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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#2141 » by YelloC » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:03 pm

With the assumption that FVVsr. Re-signs and we keep 1 of Gasol and Serge, my target to draft would be a big or a true SG type.
In a perfect world, Precious Achiuwa falls to our spot or we trade for a late teens early 20s pick. If he’s gone and we pick at 28, I’d be looking at Tillman, Oturu, Paul Reed. There’s actually quite a few quality bigs at end of the first round. Also, if Freddy sr. stays this could be the year to pick a draft and stash guard to take his spot when he takes Kyles in a couple years. Plus the foreign players might be more inclined to stay closer to home until the pandemic has started to diminish.
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Post#2142 » by Indeed » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:18 pm

YelloC wrote:With the assumption that FVVsr. Re-signs and we keep 1 of Gasol and Serge, my target to draft would be a big or a true SG type.
In a perfect world, Precious Achiuwa falls to our spot or we trade for a late teens early 20s pick. If he’s gone and we pick at 28, I’d be looking at Tillman, Oturu, Paul Reed. There’s actually quite a few quality bigs at end of the first round. Also, if Freddy sr. stays this could be the year to pick a draft and stash guard to take his spot when he takes Kyles in a couple years. Plus the foreign players might be more inclined to stay closer to home until the pandemic has started to diminish.


I think we mentioned a lot of times, we will NOT stash.
There is basically no benefit of stashing, we have a development system, we do not stash.
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Post#2143 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:19 pm

Indeed wrote:
YelloC wrote:With the assumption that FVVsr. Re-signs and we keep 1 of Gasol and Serge, my target to draft would be a big or a true SG type.
In a perfect world, Precious Achiuwa falls to our spot or we trade for a late teens early 20s pick. If he’s gone and we pick at 28, I’d be looking at Tillman, Oturu, Paul Reed. There’s actually quite a few quality bigs at end of the first round. Also, if Freddy sr. stays this could be the year to pick a draft and stash guard to take his spot when he takes Kyles in a couple years. Plus the foreign players might be more inclined to stay closer to home until the pandemic has started to diminish.


I think we mentioned a lot of times, we will NOT stash.
There is basically no benefit of stashing, we have a development system, we do not stash.


All the most notable euro prospects have also said they prefer not to be stashed (they rarely want to tbf)
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Post#2144 » by Mark_83 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:10 pm

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This guy was made to be a Raptor. I trust Masai either way but: great bball IQ, work ethic, makeup and maturity, strong defender with a team oriented game.

Barring a faller I'm on Tillman, Reed, Flynn, Woodard, and Bey in that order.
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#2145 » by YelloC » Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:39 am

Mark_83 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
Read on Twitter
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This guy was made to be a Raptor. I trust Masai either way but: great bball IQ, work ethic, makeup and maturity, strong defender with a team oriented game.

Barring a faller I'm on Tillman, Reed, Flynn, Woodard, and Bey in that order.

I wonder what having Gasol and Tillman in the frontcourt would produce?
Maybe their passing skills would cancel each other out or open the offence up even more.
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Post#2146 » by YelloC » Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:43 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:
Indeed wrote:
YelloC wrote:With the assumption that FVVsr. Re-signs and we keep 1 of Gasol and Serge, my target to draft would be a big or a true SG type.
In a perfect world, Precious Achiuwa falls to our spot or we trade for a late teens early 20s pick. If he’s gone and we pick at 28, I’d be looking at Tillman, Oturu, Paul Reed. There’s actually quite a few quality bigs at end of the first round. Also, if Freddy sr. stays this could be the year to pick a draft and stash guard to take his spot when he takes Kyles in a couple years. Plus the foreign players might be more inclined to stay closer to home until the pandemic has started to diminish.


I think we mentioned a lot of times, we will NOT stash.
There is basically no benefit of stashing, we have a development system, we do not stash.


All the most notable euro prospects have also said they prefer not to be stashed (they rarely want to tbf)

That could all change if Covid19 in the U.S. is still raging out of control. I couldn’t see the NBA playing a whole season in a bubble. I suppose a player drafted by the Raptors wouldn’t have the same risks than if they were drafted into a team from one the hotspots.
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Post#2147 » by HeadtopChunes » Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:49 am

YelloC wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
Indeed wrote:
I think we mentioned a lot of times, we will NOT stash.
There is basically no benefit of stashing, we have a development system, we do not stash.


All the most notable euro prospects have also said they prefer not to be stashed (they rarely want to tbf)

That could all change if Covid19 in the U.S. is still raging out of control. I couldn’t see the NBA playing a whole season in a bubble. I suppose a player drafted by the Raptors wouldn’t have the same risks than if they were drafted into a team from one the hotspots.


there's no way they'd do a season with travel if that's the case, it's either bubble or no season imo
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Post#2148 » by Mark_83 » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:15 am

YelloC wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
Read on Twitter
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This guy was made to be a Raptor. I trust Masai either way but: great bball IQ, work ethic, makeup and maturity, strong defender with a team oriented game.

Barring a faller I'm on Tillman, Reed, Flynn, Woodard, and Bey in that order.

I wonder what having Gasol and Tillman in the frontcourt would produce?
Maybe their passing skills would cancel each other out or open the offence up even more.

I think their skillsets overlap too much right now, but if Tillman could improve his shot to create spacing I could see it working in small stints like when we have Gasol and Ibaka out there.
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Post#2149 » by Indeed » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:27 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:
YelloC wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
All the most notable euro prospects have also said they prefer not to be stashed (they rarely want to tbf)

That could all change if Covid19 in the U.S. is still raging out of control. I couldn’t see the NBA playing a whole season in a bubble. I suppose a player drafted by the Raptors wouldn’t have the same risks than if they were drafted into a team from one the hotspots.


there's no way they'd do a season with travel if that's the case, it's either bubble or no season imo


And US is not the only country is still raging out of control. Spain is comparable to the States if you read the news, and you think Greece or some other countries would be better than the States? I think the players know better.

You should be happy if you are living in Canada.
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Post#2150 » by Syd-TK3 » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:48 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
Indeed wrote:
YelloC wrote:With the assumption that FVVsr. Re-signs and we keep 1 of Gasol and Serge, my target to draft would be a big or a true SG type.
In a perfect world, Precious Achiuwa falls to our spot or we trade for a late teens early 20s pick. If he’s gone and we pick at 28, I’d be looking at Tillman, Oturu, Paul Reed. There’s actually quite a few quality bigs at end of the first round. Also, if Freddy sr. stays this could be the year to pick a draft and stash guard to take his spot when he takes Kyles in a couple years. Plus the foreign players might be more inclined to stay closer to home until the pandemic has started to diminish.


I think we mentioned a lot of times, we will NOT stash.
There is basically no benefit of stashing, we have a development system, we do not stash.


All the most notable euro prospects have also said they prefer not to be stashed (they rarely want to tbf)

Bolmaro just signed a 3 year extension with Barcelona so maybe he might be okay with it.
I could see Boston drafting him and doing that since they don't have space for all 3 picks
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Post#2151 » by HeadtopChunes » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:56 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
Indeed wrote:
I think we mentioned a lot of times, we will NOT stash.
There is basically no benefit of stashing, we have a development system, we do not stash.


All the most notable euro prospects have also said they prefer not to be stashed (they rarely want to tbf)

Bolmaro just signed a 3 year extension with Barcelona so maybe he might be okay with it.
I could see Boston drafting him and doing that since they don't have space for all 3 picks


probably signed it for security more than anything I bet, the team would have to buy him out

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Post#2152 » by No-Man » Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:02 pm

Yeah Bolmaro extended but if he goes top15-20 he will still come over
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Post#2153 » by Psubs » Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:02 pm

Indeed wrote:
YelloC wrote:With the assumption that FVVsr. Re-signs and we keep 1 of Gasol and Serge, my target to draft would be a big or a true SG type.
In a perfect world, Precious Achiuwa falls to our spot or we trade for a late teens early 20s pick. If he’s gone and we pick at 28, I’d be looking at Tillman, Oturu, Paul Reed. There’s actually quite a few quality bigs at end of the first round. Also, if Freddy sr. stays this could be the year to pick a draft and stash guard to take his spot when he takes Kyles in a couple years. Plus the foreign players might be more inclined to stay closer to home until the pandemic has started to diminish.


I think we mentioned a lot of times, we will NOT stash.
There is basically no benefit of stashing, we have a development system, we do not stash.


Think of MLB keeping a prospect down in the minors to not eat up service time and maintain an extra year.

Let's say #28 Bolmaro age 20 in Sept. You get the 2nd contract more into the player's prime. Say it's 4 years plus another 4-5 years. You get the player from say age 21-29 (or 30) instead of 20-28(or 29).

Also assuming to clear out roster space of McCaw and Stanley.
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Post#2154 » by Syd-TK3 » Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:34 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
All the most notable euro prospects have also said they prefer not to be stashed (they rarely want to tbf)

Bolmaro just signed a 3 year extension with Barcelona so maybe he might be okay with it.
I could see Boston drafting him and doing that since they don't have space for all 3 picks


probably signed it for security more than anything I bet, the team would have to buy him out

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Okay that makes sense. He'll obviously get drafted but I guess there's uncertainty about whether it's a 1st or 2nd
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Post#2155 » by Indeed » Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:14 pm

Psubs wrote:
Indeed wrote:
YelloC wrote:With the assumption that FVVsr. Re-signs and we keep 1 of Gasol and Serge, my target to draft would be a big or a true SG type.
In a perfect world, Precious Achiuwa falls to our spot or we trade for a late teens early 20s pick. If he’s gone and we pick at 28, I’d be looking at Tillman, Oturu, Paul Reed. There’s actually quite a few quality bigs at end of the first round. Also, if Freddy sr. stays this could be the year to pick a draft and stash guard to take his spot when he takes Kyles in a couple years. Plus the foreign players might be more inclined to stay closer to home until the pandemic has started to diminish.


I think we mentioned a lot of times, we will NOT stash.
There is basically no benefit of stashing, we have a development system, we do not stash.


Think of MLB keeping a prospect down in the minors to not eat up service time and maintain an extra year.

Let's say #28 Bolmaro age 20 in Sept. You get the 2nd contract more into the player's prime. Say it's 4 years plus another 4-5 years. You get the player from say age 21-29 (or 30) instead of 20-28(or 29).

Also assuming to clear out roster space of McCaw and Stanley.


It is not very often to draft a 1st round pick and stash them, usually it has to do with their existing contract more than a team prefers them to be stashed as a 1st round pick. Keep in mind that stashing does not mean developing players, there is a big difference between giving a player playing time vs teaching them fundamentals of their position. Jonas was an example where his first year was not very helpful in developing him into the modern NBA center, he was probably demanding the ball in the post more than we wish him in the NBA style.

Meanwhile, if we are talking about stashing 2nd round pick, it is actually cheaper to have them on the team, as their salary is lower than a minimum contract. It would be our benefit to have these contracts next year to remain below the tax.
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Post#2156 » by HeadtopChunes » Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:15 pm

Stashing makes more sense in terms of just saving the roster spot than anything, but i dont think we need to do that and i prefer being in full control of prospect development
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Post#2157 » by Psubs » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:21 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:Stashing makes more sense in terms of just saving the roster spot than anything, but i dont think we need to do that and i prefer being in full control of prospect development


Too many guards on the roster and Bolmaro probably would rather play with FCB than in the 905.
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Post#2158 » by mademan » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:45 pm

Psubs wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:Stashing makes more sense in terms of just saving the roster spot than anything, but i dont think we need to do that and i prefer being in full control of prospect development


Too many guards on the roster and Bolmaro probably would rather play with FCB than in the 905.


unlikely. NBA 1st rounder salary is a couple levels above what he's making now. And foot in the door in the NBA is a pretty big motivator to come over right away, even if its red shirting in the G-league all year.
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Post#2159 » by B-Ball Freak » Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:09 pm

So I haven't been paying attention to the draft class this year, so school me please guys...whos the top 5 on the Raptors big board.
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Post#2160 » by Psubs » Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:28 pm

B-Ball Freak wrote:So I haven't been paying attention to the draft class this year, so school me please guys...whos the top 5 on the Raptors big board.


Someone has to hack into IBM Watson.
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