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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1281 » by robillionaire » Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:40 am

BKlutch wrote:Trump narrowing the gap with Biden in the latest poll.

In case anybody thinks they can screw around with Biden and he will still easily beat Trump, this article shows that is not a good idea.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/cnn-poll-biden-trump-august/index.html

Overall, 50% of registered voters back the Biden-Harris ticket, while 46% say they support Trump and Pence, right at the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points...

Across 15 battleground states, the survey finds Biden has the backing of 49% of registered voters, while Trump lands at 48%.


Let's not count our chickens before they hatch. Take away 1-2% of the vote from voter suppression, and we have 4 more years of hell.


looks like a canary in the coal mine to me. I look for polls with trump ahead to emerge by the end of next month.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1282 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:02 pm

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Hopefully the times we live in will force us to reevaluate our priorities. I would just add that over the last 40 years the conservative right has pulled “the center” way over to their side so that even so-called moderate Republicans (and centrist Democrats) are clearly on the side of staunch pre-Reagan Republicans. You’d have to go all the way back to Eisenhower to find a reasonable one imo.


Eisenhower last address to the nation. The one warning of the dangers of the scientific-technological elite and the military-industrial complex. It's all come to pass. Scary.


I know. I hate to bring this up during a kumbayah moment like this but we had a 90% marginal tax rate on the top Level income earners back then. The middle class was the backbone of America back then (with also a big push from the G.I. Bill which raise the income level of middle class workers).

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Glad to see you concur with the guy who wholeheartedly supports the candidate of the military/industrial complex.

And yeah, we get that Biden, or really 98% of democrats since, oh, 1975, have been supporters as well.

But Trump isn't some f*cking populist hero here.

He's just been running a "bootleg Reagan" playbook the entire time, only instead of people content with horsesh*t nostalgia and 1880's economics dressed up as new "supply side" policy, they wanted someone to be an avatar for their anger.

And sure, people SHOULD be angry at the fact that there was a class struggle where the oligarchical class ran reactionary politics, strategizing the move from the early 70's on, and getting "their guy" in the 80's, and the Dems capitulated and sold out quick.

But again, Trump is just another BS version of Reagan. Sell the proles on some racist, nostalgic throwback bs, his own personal, stupid, angry (and racist, for some) style fits well with the anger of white voters unaccustomed to getting the sh*tty end of the stick for extended periods. Meanwhile, it's all a cynical ploy, where various rich types get the government policies they favor - deregulation of business until it's completely unregulated, tax breaks that favor the wealthy, etc etc.

Trust me, I get Trump was a bit of an accident for the Republicans. Threw them off a bit that the right wing culture war BS they use to troll for votes among their base actually rose up and produced a candidate that section of the party wanted, but the party was well equipped to use it, because they know a bs cynic when they see one; it's only been the platform of the party for years.

So, they pivoted and have let Trump foam at the mouth with his meaningless bs for the cameras, while the republican party enacts the same agenda they've followed for 45 years, which isn't THAT different from the ones the democrats do, though obviously way more blunt in their pursuit of policies that ONLY favor the rich.

It's hilarious to me when people think Trump is anything different. He and his family are here to get in on the action; not change it. He's the type of leader a country produces when it's already hopelessly corrupt and no longer cares about governing or the people and is way past even pretending. Just content to stoke their anger and profit.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1283 » by NowWHYcee7 » Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:05 pm

Trump will win again.

Kamala Harris is one of the most unlikable and phony politicans in recent memory and Biden is a walking vegetable. LMAO November will be so lit, I can't wait to see the salt.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1284 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:18 pm

NowWHYcee7 wrote:Trump will win again.

Kamala Harris is one of the most unlikable and phony politicans in recent memory and Biden is a walking vegetable. LMAO November will be so lit, I can't wait to see the salt.


Cool. Enjoy your idiotic racist assh*le president.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1285 » by KnicksFan7 » Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:08 pm

BKlutch wrote:Trump narrowing the gap with Biden in the latest poll.

In case anybody thinks they can screw around with Biden and he will still easily beat Trump, this article shows that is not a good idea.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/cnn-poll-biden-trump-august/index.html

Overall, 50% of registered voters back the Biden-Harris ticket, while 46% say they support Trump and Pence, right at the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points...

Across 15 battleground states, the survey finds Biden has the backing of 49% of registered voters, while Trump lands at 48%.


Let's not count our chickens before they hatch. Take away 1-2% of the vote from voter suppression, and we have 4 more years of hell.

Curious. Did the gap narrow when Harris was added to the ticket? It's only a matter of time before Trump and his constituents will begin their hate-fueled campaign.

We just have to pray the people are smarter than they were in 2016.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1286 » by Stannis » Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:17 pm

New Zealand delays their election.

Honestly, I think it's inevitable that ours gets delayed as well.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1287 » by aq_ua » Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:30 pm

Stannis wrote:New Zealand delays their election.

Honestly, I think it's inevitable that ours gets delayed as well.

It's very different circumstances - the opposition party pushed for the delay in NZ since the recent lockdown would create advantages for the incumbent given campaigning would be restricted. I'm sure there will be some that try to use the NZ example to push for a delay if it's perceived as a helpful tactic, but in reality, no chance US elections get delayed, just no appetite for that, it would be a publicity nightmare.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1288 » by BKlutch » Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:42 pm

Stannis wrote:New Zealand delays their election.

Honestly, I think it's inevitable that ours gets delayed as well.

The date of the inauguration has been set by law since early last century. I don't see the Dems agreeing to change the law, and the President cannot change it by executive order.

If you're suggesting a coup where the president calls in the troops to prevent a legitimate election, that's another story.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1289 » by Pointgod » Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:54 pm

NowWHYcee7 wrote:Trump will win again.

Kamala Harris is one of the most unlikable and phony politicans in recent memory and Biden is a walking vegetable. LMAO November will be so lit, I can't wait to see the salt.


How painful is it to be so wrong? I’d use something more appropriate but I don’t want to get a warning.
https://www.masslive.com/politics/2020/08/election-2020-sen-kamala-harris-tops-joe-biden-donald-trump-mike-pence-on-favorability-nbcwall-street-journal-poll-finds.html

Thirty-nine percent of respondents said they viewed Harris “very” or “somewhat” positively, compared to 35% who viewed her negatively. Thirteen percent said they did not know Harris or hadn’t made up their minds about her yet.

Harris’ four-point positive rating bests Pence’s minus five (39% positive to 44% negative); Biden’s minus six (39% to 45%); as well as ratings for the Democratic Party (minus 8 at 36% to 44%) and Republican Party (minus 11 at 35% to 46%).

Trump’s net favorability rating was twice as negative as Biden’s at minus 12, with 40% viewing the president favorably and 52% viewing him negatively, the poll found.


Lmao at Trump’s favorability.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1290 » by GONYK » Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:59 pm

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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1291 » by GONYK » Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:03 pm

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BKlutch wrote:Trump narrowing the gap with Biden in the latest poll.

In case anybody thinks they can screw around with Biden and he will still easily beat Trump, this article shows that is not a good idea.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/cnn-poll-biden-trump-august/index.html

Overall, 50% of registered voters back the Biden-Harris ticket, while 46% say they support Trump and Pence, right at the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points...

Across 15 battleground states, the survey finds Biden has the backing of 49% of registered voters, while Trump lands at 48%.


Let's not count our chickens before they hatch. Take away 1-2% of the vote from voter suppression, and we have 4 more years of hell.


looks like a canary in the coal mine to me. I look for polls with trump ahead to emerge by the end of next month.


Well, there's also this one, from a pollster graded A+ by 538

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I think the CNN may be an outlier. We'll have to see how all the other polls shake out for this time period.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1292 » by Pointgod » Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:34 pm

BKlutch wrote:Trump narrowing the gap with Biden in the latest poll.

In case anybody thinks they can screw around with Biden and he will still easily beat Trump, this article shows that is not a good idea.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/cnn-poll-biden-trump-august/index.html

Overall, 50% of registered voters back the Biden-Harris ticket, while 46% say they support Trump and Pence, right at the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points...

Across 15 battleground states, the survey finds Biden has the backing of 49% of registered voters, while Trump lands at 48%.


Let's not count our chickens before they hatch. Take away 1-2% of the vote from voter suppression, and we have 4 more years of hell.


I wouldn’t put too much stock into this one CNN poll. The fact that they have 15 battle ground states and they looked at only registered voters could be skewing the outcomes.

Look at the averages across multiple swing state polls to get a better idea of where things lie.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

And Biden is up in the key swing states. I’m pretty sure if he wins Michigan and Florida, then wins the same states Hillary won its over. If Biden wins Florida, then I’m pretty sure the only way Trump needs to win all the states he won last time AND flip some states from blue to red.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/511656-biden-leads-trump-in-5-of-6-battlegrounds-poll

Biden leads Trump by 6 points in Florida, 50 to 44 percent, and the former vice president leads by 5 points in Michigan, 48 to 43 percent, according to the "States of Play" survey from CNBC and Change Research. Biden is also up by 4 points in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, 48 to 44 percent and 47 to 43 percent, respectively.

The former vice president's lead is slimmer in Arizona, where he is ahead of Trump, 45 to 44 percent.

Trump, meanwhile, holds a narrow lead over Biden in North Carolina, 48 to 47 percent.


This was always going to be a turn out election, there’s no doubt about that. All the swing state polls should be used as is a possible path for Biden, not a prediction of what will actually happen.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1293 » by dakomish23 » Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:45 pm

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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1294 » by Stannis » Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:22 pm

Should have at least made sure Amazon would take the deliveries after defunding the USPS. Another L for Trump imo:

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Post#1295 » by Stannis » Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:29 pm

Trump and Grenell rushing a peace deal between Kosovo and Serbia. They are very set on having this done before the elections:

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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1296 » by GONYK » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:06 pm

Stannis wrote:Trump and Grenell rushing a peace deal between Kosovo and Serbia. They are very set on having this done before the elections:

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I'm sure all the hatred towards Trump in this country is because American voters are unhappy with the state of relations between Kosovo and Serbia. That will fix everything :lol:
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1297 » by Stannis » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:12 pm

GONYK wrote:I'm sure all the hatred towards Trump in this country is because American voters are unhappy with the state of relations between Kosovo and Serbia. That will fix everything :lol:

lol I hear ya. But when you consider Trump's bad foreign policy and all the Russia stuff, it's really not good look for him.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1298 » by Stannis » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:17 pm

Can't wrap my head around this... Now our President is critiquing the USPS and saying it is unprofitable, badly run, and doesn't deserve a bailout.... Hmmm, how many "bad" companies did we just pump money into? Why didn't we filter out the bad companies then?

Classic scenario of some Americans being ok with socialism when it fits their agenda, and against it when it doesn't.

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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1299 » by j4remi » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:27 pm

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I don’t think it’s defending the Lincoln Project in as much as saying “hey let’s take all of the help we can get to send Trump packing”. You may not need them to win, but if they can help run up the score it will absolutely be **** huge. There needs to be a strong rebuke of Trump, he needs to be humiliated and the same with the Republicans in the Senate and House. Lincoln Project can absolutely help with that. I compare it to Superman and Lex Luthor being enemies but teaming up together to beat Darkseid (Trump) a potential world ending global threat. Sure you know Lex Luthor is an **** and once Darkseid is defeated he’ll go back to trying to kill Superman but you have to address the problem in front of you first. I wish there was a Lincoln Project in 2016. Hillary would be President right now and the country wouldn’t be a complete and utter **** show.


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I also don't buy that Hillary would be president with a Lincoln Project around. The Never Trumpers people did PLENTY of criticizing Trump in the lead up to 2016. They tried to beat him with virtually every other Republican option they could find and were highly critical of him even leading up to the election. They got became unwelcome to their party and completely failed. Now they're trying to rehabilitate their images by marketing to Democrats, but I don't see them peeling off many if any Republicans. Those guys have sang the same song since before Trump won in 2016. They just realized who their demographic was to market to.

Like I said, it's cool to accept them as useful right now in whatever capacity you believe it to be. But when somebody points out who these men are, who they always have been and why we should be skeptical of any policy proclamations those GOP rejects get...it's not worth getting hung up on.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1300 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:03 pm

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Eisenhower last address to the nation. The one warning of the dangers of the scientific-technological elite and the military-industrial complex. It's all come to pass. Scary.


I know. I hate to bring this up during a kumbayah moment like this but we had a 90% marginal tax rate on the top Level income earners back then. The middle class was the backbone of America back then (with also a big push from the G.I. Bill which raise the income level of middle class workers).

:D


Glad to see you concur with the guy who wholeheartedly supports the candidate of the military/industrial complex.

And yeah, we get that Biden, or really 98% of democrats since, oh, 1975, have been supporters as well.

But Trump isn't some f*cking populist hero here.

He's just been running a "bootleg Reagan" playbook the entire time, only instead of people content with horsesh*t nostalgia and 1880's economics dressed up as new "supply side" policy, they wanted someone to be an avatar for their anger.

And sure, people SHOULD be angry at the fact that there was a class struggle where the oligarchical class ran reactionary politics, strategizing the move from the early 70's on, and getting "their guy" in the 80's, and the Dems capitulated and sold out quick.

But again, Trump is just another BS version of Reagan. Sell the proles on some racist, nostalgic throwback bs, his own personal, stupid, angry (and racist, for some) style fits well with the anger of white voters unaccustomed to getting the sh*tty end of the stick for extended periods. Meanwhile, it's all a cynical ploy, where various rich types get the government policies they favor - deregulation of business until it's completely unregulated, tax breaks that favor the wealthy, etc etc.

Trust me, I get Trump was a bit of an accident for the Republicans. Threw them off a bit that the right wing culture war BS they use to troll for votes among their base actually rose up and produced a candidate that section of the party wanted, but the party was well equipped to use it, because they know a bs cynic when they see one; it's only been the platform of the party for years.

So, they pivoted and have let Trump foam at the mouth with his meaningless bs for the cameras, while the republican party enacts the same agenda they've followed for 45 years, which isn't THAT different from the ones the democrats do, though obviously way more blunt in their pursuit of policies that ONLY favor the rich.

It's hilarious to me when people think Trump is anything different. He and his family are here to get in on the action; not change it. He's the type of leader a country produces when it's already hopelessly corrupt and no longer cares about governing or the people and is way past even pretending. Just content to stoke their anger and profit.



I think if you go back and read it, he agreed with meeeeeeee! lol

Also, there is case to be made that Trump populism and Bernie populism are opposite sides of the same coin, generally speaking.

Which brings me to my next point. BallSac and I used to hit each other upside the head with 2x4s back in the day over at Current Events thread before tsherkin banned me for life. BallSac and I also had a lot of laughs too. He and I will fight over our politics but at the end of the day I like his sense of humor more than I hate his politics.

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