Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII

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I've been fascinated by Kris Dunn for a while, but I haven't been able to catch any Bulls games. What do you think about Dunn? He could be a solid player coming off the bench.

Hopefully, we make a run at Giles.

The man is just an absolute defensive savant, whether guarding 1-4 or playing as a free safety. He's pretty close to a non-factor, but since he's no longer being forced into the primary distributor role (which is what he was drafted, at #5, to be), he doesn't hurt you too much either - USG% and turnovers were down this season. I think he'd be absolutely perfect as a third guard to stagger with Wall and Beal, and he's young enough to still be a plus asset if we do end up bowing up the current core. He's got a little residual playmaking ability, too, and he's a plus rebounder, which is nice to have.

The Bulls would be fools not to keep him in my mind, but they've already got Lavine, Coby White, our old friend Sato, and Ryan Arcidiacono under contract at the position and there have been reports that the ownership group is tightening the belt for this next season despite the recent front office shake-up.

I know defense in the modern NBA is still all about the rim protector, which I'd still classify as our greatest need going into this offseason, but I think Dunn's about as impactful as a guard can be on that end. Sure everybody looks great in their highlights, but check this out (and keep in mind that it covers a little less than a month of this past season):

Watch on YouTube

I'd find it really easy to cheer for Kris Dunn. And I'd bank on our shooting gurus to build him a useable jumpshot with improved range. His defense however is superlative. For a team that needs role models on that end I think his addition would prove an accelerant to help our defense catch fire.

I'd disagree that D is about rim protection. Defense in the NBA nowadays is more about team scheme and switchability. Consider the Draymond led defenses in GState. Draymond was nothing like an intimidating rim protector, but he played the angles well, especially in the Pick and Roll. The best rim protector in the game is Rudy Gobert and he has trouble staying on the floor in the post season.

Teams that win are able to choke off the ball at the point of attack, challenge the outside shot, prevent ball entry, and close the lanes quickly. Teams that can afford to switch every pick with long rangy versatile defenders have an easier job of the above.

Dunn would seem to me to be a great fit for a team like ours that has trouble with perimeter defense. Chiefly for his ability to stall the ball handler and force it out of the hands of their primary attacker. In pace and space era if you can slow their uptempo attack you can give your team time to recover. Yes we need a Big who can clog lanes and snatch boards, but on the outside we need exactly what Dunn brings, not just on the court or late game situational defense, but as an example in practice and as recognition that this team needs to emphasize playing hard at that end. Right now even if our Coach wanted to yank a player for playing lax defense we don't have the counter example to stick in the game to show how it is done. Kris would be how it gets Dunn.

Coach Thibodeaux would love a player like this in New York. He won with Rondo playing a similar role.

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I'd find it really easy to cheer for Kris Dunn. And I'd bank on our shooting gurus to build him a useable jumpshot with improved range. His defense however is superlative. For a team that needs role models on that end I think his addition would prove an accelerant to help our defense catch fire.

I'd disagree that D is about rim protection. Defense in the NBA nowadays is more about team scheme and switchability. Consider the Draymond led defenses in GState. Draymond was nothing like an intimidating rim protector, but he played the angles well, especially in the Pick and Roll. The best rim protector in the game is Rudy Gobert and he has trouble staying on the floor in the post season.

Teams that win are able to choke off the ball at the point of attack, challenge the outside shot, prevent ball entry, and close the lanes quickly. Teams that can afford to switch every pick with long rangy versatile defenders have an easier job of the above.

Dunn would seem to me to be a great fit for a team like ours that has trouble with perimeter defense. Chiefly for his ability to stall the ball handler and force it out of the hands of their primary attacker. In pace and space era if you can slow their uptempo attack you can give your team time to recover. Yes we need a Big who can clog lanes and snatch boards, but on the outside we need exactly what Dunn brings, not just on the court or late game situational defense, but as an example in practice and as recognition that this team needs to emphasize playing hard at that end. Right now even if our Coach wanted to yank a player for playing lax defense we don't have the counter example to stick in the game to show how it is done. Kris would be how it gets Dunn.

Coach Thibodeaux would love a player like this in New York. He won with Rondo playing a similar role.

Yes, definitely agree on scheme - I should have phrased more to the effect of rim protection being the single most important part of an effective defense (i.e. defensive scheme). I will note that three of the top five defenses this season - the Bucks, the Clippers, and the Raptors, are all in the top five for opponent 3-point FGA allowed per game and the bottom five for opponent FGA < 6 ft allowed per game, so I'd maintain that there's a theme of systematically denying the only shots that remain more efficient than 3-pointers (also, beyond Draymond's revolutionary switchability he very much was an imposing rim protector - he was always at or near the top of the league in opponent FG% on shots he defended at the rim).

The caveat, as you point out, is that it's often not enough to have one ginormously long guy there to protect the rim if they're also not mobile enough to hold their own when pulled out towards the perimeter by a p'n'r action (occasionally, someone can make up for this with phenomenal intuition for defensive positioning, like Marc Gasol or to a lesser extent Nikola Jokic). Here's a great video on Giannis's role in the Bucks' deny-everything-at-the-rim scheme - they count on Brook Lopez as the giant in the paint, but the scheme goes from good to world-beating with the inclusion of Giannis as a roving help defender.

Watch on YouTube

Anyway, we mostly agree, and you're totally right about defense at the point of attack - while making life hard in the lane is a big part of defense, basically all of the league's offensive game-changers start their work from the perimeter.

Great point about Thibodeau, and the cap space that the Knicks figure to have this summer worries me a bit. As fond as he is of getting "his guys" wherever he lands a coaching gig, Thibs actually traded Dunn (plus Zach LaVine and the pick that was used to draft Lauri Markkanen) to the Bulls in the first place... of course, that was the deal for Jimmy Butler, so it's not set in stone that he's out on Dunn.

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Yes, definitely agree on scheme - I should have phrased more to the effect of rim protection being the single most important part of an effective defense (i.e. defensive scheme). I will note that three of the top five defenses this season - the Bucks, the Clippers, and the Raptors, are all in the top five for opponent 3-point FGA allowed per game and the bottom five for opponent FGA < 6 ft allowed per game, so I'd maintain that there's a theme of systematically denying the only shots that remain more efficient than 3-pointers (also, beyond Draymond's revolutionary switchability he very much was an imposing rim protector - he was always at or near the top of the league in opponent FG% on shots he defended at the rim).

The caveat, as you point out, is that it's often not enough to have one ginormously long guy there to protect the rim if they're also not mobile enough to hold their own when pulled out towards the perimeter by a p'n'r action (occasionally, someone can make up for this with phenomenal intuition for defensive positioning, like Marc Gasol or to a lesser extent Nikola Jokic). Here's a great video on Giannis's role in the Bucks' deny-everything-at-the-rim scheme - they count on Brook Lopez as the giant in the paint, but the scheme goes from good to world-beating with the inclusion of Giannis as a roving help defender.

Watch on YouTube

Anyway, we mostly agree, and you're totally right about defense at the point of attack - while making life hard in the lane is a big part of defense, basically all of the league's offensive game-changers start their work from the perimeter.

Great point about Thibodeau, and the cap space that the Knicks figure to have this summer worries me a bit. As fond as he is of getting "his guys" wherever he lands a coaching gig, Thibs actually traded Dunn (plus Zach LaVine and the pick that was used to draft Lauri Markkanen) to the Bulls in the first place... of course, that was the deal for Jimmy Butler, so it's not set in stone that he's out on Dunn.

Agreed on all points. And right Thibs traded for Butler who has been one of the leagues most effective two-way players, but it should say something about his appreciation for Dunn that he actually drafted him with the 5th overall pick. He may like him as a cheaper reclamation project.

That said, sure, if we landed Kris Dunn we would still need our stalwart low post monster AND our midrange stretch armstrong type. Where do we get those guys? (Though Bonga shows promise...)

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Bulls have no reason I can see to let Kris Dunn walk.

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Bulls have no reason I can see to let Kris Dunn walk.

For reasons stated above, I actually think it's more likely than not that they do; however, I'm tempering my enthusiasm given that of teams that might be interested, we'll probably have neither the most money (Knicks) nor best chance to compete (Toronto, Miami) to offer.

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To the point of why a team might let a player walk: some teams have been hurt more than others by the shutdown. I’d like to take a look at which teams might have revenue problems to see which may be dealing from a point of disadvantage. Some analysts suggested that teams may be willing to sell even first round picks this year. I doubt it, but if so: who?

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Bulls have no reason I can see to let Kris Dunn walk.

For reasons stated above, I actually think it's more likely than not that they do....

But...

...Kris Dunn... might come relatively cheap....

...The Bulls would be fools not to keep him in my mind, but they've already got Lavine, Coby White, our old friend Sato, and Ryan Arcidiacono under contract at the position and there have been reports that the ownership group is tightening the belt for this next season despite the recent front office shake-up....

Dunn hasn't played PG this year. Sato, White & Arcidiacono have accounted for over 4500 minutes. Dunn has almost entirely played as a 3.

As to $$$, assuming Porter picks up his option, the Bulls have 12 guys guaranteed at about $106m. They have the #7 pick, who will cost @$5.6m. They have options on Dunn, Valentine & Harrison that total under $14m. Obviously, you are right that 1 of those 3 will go. Harrison is cheap; no reason not to pick up his option. Valentine would be my guess to go.

That would leave them at 15 players for just over $118m.

On top of all this, the Bulls have a total of $30m in guaranteed salaries for 2021-22!

How tight can the belt get? !!

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...The Bulls would be fools not to keep him in my mind, but they've already got Lavine, Coby White, our old friend Sato, and Ryan Arcidiacono under contract at the position and there have been reports that the ownership group is tightening the belt for this next season despite the recent front office shake-up....

Dunn hasn't played PG this year. Sato, White & Arcidiacono have accounted for over 4500 minutes. Dunn has almost entirely played as a 3.

As to $$$, assuming Porter picks up his option, the Bulls have 12 guys guaranteed at about $106m. They have the #7 pick, who will cost @$5.6m. They have options on Dunn, Valentine & Harrison that total under $14m. Obviously, you are right that 1 of those 3 will go. Harrison is cheap; no reason not to pick up his option. Valentine would be my guess to go.

That would leave them at 15 players for just over $118m.

On top of all this, the Bulls have a total of $30m in guaranteed salaries for 2021-22!

How tight can the belt get? !!

Ack, I forgot he's restricted - that's a wrinkle for sure. Good point on position - he's one of the harder-to-pin-down guys in the league currently but the most common Bulls lineups by far had him paired with a primary ballhandler. Another instance of the BBREF "time at position" (i.e. height rank) model being less than ideal, as Sato's size makes it think Dunn was at the 1.

To be fair, when I said "at the position" I did mean in the general 1-3 rotation, and I think that point stands. I would speculate that they'll want to get Coby White more time at PG, and with LaVine locked into SG that does, by way of Sato, seem to cap Dunn's playing time unless they make some trades. Also, to be clear, that "option" for 2021 is the qualifying offer - it has to be extended for the Bulls to retain RFA rights on Dunn, but almost nobody ever takes it (and certainly not in the league's current economic climate*).

* I'm assuming that we see long-term deals taking priority this summer, but I'd hear out an argument that we might see more 1-year contracts than normal given the cap space every team's got saved up for the 2021 offseason bonanza. Unlikely, to me, given that we don't even have a start date for next season yet, let alone any idea whether there'll be fans in attendance to juice revenues, but it's possible. What's everyone thinking on this?

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...The Bulls would be fools not to keep him in my mind, but they've already got Lavine, Coby White, our old friend Sato, and Ryan Arcidiacono under contract at the position and there have been reports that the ownership group is tightening the belt for this next season despite the recent front office shake-up....

Dunn hasn't played PG this year. Sato, White & Arcidiacono have accounted for over 4500 minutes. Dunn has almost entirely played as a 3.

As to $$$, assuming Porter picks up his option, the Bulls have 12 guys guaranteed at about $106m. They have the #7 pick, who will cost @$5.6m. They have options on Dunn, Valentine & Harrison that total under $14m. Obviously, you are right that 1 of those 3 will go. Harrison is cheap; no reason not to pick up his option. Valentine would be my guess to go.

That would leave them at 15 players for just over $118m.

On top of all this, the Bulls have a total of $30m in guaranteed salaries for 2021-22!

How tight can the belt get? !!

Ack, I forgot he's restricted - that's a wrinkle for sure. Good point on position - he's one of the harder-to-pin-down guys in the league currently but the most common Bulls lineups by far had him paired with a primary ballhandler. Another instance of the BBREF "time at position" (i.e. height rank) model being less than ideal, as Sato's size makes it think Dunn was at the 1.

To be fair, when I said "at the position" I did mean in the general 1-3 rotation, and I think that point stands. I would speculate that they'll want to get Coby White more time at PG, and with LaVine locked into SG that does, by way of Sato, seem to cap Dunn's playing time unless they make some trades. Also, to be clear, that "option" for 2021 is the qualifying offer - it has to be extended for the Bulls to retain RFA rights on Dunn, but almost nobody ever takes it (and certainly not in the league's current economic climate*).

* I'm assuming that we see long-term deals taking priority this summer, but I'd hear out an argument that we might see more 1-year contracts than normal given the cap space every team's got saved up for the 2021 offseason bonanza. Unlikely, to me, given that we don't even have a start date for next season yet, let alone any idea whether there'll be fans in attendance to juice revenues, but it's possible. What's everyone thinking on this?

"...general 1-3 rotation" -- but, that eliminates your argument that having all those PGs would be motivation to let Dunn walk. Yet, really... the fact that he's restricted already wipes that out. They would be nuts not to give him his qualifying offer, then let the league set his value for them, then finally decide how to proceed -- match, try for a sign/trade, or let him walk.

Obviously, everything would depend on the offers he got. &, since $$ will be tight (not so much b/c of 2021 but b/c revenues are through the floor) I doubt they'll cavil at matching. In fact, they may just work out a deal w/ his agent & avoid the extra steps.

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As to $$$, assuming Porter picks up his option, the Bulls have 12 guys guaranteed at about $106m. They have the #7 pick, who will cost @$5.6m. They have options on Dunn, Valentine & Harrison that total under $14m. Obviously, you are right that 1 of those 3 will go. Harrison is cheap; no reason not to pick up his option. Valentine would be my guess to go.

I'd be interested in a discounted Denzel Valentine too. He's a savvy 'everybody eats' type of competitor: smart team ball player, willing to do the gritty work. He lost a year to ankle reconstruction, but was working his way back late, had a string of decent games here and there. I'd bet on him to improve with a good training team around him. Health and fitness and shooting gurus. I can see him subbing in well behind Beal. He has a catch-and shoot game that works well when you hit him in rhythm. even if he himself lacks the top end athleticism to create for himself.

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I liked him out of college. He had a hell of a good 2d year in 17-18. Played 2100 minutes & very well.

Big question seems to be whether he comes all the way back from the injury. Or better put it... what is his actual physical condition?

Bulls gotta let someone go. I agree -- I'd love a look at him.

[Frichuela]

Hi all,

Wiz/Bullets fan here, I have been reading this board for years, but have only posted once...

At Bulletsforever, KBroom is flying the idea of trading for Gobert...Even if this option was available, I do not think we would -realistically- have the package for it.

BUT, how about trading for Jarrett Allen? He is likely to be much easier to attain and, looking at this season's numbers, is already producing at a level not too dissimilar to Gobert, and is 6 years younger!

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Rudy+Gobert&player_id1_select=Rudy+Gobert&player_id1=goberru01&idx=bbr__players&p1yrfrom=2020&player_id2_hint=Jarrett+Allen&player_id2_select=Jarrett+Allen&player_id2=allenja01&idx=bbr__players&p2yrfrom=2020

Given Thomas Bryant's improvement in the Bubble, and should we get the #9/10 pick after the lottery next week, I think a package of him + the #9/10 pick for Allen, Temple and the #19 pick may entice Brooklyn. Why?

1) They do not have to pay Allen's new contract from the 2021-22 season onwards (which is likely to be in the $12-15 mn year range ). Instead, they would rely on Thomas Bryant as the sub for Deandre Jordan.
2) They could use that #9/10 pick in a trade package for a 3rd star.

For the Wiz, getting:

1) Allen would significantly improve our rim protection and rebounding. I also believe Allen has another gear in his offensive development. He has shown progress in the Bubble with his passing and he may end up shooting 3s (particularly from the corners). After all, he is only 22 years old! (same as Rui).
2) Temple (1 year Team Option at $5mn) would help improve the team culture with a trusted vet, who is solid defensively, can help in the wing and is friendly with our two co-stars.

Cheers!

[Ruzious]

Hi all,

Wiz/Bullets fan here, I have been reading this board for years, but have only posted once...

At Bulletsforever, KBroom is flying the idea of trading for Gobert...Even if this option was available, I do not think we would -realistically- have the package for it.

BUT, how about trading for Jarrett Allen? He is likely to be much easier to attain and, looking at this season's numbers, is already producing at a level not too dissimilar to Gobert, and is 6 years younger!

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Rudy+Gobert&player_id1_select=Rudy+Gobert&player_id1=goberru01&idx=bbr__players&p1yrfrom=2020&player_id2_hint=Jarrett+Allen&player_id2_select=Jarrett+Allen&player_id2=allenja01&idx=bbr__players&p2yrfrom=2020

Given Thomas Bryant's improvement in the Bubble, and should we get the #9/10 pick after the lottery next week, I think a package of him + the #9/10 pick for Allen, Temple and the #19 pick may entice Brooklyn. Why?

1) They do not have to pay Allen's new contract from the 2021-22 season onwards (which is likely to be in the $12-15 mn year range ). Instead, they would rely on Thomas Bryant as the sub for Deandre Jordan.
2) They could use that #9/10 pick in a trade package for a 3rd star.

For the Wiz, getting:

1) Allen would significantly improve our rim protection and rebounding. I also believe Allen has another gear in his offensive development. He has shown progress in the Bubble with his passing and he may end up shooting 3s (particularly from the corners). After all, he is only 22 years old! (same as Rui).
2) Temple (1 year Team Option at $5mn) would help improve the team culture with a trusted vet, who is solid defensively, can help in the wing and is friendly with our two co-stars.

Cheers!

Welcome Frichuela. Kevin's ideas are always well thought out, but I agree with you that Allen is a much more realistic target for the reasons you mentioned. We have a trade board - where fans of all teams can post ideas, and a few months ago I floated some ideas for the Wiz to get Allen and found many people there thought Allen had surprisingly little trade value. If they're right, we might be able to get him without including Bryant. I wouldn't mind having both of them. That would allow Bryant to match up against backups and dominate offensively. The problem would be when Allen becomes a free agent - in 2021. Still, he'd be an RFA, so we'd have some control.

[Frichuela]

Thank you Ruzious!

By all means, if we can keep Bryant even better. The issue would be salaries from 21-22 when Allen has to be paid (and Bryant would still have 1 year left). As you said, Allen will be an RFA, so I wonder if, in case we were to trade for him, we could agree for an extension straight away, where we would get him for something in the $12 mn/year range for a 3/4 year extension.

I also think that at #19 in this draft we may be able to find rookies with potential to become decent contributors. Specifically, Tyrell Terry may be a good bet: great 3 point sniper with long range and high IQ. His light weight is an issue but if he fills up and gains strength he could be a great compliment to our back court in 2-3 years.

[Ruzious]

Thank you Ruzious!

By all means, if we can keep Bryant even better. The issue would be salaries from 21-22 when Allen has to be paid (and Bryant would still have 1 year left). As you said, Allen will be an RFA, so I wonder if, in case we were to trade for him, we could agree for an extension straight away, where we would get him for something in the $12 mn/year range for a 3/4 year extension.

I also think that at #19 in this draft we may be able to find rookies with potential to become decent contributors. Specifically, Tyrell Terry may be a good bet: great 3 point sniper with long range and high IQ. His light weight is an issue but if he fills up and gains strength he could be a great compliment to our back court in 2-3 years.

Terry's definitely an interesting prospect for the reasons you mentioned. Milwaukee's picking around 20 or 21, and there are a bunch of folks on the Bucks board pushing for him. Compare his stats to Damian Lillard's when he was a freshman at Weber State - a lot of similarities. Obviously not saying he's going to be the next Lillard - just saying it's possible for him to succeed in trying to be that style of player.

[Ruzious]

Thank you Ruzious!

By all means, if we can keep Bryant even better. The issue would be salaries from 21-22 when Allen has to be paid (and Bryant would still have 1 year left). As you said, Allen will be an RFA, so I wonder if, in case we were to trade for him, we could agree for an extension straight away, where we would get him for something in the $12 mn/year range for a 3/4 year extension.

I also think that at #19 in this draft we may be able to find rookies with potential to become decent contributors. Specifically, Tyrell Terry may be a good bet: great 3 point sniper with long range and high IQ. His light weight is an issue but if he fills up and gains strength he could be a great compliment to our back court in 2-3 years.

Terry's definitely an interesting prospect for the reasons you mentioned. Milwaukee's picking around 20 or 21, and there are a bunch of folks on the Bucks board pushing for him. Compare his stats to Damian Lillard's when he was a freshman at Weber State - a lot of similarities. Obviously not saying he's going to be the next Lillard - just saying it's possible for him to succeed in trying to be that style of player.

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Another trade down scenario would be to pick a blocked/out of favor prospect.
I.E. 9 & Wagner to Orlando for 15 & Bamba
- Bamba is blocked by Vuc (Who plays a lot of minutes) as well as Birch and even Isaac playing some Center.

Boston for 14 & Robert Williams would also be a bit interesting... maybe 30 as well. But you get the point.

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Hi all,

Wiz/Bullets fan here, I have been reading this board for years, but have only posted once... ...

Welcome Frichuela! Great to have you here. I hope you become an active part of our Board -- please do! We need you!

...how about trading for Jarrett Allen? ... a package of (Thomas Bryant) + the #9/10 pick for Allen, Temple and the #19 pick.....

First off, you are right that Jarrett Allen is a terrific young player & would be a great get. He's been a favorite of CCJ & a few others among us (including me) since the 2017 draft: being unable to get him was one of the things we most held against Ernie's stupid signing of Nicholson & subsequent trade with New Jersey to bury his error!..

We had a pretty extended conversation about trading for Allen a few months ago. I started it, if I remember right. I'd have been happy to trade Bryant for him -- your very smart idea of evening the trade via an exchange of picks never occurred to me.

1) Allen would significantly improve our rim protection and rebounding. I also believe Allen has another gear in his offensive development. He has shown progress in the Bubble with his passing and he may end up shooting 3s (particularly from the corners). After all, he is only 22 years old! (same as Rui).
2) Temple (1 year Team Option at $5mn) would help improve the team culture with a trusted vet, who is solid defensively, can help in the wing and is friendly with our two co-stars....

Temple's salary makes the trade work easily, but he's not part of the value equation, since the Nets can simply decline his option (which seems likely to me anyway). We could then sign him for the veteran minimum instead of paying him $5m.

IOW, the value is Bryant & the 9th pick as against Allen & the 19th pick. That's a steal for us; I'd do it in a minute. Good work on your part!

In the previous discussion about trading for Allen, I suggested Rui straight up for him. I'd do that in a minute too. & I prefer it. I don't think Rui is a better player than Bryant or that there's any reason to be confident he ever will be. & Bryant's only 6 months older than Rui himself. Plus, we'd still have the #9 pick (which I would use to trade down, but more about that in another thread...).

Of course, my preferred trade is a total fantasy: the Wizards are not going to trade Rui Hachimura. My idea is irrelevant -- yours is practical! Let's do it!!

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Another trade down scenario would be to pick a blocked/out of favor prospect.
I.E. 9 & Wagner to Orlando for 15 & Bamba
- Bamba is blocked by Vuc (Who plays a lot of minutes) as well as Birch and even Isaac playing some Center.

Boston for 14 & Robert Williams would also be a bit interesting... maybe 30 as well. But you get the point.

Those are both great ideas! But... I don't think anyone is likely to value Wagner high enough to make a trade of this kind work.

[pcbothwel]

Another trade down scenario would be to pick a blocked/out of favor prospect.
I.E. 9 & Wagner to Orlando for 15 & Bamba
- Bamba is blocked by Vuc (Who plays a lot of minutes) as well as Birch and even Isaac playing some Center.

Boston for 14 & Robert Williams would also be a bit interesting... maybe 30 as well. But you get the point.

Those are both great ideas! But... I don't think anyone is likely to value Wagner high enough to make a trade of this kind work.

Mo is simply valued as backup Center who can play fundamental basketball and give you good minutes on a great contract. Id value him as a high 2nd round pick in this trade.

My thought is, Okoro, Cole Anthony, Vassell, and RJ Hampton are all prospects that will likely be available at 9, but not 14/15 (If they are not then that means either Haliburton or Okongwu would drop to us ....

Again, im willing to amend the trade (Our 2nd, Robinson, etc.) but I could see Orlando needing to get a wing as they are so top heavy with young bigs (Vuc, Bamba, Isaac, Gordon, Okeke, Aminu) and no solid wings.
I could see them falling in love with Okoro or Nesmith and making the move.