2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

cberry78 · Post #681 » by **cberry78** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:02 am

About Beal....do we really want to add a player to this team that takes 4.5 more FG's per game, at a lower percentage, than Booker?

jredsaz · Post #682 » by **jredsaz** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:17 am

cberry78 wrote:About Beal....do we really want to add a player to this team that takes 4.5 more FG's per game, at a lower percentage, than Booker?

Sure. If its Brad Beal

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jredsaz · Post #683 » by **jredsaz** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:19 am

JDLAW wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
Damkac wrote:Are you willing to keep the starting lineup of Rubio-Booker-Bridges-Johnson-Ayton after how well they played? Or do you think it's not enough and to have chance for a decend playoffs run Suns still needs to improve their starters? Will their run continue next season or will other teams beat them now that they won't be underestimated no more?
Or maybe if it works don't try to fix it and focus on improving the bench and getting really deep team? May not be the worst idea looking how common are injuries in the NBA? Could Oubre works as a 6th man, backing up both forward spots while still getting about 30 minutes per game? May work in theory but would he be willing to come of the bench? Or trade Oubre and pick for some proved bench pieces?

Rubio/Payne
Booker/Carter
Bridges/Oubre
Johnson/Saric
Ayton/Baynes

This is the core I want to keep together heading into next season. I feel like we can go best player available in the draft. I think Monty will let Cam and Oubre battle for the starting spot, and I think both will accept Monty's decision on who comes off the bench. If things are thriving, hold the course. If things are too rocky or there's a no-brainer trade available, go ahead and make a deal, but I don't see any real reason to not try out what worked in the bubble to start off next season.

Well said. I'll add one thing. I think all 4 forwards will battle for the starting 2 starting forward positions. I don't think Oubre gets traded and I do think Saric will be resigned.

You're a big Oubre fan. If you had to move him, who would you target?

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cberry78 · Post #684 » by **cberry78** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:21 am

jredsaz wrote:
cberry78 wrote:About Beal....do we really want to add a player to this team that takes 4.5 more FG's per game, at a lower percentage, than Booker?
Sure. If its Brad Beal

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But we already have the taller, younger version.

SunsLyf3 · Post #685 » by **SunsLyf3** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:03 am

Ibaka
Saric
Belinelli

Rubio/Payne/Carter
Book/Belinelli
Mikal/KO
Cam/Saric
Ayton/Ibaka.

Idk if Raptors will let him go but if he's available that would give us great size, floor spacing and defense.

Walt_Uoob · Post #686 » by **Walt_Uoob** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:42 am

I hope Baynes is back. For one thing, as good as Payne looked in the bubble, he would have looked even better coming off of those famous Baynes screens.

wordsenuff · Post #687 » by **wordsenuff** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:43 am

SunsLyf3 wrote:Ibaka
Saric
Belinelli

Rubio/Payne/Carter
Book/Belinelli
Mikal/KO
Cam/Saric
Ayton/Ibaka.

Idk if Raptors will let him go but if he's available that would give us great size, floor spacing and defense.

I don't think we can pull it off, but I think Ibaka would be the perfect addition for next season.

Post #688 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:45 am

nevetsov wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
nevetsov wrote:If Oubre is chasing a payday next off season (which he is by only taking a 2 year deal), why would he accept coming off the bench?

He'll want to shine next season to maximise his payday.

Trade him while his value is high. The more he comes off the bench, the more his value goes down.

Here's the problem with this line of thinking. Suns aren't going to get fair value for him, and any move where Suns trade Kelly will likely hold them back. It's not like a team can trade for him and can re-sign him, so why would a team put up assets to trade for him? A team operating over the cap will likely not part away with their assets. It's a lose-lose situation. It's better to keep Oubre, if he plays well that's great, if he doesn't play well, then the team will have some cap space to play with next summer.

I don't see it that way at all.

If an over-the-cap team (2020-21 and 2021-22) really wants him, trading for him would be the only way they could acquire him, since they won't have the cap space in 2021 to sign him. By trading for him this off season, his bird rights transfers to them so they could go over the cap to re-sign him (like we can this off season with Baynes). Sure, he'll be an UFA, but at the end of the day Oubre will just want to get paid, so if the team is happy to do that and its a good situation why wouldnt he?

Yeah I understand his bird rights being transferred over and all that. What I'm saying is, what team that is going to be over the cap in 2021 has anything of fair value to offer the Suns in exchange for Oubre?

Here are the different scenarios that I'm running...
I could see a team potentially absorbing Oubre this off-season but then they use up all their free cap space to acquire him, and trade what, a pick to the Suns? Not very fair value, plus Oubre's cap hold next off-season will be $21 million. I don't see a team financially crippling themselves for a one year rental of Oubre and potentially giving the Suns a pick in this scenario.

A team already over the cap, trades a player that makes similar money to the Suns for KO. Besides the Magic trading Aaron Gordon, which I'm not sure they do anymore since Isaacs got hurt, what team is going to trade for Oubre? Even a team under the cap, there just aren't many players that make sense for the Suns. And regarding AG, if the Suns got AG, his contract expires in 2022, and the the Suns won't have cap space in 2021 to acquire anyone either, so why not just keep Oubre? AG will likely want to get paid in 2022, and by then now we are paying for Bridges & Ayton.

I think what Suns fans on this board are trying to do, is to trade Oubre for a player that is currently on their rookie contract, which makes sense. But I don't buy another team willing to give that up. Big name that continues to come up is Markkanen (with Sato), but that isn't happening. Even I would go for that. Here's an idea that I wouldn't be opposed to, trade Oubre and a protected future 1st for Olynyk and Duncan Robinson.

Anyway, I'm not opposed to trading for Oubre, just find me a trade that makes sense for the Suns where we get a player that is ready to contribute now.

AtheJ415 · Post #689 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:50 am

cberry78 wrote:About Beal....do we really want to add a player to this team that takes 4.5 more FG's per game, at a lower percentage, than Booker?

He has to take those shots. He is in Booker role from 3 years ago. That team has a number of players who aren't even NBA dudes. Hell, I'm not sure I'd give a roster spot to some of their starters. He gets double or triple teamed at every turn with Wall out.

As far as star guys who could play next to Book, he's on the short-list. I would judge him by his historic defense and efficiency not this year's alone. Also, very few players can score as efficiently at volume as Book. There is maybe 2 dudes in the entire league who can do that.

King4Day · Post #690 » by **King4Day** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:39 pm

Well this is encouraging hearing Ayton communicate on D

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King4Day · Post #691 » by **King4Day** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:42 pm

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King4Day · Post #692 » by **King4Day** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:44 pm

On Reddit, someone asked a Grizzlies fan how they felt about Josh Jackson.

"Very strange honestly. He was playing very very well right before the season got suspended. Then for whatever reason he completely fell out of the rotation. Don’t think he’s a long term part of our plan but wish the guy well."

Am I a dick for hoping he doesn't make it? I probably am but I feel like he didn't try with us really and just messed around.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #693 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:22 pm

King4Day wrote:On Reddit, someone asked a Grizzlies fan how they felt about Josh Jackson.

"Very strange honestly. He was playing very very well right before the season got suspended. Then for whatever reason he completely fell out of the rotation. Don’t think he’s a long term part of our plan but wish the guy well."

Am I a dick for hoping he doesn't make it? I probably am but I feel like he didn't try with us really and just messed around.

I was kind of wondering why he completely fell out of the rotation in the bubble since he was playing a little after the trade deadline and with Winslow and the JJJ I thought there would be some minutes for him. Curious if he did something off the court.

He's a UFA now kind of curious if someone throws more than a min contract at him.

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darmani · Post #694 » by **darmani** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:31 pm

Read on Twitter

Jdiddy701 · Post #695 » by **Jdiddy701** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:42 pm

King4Day wrote:On Reddit, someone asked a Grizzlies fan how they felt about Josh Jackson.

"Very strange honestly. He was playing very very well right before the season got suspended. Then for whatever reason he completely fell out of the rotation. Don’t think he’s a long term part of our plan but wish the guy well."

Am I a dick for hoping he doesn't make it? I probably am but I feel like he didn't try with us really and just messed around.

6 months layoff. He probably was doing stuff he shouldn’t be doing. I thought he was playing okay before the season ended. Curious what his future is in the NBA.

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ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #696 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:06 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:
King4Day wrote:On Reddit, someone asked a Grizzlies fan how they felt about Josh Jackson.

"Very strange honestly. He was playing very very well right before the season got suspended. Then for whatever reason he completely fell out of the rotation. Don’t think he’s a long term part of our plan but wish the guy well."

Am I a dick for hoping he doesn't make it? I probably am but I feel like he didn't try with us really and just messed around.

6 months layoff. He probably was doing stuff he shouldn’t be doing. I thought he was playing okay before the season ended. Curious what his future is in the NBA.

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Seems like every draft or two has some enormously talented player who just doesn't take their career seriously. Josh was that guy for 2017. Too bad. I still think he's enormously talented, but talent is only half the game.

Fo-Real · Post #697 » by **Fo-Real** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:26 pm

Renouncing some rights, Oubre to a team for TPE and a pick.....ANTHONY DAVIS!!!! I'm gonna go shower!!!

Ghost of Kleine · Post #698 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:29 pm

darmani wrote:

Read on Twitter

Very cool!

Desertfox · Post #699 » by **Desertfox** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:41 pm

Just an idea but what about trading Oubre for some solid backups? Could the Mavs use him? I'm thinking Oubre for Kleber + Curry, you get a solid 4-5 and 1-2 backup.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #700 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:21 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:
King4Day wrote:On Reddit, someone asked a Grizzlies fan how they felt about Josh Jackson.

"Very strange honestly. He was playing very very well right before the season got suspended. Then for whatever reason he completely fell out of the rotation. Don’t think he’s a long term part of our plan but wish the guy well."

Am I a dick for hoping he doesn't make it? I probably am but I feel like he didn't try with us really and just messed around.

6 months layoff. He probably was doing stuff he shouldn’t be doing. I thought he was playing okay before the season ended. Curious what his future is in the NBA.

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Seems like every draft or two has some enormously talented player who just doesn't take their career seriously. Josh was that guy for 2017. Too bad. I still think he's enormously talented, but talent is only half the game.

I actually think Jackson's talent is overrated, like realistically what does he actually do well? Billed as a good defender but he wasn't very assignment steady as s defender. On O he doesn't shoot well enough to be a factor off the ball and with the ball he's way too wild and turnover prone often driving without a plan. He's probably best in transition but for some reason he was just an awful finisher. Heck I don't even think he's as good of an athlete as be was billed coming out.

Maybe he figures some things out but at this point I'd bet on a guy like Chiss making it over Jackson because at least he's a legit good athlete who can do some things.

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If Suns get Chris Paul, who will be the 2nd leading scorer on the team?