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2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

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Who do you prefer of the following prospects?

Desmond Bane
12
41%
Saddiq Bey
1
3%
RJ Hampton
1
3%
Kira Lewis Jr
4
14%
Tyrese Maxey
2
7%
Aaron Nesmith
2
7%
Isaac Okoro
1
3%
Jalen Smith
2
7%
Tyrell Terry
2
7%
Patrick Williams
2
7%
 
Total votes: 29

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1021 » by Saberestar » Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:37 pm

Blonde wrote:The first round pre-lottery NBA draft big board nobody asked for. Probably a decent amount of Suns fit bias going into these rankings but here we go:

Hayes
Ball
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Edwards
Okoro
Lewis
Haliburton
Toppin
Vassell
Cole
Deni
Wiseman
Okongwu
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Riller
Maxey
Bolmaro
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Green
Bane
Nesmith
Tillman
Saddiq Bey
Mannion
Reed
Patrick Williams
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Hampton
Tre Jones
Cassius Winston
Pokusevski
Tyrell Terry
Malichi Flynn
Theo Madelon
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Just Missed the cut:
Isaiah Stewart
Tyler Bey

I am interested to know why do you think that Killian Hayes is a top player in this draft.

I have seen some footage from him and I think he is pretty similar to Elie Okobo. A couple inches taller and probably a better passer, but I am not seeing a player worthy of #1 in the draft....I am probably missing something.
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Post#1022 » by Fo-Real » Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:37 pm

I have been on finding raw bigs (pf/ small ball c's). Someone to replace Dallio and grow into the possible stretch 4 but can block shots, defined a little and rim run, lob target. Just a couple I have come across, seniors, older, ready to play like Cam!! Later pick of course, not at 10. Second round target if we aquire a pick.
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Post#1023 » by Blonde » Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:16 pm

Saberestar wrote:
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Blonde wrote:The first round pre-lottery NBA draft big board nobody asked for. Probably a decent amount of Suns fit bias going into these rankings but here we go:

Hayes
Ball
————
Edwards
Okoro
Lewis
Haliburton
Toppin
Vassell
Cole
Deni
Wiseman
Okongwu
————
Riller
Maxey
Bolmaro
————
Green
Bane
Nesmith
Tillman
Saddiq Bey
Mannion
Reed
Patrick Williams
————
Hampton
Tre Jones
Cassius Winston
Pokusevski
Tyrell Terry
Malichi Flynn
Theo Madelon
————
Just Missed the cut:
Isaiah Stewart
Tyler Bey

I am interested to know why do you think that Killian Hayes is a top player in this draft.

I have seen some footage from him and I think he is pretty similar to Elie Okobo. A couple inches taller and probably a better passer, but I am not seeing a player worthy of #1 in the draft....I am probably missing something.


Thanks for asking. Admittedly he is a player I get pretty excited about in comparison to the rest of the class, and rank him higher than the general consensus. It comes down to a few things with Killian:

1. Weak draft class - More like a mid lottery pick in a normal draft. Last year (weakish class) I would have had him 4th behind Zion/Ja/RJ. In 2018 (very strong class) he likely would have been 8 or 9 for me. Probably no superstar outcome for Killian but compared to the rest of the class he has my favorite mix of current skills + potential + projectable fit in an nba style system. Nobody jumps off the page as being too good to pass up Killian for. I have LaMelo in the same tier but I worry about his defense, propensity for chucking, and coachability.

2. Playmaking/offense - behind only LaMelo (IMO) in terms of creativity in passing and playmaking for others. The off the dribble passing is fantastic. He'll be great in the pick and roll or pick and pop. The tape speaks for itself on this one. He needs to cut back on turnovers but I don't get overly concerned with TOs for young lead guards as it comes with the territory. As far as individual playmaking he has a great handle, a floater, a step back 3, size to bully smaller guards... basically everything you would want a lead ball handler to possess in a scoring package. It hasn’t all clicked on his 3pt shooting yet, but as he enters the NBA and plays more off ball I think his spot up shooting and cutting will become highly efficient (especially if he is playing off of an elite scoring threat like Booker). His free throw shooting percentages are great - 88% on 4 attempts (wish this were higher) per game obviously indicates a good stroke and he’s a great finisher inside the paint and mid range.

3. Defense - one of, if not the best overall guard defender in this class. His combination of team defense instincts and on ball lockdown potential are really special. I don't think he'll be quite as good as Dejounte Murray on defense, but he can have that kind of impact (they also have similar frames and pre-nba steal/block rates). He’s going to be able to switch onto any guard in the league and not be picked on.

4. Should play well on and off ball which I worry about for a guy like LaMelo.

5. Physical tools - huge size as a PG at 6’5 with a good wingspan. Body looks like it has a lot of room to develop through NBA strength and conditioning. Not a top flight athlete but not really lacking in that category either. Compare to Okobo who was always more of a SG in a PG body (who was *generously* listed a 6’3) and had a body that was already very physically mature and developed coming into the league.

6. Age - one of the youngest prospects. In comparison to Okobo he’s about 2 years younger coming into the draft and making a bigger impact in a similarly competitive European league. All this being said, Okobo has been a disappointment but there was real reason to be excited about him as a prospect. I saw Okobo topping out as a 6th man who could heat up from 3 and be a spot starter. With Killian I would be very surprised if he isn’t a starting guard in the near future. Okobo has always been more of a "run the offense" type of guy at best, whereas Killian is a "create the offense" guy who clearly has a much higher ceiling on the defensive end too.

As a high level comp I could see a mix of DeJounte Murray and D’angelo Russell. SGA is another strong comp. A lower level comp would be Satoransky. Kevin O’Connor comps to Ginobili which makes some sense as a big, creative guard. The Suns fit is also awesome - learn behind Rubio for 1 or 2 year. He can both insulate Booker on defense and also take the reins on offense. He’s actually very similar to Rubio in that way.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1024 » by bwgood77 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:09 pm

A number of mocks and boards have Hayes there at 10 and some have us taking him. I'd certainly be happy with that assuming the other few guys I named were gone.
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Post#1025 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:56 pm

ATTL wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I haven't really looked into Anthony Edwards, but I am surprised there hasn't been much mention or talk of him considering,

a) he is pretty much a consensus top 1-3 guy...usually at the top or 2nd
b) it is pretty much a consensus are biggest need is a backup SG
c) there are a lot of people worried that Booker will leave us at some point, and then recent mention of him wearing the Lakers shirt in a press conference, for Kobe, possibly wanting to follow in his footsteps, etc


I'll consider him thursday after we win the lotto.
Ha I'm the same with Edwards, I just haven't dove deep on him yet. The little bit I did I get a little Ben McLemore vibe but that might not be a far comp.

It's interesting only really him and LaMelo look like locks to be gone before 10. Just weird draft with a weak ass top. I do feel like by late lotto this draft class gets about back to normal level like I don't hate what should be there around that spot.

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Post#1026 » by AtheJ415 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:24 pm

Drafting a backup for Book with a top 3 pick is a near guaranteed way to piss him off. Might push Booker out the door more than anything. I don't mind Edwards but we need a backup combo guard not a backup 2. We need somebody who can playmake and play off of either Rubio or Booker. Edwards isn't a point guard. He's a hulking, athletic, bulldozer of a player. And that's fine, but I think if we're in the top 3 there are guys who have more upside and who are better fits.
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Post#1027 » by starbosa10 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:54 pm

Wouldnt mind a PG, could get rid of ty and okobo
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Post#1028 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:12 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:Drafting a backup for Book with a top 3 pick is a near guaranteed way to piss him off. Might push Booker out the door more than anything. I don't mind Edwards but we need a backup combo guard not a backup 2. We need somebody who can playmake and play off of either Rubio or Booker. Edwards isn't a point guard. He's a hulking, athletic, bulldozer of a player. And that's fine, but I think if we're in the top 3 there are guys who have more upside and who are better fits.


Anyone else get a kind of Cory Maggette/ maybe Donovan Mitchell vibe somewhat with Edward's? :dontknow:
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Post#1029 » by Frank Lee » Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:33 pm

Has anyone heard of how they are going to look at these guys? Is it going to be a lot of one on none workouts. May be they just keep the bubble unbursted for a mini draft camp ? Else this sure is a blind draw. Even not having a second, there’s going to be several interesting undrafteds and I bet a few make some rosters .
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Post#1030 » by BobbieL » Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:47 pm

starbosa10 wrote:Wouldnt mind a PG, could get rid of ty and okobo


I think way too early to give up on Jerome - just need to send him someplace - like Europe to play. Hell the G League

Is there a Tyler Herro type guy out there that can shoot?
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Post#1031 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:14 am

What are everyone's thoughts on this under the radar 2020 prospect??? He's supposedly a very elite shotblocker and defender.

https://basketballsocietyonline.com/osasumwen-osaghae-scouting-report
He's around 6'9-6'10 250 lbs. With a 7'3 Wingspan. Apparently very strong and mobile.

He's apparently a relatively unknown prospect from Florida IU. But maybe he could be a really big value steal for us as an undrafted prospect?
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Post#1032 » by bigfoot » Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:32 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:What are everyone's thoughts on this under the radar 2020 prospect??? He's supposedly a very elite shotblocker and defender.

https://basketballsocietyonline.com/osasumwen-osaghae-scouting-report
He's around 6'9-6'10 250 lbs. With a 7'3 Wingspan. Apparently very strong and mobile.

He's apparently a relatively unknown prospect from Florida IU. But maybe he could be a really big value steal for us as an undrafted prospect?


I'd rather take a shot on Udoka Azubuike. He played for an elite basketball program, is a senior, and apparently a very motivated worker.
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Post#1033 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:09 am

AtheJ415 wrote:Drafting a backup for Book with a top 3 pick is a near guaranteed way to piss him off. Might push Booker out the door more than anything. I don't mind Edwards but we need a backup combo guard not a backup 2. We need somebody who can playmake and play off of either Rubio or Booker. Edwards isn't a point guard. He's a hulking, athletic, bulldozer of a player. And that's fine, but I think if we're in the top 3 there are guys who have more upside and who are better fits.
I'm not the biggest Edwards fan but I don't think the fit with Booker would be much of a problem at all. Both he and Booker are plenty big enough to guards 3s so you could play them together with a PG or you run Booker as the lead and Edwards as the secondary handler in a bigger set. You say Edwards isn't a combo guard but he showed a hell of a lot more skill in that than Booker did in college so he could absolutely develop that in the pros.

My concern with Edwards as a top 3 guy is more a question of do we overrate him because the size and athleticism makes him look like more of a star type than his actual production. Shooting 30% from college 3 is also a red flag.

But then again with the top of this draft you basically have to pray certain parts of all these guys games develop to make them worth that high of a pick so I guess Edwards belongs in the discussion.

Haliburton might be the easiest to project of the top guys because he'll shoot well and play good team D. But he's rail thin and doesn't have a great first step, he's probably not a true PG because he won't be able to break down a D but I like his fit with Booker. But he's probably a high end role player so not exactly the type that would traditionally go top 4.

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Post#1034 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:17 am

bigfoot wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:What are everyone's thoughts on this under the radar 2020 prospect??? He's supposedly a very elite shotblocker and defender.

https://basketballsocietyonline.com/osasumwen-osaghae-scouting-report
He's around 6'9-6'10 250 lbs. With a 7'3 Wingspan. Apparently very strong and mobile.

He's apparently a relatively unknown prospect from Florida IU. But maybe he could be a really big value steal for us as an undrafted prospect?


I'd rather take a shot on Udoka Azubuike. He played for an elite basketball program, is a senior, and apparently a very motivated worker.


Nice! :thumbsup:

He's definitely a very solid banging big with good size at 7'0 274 lbs. With a freaking 7'7 wingspan!!! :o :jawdrop: He's an absolute load. The only problem with him is his lack of floor spacing, As in no three point shot whatsoever, And also his free throw percentage at 44% :-? But IF we were to draft him just with the intent of being a wrecking ball in the paint, And to wear down and steamroll opposing defenses and draw tons of fouls, Then sign me up! :nod:

But for Osasumwhen Osaghae, He's more mobile, And has a developing 3 point shot at 33% and a slightly better free throw percentage at 69% for the season. But again, Having said that, He's more of a 4/5 at 6'9 250 lbs. And Udoka is simply a mountain of a man at the 5. It'd be pretty nice for a change to have a big overpowering dominant force in the paint, As opposed to a 7 ft finesse ( marshmallow). So I'd be down for Udoka ( to replace Kaminsky).
He'd be a strong alternative to Ayton against the bigger centers that give Ayton problems, Such as Steven Adam's, Jonas Valuncias, Andre Drummond. And who knows, perhaps he could help toughen up our 7 ft creampuff in practice??? :dontknow: :lol:


The only prospect that's bigger and stronger in the Shaq mold would be Kofi Cockburn:


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Born: September 1, 1999 (age 20 years), Kingston, Jamaica

Height: 7′ 0″

Weight: 290 lbs


He's currently closer now to 7'1 and 300 lbs. With a 7'6 wingspan.
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His game is just so reminiscent (to me at least)! Of a YOUNG SHAQ! :nod: He was in this draft up until the combine, But decided to withdraw, And now will be a top 20 center prospect in the 2021 draft. But he's who I wanted badly for us with a late 2nd round pick to be mentored by Baynes for a season or two before taking over for him. :nod: I sincerely hope that we take a long hard look at him next summer!
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1035 » by Mr Puddles » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:38 pm

bwgood77 wrote:A number of mocks and boards have Hayes there at 10 and some have us taking him. I'd certainly be happy with that assuming the other few guys I named were gone.


The strange thing is, some boards have him as high as number 1 / number 2 - while others have him falling to us at 10. The Ringer has him #1 on the big board, and then #11 on their mock draft.

Just goes to show that the draft is all over the place this year.
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Post#1036 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:20 pm

Mr Puddles wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:A number of mocks and boards have Hayes there at 10 and some have us taking him. I'd certainly be happy with that assuming the other few guys I named were gone.


The strange thing is, some boards have him as high as number 1 / number 2 - while others have him falling to us at 10. The Ringer has him #1 on the big board, and then #11 on their mock draft.

Just goes to show that the draft is all over the place this year.
Yeah this draft has about a dozen guys who feel like late lotto picks in a normal draft, problem is it has zero guys who seem like high lotto picks.

I like Hayes, if and it's a big IF his shot develops he'd be a hell of a backcourt partner for Booker.

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Post#1037 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:45 pm

Read on Twitter
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Another possibly elite shooter ( Jeremy lamb comp) is back in the 2020 draft. Adding even more potential depth to the 2nd round!

We definitely need to add an additional pick or two to afford us additional quality bench depth at key positions of need! :nod: He doesn't provide much defensively, But Joe has immense range, A quick release, And is a very good spot up shooter overall.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/isaiah-joe


I do still like Trev Queen, Sam Merrill, and Skylar Mays better. But he's ( Joe) definitely a very good value option for a shooting guard in the mid to late 2nd round. :wink:
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Post#1038 » by starbosa10 » Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:08 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Another possibly elite shooter ( Jeremy lamb comp) is back in the 2020 draft. Adding even more potential depth to the 2nd round!

We definitely need to add an additional pick or two to afford us additional quality bench depth at key positions of need! :nod: He doesn't provide much defensively, But Joe has immense range, A quick release, And is a very good spot up shooter overall.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/isaiah-joe


I do still like Trev Queen, Sam Merrill, and Skylar Mays better. But he's ( Joe) definitely a very good value option for a shooting guard in the mid to late 2nd round. :wink:


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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1039 » by Saberestar » Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:26 pm

I like that we don't have a 2nd this year.

I have wasted too much time on past years watching tape of prospects on that range for nothing. :lol:
It's close to a miracle to find a very good player on the 2nd round.

It's a good strategy to add just one rookie for next season. This team needs to get older.
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Post#1040 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:44 pm

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Really good interview! This kid is really smart and driven. He's going to be special in the right situation. Give it a listen! :D Definitely another James Jones type of high IQ average athleticism, But still pretty high potential prospect.
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