Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch

[djFan71]

Lottery standings are frozen at pre-bubble records since 8 teams aren’t playing.

Gotcha so that means Memphis can't jump PHO and SAS in the lottery, even if they finish behind them in the standings?

Correct. 14 is our best possible result.

Which is okay. A little over a week ago 17 seemed like a forgone conclusion, so, if it holds, it's found money.

Unprotected 2021 is our best result.

[SMTBSI]

Gotcha so that means Memphis can't jump PHO and SAS in the lottery, even if they finish behind them in the standings?

Correct. 14 is our best possible result.

Which is okay. A little over a week ago 17 seemed like a forgone conclusion, so, if it holds, it's found money.

Unprotected 2021 is our best result.

I get that, but do we really want to give MEM another year of internal growth? Luck hasn't been on our side these last few years with the SAC and MEM picks.

I'd rather just bank 14, then push hard for a trade-up and take home a top-10 talent this year.


Take it for what it's worth, but Bulls fans on both their home board, and the T&T board, have expressed willingness to talk to us about trading out of the #7.

[themoneyteam2]

I think next year Memphis will finish bottom 10 and won't sniff the playoffs tbh but I really want the pick this year at 14. They have assets to trade into top 10 if they love someone but if they decide to stay put they'll likely have their choice at a few of Aaaron Nesmith, Precious Achiuwa, Tyrese Maxey, Saddiq Bey, and RJ Hampton who I think all can immediately improve the bench. All but Precious and RJ would add much needed shooting and scoring to the bench as a 9th or 10th man.

[djFan71]

Correct. 14 is our best possible result.

Which is okay. A little over a week ago 17 seemed like a forgone conclusion, so, if it holds, it's found money.

Unprotected 2021 is our best result.

I get that, but do we really want to give MEM another year of internal growth? Luck hasn't been on our side these last few years with the SAC and MEM picks.

I'd rather just bank 14, then push hard for a trade-up and take home a top-10 talent this year.

I knew ya knew, ya know? I think anything can happen. The loss of Iggy & Crowder was underplayed. MEM was bad without them. JJJ's hurt. Winslow is always hurt. And may or may not integrate right even if he does play. They don't have a good pick this year. They're not a FA destination. West is a beast. PHO, POR, NOP could all easily be ahead of them next year. And who else would drop below? Jazz is the only one I could see, but that's unlikely.

I think they had a nice SAC-like run, then will regress next year. But you never know. Worst case, it's what 18-20 next year? So, we get unprotected lotto upside at the small risk of dropping 4-6 spots? I'll take it

[djFan71]

That said, I get all worked up over trade-up scenarios, as any visit to the trade thread will tell you, so I'm cool with those scenarios as well. But, yeah, give me the chance at the unprotected pick if I can get it.

[SMTBSI]

That said, I get all worked up over trade-up scenarios, as any visit to the trade thread will tell you, so I'm cool with those scenarios as well. But, yeah, give me the chance at the unprotected pick if I can get it.

Well, I guess the one thing we can agree on is that moving from 17 to 14 benefits all possible scenarios.

- It's a better pick outright if we stand pat.
- It's more valuable if we try to trade up.
- It opens up at least the possibility of significant upside next year, while introducing only much slighter downside.

Just need one more day of NBA action to go our way. Can't take this for granted just yet.

[djFan71]

Unprotected 2021 is our best result.

I get that, but do we really want to give MEM another year of internal growth? Luck hasn't been on our side these last few years with the SAC and MEM picks.

I'd rather just bank 14, then push hard for a trade-up and take home a top-10 talent this year.

I knew ya knew, ya know? I think anything can happen. The loss of Iggy & Crowder was underplayed. MEM was bad without them. JJJ's hurt. Winslow is always hurt. And may or may not integrate right even if he does play. They don't have a good pick this year. They're not a FA destination. West is a beast. PHO, POR, NOP could all easily be ahead of them next year. And who else would drop below? Jazz is the only one I could see, but that's unlikely.

I think they had a nice SAC-like run, then will regress next year. But you never know. Worst case, it's what 18-20 next year? So, we get unprotected lotto upside at the small risk of dropping 4-6 spots? I'll take it

lol, just realized, they WILL have a good pick in this scenario - top 4. Duh...

[SMTBSI]

I get that, but do we really want to give MEM another year of internal growth? Luck hasn't been on our side these last few years with the SAC and MEM picks.

I'd rather just bank 14, then push hard for a trade-up and take home a top-10 talent this year.

I knew ya knew, ya know? I think anything can happen. The loss of Iggy & Crowder was underplayed. MEM was bad without them. JJJ's hurt. Winslow is always hurt. And may or may not integrate right even if he does play. They don't have a good pick this year. They're not a FA destination. West is a beast. PHO, POR, NOP could all easily be ahead of them next year. And who else would drop below? Jazz is the only one I could see, but that's unlikely.

I think they had a nice SAC-like run, then will regress next year. But you never know. Worst case, it's what 18-20 next year? So, we get unprotected lotto upside at the small risk of dropping 4-6 spots? I'll take it

lol, just realized, they WILL have a good pick in this scenario - top 4. Duh...

Yeah, I read right past that, but that's the concern.

Ja, JJJ, and another top 4. A little too frightening of a setup for an ascending young team, to me.

[The Corey's]

The reality is is that our memphis pick was **** the moment memphis won in the lottery and moved up to get morant

With out him they suck this year and almost certainly do next year too

I'm OK with cashing out on this thing this year and letting Danny consolidate this pick and others into a quality big man. We desperately need one.

[Darthlukey]

Giannis ejected for a headbutt. If he is suspended for the Grizz game, that hurts

[Jaqua92]

Giannis ejected for a headbutt. If he is suspended for the Grizz game, that hurts

No ****, really?

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[djFan71]

I knew ya knew, ya know? I think anything can happen. The loss of Iggy & Crowder was underplayed. MEM was bad without them. JJJ's hurt. Winslow is always hurt. And may or may not integrate right even if he does play. They don't have a good pick this year. They're not a FA destination. West is a beast. PHO, POR, NOP could all easily be ahead of them next year. And who else would drop below? Jazz is the only one I could see, but that's unlikely.

I think they had a nice SAC-like run, then will regress next year. But you never know. Worst case, it's what 18-20 next year? So, we get unprotected lotto upside at the small risk of dropping 4-6 spots? I'll take it

lol, just realized, they WILL have a good pick in this scenario - top 4. Duh...

Yeah, I read right past that, but that's the concern.

Ja, JJJ, and presumably James Wiseman to keep some kind of alliterative continuity. A little too frightening of a setup for an ascending young team, to me.

Yep, the risk is there, but I'll roll the dice gladly.
Plus not having 14 this year actually helps our finances a little (and screws them later...).

[The Corey's]

Giannis ejected for a headbutt. If he is suspended for the Grizz game, that hurts

Suns are the ones who are screwed here. They're potentially going to win all their games and still miss out.

Blazers just need to win 2 of their next 3 games which im comfortable they can and will do.

[SMTBSI]

The reality is is that our memphis pick was **** the moment memphis won in the lottery and moved up to get morant

With out him they suck this year and almost certainly do next year too

I'm OK with cashing out on this thing this year and letting Danny consolidate this pick and others into a quality big man. We desperately need one.

Also, there's going to come a reckoning at some point in the next couple of seasons, where either we start to move on from the Haywards and Walkers of the world and reset around Tatum's timeline, or do the completely unthinkable and move the youth in another NBA-shaking series of moves to contend on Walker and Gordo's timeline (Giannis, anyone?).

The sooner you get a high-pedigree player into your system, the greater a chance he'll be able to function as a significant part of those machinations.

I don't have anything really specific in mind, I'm just really hyped about the idea of adding a top-10 talent to this team and getting him up to speed. We've had a lot of misses on mid-range picks lately. We could use a win.

Remember, Pierce was drafted 10th. Find another one even remotely like him, and suddenly everything changes.

[The Corey's]

The reality is is that our memphis pick was **** the moment memphis won in the lottery and moved up to get morant

With out him they suck this year and almost certainly do next year too

I'm OK with cashing out on this thing this year and letting Danny consolidate this pick and others into a quality big man. We desperately need one.

Also, there's going to come a reckoning at some point in the next couple of seasons, where either we start to move on from the Haywards and Walkers of the world and reset around Tatum's timeline, or do the completely unthinkable and move the youth in another NBA-shaking series of moves to contend on Walker and Gordo's timeline (Giannis, anyone?).

The sooner you get a high-pedigree player into your system, the greater a chance he'll be able to function as a significant part of those machinations.

I don't have anything really specific in mind, I'm just really hyped about the idea of adding a top-10 talent to this team and getting him up to speed. We've had a lot of misses on mid-range picks lately. We could use a win.

Remember, Pierce was drafted 10th. Find another one even remotely like him, and suddenly everything changes.

Isn't giannis a free agent?

Using Hayward to facilitate a trade in that scenario makes the money work but I dont know how much we'd have to give up to entice the bucks to do somethibf so stupid.

[SMTBSI]

The reality is is that our memphis pick was **** the moment memphis won in the lottery and moved up to get morant

With out him they suck this year and almost certainly do next year too

I'm OK with cashing out on this thing this year and letting Danny consolidate this pick and others into a quality big man. We desperately need one.

Also, there's going to come a reckoning at some point in the next couple of seasons, where either we start to move on from the Haywards and Walkers of the world and reset around Tatum's timeline, or do the completely unthinkable and move the youth in another NBA-shaking series of moves to contend on Walker and Gordo's timeline (Giannis, anyone?).

The sooner you get a high-pedigree player into your system, the greater a chance he'll be able to function as a significant part of those machinations.

I don't have anything really specific in mind, I'm just really hyped about the idea of adding a top-10 talent to this team and getting him up to speed. We've had a lot of misses on mid-range picks lately. We could use a win.

Remember, Pierce was drafted 10th. Find another one even remotely like him, and suddenly everything changes.

Isn't giannis a free agent?

Using Hayward to facilitate a trade in that scenario makes the money work but I dont know how much we'd have to give up to entice the bucks to do somethibf so stupid.

Giannis has one more year.

I wasn't thinking Hayward. I was thinking Tatum.

Ainge stares into the abyss and doesn't blink.

I'm not gonna die on this hill today, but this is the kind of thing that can happen. KG once said he wouldn't resign. We all know what happened next.

[The Corey's]

Also, there's going to come a reckoning at some point in the next couple of seasons, where either we start to move on from the Haywards and Walkers of the world and reset around Tatum's timeline, or do the completely unthinkable and move the youth in another NBA-shaking series of moves to contend on Walker and Gordo's timeline (Giannis, anyone?).

The sooner you get a high-pedigree player into your system, the greater a chance he'll be able to function as a significant part of those machinations.

I don't have anything really specific in mind, I'm just really hyped about the idea of adding a top-10 talent to this team and getting him up to speed. We've had a lot of misses on mid-range picks lately. We could use a win.

Remember, Pierce was drafted 10th. Find another one even remotely like him, and suddenly everything changes.

Isn't giannis a free agent?

Using Hayward to facilitate a trade in that scenario makes the money work but I dont know how much we'd have to give up to entice the bucks to do somethibf so stupid.

Giannis has one more year.

I wasn't thinking Hayward. I was thinking Tatum.

Ainge stares into the abyss and doesn't blink.

I'm not gonna die on this hill today, but this is the kind of thing that can happen. KG once said he wouldn't resign. We all know what happened next.

Well.

Id rather give up brown and whoever this memphis pick is lol

[SMTBSI]

Isn't giannis a free agent?

Using Hayward to facilitate a trade in that scenario makes the money work but I dont know how much we'd have to give up to entice the bucks to do somethibf so stupid.

Giannis has one more year.

I wasn't thinking Hayward. I was thinking Tatum.

Ainge stares into the abyss and doesn't blink.

I'm not gonna die on this hill today, but this is the kind of thing that can happen. KG once said he wouldn't resign. We all know what happened next.

Well.

Id rather give up brown and whoever this memphis pick is lol

Tatum, Smart, and a tiny bit more salary filler for Giannis.

Brown, picks, prospects (including this MEM pick) for a 4th star.


Odds of this happening are tiny, but I guarantee Ainge would not avert his eyes from examining this path if it became available.

[The Corey's]

Giannis has one more year.

I wasn't thinking Hayward. I was thinking Tatum.

Ainge stares into the abyss and doesn't blink.

I'm not gonna die on this hill today, but this is the kind of thing that can happen. KG once said he wouldn't resign. We all know what happened next.

Well.

Id rather give up brown and whoever this memphis pick is lol

Tatum, Smart, and a tiny bit more salary filler for Giannis.

Brown, picks, prospects (including this MEM pick) for a 4th star.


Odds of this happening are tiny, but I guarantee Ainge would not avert his eyes from examining this path if it became available.

I dont wanna derail the thread so ill leave it at this... I dont think walker is built for a long run and im not really comfortable with any scenarios where he is one of our top 3 guys over the course of the next 4 years.

Hes already behind tatum and frankly I'd put him behind brown.

Id rsther run it through brown/Tatum/net player from Memphis situation/whatever Danny can turn hayward into.

[SMTBSI]

Well.

Id rather give up brown and whoever this memphis pick is lol

Tatum, Smart, and a tiny bit more salary filler for Giannis.

Brown, picks, prospects (including this MEM pick) for a 4th star.


Odds of this happening are tiny, but I guarantee Ainge would not avert his eyes from examining this path if it became available.

I dont wanna derail the thread so ill leave it at this... I dont think walker is built for a long run and im not really comfortable with any scenarios where he is one of our top 3 guys over the course of the next 4 years.

Hes already behind tatum and frankly I'd put him behind brown.

Id rsther run it through brown/Tatum/net player from Memphis situation/whatever Danny can turn hayward into.

I also strongly prefer to build around Tatum's timeline.

There's just a tiny part of me that couldn't help but be entertained by the complete bedlam on this board the day Tatum's out and Giannis is in.