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wco81 · Post #721 » by **wco81** » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:18 am

Dame scores 61 but win 134-131 in regulation.

Best outcome for Warriors would be Philly getting to Finals or the ECF, denying Milwaukee but also showing they go further without Simmons.

Coxy · Post #722 » by **Coxy** » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:01 pm

wco81 wrote:Dame scores 61 but win 134-131 in regulation.

Best outcome for Warriors would be Philly getting to Finals or the ECF, denying Milwaukee but also showing they go further without Simmons.

So then we get the chance at heammhoraging our future for a seriously flawed player that when he became injured, his team got better without him?

Sounds like fun, not.

ILOVEIT · Post #723 » by **ILOVEIT** » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:02 pm

wco81 wrote:Dame scores 61 but win 134-131 in regulation.

Best outcome for Warriors would be Philly getting to Finals or the ECF, denying Milwaukee but also showing they go further without Simmons.

I like the way you are thinking

ILOVEIT · Post #724 » by **ILOVEIT** » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:05 pm

Go Portland. Would love love LOVE a LeBron first round exit .... sweet. Mostly because it really puts pressure on AD's decicion. Does he really want to stay on a team with a 36 year old LeBron and not much other help. CP3 or Beal going to Lakers would be the only way to rescue that team.

AD has sort of taken a step back IMO....but would still love him in play for a the Warriors if they are able to intrigue him.

wco81 · Post #725 » by **wco81** » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:13 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:Go Portland. Would love love LOVE a LeBron first round exit .... sweet. Mostly because it really puts pressure on AD's decicion. Does he really want to stay on a team with a 36 year old LeBron and not much other help. CP3 or Beal going to Lakers would be the only way to rescue that team.

AD has sort of taken a step back IMO....but would still love him in play for a the Warriors if they are able to intrigue him.

Lakers may be able to add a big free agent since they gave a lot of short term deals last summer.

Mylie10 · Post #726 » by **Mylie10** » Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:03 pm

Mylie10 wrote:Pacers might move on from Nate McMillan. It’s weird because he seems to get teams to a good spot and then they get rid of him. I feel like the Pacers have over achieved the last couple years.

I wonder if he’s just tough to deal with on a daily basis.

Looks like I was wrong. Pacers stepped up and extended Nate. Props to him.

Mylie10 · Post #727 » by **Mylie10** » Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:03 pm

Didn’t know Joe Dumars was with the Kings. I’d like to see him take over as GM and see what he could do.

ILOVEIT · Post #728 » by **ILOVEIT** » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:46 pm

Mylie10 wrote:Didn’t know Joe Dumars was with the Kings. I’d like to see him take over as GM and see what he could do.

I would as well.

whatisacenter · Post #729 » by **whatisacenter** » Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:04 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:Didn’t know Joe Dumars was with the Kings. I’d like to see him take over as GM and see what he could do.

I would as well.

I wouldn't

https://palaceofpistons.com/2020/04/06/why-did-joe-dumars-have-two-phones/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2022262-ranking-joe-dumars-worst-moves-as-detroit-pistons-gm

ShayDee · Post #730 » by **ShayDee** » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:03 am

Watch on YouTube

Miss the Slim reaper

Post #731 » by **Chris Porter's Hair** » Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:16 pm

I gotta raise a glass to Phoenix. If you'd told me ahead of time they'd run the table in the bubble, I NEVER would have believed you. Doing that and still missing the playoffs is reminiscent of the year after We Believe when we had the best record ever to miss the playoffs. Good for them; that's a long struggling franchise, so happy for them if they're turning it around.

And yes. Portland is also one of the more likable non-Warriors teams for me, and Lillard is a blast. I'd love to see them knock off the Lakers.

wco81 · Post #732 » by **wco81** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:48 am

They got real good play out of two of their young wings, Bridges and Cam Johnson, a pick people questioned.

So now, the question is, will they try to move off Oubre, who's got 1 year left and wants big money?

As for Portland, I'd like to see an upset but they can't defend worth **** and CJ is injured. Dame can't score 50 every night.

Scoots1994 · Post #733 » by **Scoots1994** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:03 am

ILOVEIT wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:Didn’t know Joe Dumars was with the Kings. I’d like to see him take over as GM and see what he could do.

I would as well.

You may get your wish.

ShayDee · Post #734 » by **ShayDee** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:39 am

wco81 wrote:They got real good play out of two of their young wings, Bridges and Cam Johnson, a pick people questioned.

So now, the question is, will they try to move off Oubre, who's got 1 year left and wants big money?

As for Portland, I'd like to see an upset but they can't defend worth **** and CJ is injured. Dame can't score 50 every night.

According to a rumor they want to move off Oubre but I wouldn't give a 1st or trade back for him

Warriors Analyst · Post #735 » by **Warriors Analyst** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:10 am

ShayDee wrote:
wco81 wrote:They got real good play out of two of their young wings, Bridges and Cam Johnson, a pick people questioned.

So now, the question is, will they try to move off Oubre, who's got 1 year left and wants big money?

As for Portland, I'd like to see an upset but they can't defend worth **** and CJ is injured. Dame can't score 50 every night.

According to a rumor they want to move off Oubre but I wouldn't give a 1st or trade back for him

Phoenix just went undefeated in the bubble without Oubre and Ayton, both of whom have been oft discussed targets for the Warriors. That bodes well for their availability. That may also bode poorly as to their utility and effectiveness. Phoenix' offense improved putting Cam Johnson at the 4 and having Bridges wreck fools on defense. In the absence of Baynes, Saric became their defacto backup 5 to great success.

What is unclear is if that small sample size of success would withstand the rigor of a full season. I think most teams are hip to the fact that putting as many skilled players on the floor -- regardless of size -- is a winning formula. It just so happens that most skilled guys are under 6'8 so you see lots 3's become 4's and teams committing to only have one traditional big on the floor at once.

Phoenix seems to have stumbled onto a winning formula, but that may not work over a full season for various reasons, but namely that you need to preserve the bodies of your players. Oubre and Baynes are at the absolute worst, necessary minutes sponges in Phoenix, but both of them have shown the ability to be impact players.

But watching Phoenix have success going small makes me more convinced that more teams are going to go smaller and faster over the next years. Kerr has already talked about Draymond playing more at the 5 next year, but they will need at least one big 5 for the bigger frontcourts. I dunno, it's all food for thought.

ShayDee · Post #736 » by **ShayDee** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:29 am

Warriors Analyst wrote:
ShayDee wrote:
wco81 wrote:They got real good play out of two of their young wings, Bridges and Cam Johnson, a pick people questioned.

So now, the question is, will they try to move off Oubre, who's got 1 year left and wants big money?

As for Portland, I'd like to see an upset but they can't defend worth **** and CJ is injured. Dame can't score 50 every night.

According to a rumor they want to move off Oubre but I wouldn't give a 1st or trade back for him

Phoenix just went undefeated in the bubble without Oubre and Ayton, both of whom have been oft discussed targets for the Warriors. That bodes well for their availability. That may also bode poorly as to their utility and effectiveness. Phoenix' offense improved putting Cam Johnson at the 4 and having Bridges wreck fools on defense. In the absence of Baynes, Saric became their defacto backup 5 to great success.

What is unclear is if that small sample size of success would withstand the rigor of a full season. I think most teams are hip to the fact that putting as many skilled players on the floor -- regardless of size -- is a winning formula. It just so happens that most skilled guys are under 6'8 so you see lots 3's become 4's and teams committing to only have one traditional big on the floor at once.

Phoenix seems to have stumbled onto a winning formula, but that may not work over a full season for various reasons, but namely that you need to preserve the bodies of your players. Oubre and Baynes are at the absolute worst, necessary minutes sponges in Phoenix, but both of them have shown the ability to be impact players.

But watching Phoenix have success going small makes me more convinced that more teams are going to go smaller and faster over the next years. Kerr has already talked about Draymond playing more at the 5 next year, but they will need at least one big 5 for the bigger frontcourts. I dunno, it's all food for thought.

We normalized small ball which Rockets are copying and whooping their ass for like 3 years? Also the rumor said Baynes is like, extra extra sought after this summer LMAO. Like this is the quote:

Aron Baynes is the hottest FA. A lot of teams want him and teams like Charlotte are targeting him with a nice salary. His fit to PnR heavy teams is appealing.

Bro alot of stuff is going to happen this summer, the playoffs also determines many outcomes. So many moving picks, dumping contracts, FA signings. If we are being extra realistic, I think for starting C, Wiseman is the most realistic target depending on our draft position. If we don't get Wiseman, Chriss is going to start because the only Cs I will accept as starters are Gasol(I don't really like it because he is old and almost washed), Ibaka(He is suspect sometimes but What we need from him is defense and open midrange shots mostly), and Baynes from this summer

Every other FA C is not starter level quality I'm sorry. Noel? No, WCS? no, Favors? He looked like complete ass with horrible defending, no offensive game whatsoever, no motivation, I'd hate him. Plumlee? not starter, Drummond? sure if he accepts MLE, Cousins? no, Whiteside? LOL, Biyombo? no, Olynyk? Debatable but he will struggle against starting Cs, Dwight? LAL want to even get rid of him, Tristian Kardashian? debatable, he started shooting 3s last year, seems ok ish but I don't know how his defense would hold, he might not accept MLE, LAL want to sign him cuz LeGM maybe?

LAL is targeting Tristan Thompson and wants to move from Dwight Howard

Just not many starter quality Cs that are available. PHX want to re-sign Baynes that's why they want to move from Oubre I think, Gasol and Ibaka would probably go back to raps next year, they legit have no Cs on the roster. So Wiseman/Chriss would most likely start for us next year or it would be someone I hate.

Also small ball works if 4/5 of players on the floor are 3point threats making the opposing C have to leave the paint for drives and kicks. We luckily had KD for size if needed, jury is out for Wiggins but what he showed this past season guarding both AD and Lebron is promising. We still need that one threat on the perimeter with size or excellent shooting ability, that's why I like Desmond Bane and Saddiq Bey alot and I don't hate Vassel and Nesmith, Precious (I prefer him to Okoro) could also be a deadly small ball C as he is Draymond lite in the sense he can defend 1-5(or at least 2-5), good motor, can rebound and run a fast break(that's an elite skill btw) someone just needs to teach him the game and he would be one of the best players in this draft, Haliburton myabe? but his defense and shooting is extremely suspect

Maybe a FA wing/a TPE target could also fit in. Decent TPE guys: Oubre if he falls in line and accepts bench without complain, Tony Snell is elite at 3 and above average at D, Rudy Gay could be a dream scenario as he is a vet and his play in the bubble was very very good

superunknown · Post #737 » by **superunknown** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:27 am

I would not take 8 games in the bubble as a reliable sample.
And that's not just for the suns.
It seems to me that many people, including the so called "experts" and "sport analysts" aka talking heads, have been carried away too far by this recent stream of "peculiar" basketball games.
there are many factors affecting a normal NBA season (first one on top my head being travel schedule with relating stress/fatigue/lack of rest, which has been completely non-existent in the bubble given the fact all teams in play were there so there was no travelling involved at all).
It's not possible to draw conclusions based on that.
Honestly, based on what I've seen in the bubble so far, I'd have to conclude that steph would average 60 points a game with 60% shooting from the 3 point line and 50% shooting from 40 feet from the basket next season. which, as exceptional steph is, is hard to even imagine.

Scoots1994 · Post #738 » by **Scoots1994** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:57 pm

wco81 wrote:They got real good play out of two of their young wings, Bridges and Cam Johnson, a pick people questioned.

So now, the question is, will they try to move off Oubre, who's got 1 year left and wants big money?

As for Portland, I'd like to see an upset but they can't defend worth **** and CJ is injured. Dame can't score 50 every night.

I had really hoped Cam would slip to the Warriors.

DAWill1128 · Post #739 » by **DAWill1128** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:44 pm

It's a real shame the Grizzlies turned out decent and JV balled out this year. If Memphis had been bad I would have used the TPE with a pick swap to get Jonas, he would have solidified us.

Also like Kyle Anderson as a steady 2nd unit guy like Livingston was.

Scoots1994 · Post #740 » by **Scoots1994** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:51 am

DAWill1128 wrote:It's a real shame the Grizzlies turned out decent and JV balled out this year. If Memphis had been bad I would have used the TPE with a pick swap to get Jonas, he would have solidified us.

Also like Kyle Anderson as a steady 2nd unit guy like Livingston was.

Anderson would be good. Doesn't add athleticism, but he thinks the game the way the Warriors like.