to be switchable enough to guard 2-5. He can use his length, speed and athleticism to provide lockdown defense for us all over the perimeter, As well as at the rim. So a prospect like Reed or Tyler Bey or Precious Achiuwa could all be very rangy switchable defenders that can cover multiple positions for us from the bench.And both Rim protection and perimeter defense are still critical issues for us that must be addressed. The reason that I prefer adding these defensive big prospects through the draft, is due to the low contractual cost it would have, As opposed to likely having to overpay in potential bidding situations in free agency for a quality defensive big. The difference could easily range anywhere from 4- 10 million in savings with those being rookie scale contracts.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

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Post#971 » by jredsaz » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:49 pm

The more I look at top 10 guys I feel like Haliburton is at the top of James Jones board. He has similar shooting number to Cam. Though Johnson was consistently better across the board Haliburton put up 41% on a nearly identical 3PAT Rate. His style of play also compliments the Suns system. He moves the ball very well. Even when playing off ball he is great at catching and making quick decisions. Has multiple years of college experience. Feel like he fits what Jones looks for in a prospect.

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Post#972 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:17 pm

jredsaz wrote:The more I look at top 10 guys I feel like Haliburton is at the top of James Jones board. He has similar shooting number to Cam. Though Johnson was consistently better across the board Haliburton put up 41% on a nearly identical 3PAT Rate. His style of play also compliments the Suns system. He moves the ball very well. Even when playing off ball he is great at catching and making quick decisions. Has multiple years of college experience. Feel like he fits what Jones looks for in a prospect.

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And IF he's already off the board at 10? Who would be Jones next top target? For my part, I see Jones doing something unexpected like taking one of Nesmith or Saddiq Bey early at 10. Nesmith Especially feels like a Jones type player too me. Grant Riller or Tyrell Terry for the guard considerations if we're being honest! :dontknow:
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Post#973 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:52 pm

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jredsaz wrote:The more I look at top 10 guys I feel like Haliburton is at the top of James Jones board. He has similar shooting number to Cam. Though Johnson was consistently better across the board Haliburton put up 41% on a nearly identical 3PAT Rate. His style of play also compliments the Suns system. He moves the ball very well. Even when playing off ball he is great at catching and making quick decisions. Has multiple years of college experience. Feel like he fits what Jones looks for in a prospect.

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And IF he's already off the board at 10? Who would be Jones next top target? For my part, I see Jones doing something unexpected like taking one of Nesmith or Saddiq Bey early at 10. Nesmith Especially feels like a Jones type player too me. Grant Riller or Tyrell Terry for the guard considerations if we're being honest! :dontknow:


I really think James Jones is too practical to take a serious look at a smaller guard like Terry in this draft, given the current makeup of the roster. Even Riller seems like a bit of a stretch. I think we're eyeing players 6'5" and up. With our focus on playmaking, I'd be much less surprised if we reached for Leandro Bolmaro, for instance. Josh Green also would not surprise (or disappoint) me.

It's also pretty obvious we need more length, so I almost expect us to snag one of these longboys in the draft. Several teams have too many picks and should be sellers on draft night: Celtics (4), New Orleans (4), Philly (5), Sactown (4). The way I see it, Sarver owes James Jones $3 million from last year's draft, which should be more than enough for a SRP.
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jredsaz wrote:The more I look at top 10 guys I feel like Haliburton is at the top of James Jones board. He has similar shooting number to Cam. Though Johnson was consistently better across the board Haliburton put up 41% on a nearly identical 3PAT Rate. His style of play also compliments the Suns system. He moves the ball very well. Even when playing off ball he is great at catching and making quick decisions. Has multiple years of college experience. Feel like he fits what Jones looks for in a prospect.

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And IF he's already off the board at 10? Who would be Jones next top target? For my part, I see Jones doing something unexpected like taking one of Nesmith or Saddiq Bey early at 10. Nesmith Especially feels like a Jones type player too me. Grant Riller or Tyrell Terry for the guard considerations if we're being honest! :dontknow:


I really think James Jones is too practical to take a serious look at a smaller guard like Terry in this draft, given the current makeup of the roster. Even Riller seems like a bit of a stretch. I think we're eyeing players 6'5" and up. With our focus on playmaking, I'd be much less surprised if we reached for Leandro Bolmaro, for instance. Josh Green also would not surprise (or disappoint) me.

It's also pretty obvious we need more length, so I almost expect us to snag one of these longboys in the draft. Several teams have too many picks and should be sellers on draft night: Celtics (4), New Orleans (4), Philly (5), Sactown (4). The way I see it, Sarver owes James Jones $3 million from last year's draft, which should be more than enough for a SRP.


I agree with you on definitely needing size! But I think Jones would absolutely consider either Tyrell Terry or Grant Riller for these specific reasons. Jones has shown a propensity to target and/ or prioritize shooting and high IQ players too. And with Tyrell Terry, You have both of those elite attributes present in his game. Now whilst he may not be 6'5 or big for a guard, He's still relatively already the same size as Tre Young ( a very reasonable comparison), Chris Paul, Kemba Walker, Damian Lillard, Donovan Mitchell, Allen Iverson, Mark Price, Rajon Rondo, Tony Parker, Isiah Thomas ( pistons). So obviously there's been countless smaller guards that have been really successful regardless of not being 6'5. An in terms of IQ, Terry had the highest reported score of anyone on the administered IQ test. So so that also could be a very attractive attribute to James Jones as well. Overall, I could see Jones targeting Terry for his ultra high IQ, And his ELITE shooting package. I think he'll definitely covet the immense gravity he'd create with his shooting, pulling defenders out of the paint for Book and Ayton to dominate.

And for Riller, He mentioned older players that would be more ready to contribute right away. Riller is an older player that has been highly productive and consistent for his entire 4 years at Charleston. And is widely considered to be one ( if not the best) offensive scorer in the class. He's elite as a penetrator and scorer around / at the rim. He's elite in his ability to hit the big shot. He creates immense gravity from his penetration to the hoop and advanced ball handling abilities. Basically he's one of the most solid, ready to contribute from day one guards in the draft, In the Fred Van Vleet mold. So I think for those reasons, Jones will target Riller very high on his big board too. Also, I think Jones either anticipates both of Haliburton and Hayes to not be there at 10 anyways, And is eyeing a trade back scenario with specific targets in mind! :wink:

As for Leandro Bolmero and Josh Green, I agree that both are very intriguing! However, I for my part think that with Bolmero, His really poor shooting will disqualify him from being a top consideration on Jones's list. I really like Green too, But I think that his inefficieny at scoring at the rim, As well as his lack of ability as a ISO scorer/ playmaker will also drop him from the top of Jones list as well. However, IF Jones does in fact look to trade back, Then he could of course still target either Bolmero or Green. But I personally don't see either of them being a priority on Jones big board, Given his proclivities towards high IQ players with elite shooting attributes. Lastly, I definitely strongly agree with you that we need size, length, athleticism and defense to be added to our wing and frontcourt positions. I really hope that he takes a deep look at the players we've been discussing in Paul Reed/ Jalen Smith/ Precious Achiuwa/ Pokusevski.

And then of course for the wings- Vassell/ Okoro/ Green/ Tyler Bey/ Saddiq Bey/ Trevelin Queen/ Elijah Hughes. Also agree that we definitely need to add at least two players ( with elite skillsets) from this draft to add further depth, Whilst also maintaining cap flexibility for free agency interests. We strongly need to consider bigs that are highly switchable defenders and have the range to also play some 5 too, As evidenced by Baynes always being injured, And Kaminsky being absolutely awful. The way I see it, All of Okobo, Diallo, Kaminsky can go. Jerome needs to be moved to a backup 3rd string catch and shoot role ( ala JJ Reddick)! That affords us at least 3 open roster spots to add actual tangible depth. 5 really IF you consider that we can still carry two ( two way / undrafted players) and still assign them to a G league team to develop, Even though we sold our own team ignorantly.
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Post#975 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:28 pm

Ironically enough! Here's a new bit of info on Tyrell Terry:
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Post#976 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:31 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259103/NBA-To-Hold-Draft-Lottery-Virtually-On-August-20th

I wonder if this is more or less what Bigfoot was alluding to yesterday? I believe that it was previously scheduled for Aug. 25th. Now moved up to a VIRTUAL DRAFT LOTTERY on the 20th. :dontknow:
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Post#977 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:00 pm

With Ayton playing like a timid child more games than not, perhaps we should reconsider drafting a center. Okongwu has the aggression Ayton does not, but can't switch like Ayton (who can?). Wiseman's a shot blocker and may have shooting chops and switchability. Drafting Wiseman might light a fire under Ayton. If his #1 priority is getting that max contract, well, nothing puts that at greater risk than having another highly-touted young player competing for your minutes. The FO, coaching staff, and even Ayton could all trot out the line that they're looking at a twin towers scenario, but we'll all know the stakes. Ayton's not driving the ball, finishing strong, stretching the floor or making plays, so he ain't a power forward, at least on offense.

I'm done picking on Book. He's come too far. Second-best SG in the league. With this squad, Book seems pretty capable of carrying an offense, at least most nights. The question for me now is whether our center has what it takes between the ears/under the ass to put us on a championship level. So I'm shifting my ire to Ayton. Tired of watching our #1 pick standing around watching the action.
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Post#978 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:59 am

Sorry for my outburst above, ahem. Back to business.

Just took a look at some different mocks around the web. A quick survey of players mocked to us by the people of the world:

This CBS guy has us taking Nesmith: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/mock-draft/expert/kyle-boone/

This one has us taking Saddiq Bey: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/mock-draft/expert/gary-parrish/

"mynbadraft" has us taking Vassell: http://www.mynbadraft.com/NBA-Mock-Draft

Vassell again: https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/2020-NBA-Mock-Draft-143661185/#143661185_13

NBC Sports Chicago has a conservative mock and is the only I've seen with Haliburton at #10: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/2020-nba-mock-draft-50#slide-36

His jabroni colleague (at NBC sports) has Hampton at #8 with Hayes falling to us at #10: https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/2020-nba-mock-draft-60-looking-ahead-league-reboot-nears#slide-13

Yahoo has us getting Hayes as well, with Nesmith making the leap to #7: https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-mock-draft-30-anthony-edwards-moves-to-no-1-164633107.html

This fool has us taking Cole Anthony: https://draftvalue.com/2020nbamockdraft/

Another fool works for Sports Illustrated (Anthony again): https://www.si.com/nba/2020/06/03/nba-mock-draft-latest-projections

"Steve" thinks Okongwu will slip to us: https://fanspeak.com/nba/2020-nba-mock-draft-steve/

This guy. Now this guy has us taking Vernon Carey. The balls on this guy: https://www.drafttek.com/2020-NBA-Draft/2020-NBA-Mock-Draft.asp

Speaking of balls, ain't no bigger balls around that "Joe" at "The Gamehouse." Has us passing on Hayes and Haliburton for Nico Mannion. Anthony at #5. Oturu at #8... Devin Vassell at #29. Monstrous balls, Joe's got.

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The most interesting thing about all of them, though, is that everyone projects at least a few players I really like falling into the second round. No excuse not to buy a SRP this year, Mr. Sarver and Mr. Jones.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#979 » by bwgood77 » Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:30 am

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:Sorry for my outburst above, ahem. Back to business.

Just took a look at some different mocks around the web. A quick survey of players mocked to us by the people of the world:



This CBS guy has us taking Nesmith: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/mock-draft/expert/kyle-boone/

This one has us taking Saddiq Bey: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/mock-draft/expert/gary-parrish/

"mynbadraft" has us taking Vassell: http://www.mynbadraft.com/NBA-Mock-Draft

Vassell again: https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/2020-NBA-Mock-Draft-143661185/#143661185_13

NBC Sports Chicago has a conservative mock and is the only I've seen with Haliburton at #10: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/2020-nba-mock-draft-50#slide-36

His jabroni colleague (at NBC sports) has Hampton at #8 with Hayes falling to us at #10: https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/2020-nba-mock-draft-60-looking-ahead-league-reboot-nears#slide-13

Yahoo has us getting Hayes as well, with Nesmith making the leap to #7: https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-mock-draft-30-anthony-edwards-moves-to-no-1-164633107.html

This fool has us taking Cole Anthony: https://draftvalue.com/2020nbamockdraft/

Another fool works for Sports Illustrated (Anthony again): https://www.si.com/nba/2020/06/03/nba-mock-draft-latest-projections

"Steve" thinks Okongwu will slip to us: https://fanspeak.com/nba/2020-nba-mock-draft-steve/

This guy. Now this guy has us taking Vernon Carey. The balls on this guy: https://www.drafttek.com/2020-NBA-Draft/2020-NBA-Mock-Draft.asp

Speaking of balls, ain't no bigger balls around that "Joe" at "The Gamehouse." Has us passing on Hayes and Haliburton for Nico Mannion. Anthony at #5. Oturu at #8... Devin Vassell at #29. Monstrous balls, Joe's got.

...

The most interesting thing about all of them, though, is that everyone projects at least a few players I really like falling into the second round. No excuse not to buy a SRP this year, Mr. Sarver and Mr. Jones.


I could imagine this post being made last year where that guy had us taking Cam Johnson. I seriously doubt Sarver will be buying any picks. Has he ever?
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#980 » by Blonde » Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:17 am

I’m trying to piece together a top 30 big board now that I’ve spent more time on prospects. Hoping to get my thoughts out there before the draft lottery next week. I think there’s a decent chance we end up trading our pick though.

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