Trade Ideas Thread

[Froob]

From what I remember, he was quite displeased that Ainge dealt him and I think that ship has left the port.

The full MLE would overcome his displeasure.

We only have the taxpayer MLE, or 5M. Other teams will offer much more.

Bi annual exception doesn’t still exist, does it?

[SmartWentCrazy]

The full MLE would overcome his displeasure.

We only have the taxpayer MLE, or 5M. Other teams will offer much more.

Bi annual exception doesn’t still exist, does it?

I think thats only like 3M though

[Celts17Pride]

From what I remember, he was quite displeased that Ainge dealt him and I think that ship has left the port.

The full MLE would overcome his displeasure.

We only have the taxpayer MLE, or 5M. Other teams will offer much more.

I could be wrong but I believe the taxpayer is about $9 million. Celtics I believe last year were not a tax paying team and thus had only $5 million exception.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong

[SmartWentCrazy]

The full MLE would overcome his displeasure.

We only have the taxpayer MLE, or 5M. Other teams will offer much more.

I could be wrong but I believe the taxpayer is about $9 million. Celtics I believe last year were not a tax paying team and thus had only $5 million exception.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong

There are a few dif MLE’s:

-Teams that use cap space are limited to the 5M exception; we did that in the Kemba S&T
-Teams above the cap but below the tax can offer 9M; if they do this, they're hard capped at the luxury tax line
-Team above the cap and willing to pay tax are limited to the 5M exception

[SMTBSI]

We only have the taxpayer MLE, or 5M. Other teams will offer much more.

I could be wrong but I believe the taxpayer is about $9 million. Celtics I believe last year were not a tax paying team and thus had only $5 million exception.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong

There are a few dif MLE’s:

-Teams that use cap space are limited to the 5M exception; we did that in the Kemba S&T
-Teams above the cap but below the tax can offer 9M; if they do this, they're hard capped at the luxury tax line
-Team above the cap and willing to pay tax are limited to the 5M exception

For what it's worth, assuming the cap/tax stays flat, the tax-payer MLE is 5.718 mil. [1] [2]

Not that it changes very much, but it's perhaps a tiny bit more tempting.


(Also, for the record, the full non-tax-payer MLE hard caps you not at the Lux Tax line, but at the "apron", which is approx. 6mil above the lux tax line. This is very unlikely to be relevant to us unless we break up the core, since we are well above the apron.)

(Bi-Annual was 3.623 mil this year, and is also only available when below the apron.)

[SmartWentCrazy]

I could be wrong but I believe the taxpayer is about $9 million. Celtics I believe last year were not a tax paying team and thus had only $5 million exception.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong

There are a few dif MLE’s:

-Teams that use cap space are limited to the 5M exception; we did that in the Kemba S&T
-Teams above the cap but below the tax can offer 9M; if they do this, they're hard capped at the luxury tax line
-Team above the cap and willing to pay tax are limited to the 5M exception

For what it's worth, assuming the cap/tax stays flat, the tax-payer MLE is 5.718 mil. [1] [2]

Not that it changes very much, but it's perhaps a tiny bit more tempting.


(Also, for the record, the full non-tax-payer MLE hard caps you not at the Lux Tax line, but at the "apron", which is approx. 6mil above the lux tax line. This is very unlikely to be relevant to us unless we break up the core, since we are well above the apron.)

(Bi-Annual was 3.623 mil this year, and is also only available when below the apron.)

+1.

Given our current salary projections after picks of ~150M, the MLE will cost us 15-20M in real dollars and I doubt we pay it, pending other moves

[SMTBSI]

There are a few dif MLE’s:

-Teams that use cap space are limited to the 5M exception; we did that in the Kemba S&T
-Teams above the cap but below the tax can offer 9M; if they do this, they're hard capped at the luxury tax line
-Team above the cap and willing to pay tax are limited to the 5M exception

For what it's worth, assuming the cap/tax stays flat, the tax-payer MLE is 5.718 mil. [1] [2]

Not that it changes very much, but it's perhaps a tiny bit more tempting.


(Also, for the record, the full non-tax-payer MLE hard caps you not at the Lux Tax line, but at the "apron", which is approx. 6mil above the lux tax line. This is very unlikely to be relevant to us unless we break up the core, since we are well above the apron.)

(Bi-Annual was 3.623 mil this year, and is also only available when below the apron.)

+1.

Given our current salary projections after picks of ~150M, the MLE will cost us 15-20M in real dollars and I doubt we pay it, pending other moves

I'm starting the process of coming to terms with this. Had been advocating spending where we could to add useful salaries for trade purposes, which I still think is the correct thing to do from a competitive standpoint. But, while our ownership has never been stingy, I guess I have to consider the possibility that covid may take them past their loss threshold. Which is understandable.

In a perfect world, they've made plenty of money from this team over the years and would stomach a little bit of financial pain for the fans. But, that's easy to say when it's not my millions.


Caveat to this is the very small chance they're planning to sell off Kemba/Hayward and go full youth movement. In which case there will be plenty of opportunity to duck the tax (which is calculated based on your salaries on the last day of the regular season) even after adding money in the offseason.

I would have called this a less than 1% chance before covid, but it may be in play for the same reason other things that would not normally be in play are now in play.

[MagicBagley18]

Is there a way to pry away the MIN pick that goes to GSW if it's 4-30 in 2021 and unprotected in 2022?

If we take back Wiggins for Hayward, who agrees to a multi year extension with the Warriors. Considering how win now they are I would think that at least garners their attention.

I can’t imagine Ainge gets signoff from Wyc to pay repeater tax down the line for Wiggins. So follow up deals would have to be made to use draft picks to salary dump guys like Kanter, Poirier and duck the tax for another year.

Ultimately just don’t think it’s worth it. It wouldn’t even be shocking if the MIN pick ends up in the late lottery as opposed to top of it.

Wouldn’t that stop the warriors from being able to chase after giannis Or no ? if so no chance they’ll blow that opportunity for hayward

[hugepatsfan]

Is there a way to pry away the MIN pick that goes to GSW if it's 4-30 in 2021 and unprotected in 2022?

If we take back Wiggins for Hayward, who agrees to a multi year extension with the Warriors. Considering how win now they are I would think that at least garners their attention.

I can’t imagine Ainge gets signoff from Wyc to pay repeater tax down the line for Wiggins. So follow up deals would have to be made to use draft picks to salary dump guys like Kanter, Poirier and duck the tax for another year.

Ultimately just don’t think it’s worth it. It wouldn’t even be shocking if the MIN pick ends up in the late lottery as opposed to top of it.

Wouldn’t that stop the warriors from being able to chase after giannis Or no ? if so no chance they’ll blow that opportunity for hayward

The only way they’d ever be able to go for Giannis would be sign and trade. And if MIL was willing to take back big salary for Giannis it would seem that Hayward fits more anyway since they already have a bunch of older win now pieces. Compared to Wiggins who is expensive but sucks.

[MagicBagley18]

If we take back Wiggins for Hayward, who agrees to a multi year extension with the Warriors. Considering how win now they are I would think that at least garners their attention.

I can’t imagine Ainge gets signoff from Wyc to pay repeater tax down the line for Wiggins. So follow up deals would have to be made to use draft picks to salary dump guys like Kanter, Poirier and duck the tax for another year.

Ultimately just don’t think it’s worth it. It wouldn’t even be shocking if the MIN pick ends up in the late lottery as opposed to top of it.

Wouldn’t that stop the warriors from being able to chase after giannis Or no ? if so no chance they’ll blow that opportunity for hayward

The only way they’d ever be able to go for Giannis would be sign and trade. And if MIL was willing to take back big salary for Giannis it would seem that Hayward fits more anyway since they already have a bunch of older win now pieces. Compared to Wiggins who is expensive but sucks.

They couldn’t use their draft position this year and something. Else to trade for an expiring contract to free up space for the summer of 21?

[hugepatsfan]

Wouldn’t that stop the warriors from being able to chase after giannis Or no ? if so no chance they’ll blow that opportunity for hayward

The only way they’d ever be able to go for Giannis would be sign and trade. And if MIL was willing to take back big salary for Giannis it would seem that Hayward fits more anyway since they already have a bunch of older win now pieces. Compared to Wiggins who is expensive but sucks.

They couldn’t use their draft position this year and something. Else to trade for an expiring contract to free up space for the summer of 21?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap/2021/

Here's their cap sheet that offseason. Their core of Curry, Klay, Green makes about $108M between the 3 of them. Even if they shed down to only that and nothing else, they wouldn't have the cap for Giannis.

I supposed they could trade Green for an expiring contract this offseason and use their top 5 pick to dump Wiggins for an expiring. But punting on a year of Curry's prime to MAYBE sign Giannis and have to rebuild the entire supporting roster doesn't seem likely. If they do pursue Giannis I think it's certain to be via S&T.

[MagicBagley18]

The only way they’d ever be able to go for Giannis would be sign and trade. And if MIL was willing to take back big salary for Giannis it would seem that Hayward fits more anyway since they already have a bunch of older win now pieces. Compared to Wiggins who is expensive but sucks.

They couldn’t use their draft position this year and something. Else to trade for an expiring contract to free up space for the summer of 21?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap/2021/

Here's their cap sheet that offseason. Their core of Curry, Klay, Green makes about $108M between the 3 of them. Even if they shed down to only that and nothing else, they wouldn't have the cap for Giannis.

I supposed they could trade Green for an expiring contract this offseason and use their top 5 pick to dump Wiggins for an expiring. But punting on a year of Curry's prime to MAYBE sign Giannis and have to rebuild the entire supporting roster doesn't seem likely. If they do pursue Giannis I think it's certain to be via S&T.

Yes, s&t seems the most viable path easily. Do you know what pick they have from sota?

[100proof]

https://tradenba.com/trades/KzAN_YS38

Basically a deal with Chicago giving them some depth, moving some parts in Detroit for fit, and consolidating some waning talent for us and moving up in draft.

Chicago gives:
Markannen, Satoransky and #7
gets
Langford, Henson, Poirier, Boston pick and Bucks pick

Chicago adds a young player they like, cheap depth, moves a contract/fit they do not like in Satoransky but loses Markannen(soon to need resigned)

Detroit gives:
Henson
gets
Satoransky and Edwards

Detroit adds a needed piece of playmaking off the bench.

Boston gives:
#25, #30, Edwards, Poirier, Langford
gets
Lauri Markannen and #7
Boston adds a player that had a rough year and is soon in need of an extension, but fills a need of a floor spacing big and one that should look awesom in stevens' system at that. #7 nabs a new backup SF/PF (Achiuwa, Williams, Pokusevski, Okoro, Bey) and a backup pg/sg at #14( Ramsay, Vassell, Green)



Hayward gets shopped during season for a bench replacement and a starting center upgrade. or just doesn't get resigned if the markannen experiment works out

Kemba/Smart
Brown/Ramsay
Tatum/Hayward
Markannen/Grant Williams
Theis/Timelord

[djFan71]

https://tradenba.com/trades/KzAN_YS38

Basically a deal with Chicago giving them some depth, moving some parts in Detroit for fit, and consolidating some waning talent for us and moving up in draft.

Chicago gives:
Markannen, Satoransky and #7
gets
Langford, Henson, Poirier, Boston pick and Bucks pick

Chicago adds a young player they like, cheap depth, moves a contract/fit they do not like in Satoransky but loses Markannen(soon to need resigned)

Detroit gives:
Henson
gets
Satoransky and Edwards

Detroit adds a needed piece of playmaking off the bench.

Boston gives:
#25, #30, Edwards, Poirier, Langford
gets
Lauri Markannen and #7
Boston adds a player that had a rough year and is soon in need of an extension, but fills a need of a floor spacing big and one that should look awesom in stevens' system at that. #7 nabs a new backup SF/PF (Achiuwa, Williams, Pokusevski, Okoro, Bey) and a backup pg/sg at #14( Ramsay, Vassell, Green)



Hayward gets shopped during season for a bench replacement and a starting center upgrade. or just doesn't get resigned if the markannen experiment works out

Kemba/Smart
Brown/Ramsay
Tatum/Hayward
Markannen/Grant Williams
Theis/Timelord

CHI gets: screwed.

They may be giving up the 3 best assets in this trade. I'd do it for us, though.

[100proof]

https://tradenba.com/trades/KzAN_YS38

Basically a deal with Chicago giving them some depth, moving some parts in Detroit for fit, and consolidating some waning talent for us and moving up in draft.

Chicago gives:
Markannen, Satoransky and #7
gets
Langford, Henson, Poirier, Boston pick and Bucks pick

Chicago adds a young player they like, cheap depth, moves a contract/fit they do not like in Satoransky but loses Markannen(soon to need resigned)

Detroit gives:
Henson
gets
Satoransky and Edwards

Detroit adds a needed piece of playmaking off the bench.

Boston gives:
#25, #30, Edwards, Poirier, Langford
gets
Lauri Markannen and #7
Boston adds a player that had a rough year and is soon in need of an extension, but fills a need of a floor spacing big and one that should look awesom in stevens' system at that. #7 nabs a new backup SF/PF (Achiuwa, Williams, Pokusevski, Okoro, Bey) and a backup pg/sg at #14( Ramsay, Vassell, Green)



Hayward gets shopped during season for a bench replacement and a starting center upgrade. or just doesn't get resigned if the markannen experiment works out

Kemba/Smart
Brown/Ramsay
Tatum/Hayward
Markannen/Grant Williams
Theis/Timelord

CHI gets: screwed.

They may be giving up the 3 best assets in this trade. I'd do it for us, though.

I would have thought the same thing earlier, but looking through their forum, they are not happy with the pick location and would be willing to deal for a 2 for 1 with us. And they are really high on Langford and expect it would take dangling Lauri or Wendell to get him. Also they really dislike Satoransky and would love to remove him from their roster asap. This trade does check all those boxes.

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

https://tradenba.com/trades/KzAN_YS38

Basically a deal with Chicago giving them some depth, moving some parts in Detroit for fit, and consolidating some waning talent for us and moving up in draft.

Chicago gives:
Markannen, Satoransky and #7
gets
Langford, Henson, Poirier, Boston pick and Bucks pick

Chicago adds a young player they like, cheap depth, moves a contract/fit they do not like in Satoransky but loses Markannen(soon to need resigned)

Detroit gives:
Henson
gets
Satoransky and Edwards

Detroit adds a needed piece of playmaking off the bench.

Boston gives:
#25, #30, Edwards, Poirier, Langford
gets
Lauri Markannen and #7
Boston adds a player that had a rough year and is soon in need of an extension, but fills a need of a floor spacing big and one that should look awesom in stevens' system at that. #7 nabs a new backup SF/PF (Achiuwa, Williams, Pokusevski, Okoro, Bey) and a backup pg/sg at #14( Ramsay, Vassell, Green)



Hayward gets shopped during season for a bench replacement and a starting center upgrade. or just doesn't get resigned if the markannen experiment works out

Kemba/Smart
Brown/Ramsay
Tatum/Hayward
Markannen/Grant Williams
Theis/Timelord

CHI gets: screwed.

They may be giving up the 3 best assets in this trade. I'd do it for us, though.

I would have thought the same thing earlier, but looking through their forum, they are not happy with the pick location and would be willing to deal for a 2 for 1 with us. And they are really high on Langford and expect it would take dangling Lauri or Wendell to get him. Also they really dislike Satoransky and would love to remove him from their roster asap. This trade does check all those boxes.

Wow. I mean, sign me up. I'd take WCJ over Lauri, personally. They can have 14 too in that case. I like Romeo, but if we can balance things out with WCJ, that'd be great. Then we just get to see which one of those 2 can actually stay on the floor. Both are a touch injury prone so far in their admittedly young careers.

[famadihana]

https://tradenba.com/trades/KzAN_YS38

Basically a deal with Chicago giving them some depth, moving some parts in Detroit for fit, and consolidating some waning talent for us and moving up in draft.

Chicago gives:
Markannen, Satoransky and #7
gets
Langford, Henson, Poirier, Boston pick and Bucks pick

Chicago adds a young player they like, cheap depth, moves a contract/fit they do not like in Satoransky but loses Markannen(soon to need resigned)

Detroit gives:
Henson
gets
Satoransky and Edwards

Detroit adds a needed piece of playmaking off the bench.

Boston gives:
#25, #30, Edwards, Poirier, Langford
gets
Lauri Markannen and #7
Boston adds a player that had a rough year and is soon in need of an extension, but fills a need of a floor spacing big and one that should look awesom in stevens' system at that. #7 nabs a new backup SF/PF (Achiuwa, Williams, Pokusevski, Okoro, Bey) and a backup pg/sg at #14( Ramsay, Vassell, Green)



Hayward gets shopped during season for a bench replacement and a starting center upgrade. or just doesn't get resigned if the markannen experiment works out

Kemba/Smart
Brown/Ramsay
Tatum/Hayward
Markannen/Grant Williams
Theis/Timelord

CHI gets: screwed.

They may be giving up the 3 best assets in this trade. I'd do it for us, though.

I would have thought the same thing earlier, but looking through their forum, they are not happy with the pick location and would be willing to deal for a 2 for 1 with us. And they are really high on Langford and expect it would take dangling Lauri or Wendell to get him. Also they really dislike Satoransky and would love to remove him from their roster asap. This trade does check all those boxes.

Even if Chicago wanted to turn their pick into multiple picks, this deal doesn't make any sense for them. You'd need to add in #14 at minimum.

[100proof]

OK so to expand on the earlier Boston - Chicago proposal and adding in a Hayward trade to the mix.

https://tradenba.com/trades/5KnNEdEaX

Basically it is:

Hayward, Edwards, Poirier to Memphis

Dieng, Langford, Pick 14, Pick 30 to Chicago

Winslow, Wendell Carter Jr, Satoransky and Pick 7 to Boston.


Memphis upgrades their wing dramatically and adds a solid vet presence to mentor their youth for a season.
Morant
Brooks
Hayward
JJJ
Jonas

Chicago adds depth and a size upgrade at center and get a young wing they really like (rumored) and get rid of a guy they really dont like (thomas Satoransky.

Boston consolidates picks to move up in draft and uses the combination of Langford and Hayward to bring in young fits. Move also cuts 11.5 Million off payroll allowing for full MLE to be used.

Kemba/Smart
Brown/Satoransky
Tatum/MLE
Winslow/Theis
Carter JR/Timelord

[Ernest]

Well Hayward is probably out for the season now. You'd think he would defiantly opt in to his last year 34 mil now right?

[Celts17Pride]

Well Hayward is probably out for the season now. You'd think he would defiantly opt in to his last year 34 mil now right?

Absolutely 100%