Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[Prokorov]

Prince/Temple/Musa/Claxton for Harrison Barnes?

yes but why do it if youre the kings?

[Prokorov]

Yes, the deal works, and I would hate losing Claxton for this paltry return.

I'm not a fan of Prince, but I'd rather have him @$14mil on the bench than Barnes @$22mil. Harrison is not good enough to beat either of Levert or Harris for a starting spot IMO, and doesn't really stretch the floor or defend like you'd want from a combo forward. Bjelica is the Kings forward I would want.

How does barnes not stretch the floor? he has been at 38-40% form three on decent volume for 4 straight years and played a starting 3 & D role on a championship team. he would beat out both harris and levert. better defender than both and can also play some 4 unlike those 2. greta fit with KD and Kyrie

[Papi_swav]

I'm glad resigning Joe is priority number 1. Not sure how much he should make but we will be waaaayyyy over the cap. It seems more and more likely that one of Din or Levert will be gone. I'm thinking Din because he only has one year left and he will command big money, but that will be a sad day.

[DarkXaero]

Yes, the deal works, and I would hate losing Claxton for this paltry return.

I'm not a fan of Prince, but I'd rather have him @$14mil on the bench than Barnes @$22mil. Harrison is not good enough to beat either of Levert or Harris for a starting spot IMO, and doesn't really stretch the floor or defend like you'd want from a combo forward. Bjelica is the Kings forward I would want.

How does barnes not stretch the floor? he has been at 38-40% form three on decent volume for 4 straight years and played a starting 3 & D role on a championship team. he would beat out both harris and levert. better defender than both and can also play some 4 unlike those 2. greta fit with KD and Kyrie

Eh, I don't think barnes is that guy. He's an okay player but doesn't really move the needle for us much. I don't think he's that good on either end of the floor, and he was the weakest link in that Warriors team. I might take him for cheap, but trading Claxton, it would be selling low on a talented prospect.

[DarkXaero]

I'm gonna mention another name as a possible trade option who I didn't really think about before: Larry Nance Jr. He's an actual PF who has quietly developed a nice perimeter game over these last two seasons. He shoots 35% from 3 (37.7% on catch & shoot 3s), very efficient overall (~61% TS%), a good mobile, versatile defender, and a strong rebounder/hustle player.

He can be a very good role player for a contender, and he's on a lotto team which already has a highly paid player at his position (Love). He is making an average of $11 mill/yr over the next 3 seasons, so he's locked up on a nice team friendly deal. I'm not sure what it would take to get him, but I think he can be a realistic target.

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[MrDollarBills]

I'm gonna mention another name as a possible trade option who I didn't really think about before: Larry Nance Jr. He's an actual PF who has quietly developed a nice perimeter game over these last two seasons. He shoots 35% from 3 (37.7% on catch & shoot 3s), very efficient overall (~61% TS%), a good mobile, versatile defender, and a strong rebounder/hustle player.

He can be a very good role player for a contender, and he's on a lotto team which already has a highly paid player at his position (Love). He is making an average of $11 mill/yr over the next 3 seasons, so he's locked up on a nice team friendly deal. I'm not sure what it would take to get him, but I think he can be a realistic target.

He would be a much needed fit at back up PF/Small ball C BUT I don't want to give up a lot of assets to get him....I'm not sure what Cleveland would want at this point.

[TheNetsFan]

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I love that Lowe echoes what many of those that are high on LeVert have said:

Re Lavine: Maybe Lavine is better, but Lowe doesn't think so. Regardless, it would not be enough of an upgrade to move the needle.

Re Gobert: Obvious fit, but Allen is good and improving.

Re Jrue: Decent fit. Maybe worth it

Re Beal: The only name possibly out there that would make a certainly better big 3.

[ecuhus1981]

I love that Lowe echoes what many of those that are high on LeVert have said:

Re Lavine: Maybe Lavine is better, but Lowe doesn't think so. Regardless, it would not be enough of an upgrade to move the needle.

Re Gobert: Obvious fit, but Allen is good and improving.

Re Jrue: Decent fit. Maybe worth it

Re Beal: The only name possibly out there that would make a certainly better big 3.

I agree with most of this. But I've made a 180 on Beal.

First, he doesn't want to leave DC, and they don't want to move him. He shouldn't even be in trade rumors anymore. Also, his new contract along with Kyrie and Kevin Wood put us in a horrible position to afford a supporting cast. Finally, I thought at the beginning of this season that Bradley's worsening defense was a blip, but it seems he's no longer interested on that end. He was one of the 3 worst perimeter defenders in the league this year, we can't support a guy the needs the ball in his hands that much (33% usage, even Caris would blush!) and won't defend.

[DarkXaero]

I'm gonna mention another name as a possible trade option who I didn't really think about before: Larry Nance Jr. He's an actual PF who has quietly developed a nice perimeter game over these last two seasons. He shoots 35% from 3 (37.7% on catch & shoot 3s), very efficient overall (~61% TS%), a good mobile, versatile defender, and a strong rebounder/hustle player.

He can be a very good role player for a contender, and he's on a lotto team which already has a highly paid player at his position (Love). He is making an average of $11 mill/yr over the next 3 seasons, so he's locked up on a nice team friendly deal. I'm not sure what it would take to get him, but I think he can be a realistic target.

He would be a much needed fit at back up PF/Small ball C BUT I don't want to give up a lot of assets to get him....I'm not sure what Cleveland would want at this point.

I was thinking Prince + assets (lets say Philly pick, and a 2nd) might make sense, but I have no idea how Cavs view him, and Prince really sabotaged his value this year.

[DarkXaero]

I love that Lowe echoes what many of those that are high on LeVert have said:

Re Lavine: Maybe Lavine is better, but Lowe doesn't think so. Regardless, it would not be enough of an upgrade to move the needle.

Re Gobert: Obvious fit, but Allen is good and improving.

Re Jrue: Decent fit. Maybe worth it

Re Beal: The only name possibly out there that would make a certainly better big 3.

I agree with most of this. But I've made a 180 on Beal.

First, he doesn't want to leave DC, and they don't want to move him. He shouldn't even be in trade rumors anymore. Also, his new contract along with Kyrie and Kevin Wood put us in a horrible position to afford a supporting cast. Finally, I thought at the beginning of this season that Bradley's worsening defense was a blip, but it seems he's no longer interested on that end. He was one of the 3 worst perimeter defenders in the league this year, we can't support a guy the needs the ball in his hands that much (33% usage, even Caris would blush!) and won't defend.

I think Beal leaving Wizards within a year is a very likely possibility, regardless of what's stated publicly. Yes, Beal has said that he wants to stay and win in DC, but we all know that ain't happening. He has repeatedly said that he wants to see how they look when Wall gets back, but do you honestly see them being better than 8th seed with that roster? There's no cap space for them to really improve either. I think there's a strong possibility that Beal is either traded at the deadline or next offseason, it's just a matter of time. Beal has already publicly spoken about the Nets rumors positively (with a suggestion that KD/Kyrie may be recruiting him), and that only fuels speculation.

As for the player himself on the court, yes, his defense was really bad this season. But we know that he can play good defense, he actually did it against us in a game this season (the one where Kyrie got hurt). In the past, Beal has been a pretty decent/respectable defender. Without all the high usage and responsibility on offense, Beal could get back to that level on the defensive end with the Nets. At the end of the day, he's a high level competitor, and he can turn up the intensity on that end when he wants. In regards to his usage rate, Beal came into the league as an off ball player, so he knows how to play that way. I have no doubts about his fit offensively, he's too talented/skilled and adaptable to not fit. On a side note, Levert does have a usage rate of over 33% in the bubble, he has the fourth highest usage rate in the bubble.

And on Lowe, he has always been a bit of a Levert fanboy, and he has mentioned Levert positively numerous times in that past. I'm not surprised that he's high on Levert after his recent play.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I love that Lowe echoes what many of those that are high on LeVert have said:

Re Lavine: Maybe Lavine is better, but Lowe doesn't think so. Regardless, it would not be enough of an upgrade to move the needle.

Re Gobert: Obvious fit, but Allen is good and improving.

Re Jrue: Decent fit. Maybe worth it

Re Beal: The only name possibly out there that would make a certainly better big 3.

I agree with most of this. But I've made a 180 on Beal.

First, he doesn't want to leave DC, and they don't want to move him. He shouldn't even be in trade rumors anymore. Also, his new contract along with Kyrie and Kevin Wood put us in a horrible position to afford a supporting cast. Finally, I thought at the beginning of this season that Bradley's worsening defense was a blip, but it seems he's no longer interested on that end. He was one of the 3 worst perimeter defenders in the league this year, we can't support a guy the needs the ball in his hands that much (33% usage, even Caris would blush!) and won't defend.

Beal is the only guy I would consider trading LeVert for as I have stated before.

Holiday/Lavine are non-starters for me. I have no interest in Gobert either when we have Jordan locked up.

But I agree with you on being skeptical on the Beal thing. He hasn't asked out of DC and they are already paying John Wall 40 million. It makes no sense for them to trade Beal right now if they can become a playoff team.

More importantly, other teams can offer more. Golden State can give them a top 5 pick. Miami can offer a gold mine of young assets. Why take our offer when the best guy we can give them is 26? Beal is only a year older as Lowe pointed out on his pod.

It would likely require a monster offer to get him. Levert/Allen/Dinwiddie, 3/4 FRP. For me thats just not worth it. And I'm not sure DC takes that over the Warriors or Heat deal either.

I'd rather keep our depth, keep our flexibility and keep our assets. I think its smarter to pursue a stretch 4 or defensive wing.

I'm not against the Beal trade though, I just would veer toward no. If Marks did it, I would buy in.

[DarkXaero]

I love that Lowe echoes what many of those that are high on LeVert have said:

Re Lavine: Maybe Lavine is better, but Lowe doesn't think so. Regardless, it would not be enough of an upgrade to move the needle.

Re Gobert: Obvious fit, but Allen is good and improving.

Re Jrue: Decent fit. Maybe worth it

Re Beal: The only name possibly out there that would make a certainly better big 3.

I agree with most of this. But I've made a 180 on Beal.

First, he doesn't want to leave DC, and they don't want to move him. He shouldn't even be in trade rumors anymore. Also, his new contract along with Kyrie and Kevin Wood put us in a horrible position to afford a supporting cast. Finally, I thought at the beginning of this season that Bradley's worsening defense was a blip, but it seems he's no longer interested on that end. He was one of the 3 worst perimeter defenders in the league this year, we can't support a guy the needs the ball in his hands that much (33% usage, even Caris would blush!) and won't defend.

More importantly, other teams can offer more. Golden State can give them a top 5 pick. Miami can offer a gold mine of young assets. Why take our offer when the best guy we can give them is 26? Beal is only a year older as Lowe pointed out on his pod.

A top 5 pick in this year's weak draft + Wolves 2021 top 3 protected 1st + Wiggins' horrible contract to make salaries match isn't really a better offer. Miami's "gold mine of young assets" is Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson, and Kendrick Nunn. Those are some good players but none of them are all star talent imo. Duncan Robinson is 26 years old and in line to get overpaid as he becomes a RFA next year. Nunn is 25 years old and also becomes a RFA next year.

I think yall need to stop underrating our assets, and its especially ironic considering how high some of you are on Levert. If he's a star, then how is an offer starting with him + other good assets isn't enough?

[Hello Brooklyn]

I agree with most of this. But I've made a 180 on Beal.

First, he doesn't want to leave DC, and they don't want to move him. He shouldn't even be in trade rumors anymore. Also, his new contract along with Kyrie and Kevin Wood put us in a horrible position to afford a supporting cast. Finally, I thought at the beginning of this season that Bradley's worsening defense was a blip, but it seems he's no longer interested on that end. He was one of the 3 worst perimeter defenders in the league this year, we can't support a guy the needs the ball in his hands that much (33% usage, even Caris would blush!) and won't defend.

More importantly, other teams can offer more. Golden State can give them a top 5 pick. Miami can offer a gold mine of young assets. Why take our offer when the best guy we can give them is 26? Beal is only a year older as Lowe pointed out on his pod.

A top 5 pick in this year's weak draft + Wolves 2021 top 3 protected 1st + Wiggins' horrible contract to make salaries match isn't really a better offer. Miami's "gold mine of young assets" is Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson, and Kendrick Nunn. Those are some good players but none of them are all star talent imo. Duncan Robinson is 26 years old and in line to get overpaid as he becomes a RFA next year. Nunn is 25 years old and also becomes a RFA next year.

I think yall need to stop underrating our assets, and its especially ironic considering how high some of you are on Levert. If he's a star, then how is an offer starting with him + other good assets isn't enough?

Golden State's offer is far better than ours. Getting two potential top 5 picks is a pretty strong return for a Superstar. Even if they have to eat Wiggins contract.

The Miami offer I was thinking of would include Bam. Who is obviously better than LeVert and much younger.

I could see other teams getting in the mix too. Philly with Simmons. Maybe even Denver.

What exactly are our assets?

LeVert is too old for a rebuild. Dinwiddie is even older and about to enter FA. Allen is a nice player, but no star. And they already have Bryant at that position. Our picks will all likely be late First Rounders. So will Philly's.

This is not going to pry away Beal fro DC who just resigned, has shown no indication he wants to leave and has incentive to play through the season with Wall.

Seems like a pipe dream.

[Sharcm1]

Am I the only one who wants to see what this team together can do. First of. We shouldn’t trade LeVert guy is a star. They will figure out how to play him with Irving and Durant. Spencer shouldn’t be traded either with Irving’s long history of injuries we will need spencer. As much as I like the idea of Caris at the point I think we will still need spencer. Even if Irving doesn’t get injured I like the idea of limiting his minutes So he doesn’t get hurt which is possible with spencer.

Hoping we can get rid of musa and prince for a bigger PF. But if we can’t we still have a nice roster. Sign Johnson and Crawford.

Irving/spencer/Crawford
LeVert/temple/Johnson
Harris/TLC/musa
Durant/rodi/prince
Allen/Jordan /claxton

15 players. Plus chioza to a two way contract. The only downside to this roster is defense. But it can outscore anyone in the league. I would very much like to see it happen.

[Sharcm1]

Also think about the open threes Harris is going to have next season. He’s going to shoot lights out. Imagine this we get the rebound Allen/Jordan kicks it to Irving or LeVert they come down the court Durant sets a pick Irving or LeVert drives to the basket kicks it to open Durant or Harris with Allen/Jordan running down the middle for the follow up dunk if they miss. Honestly opposing team are going to have to decide who to guard. LeVert and Irving will be interchangeable on the floor together. Both being able to drive and get to the rim. Both very good at passing and finishing (LeVert getting better). With Durant and Harris outside shooting the team offensively is unstoppable, defensively however is going to be a challenge. Durant and Irving aren’t known for their defense. Caris is decent but can do a lot better. Harris hustles on d and Allen needs to be better man to man and Jordan needs to do better on pick and rolls,
I also think it depends on match up if they start Jordan or Allen at center. More mobile centers Allen should start and bigger banging center Jordan should start.

I think it can work and we should see if it can first.

[TheNetsFan]

Am I the only one who wants to see what this team together can do. First of. We shouldn’t trade LeVert guy is a star. They will figure out how to play him with Irving and Durant. Spencer shouldn’t be traded either with Irving’s long history of injuries we will need spencer. As much as I like the idea of Caris at the point I think we will still need spencer. Even if Irving doesn’t get injured I like the idea of limiting his minutes So he doesn’t get hurt which is possible with spencer.

Hoping we can get rid of musa and prince for a bigger PF. But if we can’t we still have a nice roster. Sign Johnson and Crawford.

Irving/spencer/Crawford
LeVert/temple/Johnson
Harris/TLC/musa
Durant/rodi/prince
Allen/Jordan /claxton

15 players. Plus chioza to a two way contract. The only downside to this roster is defense. But it can outscore anyone in the league. I would very much like to see it happen.

I would like to run it back also. The only deal I make would have Dinwiddie as the center piece, and would return an upgrade at combo guard like Jrue. I'd hold on to LeVert unless it's for an established all-star like Beal.

[ecuhus1981]

I'm confused by folks that want Beal, but don't want Jrue based on height. Do you realize that they are the same size?

Holiday has been an All-Star, but even in years where he wasn't, his impact on winning was commensurate to one. Beal's claim to elite status relies solely on usage and volume. On a team where he can be the undisputed #1 scoring option, he can win. The problem is, he wouldn't be that here, but in order to acquire him we'd need to pay Washington as if he were a superstar. 30ppg is incredibly hard to do, but we don't need that. We need guys like Jrue, who don't need the ball in their hands and have proven to work well in a tertiary scoring role. JH also defends at a high level whether he has a large offensive role or not, whether his team is winning or not and whole guarding the opposing team's best player. Brad's former reputation as a defender seems more spurious each year. We see now that without All-NBA defenders like Porter and Wall next to him, he's a sieve.

I'm not a big fan of undersized backcourts, but between the two, the choice is easily Holiday for me

[Hello Brooklyn]

I'm confused by folks that want Beal, but don't want Jrue based on height. Do you realize that they are the same size?

Holiday has been an All-Star, but even in years where he wasn't, his impact on winning was commensurate to one. Beal's claim to elite status relies solely on usage and volume. On a team where he can be the undisputed #1 scoring option, he can win. The problem is, he wouldn't be that here, but in order to acquire him we'd need to pay Washington as if he were a superstar. 30ppg is incredibly hard to do, but we don't need that. We need guys like Jrue, who don't need the ball in their hands and have proven to work well in a tertiary scoring role. JH also defends at a high level whether he has a large offensive role or not, whether his team is winning or not and whole guarding the opposing team's best player. Brad's former reputation as a defender seems more spurious each year. We see now that without All-NBA defenders like Porter and Wall next to him, he's a sieve.

I'm not a big fan of undersized backcourts, but between the two, the choice is easily Holiday for me

Holiday is not even close to the shooter that Beal is, which is the number one thing you want from an off ball player. I'm not convinced Holiday is suited to play off ball either.

He's more of a PG who has been forced to play SG in NO.

His main asset would be defense. But he seems to have fallen off defensively lately. The Pelicans were horrid defensively this year and I didn't see Holiday doing much to change that.

He also has a ridiculous contract which pays him over 26 million per year till 2022. Not ideal for PGs over 30.

I don't doubt Beal's ability to defend at all. I just think he has the worst supporting cast in the league and has had to put all his effort into offense.