Trade Blake Griffin for Michael Porter?

[rmfc]

[quote="chrbal"
I mean even with Drummonds flaws a lineup featuring ; mitchell, Booker, Drummond, and let’s say Michael Porter jr would have been insane[/quote]

[Crymson]

Oh believe me I agree. You could build a team where Drummond was a key piece, but not the centerpiece.

I mean even with Drummonds flaws a lineup featuring ; mitchell, Booker, Drummond, and let’s say Michael Porter jr would have been insane

That timeline is extremely unlikely. Anyway, I doubt any team with the incompetent SVG as coach would be "insane" in any case. He was that bad.

[chrbal]

Oh believe me I agree. You could build a team where Drummond was a key piece, but not the centerpiece.

I mean even with Drummonds flaws a lineup featuring ; mitchell, Booker, Drummond, and let’s say Michael Porter jr would have been insane

That timeline is extremely unlikely. Anyway, I doubt any team with the incompetent SVG as coach would be "insane" in any case. He was that bad.

Booker had an ok rookie year and Mitchell was taken the following. It’s possible. Also it’s a made up revisionist history thing

[Crymson]

Booker had an ok rookie year and Mitchell was taken the following. It’s possible. Also it’s a made up revisionist history thing

They were two years apart.

[Billl]

No team consistently drafts the best player available at their slot. That's just not realistic. Every team will strike out sometimes. The problem is that we've been striking out every year. We haven't drafted star since? Grant Hill? That was 25 years ago.

[NYPiston]

Say what you want about SVG trades (which were hit and miss) and free agent signings (more misses than hits), look no further than Stanley Johnson, Henry Ellenson and Luke Kennard. Bust, Bust and guy they drafted instead of Mitchell. His drafting was atrocious and the one guy who was a hit in Dinwiddie was dumped because apparently the Pistons had all this super duper guard depth.

As bad as he was as GM, he was almost as bad as coach.
I was all in on the SVG hiring (as a coach) but I really missed the mark on that one.
I still think he's a smart basketball guy but it just didn't work here, to say the least.

[chrbal]

No team consistently drafts the best player available at their slot. That's just not realistic. Every team will strike out sometimes. The problem is that we've been striking out every year. We haven't drafted star since? Grant Hill? That was 25 years ago.

My bad. I still stay with this scenario

[Billl]

2015 draft day thread. Forum was pretty busy then, so it's pretty long. Very little love for booker. More people upset we passed on Winslow because he had more offensive upside.

One guy nailed it though - "Hoping for Christian Wood at 38"

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1394756&hilit=2015+draft&start=460

[Crymson]

2015 draft day thread. Forum was pretty busy then, so it's pretty long. Very little love for booker. More people upset we passed on Winslow because he had more offensive upside.

One guy nailed it though - "Hoping for Christian Wood at 38"

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1394756&hilit=2015+draft&start=460

Instead we got Hilliard, who was too slow to ever make it in the NBA. The next season, we got Gbinije, who was already 25 and likewise had little NBA upside. SVG gave him 32 NBA minutes before buying out his contract the next summer. Richardson, Connaughton, and Powell were all drafted within nine picks after Hilliard.

SVG was completely incompetent, and it bothers me that people defended him so much during his tenure.

No team consistently drafts the best player available at their slot. That's just not realistic. Every team will strike out sometimes. The problem is that we've been striking out every year. We haven't drafted star since? Grant Hill? That was 25 years ago.

Van Gundy made the wrong choice for the wrong reasons in every draft. I don't think there are any reasonable apologies to be made for him. Dumars was likewise a horrendous drafter.

[DBC10]

Mitchell and booker are two great examples of guys that we absolutely should have taken.

And that's not hindsight either. There were a WHOLE lot of people on this board who wanted both of those guys. If a bunch of yahoos on an internet forum just happen to want a couple of guys who just happen to turn out to be pretty damn good NBA players while the front office picks turn out to be garbage, what does that say about the front office?

But I learned that about executive management a long time ago. Early in my career (automotive) I thought that the guys at the top had to be the brightest, smartest, and best at their job. Wrong. In most cases you'll find that they're no smarter or more talented than the rest of us--they went to the right school, or knew the right people, or were in the right place at the right time and hung on long enough (i.e. didn't do anything bad enough to get fired from the industry forever) to become EXPERIENCED. And that's why you see the same old retreads in sports as coaches and GM's continue to get hired when you wonder what in the hell they did to deserve it. Other industries are no different; it's a good ol' boys club across the board.

I think the phenomenon is called, "failing to the top". It is abhorrently rampant in basically every corporate industry. Aerospace, building materials, food processing, etc.

[Crymson]

I think the phenomenon is called, "failing to the top". It is abhorrently rampant in basically every corporate industry. Aerospace, building materials, food processing, etc.

It bugs me that people assume sports executives and coaches are competent by mere dint of getting the job. It's as if they either don't notice or (more probably) simply ignore that coaches and managers are routinely fired for failure.

It's most probably a symptom of wishful thinking.

[SAKURABA216]

Don't forget that we also traded away Kevin Porter Jr. too lol. For nothing!

[buzzkilloton]

You realize we could of drafted MPjr with the pick we traded for Blake? I actually remember me and Motown talking about how we would of liked to take him in a thread at that time when he was falling, likely the draft thread that year. I imagine the pistons wouldnt of drafted him because "win now" but yeah we traded a shot at MPjr + a bunch of other stuff for Blake for no reason.

[The_Irony]

This board would have been insufferable the year he was injured watching other rooks play well and saying we blew another pick. knowing the way this org is run he would have been in the d league the majority of this season too.

[buzzkilloton]

This board would have been insufferable the year he was injured watching other rooks play well and saying we blew another pick. knowing the way this org is run he would have been in the d league the majority of this season too.

He barely even played in college due to injury. He was the consensus top prospect and draft pick coming into that NCAA season but got hurt. So we would of drafted him knowing he wasnt going to play all season long. He was the guy with the most potential to be a superstar that was available when we drafted had we kept our lotto pick.

[Canadafan]

SVG sucks. Even watching marcus Morris play well right now for clips bothers me.
The draft pick we lost in Blake trade that Buzzkilloton just mentioned irritates me.
Svg actually being hired to talk on tv annoys me.
Troy Weaver better be the second coming of Jerry West. Cant take the frustration anymore

[Crymson]

Svg actually being hired to talk on tv annoys me.

Apparently being at the same time a GM who does not understand how to build a team and a coach who does not understand how to run a modern offense or a modern defense qualifies one to be a good national analyst.

I just listened to him talk about how team chemistry depends on two things: the willingness of everyone to work hard, put in the effort, and get back on defense, both in practice and in games, and unselfishness. This from a guy who tried to build his team around Andre Drummond and Reggie Jackson, treated them like kings and let them do whatever they want. The former was lazy and selfish, and Jackson was egotistical and selfish during his first two seasons.

[DBC10]

SVG sucks. Even watching marcus Morris play well right now for clips bothers me.
The draft pick we lost in Blake trade that Busskilloton just mentioned irritates me.
Svg actually being hired to talk on tv annoys me.
Troy Weaver better be the second coming of Jerry West. Cant take the frustration anymore

It also could have been Shai Gilgeous Alexander too. CHA at the time weren't even going to pick him hence they traded down for Bridges.

I think missing out on Shai after watching these playoffs and the OKC regular season is a HUGE loss IMO. That guy is going to be a great player.

[Canadafan]

SVG sucks. Even watching marcus Morris play well right now for clips bothers me.
The draft pick we lost in Blake trade that Busskilloton just mentioned irritates me.
Svg actually being hired to talk on tv annoys me.
Troy Weaver better be the second coming of Jerry West. Cant take the frustration anymore

It also could have been Shai Gilgeous Alexander too. CHA at the time weren't even going to pick him hence they traded down for Bridges.

I think missing out on Shai after watching these playoffs and the OKC regular season is a HUGE loss IMO. That guy is going to be a great player.

Yes. Thanks for depressing me even more
Shall we all discuss the Darko, SJ, Luke picks again?
Not like watching Melo perform well last night made me feel any type of way