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Fischella wrote:I think Wiseman's sorta like
floor; Damian Jones
mid; JaVale McGee
ceiling; better character Whiteside
big-shot-ROB wrote:Wiseman isn't that good tbh. Not right now at least. And given how much wing ball-handling players affect winning and how little centers with no creation skills do, I'm not sure he has that much value as a top-3 pick.
Have we forgotten how much Davis, Cousins, Embiid, etc. have struggled to produce any winning?
doordoor123 wrote:big-shot-ROB wrote:Wiseman isn't that good tbh. Not right now at least. And given how much wing ball-handling players affect winning and how little centers with no creation skills do, I'm not sure he has that much value as a top-3 pick.
Have we forgotten how much Davis, Cousins, Embiid, etc. have struggled to produce any winning?
He’s not that good, he’ll be a 19 year old rookie who has dealt with a lot of injuries. But his physical ability and size is still an outlier. His hands, ability to rebound at the apex with a super long wingspans and run the floor at his size is super impressive for anyone without skill. And there are reasons to believe he’s better than he’s shown with the ball in his hands, based on his ability in high school. It was the same with Adebayo when he went to college. He played a different game than he does now, but we all knew what he was able to do in high school. To compare him to players who can’t run, aren’t good rebounders, and doesn’t have his size is asinine. You don’t see players like this very often. SUre bigs are more likely #2 or 3 guys on a team, but IMO there aren’t any #1 options in this draft.
getrichordie wrote:
getrichordie wrote:
God Squad wrote:getrichordie wrote:
Comp on Woodard? This video makes him look very Danny Granger esque.
getrichordie wrote:God Squad wrote:getrichordie wrote:
Comp on Woodard? This video makes him look very Danny Granger esque.
I think Granger was much better at attacking the rim was more polished as a shooter. It feels like Woodard is just starting to find his shot as a player.
He has flashed some awesome crossover ability, but he struggles with simple things at times like gathering the ball for a shot once he's near the rim or he will slow up near the rim, which is indicative of low confidence in that area of his game.
As of right now I see him as a primarily C&S guy who can shoot a little off movement and make some 1-dribble pull-ups and be a really solid defender. To me, he screams Ariza.
getrichordie wrote:draft prospects.
3. Jalen Crutcher — 18.9 — 1.378
6. Joel Ayayi — 13.7 — 1.342
15. Corey Kispert — 14.5 — 1.282
nolang1 wrote:Bolmaro signed a new contract with Barcelona, so it doesn't seem like he'd be playing in the NBA for at least next season.
https://www.fcbarcelona.es/es/baloncesto/primer-equipo/noticias/1752596/leandro-bolmaro-blaugrana-fins-al-2023?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=fcbbasket&utm_campaign=38348b4d-983c-474a-8563-b6c649910b7e#
Roddy B for 3 wrote:getrichordie wrote:God Squad wrote:Comp on Woodard? This video makes him look very Danny Granger esque.
I think Granger was much better at attacking the rim was more polished as a shooter. It feels like Woodard is just starting to find his shot as a player.
He has flashed some awesome crossover ability, but he struggles with simple things at times like gathering the ball for a shot once he's near the rim or he will slow up near the rim, which is indicative of low confidence in that area of his game.
As of right now I see him as a primarily C&S guy who can shoot a little off movement and make some 1-dribble pull-ups and be a really solid defender. To me, he screams Ariza.
Ariza in his prime was one of the best wing defenders in the NBA.
I think the young guy in the NBA right now who reminds me the most of Trevor Ariza is Mikal Bridges who looks like a VERY good draft pick at #11, in a VERY good draft.
Now, I haven't scouted Woodard, so this is an honest question, do you see Ariza in his game, or "a poor man's Trevor Ariza"?
Let me also note although Trevor has been in the NBA well over ten years, he was still an obvious defensive + playing at PF this season. Trevor is definitely a modern hyprid forward as far as his positional size. Does Woodard have that size? And do you honestly think he projects to be an elite level defender who can shoot 36+% career from 3 and be a very good transition scoring threat?
Because if you say yes, I'll scout him because that's a lottory pick. If he's a poor man's Ariza, how poor? A defensive stopper who shoots threes on a bad team or a good team? Do you honestly think his shooting will translate to 36+% career?
Stillwater wrote:nolang1 wrote:Bolmaro signed a new contract with Barcelona, so it doesn't seem like he'd be playing in the NBA for at least next season.
https://www.fcbarcelona.es/es/baloncesto/primer-equipo/noticias/1752596/leandro-bolmaro-blaugrana-fins-al-2023?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=fcbbasket&utm_campaign=38348b4d-983c-474a-8563-b6c649910b7e#
does that mean he is not in the draft then? I mean I guess it doesnt matter either way, but the odds he could get picked in the first were overblown imo.
Mikal Bridges is an Al Horford level role player and he is very good at Basketball. Ariza is a Jeremi Grant level role player and he's merely average at basketball. Please stop using Mikal name like a mere system fit player. He's an impact player and one that makes anyone better. I would trade John Collins for him RIGHT NOW!
King Ken wrote:Roddy B for 3 wrote:getrichordie wrote:
I think Granger was much better at attacking the rim was more polished as a shooter. It feels like Woodard is just starting to find his shot as a player.
He has flashed some awesome crossover ability, but he struggles with simple things at times like gathering the ball for a shot once he's near the rim or he will slow up near the rim, which is indicative of low confidence in that area of his game.
As of right now I see him as a primarily C&S guy who can shoot a little off movement and make some 1-dribble pull-ups and be a really solid defender. To me, he screams Ariza.
Ariza in his prime was one of the best wing defenders in the NBA.
I think the young guy in the NBA right now who reminds me the most of Trevor Ariza is Mikal Bridges who looks like a VERY good draft pick at #11, in a VERY good draft.
Now, I haven't scouted Woodard, so this is an honest question, do you see Ariza in his game, or "a poor man's Trevor Ariza"?
Let me also note although Trevor has been in the NBA well over ten years, he was still an obvious defensive + playing at PF this season. Trevor is definitely a modern hyprid forward as far as his positional size. Does Woodard have that size? And do you honestly think he projects to be an elite level defender who can shoot 36+% career from 3 and be a very good transition scoring threat?
Because if you say yes, I'll scout him because that's a lottory pick. If he's a poor man's Ariza, how poor? A defensive stopper who shoots threes on a bad team or a good team? Do you honestly think his shooting will translate to 36+% career?
Mikal Bridges is miles better than Ariza as a prospect and he's miles better as a 2nd year player. Mikal Bridges is getting extremely underrated on here.
Mikal Bridges is an Al Horford level role player and he is very good at Basketball. Ariza is a Jeremi Grant level role player and he's merely average at basketball. Please stop using Mikal name like a mere system fit player. He's an impact player and one that makes anyone better. I would trade John Collins for him RIGHT NOW!