2020 Draft Thread

[Scoots1994]

Yeah I don't see the point in trading Wiggins, if or when Giannis or Beal become available at that point of course we will put an offer on the table. But these aren't imminent situations like when a star player demands out.

I have been on the Wiseman train for a while now, and he fills a position of need. But watching that Portland vs Nets game made me realize that it could be tough getting perimeter depth. Portland's backcourt of course played great offensively and the guys on the interior are pretty solid defensively with Collins, Whiteside, and Nurkic. But it was just an insanely tough and exhausted battle for Portland because they had no perimeter depth, guys were running on fumes and could barely hold it together defensively. I kept looking at that Portland bench and they had nobody to come in to give guys a breather. So I see the appeal in Edwards, the guys creative with the ball and explosive in the Oladipo mold. When games turn like the Nets vs Portland had then a guy like Edwards could be really useful. The Lakers were just passable on the perimeter when they had Bradley, now it's rough. Even LeBron wants to score and defend on the inside, he is not chasing defensively.

The Nets on the other hand if they can keep that group together will be brutal to defend. I also don't think the defense will be bad because they will have two 7 footers on the court with KD + Jordan/Allen most of the game and even Prince is solid for a forward on D. I know the main board would erupt with anger but the Nets are winning the East next year bearing injuries.

The Rockets on the other hand imo have the 2nd best chance of winning the West, which has been the case for years now. One thing is they are getting Gordon back who is a pretty great 3rd option, so because of that injury I think they are better than some think.

he's not had to defend at an NBA level yet.

I’m sure Edwards will be fine..Yes he failed to defend 98% of the time in college, but I never let facts get in the way of draft hype.

That just makes you like 98% of NBA fans.

[KevinMcreynolds]

I'd be happy with Edwards, Wiseman, Deni or Obi if we pick in the top 4. I feel like those are the upside guys and I rather take a shot than make a "win now" pick. If we drop to 5th there's a few other guys I'd consider too.

[ShayDee]

https://sleeperpick749229938.wordpress.com/2020/08/16/who-should-the-warriors-draft-in-win-now-mode/

Even if his grade is lower(which doesn't make sense) Bob should find a way to get Bane. Also if we drop to 4/5 and Edwards/Wiseman are gone, I would seriously consider dealing with Boston for 14, 26 and a future 1st or if knicks want Ball, trade down to their lottery pick and get 27, 1 Dallas 1st and the knicks 21

Also I do not like Okoro. If we draft 1 rookie in this draft and they give him the Draymond treatment I would literally lose it(Wiseman can create his shot I believe) and Bob please don't pass up Wiseman

[wco81]

OK, we're 4 days from the draft lottery.

Let's prognosticate on the odds.

Warriors had a down year. They opened a venue that was expected to be one of the biggest sources of BRI or basketball related income for the NBA.

Smart move for the league would be to fix it for the Warriors to get the top pick, as many suspect the NBA lottery is rigged for strategic reasons.

But Cleveland and Minnesota have the EXACT SAME ODDS as GSW for picks 1 through 4. It's at pick #5 that the Warriors have 47.9% odds and they can't get anything lower than #5.

http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds

NBA has fixed it for Cleveland repeatedly. I don't know if they fixed it more than once for Minnesota, maybe for KAT. But they also have a new arena and in a smaller market, with the club for sale, NBA may want to incentivize buyers to bid up the club.

Atlanta has 12.5 and Detroit has 10.5% to get the #1. Not that much below the top 3 clubs. NYK is 9%, Chicago is 7.5%.

Atlanta is a couple of players away from contention, with a few good young, high picks, so NBA may want to double down for them.

Detroit is a huge mess and they're really in trouble financially as the new arena is a ghost town. Do they need to prop that franchise up at all costs?


Bottom line, this miserable season may have been for nought. We knew tanking isn't as valuable a strategy as it used to be. But then the other factor is NBA shenanigans or else Ewing would have been a Warrior, not a Knick.

GSW better be prepared to draft #4 or #5. NBA may not want to be seen pushing the thumb on the scale too much when they want the LA teams to be at the top and draw the most ratings.

It will be interesting to see the playoffs ratings this year compared to the Warriors playoffs years. Lakers are back in the playoffs, with their huge fanbase, as a top contender. So NBA may be motivated to cement the Lakers' hold on the WC.

[xdrta+]

Believing the lottery is fixed is on a par with conspiracy theories like aliens built the pyramids, or chemtrails will get us all.

[wco81]

I don't know anything about chemtrails or pyramids.

But I KNOW the NBA didn't draw the Knicks card at random in the Patrick Ewing lottery.

Was that the last time the Warriors had the worst record? Or maybe they did the year they got Webber too. But since the NBA screwed over GSW before ...

[ShayDee]

I actually think they might rig it for franchises that need something like Hornets, Wizards, Bulls, Spurs or even Grizzlies like last year, Seeing how Ja did this year they would just want another top prospect like Wiseman/Edwards there to make them super exciting.

I also think we almost would be picking at 5 because NBA might think we don't need a top 2 pick to win or get stronger (Steph7,Klay11,Dray2nd round etc) so we should honestly start making calls. Boston, Knicks, Spurs, Suns(Maybe?) are some teams that want to move up and might pay premium to do so. Like I said in another post I'm not super excited at other prospects at top 10 that isn't Wiseman/Edwards. So get more assets for a big star trade and get a Rookie you will make look like Jesus in late lottery/mid-late 1st round.

[Rudruff]

Sorry, but if the NBA was interested in rigging the lottery it would be for the Knicks, Bulls or Lakers every year. There are maybe half a dozen franchises that can affect league wide revenue and they aren't Cleveland or Minnesota. That we have to look over 30 years back to see any instance that could possibly be favorable treatment of the Knicks shows that the league isn't meddling. It would be worth so much more money for everyone if they did.

[Mylie10]

I can’t believe I’m reading multiple posters acting like the Warriors don’t have backup plans for every scenario.

I will say that you can’t really talk to teams about picks that people don’t know where they land. But I’m positive they are looking at, and thinking about everything.

[Scoots1994]

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Even if his grade is lower(which doesn't make sense) Bob should find a way to get Bane. Also if we drop to 4/5 and Edwards/Wiseman are gone, I would seriously consider dealing with Boston for 14, 26 and a future 1st or if knicks want Ball, trade down to their lottery pick and get 27, 1 Dallas 1st and the knicks 21

Also I do not like Okoro. If we draft 1 rookie in this draft and they give him the Draymond treatment I would literally lose it(Wiseman can create his shot I believe) and Bob please don't pass up Wiseman

A little interesting that before the cancellation of the NCAA season the two guys I thought would fit the best were Okoro and Avdija and that writer agrees.

I don't agree that the Warriors are going in to the draft focusing on this coming year. I think they are smart enough to go for the best player by a reasonable projection of their career, not just 1 year, and not just fit on the current roster. The Warriors should take the best PLAYER for their system regardless of position and regardless of how they may contribute next year.

[Scoots1994]

I don't know anything about chemtrails or pyramids.

But I KNOW the NBA didn't draw the Knicks card at random in the Patrick Ewing lottery.

Was that the last time the Warriors had the worst record? Or maybe they did the year they got Webber too. But since the NBA screwed over GSW before ...

If the NBA did cheat for Ewing, it's WAY WAY WAY less likely they do now. The protections put in place and the checks and double checks are extensive. At this point to do it they'd have to be paying hundreds of millions under the table to the teams they are intentionally screwing out of the top pick to keep them quiet.

[wco81]

Sorry, but if the NBA was interested in rigging the lottery it would be for the Knicks, Bulls or Lakers every year. There are maybe half a dozen franchises that can affect league wide revenue and they aren't Cleveland or Minnesota. That we have to look over 30 years back to see any instance that could possibly be favorable treatment of the Knicks shows that the league isn't meddling. It would be worth so much more money for everyone if they did.

Lakers got the #2 pick 3 years in a row.

[wco81]

I don't know anything about chemtrails or pyramids.

But I KNOW the NBA didn't draw the Knicks card at random in the Patrick Ewing lottery.

Was that the last time the Warriors had the worst record? Or maybe they did the year they got Webber too. But since the NBA screwed over GSW before ...

If the NBA did cheat for Ewing, it's WAY WAY WAY less likely they do now. The protections put in place and the checks and double checks are extensive. At this point to do it they'd have to be paying hundreds of millions under the table to the teams they are intentionally screwing out of the top pick to keep them quiet.

There are PLENTY of recent examples of teams beating the odds.

Cleveland gets #1 pick twice in a span of a few years before Lebron comes back.

Lakers got the #2 pick for 3 years in a row after they'd fallen out of the playoffs for the first time in a couple of decades.

I'm sure there are more examples in the last 10-20 years.

[Scoots1994]

I can’t believe I’m reading multiple posters acting like the Warriors don’t have backup plans for every scenario.

I will say that you can’t really talk to teams about picks that people don’t know where they land. But I’m positive they are looking at, and thinking about everything.

Agreed.

That said, it would be best for them to get #1 in every scenario.

[Scoots1994]

I don't know anything about chemtrails or pyramids.

But I KNOW the NBA didn't draw the Knicks card at random in the Patrick Ewing lottery.

Was that the last time the Warriors had the worst record? Or maybe they did the year they got Webber too. But since the NBA screwed over GSW before ...

If the NBA did cheat for Ewing, it's WAY WAY WAY less likely they do now. The protections put in place and the checks and double checks are extensive. At this point to do it they'd have to be paying hundreds of millions under the table to the teams they are intentionally screwing out of the top pick to keep them quiet.

There are PLENTY of recent examples of teams beating the odds.

Cleveland gets #1 pick twice in a span of a few years before Lebron comes back.

Lakers got the #2 pick for 3 years in a row after they'd fallen out of the playoffs for the first time in a couple of decades.

I'm sure there are more examples in the last 10-20 years.

That's how statistics work. If something is 1 in 1000000 all that means is that given enough chances it is certain to happen.

I don't know that the NBA has not cheated the lottery in the last decade any more than you know that they have, not one of the occurrences fall somehow outside of probability, and every scenario has some fan base that is going to be certain the fix is in.

[B-King]

I don't know anything about chemtrails or pyramids.

But I KNOW the NBA didn't draw the Knicks card at random in the Patrick Ewing lottery.

Was that the last time the Warriors had the worst record? Or maybe they did the year they got Webber too. But since the NBA screwed over GSW before ...

If the NBA did cheat for Ewing, it's WAY WAY WAY less likely they do now. The protections put in place and the checks and double checks are extensive. At this point to do it they'd have to be paying hundreds of millions under the table to the teams they are intentionally screwing out of the top pick to keep them quiet.

Adam Silver seems to be more credible than David Stern. Stern looked at the NBA as an entertainment business and Ewing in New York made for good ratings.

[Scoots1994]

I don't know anything about chemtrails or pyramids.

But I KNOW the NBA didn't draw the Knicks card at random in the Patrick Ewing lottery.

Was that the last time the Warriors had the worst record? Or maybe they did the year they got Webber too. But since the NBA screwed over GSW before ...

If the NBA did cheat for Ewing, it's WAY WAY WAY less likely they do now. The protections put in place and the checks and double checks are extensive. At this point to do it they'd have to be paying hundreds of millions under the table to the teams they are intentionally screwing out of the top pick to keep them quiet.

Adam Silver seems to be more credible than David Stern. Stern looked at the NBA as an entertainment business and Ewing in New York made for good ratings.

Sure, but it's been 35 years since then, and Warriors fans, if we were screwed, ended up doing pretty good in that draft with Chris Mullen.

And while Stern was certainly more shysty, there are always stories about who is getting "screwed" and who is getting propped up by the NBA machine using the lottery. The Magic getting Shaq and Webber in back to back years was spectacular certainly, particularly webber since they had the worst odds of any team in the lottery that year. But even that year at 1.5% that still means they win 15 times out of a thousand, and that's FAR from impossible odds.

It is still most likely that the Warriors finish in the top 3 in this lottery, and this "flattening" of the odds is what the NBA thinks fans wanted. Funny that the last time the lottery odds were flat it was the Warriors losing the #1 pick and getting #7 as a consolation. Let's hope it goes as well this time.

[Commodor]

I almost feel like GSW would not be mad if they fell to 4-5 in the draft. A lot of players in that range seem to make a lot of sense to GSW, such as Vassell, Haliburton, Okoro, etc. If they don't have the pressure of taking Ball, Edwards or Wiseman, they can focus on taking a guy that may fit their needs even better.

[whatisacenter]

3 MORE DAYS UNTIL THE LOTTERY

[vetmin]

3 MORE DAYS UNTIL THE LOTTERY

Is there a way to sim real life? I wanna sim till the lottery, then sim again till 2k21 comes out...


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