Terrence Ross is averaging 60.6% Per touch. At some point, ORL needs to make him their #1 option like IND did for Warren

King Ken · Post #1 » by **King Ken** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:50 pm

Since the all star break, he's tops in the NBA with 60.6% at points per touch. Tops in the NBA with names like Zion Williamson, Cam Reddish, T.J. Warren, Brook Lopez, Norm Powell, Kawhi Leonard and Paul George.

https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PTS_PER_TOUCH&dir=1&CF=MIN*G*24&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star

Since Jan 1st, 1st at 51.3% PPT. I am not sure why Orlando just doesn't make him the #1 option. No one can stop him. I remember my Hawks playing him and we couldn't guard him for nothing and Cam was playing great defense and it wasn't enough. Why not make Ross your #1 option. Everything is screaming this is a 25-30ppg guy if the touches are there.

https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PTS_PER_TOUCH&dir=1&CF=MIN*G*24&DateFrom=01%2F01%2F2020

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #2 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:18 pm

King Ken wrote:Since the all star break, he's tops in the NBA with 60.6% at points per touch. Tops in the NBA with names like Zion Williamson, Cam Reddish, T.J. Warren, Brook Lopez, Norm Powell, Kawhi Leonard and Paul George.

https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PTS_PER_TOUCH&dir=1&CF=MIN*G*24&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star

Since Jan 1st, 1st at 51.3% PPT. I am not sure why Orlando just doesn't make him the #1 option. No one can stop him. I remember my Hawks playing him and we couldn't guard him for nothing and Cam was playing great defense and it wasn't enough. Why not make Ross your #1 option. Everything is screaming this is a 25-30ppg guy if the touches are there.

https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PTS_PER_TOUCH&dir=1&CF=MIN*G*24&DateFrom=01%2F01%2F2020

Only issue is TRoss doesn't have the handles to be a #1 option. He is a off ball screen shooter and always has the green light but to give him the ball would be a bad move.

thelead · Post #3 » by **thelead** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:14 pm

King Ken wrote:Since the all star break, he's tops in the NBA with 60.6% at points per touch. Tops in the NBA with names like Zion Williamson, Cam Reddish, T.J. Warren, Brook Lopez, Norm Powell, Kawhi Leonard and Paul George.

https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PTS_PER_TOUCH&dir=1&CF=MIN*G*24&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star

Since Jan 1st, 1st at 51.3% PPT. I am not sure why Orlando just doesn't make him the #1 option. No one can stop him. I remember my Hawks playing him and we couldn't guard him for nothing and Cam was playing great defense and it wasn't enough. Why not make Ross your #1 option. Everything is screaming this is a 25-30ppg guy if the touches are there.

https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PTS_PER_TOUCH&dir=1&CF=MIN*G*24&DateFrom=01%2F01%2F2020

Evan isn't passing the ball :lol:

fateis007 · Post #4 » by **fateis007** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:23 pm

He should get more touch, but right now he just bombs away off high screens mostly. So when he does get cold, its ugly. He is a very capable driver and super explosive, it would be nice to see him go hard to the basket and try and get some contact, mix up his game son. Pretty much every defender is going to run at him, so the opportunity is there. Besides that, the only other way I can see him being used on offense is in the pick and roll, which is not a focal point for us. Not sure he has the handles for that.

MagicFan101 · Post #5 » by **MagicFan101** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:51 pm

Ross is a great spark plus in the second unit where you can live with the flame on / off style of his game.

His flaws will be amplified in a starting role.

He has found his niche. Don’t mess that up.

Bergmaniac · Post #6 » by **Bergmaniac** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:55 pm

He's already pushing the limits of possible usage for a player of his skill set and forces plenty of tough shots. He doesn't have the handles to get more usage and his passing is quite bad.

Bakomagic · Post #7 » by **Bakomagic** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:56 pm

He also leads the league in points coming off screen (or something like that). He's pretty much unstoppable when he has it going and he is mixing in some back cuts and finishing at the rim. Like previously mentioned he cannot isolate effectively due to his lack of ball handling, but that shouldn't be an excuse imo, we should treat him like a ray Allen, Reggie Miller or Rip Hamilton and be more creative with getting him open for catch and shoot opportunities all over the floor not just curling near the top of the arc. his gravity is so strong that we should be getting a few layups a game from the big slipping to the basket after screening for him.

We should also use Fournier this way, instead of asking him to isolate and handle the ball in the pick and Roll so much both, are good enough ball handlers/athletes to attack over aggressive close outs but shouldn't be asked to be Doncic/Harden at the top of the key haha.

thelead · Post #8 » by **thelead** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:11 pm

Bakomagic wrote:He also leads the league in points coming off screen (or something like that). He's pretty much unstoppable when he has it going and he is mixing in some back cuts and finishing at the rim. Like previously mentioned he cannot isolate effectively due to his lack of ball handling, but that shouldn't be an excuse imo, we should treat him like a ray Allen, Reggie Miller or Rip Hamilton and be more creative with getting him open for catch and shoot opportunities all over the floor not just curling near the top of the arc. his gravity is so strong that we should be getting a few layups a game from the big slipping to the basket after screening for him.

We should also use Fournier this way, instead of asking him to isolate and handle the ball in the pick and Roll so much both, are good enough ball handlers/athletes to attack over aggressive close outs but shouldn't be asked to be Doncic/Harden at the top of the key haha.

Nailed it

tiderulz · Post #9 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:54 pm

King Ken wrote:Since the all star break, he's tops in the NBA with 60.6% at points per touch. Tops in the NBA with names like Zion Williamson, Cam Reddish, T.J. Warren, Brook Lopez, Norm Powell, Kawhi Leonard and Paul George.

https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PTS_PER_TOUCH&dir=1&CF=MIN*G*24&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star

Since Jan 1st, 1st at 51.3% PPT. I am not sure why Orlando just doesn't make him the #1 option. No one can stop him. I remember my Hawks playing him and we couldn't guard him for nothing and Cam was playing great defense and it wasn't enough. Why not make Ross your #1 option. Everything is screaming this is a 25-30ppg guy if the touches are there.

https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PTS_PER_TOUCH&dir=1&CF=MIN*G*24&DateFrom=01%2F01%2F2020

let alone #1 option, We've seen him just as a starter and his problem is he cant stay consistent. and then add in lack of handles. he always has a green light to shoot when he is playing.

fendilim · Post #10 » by **fendilim** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:09 pm

Tross cant create his own shot. Also, he can be wildly inconsistent, which makes him a good #1 option, off the bench aka the 6th man

cedric76 · Post #11 » by **cedric76** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:37 pm

No Thx

pepe1991 · Post #12 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:14 pm

Guy shoots 36% overall since return of basketball.
He is also playing big part of his PT against backups.

Riding hot hands makes sense when they are not incapable of doing more than simplistic off -curles catch&shoots.
Also it's matter of time when TJ goes back to Earth. Guy is having his version of Linesnity.

MagicFan101 · Post #13 » by **MagicFan101** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:20 pm

Per Woj, Ross has left the bubble for a “non-Covid medical matter” so for the short term at least this seems to have sorted itself out ...

zaymon · Post #14 » by **zaymon** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:30 pm

He was too afraid of his own power. Chose the exile.

basketballRob · Post #15 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:11 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:Per Woj, Ross has left the bubble for a “non-Covid medical matter” so for the short term at least this seems to have sorted itself out ...

I'll be happy seeing the young guys getting playing time in the last two games. Hopefully Bamba can get some minutes.

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Post #16 » by **Bensational** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:47 pm

This is one example of Clifford maximising his player's talents. Ross had been through Toronto for years and never found this kind of role. Now, it suits him perfectly and he is the biggest X factor on our team.

Cliff got Vuc to play at an all star level. He has Gordon playing within his abilities and the offense. Even MCW has returned to play inspired basketball.

The only players he hasn't really improved are Fournier, DJ and the young guys who need development.

You've gotta wonder what the starting lineup would look like with Ross' gravity on the perimeter. He's always being chased hard and closed out by multiple defenders. If that could be used to open up more lanes for Vuc/Gordon/Ennis/Fultz, and Cliff could get Ross to look for those passes as much as his shot, then it could be some pretty basketball.

But I'm sure Cliff would've tried that by now if he felt it would be successful.

drsd · Post #17 » by **drsd** » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:01 am

FUGDE ! Orlando loses its best bench player really, really sucks and the above stat line cannot be replaced.

pepe1991 · Post #18 » by **pepe1991** » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:19 am

Bensational wrote:This is one example of Clifford maximising his player's talents. Ross had been through Toronto for years and never found this kind of role. Now, it suits him perfectly and he is the biggest X factor on our team.

Cliff got Vuc to play at an all star level. He has Gordon playing within his abilities and the offense. Even MCW has returned to play inspired basketball.

The only players he hasn't really improved are Fournier, DJ and the young guys who need development.

You've gotta wonder what the starting lineup would look like with Ross' gravity on the perimeter. He's always being chased hard and closed out by multiple defenders. If that could be used to open up more lanes for Vuc/Gordon/Ennis/Fultz, and Cliff could get Ross to look for those passes as much as his shot, then it could be some pretty basketball.

But I'm sure Cliff would've tried that by now if he felt it would be successful.

Evan is having career year under him, 18,5 ppg on 59,5% TS is as good as you will get from role player :dontknow:

DJ last year had third highest BPM and the highest TS% of his career.

I really,really don't get Clifford critic. Simplistic offense? Because limited talent.

Problem with starting Ross is that off bench, nobody can't score.
Last year Magic "death" lineup was Dj, Evan,Ross, Gordon , Vuc. That lineup had net rating of +6,5, with 238 min played.

Weltman probably had nice idea in his head when he brought Fultz and Aminu.
Orginal plan was probably to use DJ and Ross as offensive punch off bench, with Aminu bringing stability and "shielding" Bamba as only young player from bench, surrounded with solid veterans. Let's face it, DJ- MCW- Ross- Aminu- Bamba bench sounds really nice. It's almost contending level bench.

Also eventual emerge of Isaac would made Gordon and/or Evan expendable for trades for actual or star or whoever.

But we all know how it played out. Isaac got hurt, Aminu got hurt, Bamba didn't make huge leap...

Cliff was open to try new stuff, there was period of time where he tried to squeeze Bamba into lineup with Vuc. He tried with Birch at PF. He moved MCW to SG almost exclusively, he tried DJ and Fultz lineup... It's just so damn hard to squeeze more from injuried roster that has so many challenges on offense even when everybody is healthy.

Post #19 » by **Bensational** » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:40 am

pepe1991 wrote:
Bensational wrote:This is one example of Clifford maximising his player's talents. Ross had been through Toronto for years and never found this kind of role. Now, it suits him perfectly and he is the biggest X factor on our team.

Cliff got Vuc to play at an all star level. He has Gordon playing within his abilities and the offense. Even MCW has returned to play inspired basketball.

The only players he hasn't really improved are Fournier, DJ and the young guys who need development.

You've gotta wonder what the starting lineup would look like with Ross' gravity on the perimeter. He's always being chased hard and closed out by multiple defenders. If that could be used to open up more lanes for Vuc/Gordon/Ennis/Fultz, and Cliff could get Ross to look for those passes as much as his shot, then it could be some pretty basketball.

But I'm sure Cliff would've tried that by now if he felt it would be successful.

Evan is having career year under him, 18,5 ppg on 59,5% TS is as good as you will get from role player

DJ last year had third highest BPM and the highest TS% of his career.

I really,really don't get Clifford critic. Simplistic offense? Because limited talent.

I wasn't criticising those guys, I just don't think Clifford has changed the way they play. The difference in their up seasons has been that they've been making shots and not missing them, but everything else looks the same as we've seen from them for years. Whereas Vuc and Gordon have become proper playmaking passers and started shooting from more efficient spots.

The rest of what you were saying I agree with more or less.