2020 Draft Thread

[Scoots1994]

So there's a lot of talk about Ayton being improved, especially defending on the perimeter off switches.

If Suns get in the playoffs and he plays well, that might change the thinking towards Wiseman.

Only for people who were already dismissing Ayton. There is still limited data on Wiseman. Even Kerr said he hadn't yet talked to him.

[Scoots1994]

In no particular order: Wiseman, Okongwu, Avdija, Edwards, Haliburton.

[ShayDee]

What's your best guess for the franchise's top5 board?

1. Edwards
2. Avdija
3. Haliburton
4. Vassell
5. Okongwu

Thats my guess based on everything Ive heard / read about Bob & co.’s thinking.


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I've heard a lot of this takes from our blog guys and writers as well. At this point either they don't like Wiseman, scouting is bad or there is smoke somewhere. How can after all this time for scouting htey don't see Wiseman/Edwards/Ball as the best 3 BPAs? Everytime Wiseman is mentioned they get so frightened about going in depth about him and brush him over, I feel the FO probably tells them to always downplay Wiseman.

Like If you are top 5 why the hell would you not take BPA? Some of them saying the FO want Haliburton at 2 if Edwards is gone? Are you kidding me LMAO? How much can Haliburton create his shot? Against NBA D? How strong is he? Can he guard quicker 1s or longer and stronger 2? Can he hit 3s or even shots off dribble 3s? Can he get to the rim?

I do believe they like all these guys though, but above Wiseman who is the BPA+fit in top 5 is just ridiculous

[vetmin]

What's your best guess for the franchise's top5 board?

1. Edwards
2. Avdija
3. Haliburton
4. Vassell
5. Okongwu

Thats my guess based on everything Ive heard / read about Bob & co.’s thinking.


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Seriously? No Wiseman, even in the top 5?

Its not my big board, its my guess at what GSW’s big board is based on all the reporting Ive seen / heard since like Feb. Like a month or two ago it was pretty widely reported that GSW isnt high on Lamelo or Wiseman. The most Wiseman-positive reporting Ive seen is Ric Bucher’s claim that theyre high on him, which was not seen as credible by others on the beat, and the more recent claim that Wiseman is high on their list as someone theyd like to see in person, which... of course lol. That’s probably true of every team in the lottery. It’d be negligent not to give those kinds of physical tools a close look and consideration

Theres also other reporting that seems to back up the above, like Kerr saying Green will play more center next year and everyone being so high on Chriss, who is made redundant by Wiseman.

One can wave all that away and say its smoke, fake news, etc but then its anyones guess and youre simply projecting your own personal board onto theirs (Im smart and I love Wiseman, and theyre smart so they must love him too).

Personally I like Wiseman in the top 2 alongside Edwards.


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[Scoots1994]

1. Edwards
2. Avdija
3. Haliburton
4. Vassell
5. Okongwu

Thats my guess based on everything Ive heard / read about Bob & co.’s thinking.

Seriously? No Wiseman, even in the top 5?

Its not my big board, its my guess at what GSW’s big board is based on all the reporting Ive seen / heard since like Feb. Like a month or two ago it was pretty widely reported that GSW isnt high on Lamelo or Wiseman. The most Wiseman-positive reporting Ive seen is Ric Bucher’s claim that theyre high on him, which was not seen as credible by others on the beat, and the more recent claim that Wiseman is high on their list as someone theyd like to see in person, which... of course lol. That’s probably true of every team in the lottery. It’d be negligent not to give those kinds of physical tools a close look and consideration

Theres also other reporting that seems to back up the above, like Kerr saying Green will play more center next year and everyone being so high on Chriss, who is made redundant by Wiseman.

One can wave all that away and say its smoke, fake news, etc but then its anyones guess and youre simply projecting your own personal board onto theirs (Im smart and I love Wiseman, and theyre smart so they must love him too).

Personally I like Wiseman in the top 2 alongside Edwards.

Green playing 5 down the stretch and Chriss being on the roster doesn't really rule out Wiseman. They have 48 minutes to fill in that spot, If Chriss gets 20 and Wiseman gets 20 and Green gets 8 you are there. The reality is that if Wiseman is ready for a McGee type role then that's less than 15 minutes for him, and the other 20-35 minutes per game during the regular season would go to a combination of Chriss, Looney, and Green. They want to keep Green and Looney's minutes down in the regular seaosn and to do so they need other big talent on the roster.

[vetmin]

What's your best guess for the franchise's top5 board?

1. Edwards
2. Avdija
3. Haliburton
4. Vassell
5. Okongwu

Thats my guess based on everything Ive heard / read about Bob & co.’s thinking.


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I've heard a lot of this takes from our blog guys and writers as well. At this point either they don't like Wiseman, scouting is bad or there is smoke somewhere. How can after all this time for scouting htey don't see Wiseman/Edwards/Ball as the best 3 BPAs? Everytime Wiseman is mentioned they get so frightened about going in depth about him and brush him over, I feel the FO probably tells them to always downplay Wiseman.

Like If you are top 5 why the hell would you not take BPA? Some of them saying the FO want Haliburton at 2 if Edwards is gone? Are you kidding me LMAO? How much can Haliburton create his shot? Against NBA D? How strong is he? Can he guard quicker 1s or longer and stronger 2? Can he hit 3s or even shots off dribble 3s? Can he get to the rim?

I do believe they like all these guys though, but above Wiseman who is the BPA+fit in top 5 is just ridiculous

In my heart I'm with you, but honestly these takes kinda ring true to me. I just think we kinda suck scouting-wise (maybe Lacob nepotism is the culprit here...) and might be a little stubborn about roster construction / style of play. In a vacuum I think Haliburton would be a nice fit on this team, but I hate the idea of wasting a high pick on him... yet if this FO did that, would it surprise us? Wouldn't it just be the lottery version of the Jacob Evans pick? Setting aside my hopes for Jordan Poole, that was a bad pick too. (KEVIN PORTER!!! is what I yelled at the screen.) Smailagic was an embarrassing pick. Paschall I suspect might've been more luck than light years.

Passing on the better prospect because he isn't Iguodala-ish enough or Livingston-ish enough just feels like the kind of dumb thing we'd do. I sincerely hope we go #1 because that's like the only spot where I trust us to not make a bad decision (i.e., the assumption being that they'd go with Edwards, who -- even if you like Wiseman better -- is not a BAD pick at #1).

[vetmin]

Seriously? No Wiseman, even in the top 5?

Its not my big board, its my guess at what GSW’s big board is based on all the reporting Ive seen / heard since like Feb. Like a month or two ago it was pretty widely reported that GSW isnt high on Lamelo or Wiseman. The most Wiseman-positive reporting Ive seen is Ric Bucher’s claim that theyre high on him, which was not seen as credible by others on the beat, and the more recent claim that Wiseman is high on their list as someone theyd like to see in person, which... of course lol. That’s probably true of every team in the lottery. It’d be negligent not to give those kinds of physical tools a close look and consideration

Theres also other reporting that seems to back up the above, like Kerr saying Green will play more center next year and everyone being so high on Chriss, who is made redundant by Wiseman.

One can wave all that away and say its smoke, fake news, etc but then its anyones guess and youre simply projecting your own personal board onto theirs (Im smart and I love Wiseman, and theyre smart so they must love him too).

Personally I like Wiseman in the top 2 alongside Edwards.

Green playing 5 down the stretch and Chriss being on the roster doesn't really rule out Wiseman. They have 48 minutes to fill in that spot, If Chriss gets 20 and Wiseman gets 20 and Green gets 8 you are there. The reality is that if Wiseman is ready for a McGee type role then that's less than 15 minutes for him, and the other 20-35 minutes per game during the regular season would go to a combination of Chriss, Looney, and Green. They want to keep Green and Looney's minutes down in the regular seaosn and to do so they need other big talent on the roster.

I meant more in terms of role than minutes. Chriss and Wiseman would both be McGee types (Wiseman is the better one, obviously, but if they feel like they already have an adequate lob threat in Chriss, they might be inclined to use their pick to address a different need).

[wco81]

If they don't think Wiseman can play more than 20 MPG, at some point in his first few years, they should draft someone else.

Top 5 pick isn't for a 20 MPG player.

[Mylie10]

What's your best guess for the franchise's top5 board?

1. Edwards
2. Avdija
3. Haliburton
4. Vassell
5. Okongwu

Thats my guess based on everything Ive heard / read about Bob & co.’s thinking.


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The Warriors have talked virtually to both Wiseman and Ball. Maybe don’t get your info from Newsbreak

https://www.google.com/amp/s/goldengatesports.com/2020/06/04/golden-state-warriors-lamelo-ball-james-wiseman/amp/

[ShayDee]

What's your best guess for the franchise's top5 board?

1. Edwards
2. Avdija
3. Haliburton
4. Vassell
5. Okongwu

Thats my guess based on everything Ive heard / read about Bob & co.’s thinking.


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The Warriors have talked virtually to both Wiseman and Ball. Maybe don’t get your info from Newsbreak

https://www.google.com/amp/s/goldengatesports.com/2020/06/04/golden-state-warriors-lamelo-ball-james-wiseman/amp/

They have yea, but the way Connor and Wes talk about Wiseman it's like they know he's not on the warriors radar

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/3-mock-drafts-one-podcast/id1353317451?i=1000487204216

[cdubbz]

I'm excited for Jordan Pooles growth. If he can become a solid and confident 3 point shooter next season I'm happy. Be a 3point threat and a guy who can go off for 10points in a qtr is needed off the bench. Our Lou Will/Gary Trent Jr

[KevinMcreynolds]

who we "sending" to the virtual lottery? I say Rocco

[vetmin]

What's your best guess for the franchise's top5 board?

1. Edwards
2. Avdija
3. Haliburton
4. Vassell
5. Okongwu

Thats my guess based on everything Ive heard / read about Bob & co.’s thinking.


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The Warriors have talked virtually to both Wiseman and Ball. Maybe don’t get your info from Newsbreak

https://www.google.com/amp/s/goldengatesports.com/2020/06/04/golden-state-warriors-lamelo-ball-james-wiseman/amp/

I know theyve Zoomed with them (they did with Killian Hayes too), but thats the lowest bar to clear in this whole process, if its even a bar at all. Theyd be negligent not to do their due diligence evaluating everyone reasonably within their draft range who has any kind of potential.

I said as much in a comment above yours acknowledging that theyre reportedly very interested in working out Wiseman. Even if they suspect hes not their guy, with his physical tools you still wanna see him in action. What if his jumper looks better than even those highest on him expected? You cant risk missing out on that, even if you think the chances are slim.

Dont confuse due diligence with a team being actually high on someone


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[Mylie10]

1. Edwards
2. Avdija
3. Haliburton
4. Vassell
5. Okongwu

Thats my guess based on everything Ive heard / read about Bob & co.’s thinking.


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The Warriors have talked virtually to both Wiseman and Ball. Maybe don’t get your info from Newsbreak

https://www.google.com/amp/s/goldengatesports.com/2020/06/04/golden-state-warriors-lamelo-ball-james-wiseman/amp/

They have yea, but the way Connor and Wes talk about Wiseman it's like they know he's not on the warriors radar

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/3-mock-drafts-one-podcast/id1353317451?i=1000487204216

Connor L. Hasn’t been right about anything. I wouldn’t put any stock in what Betty from accounting has to say on who the Warriors want to draft.

[Mylie10]

1. Edwards
2. Avdija
3. Haliburton
4. Vassell
5. Okongwu

Thats my guess based on everything Ive heard / read about Bob & co.’s thinking.


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The Warriors have talked virtually to both Wiseman and Ball. Maybe don’t get your info from Newsbreak

https://www.google.com/amp/s/goldengatesports.com/2020/06/04/golden-state-warriors-lamelo-ball-james-wiseman/amp/

I know theyve Zoomed with them (they did with Killian Hayes too), but thats the lowest bar to clear in this whole process, if its even a bar at all. Theyd be negligent not to do their due diligence evaluating everyone reasonably within their draft range who has any kind of potential.

I said as much in a comment above yours acknowledging that theyre reportedly very interested in working out Wiseman. Even if they suspect hes not their guy, with his physical tools you still wanna see him in action. What if his jumper looks better than even those highest on him expected? You cant risk missing out on that, even if you think the chances are slim.

Dont confuse due diligence with a team being actually high on someone


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I didn’t. Of course the Warriors will do the due diligence. To think they wouldn’t is asinine. However, there is no clear and actual signal on any player, so leaving them out of a top 5 because of what some looney writers think is crazy. Maybe you didn’t do that, but it seems like you did.

The point is, anything said about who they like and don’t like is pure speculation, and can’t be counted on at all. They don’t even know their draft position yet. And teams never give clear info on guys this early in the process if at all.

[vetmin]

I didn’t. Of course the Warriors will do the due diligence. To think they wouldn’t is asinine. However, there is no clear and actual signal on any player, so leaving them out of a top 5 because of what some looney writers think is crazy. Maybe you didn’t do that, but it seems like you did.

The point is, anything said about who they like and don’t like is pure speculation, and can’t be counted on at all. They don’t even know their draft position yet. And teams never give clear info on guys this early in the process if at all.

No I did, lol, but only because the looney writers and their ‘sources’ seem to jive with the way the Warriors have approached the draft in recent years — sacrificing upside for a prospect supposedly being more ready on day 1. Of course this lotto pick will be somewhat uncharted territory, but given that its a weak draft with a number of solid ready-now players, that seems right in GSW’s wheelhouse. Any hypothetical top 5 like this forces you to make value judgments about the available info, and in this case it feels less crazy to me to lean on supposedly sourced intel that feels in-character for the org than to lean on the fact that some Zoom calls that were guaranteed to happen did in fact happen.

Does ‘sources say’ constitute a clear and concrete signal? Of course not, but usually its the best you get. We’re all just speculating here.


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[GQ Hot Dog]

I'm excited for Jordan Pooles growth. If he can become a solid and confident 3 point shooter next season I'm happy. Be a 3point threat and a guy who can go off for 10points in a qtr is needed off the bench. Our Lou Will/Gary Trent Jr

Yeah, how nice has Gary Trent been? Lights out shooter and gets after it defensively. Not much of a ballhandler, doesn't score well beneath the 3pt line and not much of a passer but he's a perfect example of just how useful a 3-D wing can be off the bench.

Poole has more potential as an on-ball guard off the bench and his shot looks good, he just has to spend months in the gym to get it sorted. Really good ballhandler and passer as well. Defensively it's a work in progress.

[The Maestro]

Wiseman, Edwards or Ball. Hopefully they get one of the 3.

[Mylie10]

who we "sending" to the virtual lottery? I say Rocco

I was thinking about a Klay and Rocco cardboard cut out

[Mylie10]

I think the lack of college film is what is shaping some of the negative Wiseman sourcing. Of course that has some validity if you don’t do further research.

But what we knew prior to this season was that he was the number one player for his class basically since being known. The guy is only adding to his game now, and has been working hard on it since he had to walk away from Memphis.

The measurables are off the charts. He appears to have a great demeanor and is coach able. His skill set fits extremely well into what we need.

And the Chriss angle has no bearing to me because Chriss struggles mightily in matchups against much bigger dudes. So Wiseman fills a need there also as a bigger longer player, which we need in the West.

I don’t value writers who can’t see the fit and talent. He’s clearly the best player and also a great fit. Some of those same writers were touting Ball very early on, and I can shoot holes in the Ball argument all day long.