Can we please talk about what Adrian griffin ex has excused of him

[Pooh_Jeter]

This.

Like 10 posts before this you just called her a bitter and angry woman. Maybe follow your own advice?

Lol. I said three things that are entirely factual. I also said I don't know what Griffin is like and something is wrong (1). But when that kind of venom hits social media, it's 100% anger and bitterness (2 and 3). Or do you think she's just happy and working through the process. Look, I appreciate you trying to stand up for women, but don't try to slag me in the process because you're argument about hiring and HR laws are 100% incorrect.

You're trying to mansplain the actions of a woman who has made SERIOUS allegations. How do you know how she is thinking? You aren't in her shoes so don't speak for her.

[JN]

Not a good look for the Raptors organization

It doesn't reflect on the Raptors organization at all.

It's extremely unlikely they knew about this.

It does reflect on the Raptors organization, its their job to know the back ground of the employees they hire. If they didn’t know about this, thats even worse

Many spousal abuse issues are behind closed doors and never reported, or take some time and courage to get reported. It's not something that is always easily found in a background check. It is often an action that is silent to rest of the world, sadly.

[bon]

I am amazed by the people that still don't get why the police aren't called in a lot of these situations. It's usually men that question it.

If you could explain, I'd like to understand the rationality of telling Twitter instead of the authorities when being abused

[lolwut]

It is not legal to even ask someone if they are married but you expect an employer to know how their marriage is an ask his wife? No, I don't think people (anyone, anywhere, in any leadership capacity) does what you are suggesting. and I don't suspect they would lead for long if they do. What the actual ****.

So you're right breaking the law doing what you just suggested.... Do we ask for your employer to fire you and then resign if you actually did it?

i think you need to think about what would happen and the repercussions if an employer were allowed to talk with everyone you dated or friend you had.

You are completely naive if you think in the corporate world (particularly sports) that stuff like this isn't asked and investigated.

It's been documented what a lot of draft prospects are asked about and frankly the same goes for corporate employees. Read up on Aaron Hernandez.

We have seen case after case of organizations with rampant racial discrimination and sexual harassment being covered up and almost encouraged and you think someone asking what might be an indelicate question to actually PREVENT that stuff from happening is a no go?

No, you are completely out of line of you think large corporations do this! They have other means to determine a persons nature but what you're suggesting is insane bud. You may have come across some of these and not known the purpose of the test or line of questioning.

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS YOU ARE SUGGESTING PRECISELY BECAUSE IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED DISCRIMINATION!

Unless the job specifically requires the applicant to drive a car, even asking a question like "do you own a car?" is illegal. Almost anything that is not relevant to job performance is illegal to ask during an interview.

[Pooh_Jeter]

It is not legal to even ask someone if they are married but you expect an employer to know how their marriage is an ask his wife? No, I don't think people (anyone, anywhere, in any leadership capacity) does what you are suggesting. and I don't suspect they would lead for long if they do. What the actual ****.

So you're right breaking the law doing what you just suggested.... Do we ask for your employer to fire you and then resign if you actually did it?

i think you need to think about what would happen and the repercussions if an employer were allowed to talk with everyone you dated or friend you had.

You are completely naive if you think in the corporate world (particularly sports) that stuff like this isn't asked and investigated.

It's been documented what a lot of draft prospects are asked about and frankly the same goes for corporate employees. Read up on Aaron Hernandez.

We have seen case after case of organizations with rampant racial discrimination and sexual harassment being covered up and almost encouraged and you think someone asking what might be an indelicate question to actually PREVENT that stuff from happening is a no go?

It 100% isn't investigated. I have been on hiring committees for people that make a lot more than Adrian Griffin. If they ever abused someone and the case was never reported to police, we would never know. I have never heard of an organization that hires private investigators to learn more about potential hires. It would be a colossal waste of money, an invasion of privacy, and a great way to have talent avoid your organization.

Do you work for a sports team? It's 100% happened in the sports world. Being on hiring committees doesn't mean you have knowledge of every hiring process that has happened in the sports and entertainment industry. A lot of stuff goes on behind closed doors. Look at the Mavs and Washington Football team.

It also doesn't have to happen DURING the hiring process. Perhaps you became aware at a later date. That has also happened countless times in the sports world. Look at college athletics, coaches and AD's will literally deal with police themselves to resolve issues.

[Raps in 4]

Let the legal system deal with it. It was right response. If there's legal dispute Raptors shouldn't start investigation of their employee.

This is like telling minorities who are getting killed by police to let the legal system deal with it. Women who have suffered harassment, abuse, etc. etc. often times don't report incidents to the authorities because they know it never ends up going somewhere.

This individual didn't go to police. The legal system didn't fail her. The two scenarios are nothing alike.

Griffin and her are engaged in a civil dispute. The Raptors aren't responsible for doing anything here.

If she decides to press criminal charges and a formal investigation is launched, then the Raptors would absolutely suspend him until the completion of the investigation (or even terminate his employment). But there is no reason for them do anything about a civil case that isn't even about the abuse allegations.

Let's say the Raptors suspend him. When would they revoke the suspension? There is no active case, which means the suspension would be indefinite. They would be terminating someone over Twitter allegations.

[MixxSRC]

Let the legal system deal with it. It was right response. If there's legal dispute Raptors shouldn't start investigation of their employee.

This is like telling minorities who are getting killed by police to let the legal system deal with it. Women who have suffered harassment, abuse, etc. etc. often times don't report incidents to the authorities because they know it never ends up going somewhere.

So a capitalist sports organization should handle it? Listen to what you talking about.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Dang just read OP

[Raps in 4]

You are completely naive if you think in the corporate world (particularly sports) that stuff like this isn't asked and investigated.

It's been documented what a lot of draft prospects are asked about and frankly the same goes for corporate employees. Read up on Aaron Hernandez.

We have seen case after case of organizations with rampant racial discrimination and sexual harassment being covered up and almost encouraged and you think someone asking what might be an indelicate question to actually PREVENT that stuff from happening is a no go?

It 100% isn't investigated. I have been on hiring committees for people that make a lot more than Adrian Griffin. If they ever abused someone and the case was never reported to police, we would never know. I have never heard of an organization that hires private investigators to learn more about potential hires. It would be a colossal waste of money, an invasion of privacy, and a great way to have talent avoid your organization.

Do you work for a sports team? It's 100% happened in the sports world. Being on hiring committees doesn't mean you have knowledge of every hiring process that has happened in the sports and entertainment industry. A lot of stuff goes on behind closed doors. Look at the Mavs and Washington Football team.

I worked in HR. I was literally privy to everything that went on in the hiring process. No, it wasn't a sports team, but it was a multinational company worth over a billion dollars. The practices are the same. Nobody hires private investigators in any industry to spy on potential hires.

[Los Manos]

This is despicable. Instead of an actual investigation, the Raptors organization took a side. I'm ashamed to be a Raptors fan.

This is really bad. They are just letting Griffin handle it on his own and not doing anything about it. Unbelievable

In any other organization the person would be on a leave of absence or at the very worst, fired.

It's beyond weak. For an organization that puffed out it's chest having a BLM painted bus, hiring a diversity coordinator and having gender diversity in the corporate structure this taints it all and makes you really wonder about their motivations.

The organisation have stated they support “the process” not the man. That process is a legal one and is exactly the correct response. The organisation knows more facts about this than anyone in the thread. The court of public opinion is not where this should be settled. If there is evidence or a criminal charge forthcoming it is in the hands of prosecutors. If there is a slander lawsuit forthcoming against the accuser then so be it. This assumption based on a spurious allegation on social media that an employer now should act outside of the law is just absurd.

[VanWest82]

Raptors need to investigate this and make sure she isn't sitting on incriminating video or photos. They really don't need a Ray Rice situation in the middle of the playoffs. But without actual evidence their hands are probably tied even if they don't believe him (and it sounds like they do). If Griffin doesn't land a head coaching job I could still see them agreeing to part ways in the off season. This is ugly.

[Pooh_Jeter]

Let the legal system deal with it. It was right response. If there's legal dispute Raptors shouldn't start investigation of their employee.

This is like telling minorities who are getting killed by police to let the legal system deal with it. Women who have suffered harassment, abuse, etc. etc. often times don't report incidents to the authorities because they know it never ends up going somewhere.

So a capitalist sports organization should handle it? Listen to what you talking about.

We live in a capitalist society. Listen to what you talking about.

I guess no one should do anything then.

[Jcity08]

Let the legal system deal with it. It was right response. If there's legal dispute Raptors shouldn't start investigation of their employee.

This is like telling minorities who are getting killed by police to let the legal system deal with it. Women who have suffered harassment, abuse, etc. etc. often times don't report incidents to the authorities because they know it never ends up going somewhere.

There's video, audio and eye witness evidence in all the case of police brutality that go anywhere and its through legal loopholes or Police Union bylaws that allows some cops to keep their jobs.

Black people produce receipts, unless they're name is Jussie Smollett.

What you're advocating is preemptive invasion of privacy to produce evidence of guilt.

[Raps in 4]

This is like telling minorities who are getting killed by police to let the legal system deal with it. Women who have suffered harassment, abuse, etc. etc. often times don't report incidents to the authorities because they know it never ends up going somewhere.

So a capitalist sports organization should handle it? Listen to what you talking about.

We live in a capitalist society. Listen to what you talking about.

I guess no one should do anything then.

The legal system is there to deal with these matters. If someone chooses not to take legal action, there is nothing someone else can do about it.

The Raptors aren't going to terminate an employee because of accusations levied against him on Twitter. If there was a legal case against him, the situation would be very different.

[notaname]

The litigation has been ongoing for 5 years.

http://www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.org/CourtCaseSearch/DocketSearch.aspx

Search for GRIFFIN [space] ADRIAN

Select a Division: Domestic Relations/Child Support

[lolwut]

This is like telling minorities who are getting killed by police to let the legal system deal with it. Women who have suffered harassment, abuse, etc. etc. often times don't report incidents to the authorities because they know it never ends up going somewhere.

So a capitalist sports organization should handle it? Listen to what you talking about.

We live in a capitalist society. Listen to what you talking about.

I guess no one should do anything then.

The ex wife should be pressing charges if she is truthful about the allegations.

Has she done this? Do you know?

[MixxSRC]

This is like telling minorities who are getting killed by police to let the legal system deal with it. Women who have suffered harassment, abuse, etc. etc. often times don't report incidents to the authorities because they know it never ends up going somewhere.

So a capitalist sports organization should handle it? Listen to what you talking about.

We live in a capitalist society. Listen to what you talking about.

I guess no one should do anything then.

We live in the real world where there's process for these things. Not your employer conducting investigations.

[Johnny Bball]

Like 10 posts before this you just called her a bitter and angry woman. Maybe follow your own advice?

Lol. I said three things that are entirely factual. I also said I don't know what Griffin is like and something is wrong (1). But when that kind of venom hits social media, it's 100% anger and bitterness (2 and 3). Or do you think she's just happy and working through the process. Look, I appreciate you trying to stand up for women, but don't try to slag me in the process because you're argument about hiring and HR laws are 100% incorrect.

You're trying to mansplain the actions of a woman who has made SERIOUS allegations. How do you know how she is thinking? You aren't in her shoes so don't speak for her.

Lol nah. I'm not mansplaing or explaining her actions at all. I'm just making an entirely factual observation. How do I know she's angry and bitter... well, for those paying attention, she just told us. I don't need her shoes to see the obvious. There may be reasons she is. There may not be. I didn't argue that or even discuss is. Would you like to keep reading into up what you think I said? Or talking about breaking hiring laws that are there to stop discrimination? Or we done now?

The litigation has been ongoing for 5 years.

http://www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.org/CourtCaseSearch/DocketSearch.aspx

Search for GRIFFIN [space] ADRIAN

Select a Division: Domestic Relations/Child Support

And that would fit the definition of a bitter divorce, 3-4 years ago.

[ForeverTFC]

Let the legal system deal with it. It was right response. If there's legal dispute Raptors shouldn't start investigation of their employee.

This is like telling minorities who are getting killed by police to let the legal system deal with it. Women who have suffered harassment, abuse, etc. etc. often times don't report incidents to the authorities because they know it never ends up going somewhere.

One is a societal issue, the other is a private family matter. This is far from apples to apples.

[Raps in 4]

Raptors need to investigate this and make sure she isn't sitting on incriminating video or photos. They really don't need a Ray Rice situation in the middle of the playoffs. But without actual evidence their hands are probably tied even if they don't believe him (and it sounds like they do). If Griffin doesn't land a head coaching job I could still see them agreeing to part ways in the off season.

They don't have any authority to investigate anything. She isn't an employee and the abuse didn't happen in the workplace. The only institution that can investigate this is the police.