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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#841 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Aug 9, 2020 2:49 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
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Are We Ther Yet wrote:Trump EO to extend PAU for $400?


So he could've done the whole $600 but chose $400? This is an example of being "penny wise and dollar foolish."


Better than the $200 the Republicans were talking about. Less debt added while still giving something resembling a fair amount for a large part of the country. Seems like an attempt to meet in the middle. I hate Trump as much as the next guy but... I'll give him a shred of credit for at least trying to compromise as opposed to doing nothing. He and McConnel are both on record saying they would consider the $600...but at what cost?

I guess we will see a counter offer from Dems on this.



No, that’s it. Done. There is no more negotiation. And as for the debt, are your seriously concerned about that after all the tax cuts for corporations and the top 1% on top of all the waste in the defense budget? This is pennies compared to that.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#842 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Aug 9, 2020 4:17 pm

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Are We Ther Yet wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
So he could've done the whole $600 but chose $400? This is an example of being "penny wise and dollar foolish."


Better than the $200 the Republicans were talking about. Less debt added while still giving something resembling a fair amount for a large part of the country. Seems like an attempt to meet in the middle. I hate Trump as much as the next guy but... I'll give him a shred of credit for at least trying to compromise as opposed to doing nothing. He and McConnel are both on record saying they would consider the $600...but at what cost?

I guess we will see a counter offer from Dems on this.



No, that’s it. Done. There is no more negotiation. And as for the debt, are your seriously concerned about that after all the tax cuts for corporations and the top 1% on top of all the waste in the defense budget? This is pennies compared to that.


Hey man... I'm just talking about the facts around this topic. The debt has been driven up exponentially for decades. So...there will be no more stimulus package negotiations? The PAU benefits will be $400 extra and the states will have to pay 25%? Final answer? Oh well. That's that I guess. Still...better than the $200. People will have to make it work.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#843 » by GONYK » Sun Aug 9, 2020 5:49 pm

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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

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This headline was precisely designed to trigger Wingo


Yeah, why not add Hillary and Pat Robertson too. I understand that BallSacBounce is available.

By the way, I found a video clip of your from one of your parties. :D



You've got it all wrong.

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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#845 » by Pointgod » Sun Aug 9, 2020 11:47 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:Trump EO to extend PAU for $400?


So he could've done the whole $600 but chose $400? This is an example of being "penny wise and dollar foolish."


Better than the $200 the Republicans were talking about. Less debt added while still giving something resembling a fair amount for a large part of the country. Seems like an attempt to meet in the middle. I hate Trump as much as the next guy but... I'll give him a shred of credit for at least trying to compromise as opposed to doing nothing. He and McConnel are both on record saying they would consider the $600...but at what cost?

I guess we will see a counter offer from Dems on this.


I wrote this in another thread:

Except like everything with Trump it’s just the allusion that he’s doing something. He signed one executive order and couple of memorandums that don’t have any teeth.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/09/politics/trump-executive-actions-coronavirus-explainer/index.html

States have to chip in. Now, under Trump's measure, the federal government is requiring states to pick up the tab for 25% ($100) of the as much as $400 additional benefit each person may be able to receive weekly in additional aid. On top of that, a state must agree to enter into this financial agreement with the federal government for any unemployed person living there to get any of the additional benefits.

States are in dire financial straits. Many states have already asked the federal government for major financial help. Several experts told CNN there are major questions about how many states may be able to afford the extra cost.

If a state says that it does not have the funds or does want to enter into the agreement with the federal government, the unemployed person in that state receives zero dollars in extra federal benefits (they would still receive the normal state unemployment insurance).

In fact, states have asked Congress to provide them with an additional $500 billion to help shore up their budgets, which have been crushed by the loss of tax revenue amid the pandemic.


Like always Trump isn’t actually doing anything, he just wants the appearance of doing something and in the bigger picture the problem is that Republicans and The Whitehouse had their thumbs up their ass for 3 months after the Democrats passed a relief package back in May. Why give him any credit for doing little when he’s part of the problem in the first place. The Senate doesn’t need Democrats to come up with a package.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#846 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:49 am

Democrats are reaching out to "well-known military veterans" and "Republicans known for their military expertise," i.e. neocons, for the portion of the Convention devoted to foreign policy.

I guess we can expect to stay in the Middle East the next four years. But, hey, I guess it's me getting all triggered over the loss of more American lives on top of the lives of more innocent Middle Easterners and that'll take us to almost 25 years there over a completely ill-conceived war based on lies. Just Wingo being a little snowflake again. :lol:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/07/who-will-speak-at-dnc-392533

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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#847 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:22 am

Kamala would put some hydroxychoroquine in Mocha Joe's java.

GONYK, is she done now? :lol: Let's just go with Oprah FTW!

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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#848 » by Pointgod » Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:05 pm

Keep complaining about “Sleepy Joe” when you have a literal traitor in the whitehouse that would gladly let you all die if it meant he’d get a pat on the head from Putin.

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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#849 » by dakomish23 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:20 pm

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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#850 » by GONYK » Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:49 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
GONYK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Yeah, why not add Hillary and Pat Robertson too. I understand that BallSacBounce is available.

By the way, I found a video clip of your from one of your parties. :D



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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#851 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:44 pm

Pointgod wrote:Keep complaining about “Sleepy Joe” when you have a literal traitor in the whitehouse that would gladly let you all die if it meant he’d get a pat on the head from Putin.

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Sorry, but we don’t give up our 1st A rights to criticize Sleepy Joe just because we want Trump out of the White House. Why would you even want that? Getting something that’s simply “better than Trump” isn’t the goal here imo.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#852 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:03 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Pointgod wrote:Keep complaining about “Sleepy Joe” when you have a literal traitor in the whitehouse that would gladly let you all die if it meant he’d get a pat on the head from Putin.

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Sorry, but we don’t give up our 1st A rights to criticize Sleepy Joe just because we want Trump out of the White House. Why would you even want that? Getting something that’s simply “better than Trump” isn’t the goal here imo.


We all know the stakes involved with this election, so asserting the entitlement to say Sleepy Joe is choosing an awfully small hill to die on

If your sights are set for someone other than Joe Biden, you still have to elect Joe Biden to even have the option to back someone else at a later date, so yes "better than Trump" is the goal. It's a life or death goal actually. The only reason you would continue to run down the candidate who is your only chance for America to survive is just churlishness, not an effective strategy to get what you want. The only strategy that will work for you is to win now and keep at it. The alternative is annihilation and you know it
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#853 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:41 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Pointgod wrote:Keep complaining about “Sleepy Joe” when you have a literal traitor in the whitehouse that would gladly let you all die if it meant he’d get a pat on the head from Putin.

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Sorry, but we don’t give up our 1st A rights to criticize Sleepy Joe just because we want Trump out of the White House. Why would you even want that? Getting something that’s simply “better than Trump” isn’t the goal here imo.


We all know the stakes involved with this election, so asserting the entitlement to say Sleepy Joe is ____________ ?? choosing an awfully small hill to die on

If your sights are set for someone other than Joe Biden, you still have to elect Joe Biden to even have the option to back someone else at a later date, so yes "better than Trump" is the goal. It's a life or death goal actually. The only reason you would continue to run down the candidate who is your only chance for America to survive is just churlishness, not an effective strategy to get what you want. The only strategy that will work for you is to win now and keep at it. The alternative is annihilation and you know it


Dude, I'm trying to HELP Biden. :lol:

I think you might've left out an important word in the first paragraph so I didn't get the full flavor of the point you were trying to make there. But I did get "the small hill" point and I disagree with it "strongly." (See, I know the best words.) It's not a "small hill" to fight for M4A particularly during a pandemic. It's not a "small hill" to fight for Marijuana Legalization/Criminal Justice/Police reform. And it's not a "small hill" to fight for a smarter foreign policy that will keep us out of Venezuela and South America, which appear to be our next hit. We fight for these things every day no matter who is office. Let's be honest, if Biden loses to Trump, it won't be because the left tried to keep him away from the center at a dire time when we all know that progressive polices are popular amongst Democrats. See? I'm trying to HELP Sleepy Joe!

As to your second point, no, there is no other choice other than Biden. That's a done deal. I think you give me way too much credit because I betcha dollars to donuts that my opinions here on this forum are not going to change anyone's vote in November. But I am hoping to change some minds over what we need to fight for going forward.

This conversation here on RealGM amongst us friends is just an intellectual debate over how we get the country to the place we need it to be in the shortest amount of time as possible. We only have 10 years to turn around climate change. Homelessness in our major cities is out of control. There is a mass exodus from the cities due to the virus. We have so many problems here right now and Joe Biden is just so out of it. And then has the temerity to bring in all of these fcking Bush/Cheney neocons and military people to speak at the Convention? So, yeah, I'll be every step of the way and pulling Joe's card when does stupid things. Which brings me to my final point.

If you think I'm a pain in the ass now, just wait until Biden takes office. :lol:

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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#854 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:02 pm

They wit me :naaa:

https://www.blackenterprise.com/ice-cube-joins-charlamagne-diddy-against-biden-democrats-lets-hold-the-black-vote-hostage-until-theres-a-black-agenda-were-satisfied-with/

ICE CUBE JOINS CHARLAMAGNE, DIDDY, AGAINST BIDEN DEMOCRATS: ‘LET’S HOLD THE BLACK VOTE HOSTAGE UNTIL THERE’S A BLACK AGENDA WE’RE SATISFIED WITH’
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On May 24, Ice Cube tweeted, “Hold the Black vote hostage until one of ’em comes with A Black Agenda that we’re satisfied with. It’s not our job to fix the country’s mess until we fix our mess…#****.”

The hip-hop icon’s tweet falls in line with a sentiment Sean “Diddy” Combs recently shared during an interview with Naomi Campbell when he called for Black people to hold off giving Joe Biden and the Democrats support until the Black community’s issues and needs are addressed.

“We want to know very clearly. Just like Trump made it clear that he wanted to build a wall, Biden needs to make it clear that he’s gonna change the lives and quality of life of Black and Brown people,” Diddy said. “Or else he can’t get the vote. I will hold the vote hostage if I have to.”

In the interview on Campbell’s web series, “No Filter with Naomi,” Diddy declared the “Black vote ain’t free.” More people seem to be following this belief especially after the presumptive presidential Democrat’s interview on The Breakfast Club with Charlamagne Tha God.

Nina Turner, national co-chair of the Bernie Sanders 2020 presidential campaign, tweeted, “The @DNC must stop playing games with our votes. And to my Beloved Black Community: Now is the time! We owe it to our ancestors, ourselves and to our future to seize this moment for the uplift of our people. This assignment is forever!#Iaintblack“

During the interview, Biden seemingly questioned Charlamagne’s — and any other undecided Black voter’s — Blackness by saying Black people who don’t vote for him“ain’t Black.”

Biden later backtracked and expressed remorse for acting so “cavalier,” insisting that he’s “never, never, ever taken the African-American community for granted,” Hot News Hip Hop reported.

Shortly after Diddy’s declaration, Biden released his plan for Black America called, “Lift Every Voice.”

Now, after The Breakfast Club interview, the Biden campaign reposted highlights from the plan on Instagram.

According to the post, “The Biden Plan for Black America” will close the wealth and income gap by investing in African-American workers, businesses, and communities, TheGrio reported. The post also stressed that a Biden administration would push for health equity and address racial inequity.

“I shouldn’t have been such a wise guy. I shouldn’t have been so cavalier…I have never, ever taken the African-American community for granted,” Biden said, according to journalist Yamiche Alcindor. “No one should have to vote for any party based on their race, background, religion, or any demographic information.”

While the sentiment of Diddy, Charlemagne, and now Ice Cube seems to be gaining momentum, other Black voters say now is not the time to put the election on the line.

Holding the Black vote hostage is irresponsible and puts the Black community in danger, wrote Christina M. Greer, an associate professor at Fordham University and the author of “Black Ethnics: Race, Immigration, and the Pursuit of the American Dream.” Greer co-hosts the podcast FAQ-NYC, and is the political editor at The Grio.

While Greer said she agrees with Diddy that Biden and the Democrats cannot take the Black vote for granted, she feels holding the Black vote hostage “would be detrimental to not only the Black community but the nation (and world) for generations to come.”




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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#855 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:44 pm

One final point and then I'm done. I think you neolibs will like this.

I'm even open to the idea that even if you DO NOT live in swing state, like NY, we should all vote for Biden because we need to run up the score when Trump challenges the election.

Before, my strategy was that if you didn't live in a swing state, you could afford to vote for a third candidate in protest. I'm scrapping that for this election. We need to run up the score.

See? I can compromise.

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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#856 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:09 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:

Sorry, but we don’t give up our 1st A rights to criticize Sleepy Joe just because we want Trump out of the White House. Why would you even want that? Getting something that’s simply “better than Trump” isn’t the goal here imo.


We all know the stakes involved with this election, so asserting the entitlement to say Sleepy Joe is ____________ ?? choosing an awfully small hill to die on

If your sights are set for someone other than Joe Biden, you still have to elect Joe Biden to even have the option to back someone else at a later date, so yes "better than Trump" is the goal. It's a life or death goal actually. The only reason you would continue to run down the candidate who is your only chance for America to survive is just churlishness, not an effective strategy to get what you want. The only strategy that will work for you is to win now and keep at it. The alternative is annihilation and you know it


Dude, I'm trying to HELP Biden. :lol:

I think you might've left out an important word in the first paragraph so I didn't get the full flavor of the point you were trying to make there. But I did get "the small hill" point and I disagree with it "strongly." (See, I know the best words.) It's not a "small hill" to fight for M4A particularly during a pandemic. It's not a "small hill" to fight for Marijuana Legalization/Criminal Justice/Police reform. And it's not a "small hill" to fight for a smarter foreign policy that will keep us out of Venezuela and South America, which appear to be our next hit. We fight for these things every day no matter who is office. Let's be honest, if Biden loses to Trump, it won't be because the left tried to keep him away from the center at a dire time when we all know that progressive polices are popular amongst Democrats. See? I'm trying to HELP Sleepy Joe!

As to your second point, no, there is no other choice other than Biden. That's a done deal. I think you give me way too much credit because I betcha dollars to donuts that my opinions here on this forum are not going to change anyone's vote in November. But I am hoping to change some minds over what we need to fight for going forward.

This conversation here on RealGM amongst us friends is just an intellectual debate over how we get the country to the place we need it to be in the shortest amount of time as possible. We only have 10 years to turn around climate change. Homelessness in our major cities is out of control. There is a mass exodus from the cities due to the virus. We have so many problems here right now and Joe Biden is just so out of it. And then has the temerity to bring in all of these fcking Bush/Cheney neocons and military people to speak at the Convention? So, yeah, I'll be every step of the way and pulling Joe's card when does stupid things. Which brings me to my final point.

If you think I'm a pain in the ass now, just wait until Biden takes office. :lol:


I don't recall anyone ever saying don't lobby for the issues. Did I ever tell you that? No, I have not. In fact, I was the one who predicted everything that would happen. I said Bernie needed to collaborate with Joe and he did. I said you have a historical opportunity to push the party left and I was right. So keep fighting for the issues. I believe in that. Leave the poo flinging to monkeys and right wing idiots.

And I think you're 100% correct that we are about to see a wave of homelessness unlike anything seen in our lifetimes and I remember NYC when Reagan released the patients from the mental hospitals and the city was flooded with mental patients. This is not going to be anything like that. This is going to be joe blow next door out on the streets and sleeping in their car if they can pay the insurance premium and fill the tank with gas. The chit is about to get really bad which is why I want I ask you to focus on that and not the ridiculous bashing against Biden. Wrong battle, right war.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#857 » by j4remi » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:10 pm

If a person chooses not to vote for Joe Biden because people made "sleepy Joe" jokes, were they ever gonna vote for him to begin with? The two types I see highly critical of Biden are

a) People who are heavy progressive, many because they've been in desperate situations which neither party addressed in a satisfactory way. So these people aren't comparing the two beyond, "my life has only improved superficially regardless of the lead"
or
b) People who only get cliff's notes versions of politics because they're not that into it. So these heads can fall into the false equivalence trap between Biden and Trump.

In both cases, I've found that acknowledgement of their frustrations is the easiest starting place followed by an appeal to damage control...then you can cite some easy examples where Trump compares miserably to Obama (ICE and Pandemic response being the easiest).
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Post#858 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:16 pm

j4remi wrote:If a person chooses not to vote for Joe Biden because people made "sleepy Joe" jokes, were they ever gonna vote for him to begin with? The two types I see highly critical of Biden are

a) People who are heavy progressive, many because they've been in desperate situations which neither party addressed in a satisfactory way. So these people aren't comparing the two beyond, "my life has only improved superficially regardless of the lead"
or
b) People who only get cliff's notes versions of politics because they're not that into it. So these heads can fall into the false equivalence trap between Biden and Trump.

In both cases, I've found that acknowledgement of their frustrations is the easiest starting place followed by an appeal to damage control...then you can cite some easy examples where Trump compares miserably to Obama (ICE and Pandemic response being the easiest).


(1) Yes, America is full of low-info, bad content voters who do vote based on stupid memes, so you don't know that it won't affect voters.

(2) And even if it doesn't affect the vote, I still wish to see people I can agree with on actual issues not to roll in the mud with the trolls.

(3) These stupid fcking memes are generated by the opposition and they count on people repeating them until it turns into a universal theme regardless of political orientation. The intelligence community made it very clear Russia is very active again in this election and their bot farms push Sleepy Joe wisecracks, so I hate seeing leftists carry their memes. It disgusts me.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#859 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:17 pm

j4remi wrote:If a person chooses not to vote for Joe Biden because people made "sleepy Joe" jokes, were they ever gonna vote for him to begin with? The two types I see highly critical of Biden are

a) People who are heavy progressive, many because they've been in desperate situations which neither party addressed in a satisfactory way. So these people aren't comparing the two beyond, "my life has only improved superficially regardless of the lead"
or
b) People who only get cliff's notes versions of politics because they're not that into it. So these heads can fall into the false equivalence trap between Biden and Trump.

In both cases, I've found that acknowledgement of their frustrations is the easiest starting place followed by an appeal to damage control...then you can cite some easy examples where Trump compares miserably to Obama (ICE and Pandemic response being the easiest).



I would add a group (c) being those political junkies who've followed and/or studied politics for decades and understand how neoliberal political ideology over that period of time brought us to the point that gave Trump the presidency.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#860 » by GONYK » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:19 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:One final point and then I'm done. I think you neolibs will like this.

I'm even open to the idea that even if you DO NOT live in swing state, like NY, we should all vote for Biden because we need to run up the score when Trump challenges the election.

Before, my strategy was that if you didn't live in a swing state, you could afford to vote for a third candidate in protest. I'm scrapping that for this election. We need to run up the score.

See? I can compromise.

BYAAAAAAAAAAH!

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