Damkac wrote:Are you willing to keep the starting lineup of Rubio-Booker-Bridges-Johnson-Ayton after how well they played? Or do you think it's not enough and to have chance for a decend playoffs run Suns still needs to improve their starters? Will their run continue next season or will other teams beat them now that they won't be underestimated no more? Or maybe if it works don't try to fix it and focus on improving the bench and getting really deep team? May not be the worst idea looking how common are injuries in the NBA? Could Oubre works as a 6th man, backing up both forward spots while still getting about 30 minutes per game? May work in theory but would he be willing to come of the bench? Or trade Oubre and pick for some proved bench pieces?
This is the core I want to keep together heading into next season. I feel like we can go best player available in the draft. I think Monty will let Cam and Oubre battle for the starting spot, and I think both will accept Monty's decision on who comes off the bench. If things are thriving, hold the course. If things are too rocky or there's a no-brainer trade available, go ahead and make a deal, but I don't see any real reason to not try out what worked in the bubble to start off next season.
SHAZAM!
Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.
Considering that the pool of free agents is average at best and the cap is likely to decrease, the Suns should consider a two-year deal for Saric that includes overpaying him in Year 1 but making Year 2 a team option. For instance, a two-year, $26 million contract of that type would allow the Suns to evaluate Saric for another season while also creating flexibility for next summer.
Could we really keep him for a deal like that? The impression I get from this is, many teams will be afraid to offer him a lot based on those last 8 games. So 'evaluating' him could be the way to go. Overpaying would give him incentive to stay. This would be exciting.
It’s not my money but I like that kind of deal for Saric - overpay with team option
Trading Rubio to get FVV - I don’t see it. I think Rubio is a key player for this team
I believe if we offered a deal to Saric and it was a 2 year deal worth $26 million, the most you can decrease someone's salary from year to year is only 8.5% or something like that. Maybe it's not, but I thought there was a limit. I think there was one year where the Rockets exploited some rule and signed Jeremy Lin and gave him a huge lump sum one year and then it decreased significantly the following year. I don't believe that is possible anymore. I think the most Saric would make in year 1 would be around $13.6 million, and then year 2 would be $12.4 million, which only saves us around $1.2 million of cap space. Hardly a dent if we were looking to offer a max contract to someone like Giannis.
I was hoping we'd be able to keep Saric for something around his $11.5 million a year, and then maybe Baynes for around $10 million a year. We'd have to be able to offer Baynes more than what other teams can offer, and other teams are likely to offer the full MLE which I believe is close to $10 million. I could see Sarver not willing to give up that amount of money especially when we give Saric his contract. I can't see him dishing out over $20 million to two role players off the bench, along with Oubre who may be coming off the bench as well.
Another thing I want to mention, I don't think Sarver likes giving out player options. Like I think Oubre would have likely taken a 3 year deal with the third year being a player option, but some reason Sarver doesn't hand those out. He does enjoy the team option though, so he can cut players that aren't performing.
As for trading Rubio to get FVV. Not gonna happen. Raptors aren't letting FVV go, and it would be such a McD type of move to trade swap around assets like that. I just want to build cohesion among our team at this point, let them gel and get to know each other better on the court. We looked good in Orlando and I don't think that was just some hot streak.
Damkac wrote:Are you willing to keep the starting lineup of Rubio-Booker-Bridges-Johnson-Ayton after how well they played? Or do you think it's not enough and to have chance for a decend playoffs run Suns still needs to improve their starters? Will their run continue next season or will other teams beat them now that they won't be underestimated no more? Or maybe if it works don't try to fix it and focus on improving the bench and getting really deep team? May not be the worst idea looking how common are injuries in the NBA? Could Oubre works as a 6th man, backing up both forward spots while still getting about 30 minutes per game? May work in theory but would he be willing to come of the bench? Or trade Oubre and pick for some proved bench pieces?
This is the core I want to keep together heading into next season. I feel like we can go best player available in the draft. I think Monty will let Cam and Oubre battle for the starting spot, and I think both will accept Monty's decision on who comes off the bench. If things are thriving, hold the course. If things are too rocky or there's a no-brainer trade available, go ahead and make a deal, but I don't see any real reason to not try out what worked in the bubble to start off next season.
Agreed. The Oubre/Johnson scenario will just be about who is more comfortable coming off the bench IMO. I just hope ego's don't get hurt. I can make a case for both players starting, but what really matters to me, is who will be taking the final 6-8 minutes together. Oubre has some clutch factor in hitting shots in crunch time, but he makes some dumb plays too. Johnson might be more confident in clutch situations next year. Really as long as Oubre and CJ are getting about 30 minutes a piece I think neither will have hurt feelings.
This is where I could see a dilemma and possibly the reason why we don't bring back Baynes. I find it hard to see Sarver paying two backups over $10 million each, and we may just have Saric as the backup center, and he plays meaningful minutes at the 4 as well. We are likely going to either draft a PF/C or get a cheap PF/C in free agency. I do prefer Baynes though because Ayton can get in foul trouble early and Saric isn't capable of banging with 7 footers all night.
I am actually having trouble finding meaningful minutes for everyone if we actually keep that entire lineup. Oubre is used to playing 30+ minutes a night, I don't see that happening if we bring back Baynes.
nevetsov wrote:If Oubre is chasing a payday next off season (which he is by only taking a 2 year deal), why would he accept coming off the bench?
He'll want to shine next season to maximise his payday.
Trade him while his value is high. The more he comes off the bench, the more his value goes down.
Here's the problem with this line of thinking. Suns aren't going to get fair value for him, and any move where Suns trade Kelly will likely hold them back. It's not like a team can trade for him and can re-sign him, so why would a team put up assets to trade for him? A team operating over the cap will likely not part away with their assets. It's a lose-lose situation. It's better to keep Oubre, if he plays well that's great, if he doesn't play well, then the team will have some cap space to play with next summer.
For all the comments that we have made about how Warren has been great and it was not a good trade for us we need to say that Josh Jackson was ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE all season long and we won that trade with Memphis.
After being a lot of time on their G-League during the RS, Josh Jackson was needed in the bubble with Winslow out and then JJJ out after the third game. And what happened?? 2.5 points per game in 6 mpg.
He did not play at all in five games. $7M salary. Imagine how bad he needs to be to not see the court when they were that shorthanded.
Melton was OK as a backup PG for them, but he is not better than Jevon Carter.
He is really limited on offense (as we already knew) and defensively he can not match Carter's greatness pressing the ball.
Melton shot .286% from three during the season and Carter shot .425% on more attempts. Enough said.
So I want to say kudos to James Jones for clearly winning that trade.
Could we really keep him for a deal like that? The impression I get from this is, many teams will be afraid to offer him a lot based on those last 8 games. So 'evaluating' him could be the way to go. Overpaying would give him incentive to stay. This would be exciting.
It’s not my money but I like that kind of deal for Saric - overpay with team option
Trading Rubio to get FVV - I don’t see it. I think Rubio is a key player for this team
I believe if we offered a deal to Saric and it was a 2 year deal worth $26 million, the most you can decrease someone's salary from year to year is only 8.5% or something like that. Maybe it's not, but I thought there was a limit. I think there was one year where the Rockets exploited some rule and signed Jeremy Lin and gave him a huge lump sum one year and then it decreased significantly the following year. I don't believe that is possible anymore. I think the most Saric would make in year 1 would be around $13.6 million, and then year 2 would be $12.4 million, which only saves us around $1.2 million of cap space. Hardly a dent if we were looking to offer a max contract to someone like Giannis.
I was hoping we'd be able to keep Saric for something around his $11.5 million a year, and then maybe Baynes for around $10 million a year. We'd have to be able to offer Baynes more than what other teams can offer, and other teams are likely to offer the full MLE which I believe is close to $10 million. I could see Sarver not willing to give up that amount of money especially when we give Saric his contract. I can't see him dishing out over $20 million to two role players off the bench, along with Oubre who may be coming off the bench as well.
Another thing I want to mention, I don't think Sarver likes giving out player options. Like I think Oubre would have likely taken a 3 year deal with the third year being a player option, but some reason Sarver doesn't hand those out. He does enjoy the team option though, so he can cut players that aren't performing.
As for trading Rubio to get FVV. Not gonna happen. Raptors aren't letting FVV go, and it would be such a McD type of move to trade swap around assets like that. I just want to build cohesion among our team at this point, let them gel and get to know each other better on the court. We looked good in Orlando and I don't think that was just some hot streak.
13+ in year one should be enough to convince him, assuming no other team is offering a good chunk. And if year 2 is a team option, it won't matter how much it's for. The main concern would be like we have with Oubre. If he breaks out, we risk losing him quickly.
nevetsov wrote:If Oubre is chasing a payday next off season (which he is by only taking a 2 year deal), why would he accept coming off the bench?
He'll want to shine next season to maximise his payday.
Trade him while his value is high. The more he comes off the bench, the more his value goes down.
Here's the problem with this line of thinking. Suns aren't going to get fair value for him, and any move where Suns trade Kelly will likely hold them back. It's not like a team can trade for him and can re-sign him, so why would a team put up assets to trade for him? A team operating over the cap will likely not part away with their assets. It's a lose-lose situation. It's better to keep Oubre, if he plays well that's great, if he doesn't play well, then the team will have some cap space to play with next summer.
Not to mention he'll be coming off injury. We could circle back to the idea of moving him, and our first, to chicago for Markkanen and Sato and their 2nd. Something like that. But that should only be visited if we know we can't bring back Saric.
It’s not my money but I like that kind of deal for Saric - overpay with team option
Trading Rubio to get FVV - I don’t see it. I think Rubio is a key player for this team
I believe if we offered a deal to Saric and it was a 2 year deal worth $26 million, the most you can decrease someone's salary from year to year is only 8.5% or something like that. Maybe it's not, but I thought there was a limit. I think there was one year where the Rockets exploited some rule and signed Jeremy Lin and gave him a huge lump sum one year and then it decreased significantly the following year. I don't believe that is possible anymore. I think the most Saric would make in year 1 would be around $13.6 million, and then year 2 would be $12.4 million, which only saves us around $1.2 million of cap space. Hardly a dent if we were looking to offer a max contract to someone like Giannis.
I was hoping we'd be able to keep Saric for something around his $11.5 million a year, and then maybe Baynes for around $10 million a year. We'd have to be able to offer Baynes more than what other teams can offer, and other teams are likely to offer the full MLE which I believe is close to $10 million. I could see Sarver not willing to give up that amount of money especially when we give Saric his contract. I can't see him dishing out over $20 million to two role players off the bench, along with Oubre who may be coming off the bench as well.
Another thing I want to mention, I don't think Sarver likes giving out player options. Like I think Oubre would have likely taken a 3 year deal with the third year being a player option, but some reason Sarver doesn't hand those out. He does enjoy the team option though, so he can cut players that aren't performing.
As for trading Rubio to get FVV. Not gonna happen. Raptors aren't letting FVV go, and it would be such a McD type of move to trade swap around assets like that. I just want to build cohesion among our team at this point, let them gel and get to know each other better on the court. We looked good in Orlando and I don't think that was just some hot streak.
13+ in year one should be enough to convince him, assuming no other team is offering a good chunk. And if year 2 is a team option, it won't matter how much it's for. The main concern would be like we have with Oubre. If he breaks out, we risk losing him quickly.
Right its a team option in year 2. So it allows Saric to get more money in year 1 but gives the Suns flexibility in year 2 with cap space. I understand that 3/21 type deal is only 7m of cap space - but if the Suns were to do this and really over pay in year 1 - Saric is getting 13m or so realizing he will probably be a FA. But at least he is getting paid.
I have a feeling Oubre could be on the move - besides Gordon - what player or team makes sense for him.
Qwigglez wrote: I believe if we offered a deal to Saric and it was a 2 year deal worth $26 million, the most you can decrease someone's salary from year to year is only 8.5% or something like that. Maybe it's not, but I thought there was a limit. I think there was one year where the Rockets exploited some rule and signed Jeremy Lin and gave him a huge lump sum one year and then it decreased significantly the following year. I don't believe that is possible anymore. I think the most Saric would make in year 1 would be around $13.6 million, and then year 2 would be $12.4 million, which only saves us around $1.2 million of cap space. Hardly a dent if we were looking to offer a max contract to someone like Giannis.
I was hoping we'd be able to keep Saric for something around his $11.5 million a year, and then maybe Baynes for around $10 million a year. We'd have to be able to offer Baynes more than what other teams can offer, and other teams are likely to offer the full MLE which I believe is close to $10 million. I could see Sarver not willing to give up that amount of money especially when we give Saric his contract. I can't see him dishing out over $20 million to two role players off the bench, along with Oubre who may be coming off the bench as well.
Another thing I want to mention, I don't think Sarver likes giving out player options. Like I think Oubre would have likely taken a 3 year deal with the third year being a player option, but some reason Sarver doesn't hand those out. He does enjoy the team option though, so he can cut players that aren't performing.
As for trading Rubio to get FVV. Not gonna happen. Raptors aren't letting FVV go, and it would be such a McD type of move to trade swap around assets like that. I just want to build cohesion among our team at this point, let them gel and get to know each other better on the court. We looked good in Orlando and I don't think that was just some hot streak.
13+ in year one should be enough to convince him, assuming no other team is offering a good chunk. And if year 2 is a team option, it won't matter how much it's for. The main concern would be like we have with Oubre. If he breaks out, we risk losing him quickly.
Right its a team option in year 2. So it allows Saric to get more money in year 1 but gives the Suns flexibility in year 2 with cap space. I understand that 3/21 type deal is only 7m of cap space - but if the Suns were to do this and really over pay in year 1 - Saric is getting 13m or so realizing he will probably be a FA. But at least he is getting paid.
I have a feeling Oubre could be on the move - besides Gordon - what player or team makes sense for him.
I think Jones needs to be careful. The Bubble proved Booker is on the verge if being a superstar, in the same level as someone like Harden. Yes he has 4 years left but if Book and the crew really like him, you probably should take your chances and see how next season goes. He has no say in coming off the bench. If it bothers him that much, then you look to move him for pieces that will help us. If you can't find it, then he will have to suck it up.
i want to see this team maintain the chemsitry. Jones or Monty talked last year about bringing in people who will be here for the long haul. Monty being the first.
I only deal Oubre if it means getting someone like AD and we just need that cap space.
King4Day wrote: 13+ in year one should be enough to convince him, assuming no other team is offering a good chunk. And if year 2 is a team option, it won't matter how much it's for. The main concern would be like we have with Oubre. If he breaks out, we risk losing him quickly.
Right its a team option in year 2. So it allows Saric to get more money in year 1 but gives the Suns flexibility in year 2 with cap space. I understand that 3/21 type deal is only 7m of cap space - but if the Suns were to do this and really over pay in year 1 - Saric is getting 13m or so realizing he will probably be a FA. But at least he is getting paid.
I have a feeling Oubre could be on the move - besides Gordon - what player or team makes sense for him.
I think Jones needs to be careful. The Bubble proved Booker is on the verge if being a superstar, in the same level as someone like Harden. Yes he has 4 years left but if Book and the crew really like him, you probably should take your chances and see how next season goes. He has no say in coming off the bench. If it bothers him that much, then you look to move him for pieces that will help us. If you can't find it, then he will have to suck it up.
i want to see this team maintain the chemsitry. Jones or Monty talked last year about bringing in people who will be here for the long haul. Monty being the first.
I only deal Oubre if it means getting someone like AD and we just need that cap space.
My gut tells me that keep Oubre - play it out sign Saric - overpay for 1 or even 3/22 is not bad Baynes - one year deal Carter, Payne, bring them back Frank - let him go
Not sure what that does for the MLE or cap space but it brings a lot of the core guys back that were pivotal. In the above, your top 9 are Booker, Rubio, DA, Bridges, Cam with Oubre, Saric, Payne and Carter off the bench.
Damkac wrote:Are you willing to keep the starting lineup of Rubio-Booker-Bridges-Johnson-Ayton after how well they played? Or do you think it's not enough and to have chance for a decend playoffs run Suns still needs to improve their starters? Will their run continue next season or will other teams beat them now that they won't be underestimated no more? Or maybe if it works don't try to fix it and focus on improving the bench and getting really deep team? May not be the worst idea looking how common are injuries in the NBA? Could Oubre works as a 6th man, backing up both forward spots while still getting about 30 minutes per game? May work in theory but would he be willing to come of the bench? Or trade Oubre and pick for some proved bench pieces?
This is the core I want to keep together heading into next season. I feel like we can go best player available in the draft. I think Monty will let Cam and Oubre battle for the starting spot, and I think both will accept Monty's decision on who comes off the bench. If things are thriving, hold the course. If things are too rocky or there's a no-brainer trade available, go ahead and make a deal, but I don't see any real reason to not try out what worked in the bubble to start off next season.
Well said. I'll add one thing. I think all 4 forwards will battle for the starting 2 starting forward positions. I don't think Oubre gets traded and I do think Saric will be resigned.
Damkac wrote:Are you willing to keep the starting lineup of Rubio-Booker-Bridges-Johnson-Ayton after how well they played? Or do you think it's not enough and to have chance for a decend playoffs run Suns still needs to improve their starters? Will their run continue next season or will other teams beat them now that they won't be underestimated no more? Or maybe if it works don't try to fix it and focus on improving the bench and getting really deep team? May not be the worst idea looking how common are injuries in the NBA? Could Oubre works as a 6th man, backing up both forward spots while still getting about 30 minutes per game? May work in theory but would he be willing to come of the bench? Or trade Oubre and pick for some proved bench pieces?
This is the core I want to keep together heading into next season. I feel like we can go best player available in the draft. I think Monty will let Cam and Oubre battle for the starting spot, and I think both will accept Monty's decision on who comes off the bench. If things are thriving, hold the course. If things are too rocky or there's a no-brainer trade available, go ahead and make a deal, but I don't see any real reason to not try out what worked in the bubble to start off next season.
I think most folks are in agreement with this roster. Let them simmer for another year. It's versatile in that Saric can play 4/5, and Oubre, Johson, Bridges can play 3/4. There is a lot of depth there in the event of an injury. I think we need to bolster the backcourt behind both Payne and Carter. Jerome and Lecque are not viable options.
Damkac wrote:Are you willing to keep the starting lineup of Rubio-Booker-Bridges-Johnson-Ayton after how well they played? Or do you think it's not enough and to have chance for a decend playoffs run Suns still needs to improve their starters? Will their run continue next season or will other teams beat them now that they won't be underestimated no more? Or maybe if it works don't try to fix it and focus on improving the bench and getting really deep team? May not be the worst idea looking how common are injuries in the NBA? Could Oubre works as a 6th man, backing up both forward spots while still getting about 30 minutes per game? May work in theory but would he be willing to come of the bench? Or trade Oubre and pick for some proved bench pieces?
This is the core I want to keep together heading into next season. I feel like we can go best player available in the draft. I think Monty will let Cam and Oubre battle for the starting spot, and I think both will accept Monty's decision on who comes off the bench. If things are thriving, hold the course. If things are too rocky or there's a no-brainer trade available, go ahead and make a deal, but I don't see any real reason to not try out what worked in the bubble to start off next season.
I think most folks are in agreement with this roster. Let them simmer for another year. It's versatile in that Saric can play 4/5, and Oubre, Johson, Bridges can play 3/4. There is a lot of depth there in the event of an injury. I think we need to bolster the backcourt behind both Payne and Carter. Jerome and Lecque are not viable options.
Right, the team needs a 2 off the bench that can shoot or score a bit more than what they have now. Burks, Goran (I know he is older) - but a guy that will light it up some nights and other nights, not so good. But thats a bench player for you.
This is the core I want to keep together heading into next season. I feel like we can go best player available in the draft. I think Monty will let Cam and Oubre battle for the starting spot, and I think both will accept Monty's decision on who comes off the bench. If things are thriving, hold the course. If things are too rocky or there's a no-brainer trade available, go ahead and make a deal, but I don't see any real reason to not try out what worked in the bubble to start off next season.
I think most folks are in agreement with this roster. Let them simmer for another year. It's versatile in that Saric can play 4/5, and Oubre, Johson, Bridges can play 3/4. There is a lot of depth there in the event of an injury. I think we need to bolster the backcourt behind both Payne and Carter. Jerome and Lecque are not viable options.
Right, the team needs a 2 off the bench that can shoot or score a bit more than what they have now. Burks, Goran (I know he is older) - but a guy that will light it up some nights and other nights, not so good. But thats a bench player for you.
Assuming we keep Oubre, we're 10 deep as is. So while I agree we could use another 2/3, but not as part of the rotation. Hopefully, free agents see us as a team that's close, and we could one of those blue chip vets that contenders tend to pick up for peanuts. The job description is someone who can come in off the bench and play capably on both sides, give us something different from Carter/Oubre/Bridges - so, more passing, preferably.
ray ray wrote:Don’t be surprised if Zack LaVine ends up with the Suns and Oubre with the Bulls .. not reporting just giving my suggestion
Not ever gonna happen unless we are facilitating him to NY.
Yeah, on the face of it, that's a terrible idea. If LaVine were to replace either Rubio or Bridges in the starting lineup, we'd be much, much worse. Dude's a homeless man's Devin Booker. I don't get it, ray.
Qwigglez wrote: I believe if we offered a deal to Saric and it was a 2 year deal worth $26 million, the most you can decrease someone's salary from year to year is only 8.5% or something like that. Maybe it's not, but I thought there was a limit. I think there was one year where the Rockets exploited some rule and signed Jeremy Lin and gave him a huge lump sum one year and then it decreased significantly the following year. I don't believe that is possible anymore. I think the most Saric would make in year 1 would be around $13.6 million, and then year 2 would be $12.4 million, which only saves us around $1.2 million of cap space. Hardly a dent if we were looking to offer a max contract to someone like Giannis.
I was hoping we'd be able to keep Saric for something around his $11.5 million a year, and then maybe Baynes for around $10 million a year. We'd have to be able to offer Baynes more than what other teams can offer, and other teams are likely to offer the full MLE which I believe is close to $10 million. I could see Sarver not willing to give up that amount of money especially when we give Saric his contract. I can't see him dishing out over $20 million to two role players off the bench, along with Oubre who may be coming off the bench as well.
Another thing I want to mention, I don't think Sarver likes giving out player options. Like I think Oubre would have likely taken a 3 year deal with the third year being a player option, but some reason Sarver doesn't hand those out. He does enjoy the team option though, so he can cut players that aren't performing.
As for trading Rubio to get FVV. Not gonna happen. Raptors aren't letting FVV go, and it would be such a McD type of move to trade swap around assets like that. I just want to build cohesion among our team at this point, let them gel and get to know each other better on the court. We looked good in Orlando and I don't think that was just some hot streak.
13+ in year one should be enough to convince him, assuming no other team is offering a good chunk. And if year 2 is a team option, it won't matter how much it's for. The main concern would be like we have with Oubre. If he breaks out, we risk losing him quickly.
Right its a team option in year 2. So it allows Saric to get more money in year 1 but gives the Suns flexibility in year 2 with cap space. I understand that 3/21 type deal is only 7m of cap space - but if the Suns were to do this and really over pay in year 1 - Saric is getting 13m or so realizing he will probably be a FA. But at least he is getting paid.
I have a feeling Oubre could be on the move - besides Gordon - what player or team makes sense for him.[/quote]
I think that it's great that everyone played so well in the bubble for eight games. But as good as it felt, I still think it would be best to exercise caution with any potential assumptions. I mean it's been mentioned repeatedly that it's a pretty small sample size to judge. Also, We played more freely and without the mindset of much pressure, Because no one expected us to accomplish anything, much less that we deserved to be there. And the biggest factor that shouldn't be overlooked, is in that which the exception of maybe two games in which we had to really fight for to get the win, The teams we played had the majority of their starting rotation players out. Whether do to injuries, or for rest ( workload management). So we played the majority of those 8 games against undermanned teams or their benches mostly.
Now did we accomplish amazing and very promising things! Yes!!! Absolutely! But we also had started the season ( without Ayton) on a hot streak of around 7-8 games before we returned back to earth, And once again struggled with the same issues that plagued us throughout the season, Costing us too many close games! And the result was us missing out on the play in anyways. So yes we should absolutely be happy and excited, We've earned that so far. But with Saric for instance we have discovered that he ( as suspected) is best off the bench, and in a post playing role. For his contract considerations, I would be happy to bring him back in his new/ improved role! BUT..................... Only for around 8-10 ( which is generous for such a small sample size of consistency) as opposed to the inconsistencies and struggles that he's shown over the entire season.
I really do hope that he's turned a corner, But until we've seen a larger sample size to validate his newfound success, it just wouldn't be responsible for us to commit anything more than say 7-8 million or MAYBE 14-16 million over 2 years. IF we want to entice him, the right way to go about it would be to give contractual incentives, Wherein IF he sustains his consistency and production, He'll recieve additional bonuses! This way, We have insurance that this small sample size isn't a fluke or an anomaly. Again, I'd be fine with 7-8 million, Love the 2nd yr team option With ***(a bonus of say 5-6 million perhaps to be paid out at the end of the season) upon showing consistent production.
Now with Oubre, It'd of course be great to be able to keep him, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE ( for depth) But, IF NOT, The teams that would be good potential fits in a trade are:
Golden State- Maybe Oubre for the TPE and the 2021 Minnesota Top 3 protected first. Then use the cap space on a 1 yr deal for Milsapp or maybe for Gallinari?( Booker's long time family friend) and that would make us a top offensive team in the league next season. Then you go all defense in the draft. Vassell or Okoro, And then one of Smith/ Reed/ Achiuwa or Oturu?
Chicago- Maybe Oubre for Markannen or perhaps for Young and the 7th pick! ( Draft Toppin or Okungwu). Then add Augustine or Clarkson in free agency? And also Holiday for the MLE.
Orlando- Maybe Oubre for The 16th and 45th picks. OR we could actually revisit the Gordon trade, Oubre for Gordon straight up! Then we'd have Gordon play as an oversized ( mismatches) high level utility defender/ facilitator at the 3, With Cam at the 4, And Bridges at the 2, Booker at the 1, and Rubio leads the bench in " Point Book" situations. Occasionally, Gordon will play the small ball 5 in uptempo push situations. Then you move the 10th pick to EITHER Detroit for Kennard, OR to Philly for Richardson/ Broekhoff ( cheaper Kennard) and the 22nd pick. 22- Draft a backup 4/5 in Achiuwa or Smith or Reed or Oturu.
Minnesota- Maybe Oubre for James Johnson/ 16th pick. 10- Draft Vassell or Okoro. 16- Draft Achiuwa or Poku.
Atlanta- Maybe Oubre for DeAndre Hunter/ 53rd pick / ** and an(extra 7 million in cap space). 53- Draft Sam Merrill or Tyshon Alexander. Use the additional cap space to sign Milsapp or Jerami Grant ( backup 3-5) ? Bring back Saric and Baynes.
New York- Maybe Oubre for Payton/ Ellington/ Dallas 2021 unprotected first. Or just Oubre for the 25th pick and the Dallas unprotected 2021 first. 25- Draft Jahmius Ramsey or Desmond Bane. Use the cap space in free agency for Crowder and Milsapp? Or on Crowder and Bertans? Bring back Saric and Baynes ( short term deals).
Dallas- Maybe Oubre for Delon Wright and the 31st pick. 31- Draft one of Smith/ Reed/ Achiuwa/ Tillman or Oturu. Then trade the 10th pick for Kennard or to Philly for Richardson/ Broekhoff and the 22nd pick IF Vassell is off the board! Delon Wright can defensively off of either Kennard or Richardson. Broekhoff can be a bargain version of Kennard for us in the Philly trade, and can play offensively off of Richardson. And Vassell or Okoro would be our backup defensive 3 option.
Brooklyn??? Maybe Oubre for Dinwiddie/ Nik Claxton/ and the 19th pick. Claxton is our backup 4/5. 19- Draft Tyler Bey or Josh Green or Desmond Bane.
Memphis??? *** under the radar move! ( Not really mentioned yet)? Maybe Oubre for **Dillon Brooks and the 45th pick. 45- Draft Killian Tillie ( replace Kaminsky) then use the additional cap space for Milsapp, And to Bring back Saric and/ or Baynes on short term deals. ** At 10 you draft Vassell or Okoro or Poku ( oversized wing 3 utility defender/ facilitator) to replace Oubre.
OKC??? Maybe Oubre for Dennis Schroder. Or Maybe Oubre for Gallinari ( **REsign and trade deal)?
- Detroit??? + cap space Maybe Oubre for John Henson's expiring/ Svi Mikhailiuk/ and a 2021 top 3 protected first. At 10, Draft Vassell or Okoro or Nesmith. Then use the cap space to sign Crowder and Milsapp or Gallo and Justin Holiday. Bring back Saric and Baynes.
Depending upon perspective, I see all of these possibilities as much greater returns than mere cap space when he walks away in 2021. A "bird in hand" scenario really.
Saberestar wrote:For all the comments that we have made about how Warren has been great and it was not a good trade for us we need to say that Josh Jackson was ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE all season long and we won that trade with Memphis.
After being a lot of time on their G-League during the RS, Josh Jackson was needed in the bubble with Winslow out and then JJJ out after the third game. And what happened?? 2.5 points per game in 6 mpg.
He did not play at all in five games. $7M salary. Imagine how bad he needs to be to not see the court when they were that shorthanded.
Melton was OK as a backup PG for them, but he is not better than Jevon Carter.
He is really limited on offense (as we already knew) and defensively he can not match Carter's greatness pressing the ball.
Melton shot .286% from three during the season and Carter shot .425% on more attempts. Enough said.
So I want to say kudos to James Jones for clearly winning that trade.
I'm sorry, but we could've simply cut Jackson and kept the pick, and Jevon's aggression is awesome but there is nothing he does defensively better than Melton. Melton is one of the best guard defenders in basketball already. Carter is obviously better on the offensive end, so you have a point there, but I find it hard to say we "WON" a trade when salary was the driving factor and we had to give up a pick to achieve something when we could've simply cut the dude. A high 2nd rounder in this deep draft could end up being guys who are way better than both.
( oversized wing 3 utility defender/ facilitator) to replace Oubre. 
