Can we please talk about what Adrian griffin ex has excused of him

[13th Man]

Oh, if I had a daughter and she told me her man/husband was abusive I would 1) pack her **** for her 2) beat his ass.

I will, however, never tell her to go publicly and shot him down.

You call me a piece of **** all you want, but save it for when you need to explain yourself If you ever get caught in your lowest moments.

She is seeking revenge, but it's ok because she wants to bring up incidents that have nothing to do with what's going on now. Especially considering she goes out of her way to mention all these media members in her tweet.

I don't support people seeking revenge.

You're a piece of ****

Wasn’t gonna be me, but At least someone said it.

Why resort to name calling for someone expressing his opinion? That is against forum rules is it not?

[13th Man]

The organisation have stated they support “the process” not the man. That process is a legal one and is exactly the correct response. The organisation knows more facts about this than anyone in the thread. The court of public opinion is not where this should be settled. If there is evidence or a criminal charge forthcoming it is in the hands of prosecutors. If there is a slander lawsuit forthcoming against the accuser then so be it. This assumption based on a spurious allegation on social media that an employer now should act outside of the law is just absurd.

Agreed. Anyone can throw out allegations left and right. #MeeToo was a BS narrative, full of hypocrisy from those that supported it.

This is not like Ray Rice where there was evidence to to support the case, let the courts handle this.

Woah hold on there my man, just to be clear I fully support #MeToo it should happened decades earlier and was very happy to see some of societies most prolific misogynists get what they deserved in court and help draw a clear line in the sand for future generations.

On this isolated case however there are many apparent reasons to not jump to any conclusions and to let the ongoing legal disputes play out. One twitter post should not lead anybody to be calling for the lynch mob.

I respect your opinion but I don't support #metoo. I support facts first.

[Johnny Bball]

Amazing that people think there is actual justice in the justice system. How many instances of the abused not getting protected do you need to see before you wonder why people don't take that route? Women who are the victims of sexual assault or domestic abuse in particular. Look at USA gymnastics, look at the thousands upon thousands of rape kits that go untested. These individuals have cold, hard evidence and still nothing gets done often times.

Also amazing that people believe that multi million dollar corporations go by the letter of the law at all times even if it could protect themselves.

It doesn't protect them. It creates a huge liability and opens them to be sued. And once your guilty of discrimination, it opens a hornets nest **** storm. This is why corporations do follow the law in this regard.

You can call for references. That's it. Even then, if you are the one giving the reference, you better be 100% sure if you are making any accusations or saying something that defames a person, because if it comes back to the person as the reason they didn't get the job, you could be sued yet again. And that is Canada, not even the US. People are very cryptic when giving references when iit iis not positive.

[TheRealDeal]

I wish my dad would send me a $200 Visa gift card for food

[TheAlchemist]

I understand that abuse and violence, as well as adultery and affairs, are serious matters.

There is no room for this in todays society.

That being said there are numerous issues with her post and it must be stated.

1. She posted this the day after Adrian Griffin had his first coaching win. I'm not saying to keep silent at all, but there's a time and a place for this. It's obviously a reactive / impulse based tweet.

2. If ANY women at all is being abused, she should call the cops immediately after. I know there's a lot of issues with abuse, such as manipulation, emotional and psychological abuse and other factors that prolong reporting to the police. That being said, if it comes to the point of making online and public tweets, one should call the cops way before then. It's a serious thing to be choked / punched while being pregnant.

3. If the police have attended to the matter and this is more of a civil issue with child support and alimony pay, both parties should keep it respectable and in house. Nobody wins from hanging your dirty laundry out.

Todays society and outrage culture makes life difficult for men and women. If this situation is left up to the judges and the law, it is best served for the ex wife to use that avenue. Publicly calling him out and shaming him does no good , especially if the allegations are false.

There is much to learn from this situation and Adrian needs to be aware of his actions if he did do it. He also needs to make amends because in the end of the day, the damage can be great.

[J-Roc]

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Are those demanding a full investigation satisfied with this??

[ItsDanger]

Is this going to be on Open Gym?

[ender]

Like 10 posts before this you just called her a bitter and angry woman. Maybe follow your own advice?

Lol. I said three things that are entirely factual. I also said I don't know what Griffin is like and something is wrong (1). But when that kind of venom hits social media, it's 100% anger and bitterness (2 and 3). Or do you think she's just happy and working through the process. Look, I appreciate you trying to stand up for women, but don't try to slag me in the process because you're argument about hiring and HR laws are 100% incorrect.

You're trying to mansplain the actions of a woman who has made SERIOUS allegations. How do you know how she is thinking? You aren't in her shoes so don't speak for her.

Is that why you are speaking for her? You know what she is thinking? You confuse me.

[MixxSRC]

People think MLSE have Special Victims Unit....

[t54zhao]

ITT: People mad that the Raptors won't cancel an assistant coach because his bitter ex-wife (with whom he has a court case) alleges abuse.

If you guys are gullible enough to believe anyone who calls themselves a victim, I pity you. Wait for the evidence (that she alleges she has) to come out and let the legal process sort itself out.

Until then, remain skeptical of all sides.

[fianchetto]

This is just it. Nobody has said Griffin should be fired or is guilty, just that we should listen to her.

The only concrete statements being made are those people who are saying she's a gold digger. Basically the equivalent to bashing a sexual assault victim when they come forward.

A worthy read: https://www.theatlantic.com/press-releases/archive/2019/07/an-epidemic-of-disbelief-august-issue/594145/

Thanks for having sense Duffman. Troubling posts in the thread. Thanks for standing up to ignorance.

The Atlantic is a left leaning publication. One thing that I've learned over the past view years is not not trust the media which is 90% left leaning, not one ounce. There is zero integrity in journalism and in the media these days. Totally biased and agenda driven.

Read both sides, as I do. And read critically. Good journalism exists.

The Atlantic is ridiculously left leaning and overly politicizes things, but read the piece before you judge. It’s worth a read.

[DG88]

Expected response from Griffin and the Raptors. This is a civil matter between Adrian Griffin and his ex-wife. Clearly there is animosity brewing as this case has gone for 5 years now. Anyone saying that the Raptors need to either suspend or fire Griffin, needs to read up on workplace investigations. The organization has no right to investigate a personal matter as it would be discriminatory. Unless his wife was an employee of the Raptors and it was brought to HR/People and Culture, then they would have every right to do an investigation.

Based on the current evidence out there right now (twitter) the only thing we can say is that Mr and Mrs. Griffin filed for divorce 5 years ago. Child support and alimony have been discussed in the civil suit. She has gone on twitter to vent about Mr. Griffin as a narcissists, abuser and not providing child support.

Imo she's making this public to speed up the process of the divorce. No one can say whether what she's saying is true, only Mr. and Mrs. Griffin can in a court of law.

[fianchetto]

You're a piece of ****

Wasn’t gonna be me, but At least someone said it.

Why resort to name calling for someone expressing his opinion? That is against forum rules is it not?

Well, I wasn’t going to do it because it’s against the rules. But the kid’s posts deserve to be called out for being scummy.

[TheAlchemist]

I think the elephant in the room here, is the belief that there is an institutional and ideological war, between men and women.

Men who are flat out tired of the "Me too" movement, believe that radical feminism has tilted the courts in the favor of women, especially those who flat out exploit men.

Since there are heavy repercussions from the divorce process, there is a large population of men who believe that the slant of "toxic masculinity", as well as "male abuse' , has made exploiting men much easier. Some feminists believe that the historical patriarchy of men now needs to be balanced and will do whatever it takes to make a bias against the modern man.

On the other hand, rape, assault, and abuse within and out of relationships are common against women. We all have mothers, sisters, and my personal belief is most men do not want to treat women or others, with inherent disrespect and abuse.

There are nuances to this situation with complexities and truths, that both leftists and rights need to understand.

The role of the government interfering within the family dynamic is an important one, but is hotly debated.

And of course Money is a prime motivator for this. Court and judicial systems make a huge revenue from this.

Does lawyering up against a former spouse or lover help, or just tear each other down? This system can definitely help abused women, but how can we have a balanced and fair judicial system, without ideological slant?

What I do know is, there needs to be more open and honest dialog between people about this. Many people on this board don't take the time to be as fair and accurate, as well as objective and honest.

I come from a country where poverty is so high, that daughters are being sold to men in China, as wives/partners/slaves. Abuse against women is so much more rampant in third world countries, It is disgusting.

In order to make the world a better place, we must ask ourselves the question, how can we help and be fair?

A fair and objective lens is perhaps the most needed thing when it comes to such affairs.

[simmons21]

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Yikes..."support the process as he and his former partner settle these matters" Did they miss the part of the allegation about banging teenage ball girls and choking people?

That's just a bizarre PR choice from an org that is usually really savvy. All they needed to say was that they are investigating the claims...etc.

[ATLTimekeeper]

1. She posted this the day after Adrian Griffin had his first coaching win. I'm not saying to keep silent at all, but there's a time and a place for this. It's obviously a reactive / impulse based tweet.

Sounds like she kept silent for a long time. Who are we to decide when it's appropriate? If she's telling the truth, there's no time like the present.

2. If ANY women at all is being abused, she should call the cops immediately after. I know there's a lot of issues with abuse, such as manipulation, emotional and psychological abuse and other factors that prolong reporting to the police. That being said, if it comes to the point of making online and public tweets, one should call the cops way before then. It's a serious thing to be choked / punched while being pregnant.

And if she didn't, she didn't. Happens all the time. Happened to a friend of my wife's just a week ago. The guy will get away with it. There's often very good reasons for not going to the police, even if that seems like the correct thing to do at the time.

3. If the police have attended to the matter and this is more of a civil issue with child support and alimony pay, both parties should keep it respectable and in house. Nobody wins from hanging your dirty laundry out.

I think if there were police reports then they'd have surfaced by now. This is the internet, after all.

[OGLife]

Expected response from Griffin and the Raptors. This is a civil matter between Adrian Griffin and his ex-wife. Clearly there is animosity brewing as this case has gone for 5 years now. Anyone saying that the Raptors need to either suspend or fire Griffin, needs to read up on workplace investigations. The organization has no right to investigate a personal matter as it would be discriminatory. Unless his wife was an employee of the Raptors and it was brought to HR/People and Culture, then they would have every right to do an investigation.

Based on the current evidence out there right now (twitter) the only thing we can say is that Mr and Mrs. Griffin filed for divorce 5 years ago. Child support and alimony have been discussed in the civil suit. She has gone on twitter to vent about Mr. Griffin as a narcissists, abuser and not providing child support.

Imo she's making this public to speed up the process of the divorce. No one can say whether what she's saying is true, only Mr. and Mrs. Griffin can in a court of law.

Nothing "speeds up" any legal proceedings only laws that requires things to be conducted on certain timelines.

[Raps in 4]

This is just it. Nobody has said Griffin should be fired or is guilty, just that we should listen to her.

The only concrete statements being made are those people who are saying she's a gold digger. Basically the equivalent to bashing a sexual assault victim when they come forward.

A worthy read: https://www.theatlantic.com/press-releases/archive/2019/07/an-epidemic-of-disbelief-august-issue/594145/

Thanks for having sense Duffman. Troubling posts in the thread. Thanks for standing up to ignorance.

The Atlantic is a left leaning publication. One thing that I've learned over the past view years is not not trust the media which is 90% left leaning, not one ounce. There is zero integrity in journalism and in the media these days. Totally biased and agenda driven.

That wasn't an opinion piece...

[Raps in 4]

Agreed. Anyone can throw out allegations left and right. #MeeToo was a BS narrative, full of hypocrisy from those that supported it.

This is not like Ray Rice where there was evidence to to support the case, let the courts handle this.

Woah hold on there my man, just to be clear I fully support #MeToo it should happened decades earlier and was very happy to see some of societies most prolific misogynists get what they deserved in court and help draw a clear line in the sand for future generations.

On this isolated case however there are many apparent reasons to not jump to any conclusions and to let the ongoing legal disputes play out. One twitter post should not lead anybody to be calling for the lynch mob.

I respect your opinion but I don't support #metoo. I support facts first.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[BobbyHill]

"Believe women". I do which is why i believe their daughter.