2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

[bwgood77]

A number of mocks and boards have Hayes there at 10 and some have us taking him. I'd certainly be happy with that assuming the other few guys I named were gone.

The strange thing is, some boards have him as high as number 1 / number 2 - while others have him falling to us at 10. The Ringer has him #1 on the big board, and then #11 on their mock draft.

Just goes to show that the draft is all over the place this year.

Yeah, that's just Kevin O'Connor. I don't see him too high on many mocks, but a few people have him ranked really high on personal big boards.

[Blonde]

A number of mocks and boards have Hayes there at 10 and some have us taking him. I'd certainly be happy with that assuming the other few guys I named were gone.

The strange thing is, some boards have him as high as number 1 / number 2 - while others have him falling to us at 10. The Ringer has him #1 on the big board, and then #11 on their mock draft.

Just goes to show that the draft is all over the place this year.

Yeah, that's just Kevin O'Connor. I don't see him too high on many mocks, but a few people have him ranked really high on personal big boards.

Among most draft people I follow he’s pretty consensus top 5 on a big board. You’ll generally see Ball/Edwards as the top 2 and then some combination of Hayes/Deni/Okongwu/Wiseman after that. I would be pretty shocked if Hayes fell to 10th on draft day despite the current projections.

[Ghost of Kleine]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/therookiewire.usatoday.com/lists/2020-nba-mock-draft-all-60-picks-latest-intel-prospects/amp/

A couple intriguing points on Rookiewires' latest mock draft:

16) Minnesota Timberwolves:
Tyrell Terry, Stanford

Guard, 6-foot-1, 19 years old

Most common NBA comparison: CJ McCollum

According to a person who spoke to Rookie Wire on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter, Tyrell Terry “broke a record” for a basketball IQ test administered by several NBA front offices this offseason. Already considered one of the best shooters in the class, he would be a welcome addition to any NBA franchise. This particular fit would be a homecoming for Terry, who led DeLaSalle to the Minnesota Class 3A state championship as a high school senior. He then averaged 14.6 points, 4.5 rebounds and 3.2 assists per game at Stanford. He also averaged two 3-pointers per contest, shooting a strong 40.8% from beyond the arc. He was especially strong when shooting off the catch. His free-throw percentage (89.1%) ranked second-best among all high-major freshmen. He averaged 1.4 steals per game on a team with a defensive rating among NCAA’s top 10.

22) Philadelphia 76ers:
Grant Riller, Charleston

Guard, 6-foot-3, 22 years old

Most common NBA comparison: Fred VanVleet, Norris Cole

Grant Riller is a ridiculously productive scorer who might have the best first step of any prospect in the class. He ranked seventh-best among Division I players in total isolation scoring, averaging 3.2 points per game. He is also an incredible interior finisher who shot 107-of-152 (70.4%) within five feet of the basket in 2019-20. That was second-best among all high-volume finishers 6-foot-3 or shorter. For a team like the Philadelphia 76ers, who need someone capable of running the offense in the second unit or to share the backcourt with Simmons like Kyle Lowry and Fred VanVleet in Toronto, there may be no one in this class more qualified than Riller.

45) Orlando Magic:
Paul Reed, DePaul
Paul Reed originally grew up in Orlando, which would give him an immediate familiarity with the franchise. Boasting a 7-foot-2 wingspan, he also fits the type of build the Magic’s front office often covets. He is a solid defender who had the second-best block percentage (9.4%) and third-best steal percentage (3.3%) in the Big East in 2019-20. Reed looked great as a ball-handler in transition, forcing turnovers and then scoring on the break.

46) Boston Celtics:
Trevelin Queen, New Mexico State
Wing, 6-foot-6, 23 years old

Trevelin Queen averaged 13.2 points and 5.2 rebounds per game while leading his conference in defensive rating (89.1), box plus-minus (8.9) and PER (25.5). He shot 42.1% from 3-point range when shooting off the catch and 12-for-13 (92.3%) on opportunities as a ball-handler in transition. Queen recently told HoopsHype that he has been a devoted fan of the organization since they traded for Ray Allen.

56) Charlotte Hornets:
Malachi Flynn, San Diego State. ***Extreme value pick.

Guard, 6-foot-2, 21 years old

Malachi Flynn averaged 17.6 points, 4.5 rebounds and 5.1 assists per game, and he was especially impressive when playing against top-100 competition as a junior for the Aztecs. His box plus-minus in those appearances ranked as the best in the NCAA, per Bart Torvik.

57) L.A. Clippers: Sam Merrill,
Utah State

Guard, 6-foot-5, 24 years old 

Sam Merrill shot 42.0% from 3-point range during his four-year collegiate career but is more than just a good shooter off the catch. As noted by The Athletic’s John Hollinger, Merrill shot well off the dribble and off screens while boasting 3.9 assists to 1.9 turnovers per game in 2019-20.

[Mr Puddles]

The strange thing is, some boards have him as high as number 1 / number 2 - while others have him falling to us at 10. The Ringer has him #1 on the big board, and then #11 on their mock draft.

Just goes to show that the draft is all over the place this year.

Yeah, that's just Kevin O'Connor. I don't see him too high on many mocks, but a few people have him ranked really high on personal big boards.

Among most draft people I follow he’s pretty consensus top 5 on a big board. You’ll generally see Ball/Edwards as the top 2 and then some combination of Hayes/Deni/Okongwu/Wiseman after that. I would be pretty shocked if Hayes fell to 10th on draft day despite the current projections.

Assuming the draft lottery plays out pretty much according to team records, the only teams that really need a PG are the Knicks and the Pistons. Even most the teams below us are all set at the PG spot. Granted that don't always draft according to need, it certainly almost always plays a role.

With Ball likely to go ahead of Hayes, he could slide.if the Knicks or pistons go in a different direction, or like one of the other PGs available better - Hayes might still be available at 10.

[Blonde]

Yeah, that's just Kevin O'Connor. I don't see him too high on many mocks, but a few people have him ranked really high on personal big boards.

Among most draft people I follow he’s pretty consensus top 5 on a big board. You’ll generally see Ball/Edwards as the top 2 and then some combination of Hayes/Deni/Okongwu/Wiseman after that. I would be pretty shocked if Hayes fell to 10th on draft day despite the current projections.

Assuming the draft lottery plays out pretty much according to team records, the only teams that really need a PG are the Knicks and the Pistons. Even most the teams below us are all set at the PG spot. Granted that don't always draft according to need, it certainly almost always plays a role.

With Ball likely to go ahead of Hayes, he could slide.if the Knicks or pistons go in a different direction, or like one of the other PGs available better - Hayes might still be available at 10.

That’s interesting. I could see the Wizards or Bulls as strong landing spots for Hayes too. Even the Warriors are in need of guard depth. In any case, there will likely be a good prospect for us on the board at 10. Who would you take if we jumped to 3 or 4?

[ATTL]

If paul reed falls to the second round I'd love the suns to buy a pick to grab him. Of course that's not what the suns do so I won't think about that option anymore.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Another player that has apparently declared for the 2020 draft, That we should have our eyes on as a late 2nd extreme value pick is:

KENYON MARTIN JR

Kenyon Martin Jr. has inched closer to fulfilling a "lifelong dream." The son of former New Jersey Nets player Kenyon Martin Sr. announced his decision to declare for the 2020 NBA Draft on Tuesday. He shared the news in an Instagram post.Mar 25, 2020

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.peachtreehoops.com/platform/amp/2020/6/29/21305199/kenyon-martin-jr-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-video-athleticism-atlanta-hawks-high-school-img

Statistical profile

Kenyon Martin Jr. is a 6’7”, 215-pound forward with great leaping ability and change of direction. During his most recent season at IMG, Martin shot 35% from three-point range on a low volume and 67% from the free throw line, according to information from Jonathan Givony of ESPN. In addition, he was active on the defensive end, recording over a block and a steal per game.

In one matchup, Martin finished with a monster 34 points, 16 rebounds, 5 steals and two blocks in 38 minutes in IMG Academy’s 100-95 win over Hargrave Academy (VA), according to information from Tarek Fattal. Martin played for IMG’s post-grad basketball team, a separate entity from their varsity squad.

With the AAU Oakland Soldiers (on an extremely small sample size of 146 total minutes), he logged an average of 30.6 points on 60.2 TS% and a gaudy 23.9 rebounds per 36 minutes, according to RealGM.

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He'd be a very exciting possible replacement for Oubre at the backup 2/3 once he develops in a professional environment.

[No-Man]

Hayes is actually pretty similar to Rubio in some aspects, I think he goes a tad higher than 10th, like 6-8th but if he is available I'd def take him into consideration

I think most likely than not the pick comes down to Vassell or Okoro

I'd be fine with Vassell really

[WeekapaugGroove]

Hayes is actually pretty similar to Rubio in some aspects, I think he goes a tad higher than 10th, like 6-8th but if he is available I'd def take him into consideration

I think most likely than not the pick comes down to Vassell or Okoro

I'd be fine with Vassell really

Vassell seems like a very James Jones type of pick and one I'd be totally cool with. No prospect is a sure thing but it's pretty easy to see how his game should translate and he feels pretty safe to be at least a rotation guy pretty early in his career.

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[bigfoot]

Is there any news on how this draft goes down in terms of bringing in players for workouts or the combine? Without the ability to do any proper evaluations and with the college season ending early, it seems that picks just aren't that valuable this year. Really, Zoom meetings are it? I don't know why the NBA wouldn't put together a draft bubble for the combine, team evaluations, and draft night. If they televised it I might actually watch some of it. They could invite the top 105 players and run it over a two week period prior to October 15. Sure the NBA has to manage a bunch of youngsters but this likely what will be happening in the 2020-2021 season so it would be a good learning experience for the incoming players.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Is there any news on how this draft goes down in terms of bringing in players for workouts or the combine? Without the ability to do any proper evaluations and with the college season ending early, it seems that picks just aren't that valuable this year. Really, Zoom meetings are it? I don't know why the NBA wouldn't put together a draft bubble for the combine, team evaluations, and draft night. If they televised it I might actually watch some of it. They could invite the top 105 players and run it over a two week period prior to October 15. Sure the NBA has to manage a bunch of youngsters but this likely what will be happening in the 2020-2021 season so it would be a good learning experience for the incoming players.

From what I've heard they might try some type of bubble combine thing but nothing is set in stone on that. Teams want it for at least the medicals on these guys.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

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[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Slim Charless]

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Would love this especially since the 3 PFs are all off the board. Hayes can learn behind Rubio for a year then take over for him afterwards. Haven't researched Hayes as much as the 4s coming out, but The Ringer has him as their #1 prospect and he's top 5 in tankanthon. We will need a Rubio replacement sooner, rather then later.

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Would love this especially since the 3 PFs are all off the board. Hayes can learn behind Rubio for a year then take over for him afterwards. Haven't researched Hayes as much as the 4s coming out, but The Ringer has him as their #1 prospect and he's top 5 in tankanthon. We will need a Rubio replacement sooner, rather then later.

I personally don't agree with the majority of their ranges for the prospects in this mock. And I don't see any way imaginable that Hayes falls all the way to 10 for us. Also don't see any way that Vassell falls to 13, Lewis to 21, And Riller and Terry all the way to the mid 2nd round. But IF Hayes would somehow fall to us, it's not a bad thing. Although if we're being honest, Then I'd prefer Vassell at 10, Then purchase a mid to late first for Riller or Lewis or Terry. And then a 2nd for Reed or Oturu or Tillie, etc. For our frontcourt. Spread out the depth throughout the roster.

[Slim Charless]

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Would love this especially since the 3 PFs are all off the board. Hayes can learn behind Rubio for a year then take over for him afterwards. Haven't researched Hayes as much as the 4s coming out, but The Ringer has him as their #1 prospect and he's top 5 in tankanthon. We will need a Rubio replacement sooner, rather then later.

I personally don't agree with the majority of their ranges for the prospects in this mock. And I don't see any way imaginable that Hayes falls all the way to 10 for us. Also don't see any way that Vassell falls to 13, Lewis to 21, And Riller and Terry all the way to the mid 2nd round. But IF Hayes would somehow fall to us, it's not a bad thing. Although if we're being honest, Then I'd prefer Vassell at 10, Then purchase a mid to late first for Riller or Lewis or Terry. And then a 2nd for Reed or Oturu or Tillie, etc. For our frontcourt. Spread out the depth throughout the roster.

Neither do I. Detroit, NYC and you can make a case for Charlotte all need PGs badly and Melo is going top 3 no matter whose there most like. But under this mock, I'll happily draft Hayes. Would you take him over any of the PFs, and if so which ones? For me its a tough call as I think that a backup big is very important and can save us $$ on Saric/Frank.

Btw I don't think there's any way that we purchase any extra picks. If anything we need to be worried about $arver selling it

[Ghost of Kleine]

Would love this especially since the 3 PFs are all off the board. Hayes can learn behind Rubio for a year then take over for him afterwards. Haven't researched Hayes as much as the 4s coming out, but The Ringer has him as their #1 prospect and he's top 5 in tankanthon. We will need a Rubio replacement sooner, rather then later.

I personally don't agree with the majority of their ranges for the prospects in this mock. And I don't see any way imaginable that Hayes falls all the way to 10 for us. Also don't see any way that Vassell falls to 13, Lewis to 21, And Riller and Terry all the way to the mid 2nd round. But IF Hayes would somehow fall to us, it's not a bad thing. Although if we're being honest, Then I'd prefer Vassell at 10, Then purchase a mid to late first for Riller or Lewis or Terry. And then a 2nd for Reed or Oturu or Tillie, etc. For our frontcourt. Spread out the depth throughout the roster.

Neither do I. Detroit, NYC and you can make a case for Charlotte all need PGs badly and Melo is going top 3 no matter whose there most like. But under this mock, I'll happily draft Hayes. Would you take him over any of the PFs, and if so which ones? For me its a tough call as I think that a backup big is very important and can save us $$ on Saric/Frank.

Btw I don't think there's any way that we purchase any extra picks. If anything we need to be worried about $arver selling it

Honestly, I think I'd only take Hayes over these 4s' in the first round honestly:
- Pokusevski.
- Patrick Williams.
- Saddiq Bey.
- Reggie Perry.
- Jaden McDaniels.
- Maybe............ Just maybe Over Achiuwa ( Due to his lack of offensive polish. But for me overall, I strongly believe that we could still get a comparable high potential guard prospect in one of Lewis, Riller, Terry, or maybe even Flynn perhaps later in the draft. That's why I consider this draft to be unique, As it actually plays to our advantage in that the perspective talent level is pretty even throughout the first round, And it even has quite a few potential gems in the 2nd round as well. But I also agree that frontcourt depth and for me at least, rim protection and rebounding are key issues still too. So I'd have a very hard time passing on either Toppin or Okungwu IF they fell to 10 as well.

As for purchasing additional picks, I actually think that this particular draft is one ( due to the lockdown and potential cap restrictions) Wherein even Sarver will may look to add low cost contractually controlled depth ( assets)!
My belief in this is furthered by Sarvers' recent selling of our G league team, And speculation of potential financial issues, as well as the overall shallow free agency pool this summer. So it's setting up for this draft to become a very cost effective way to add depth, and potential tradable assets, with minimal salary commitments, And minimal impact to our cap flexibility.

Having said that, I'd still rather have Vassell or Toppin or Okungwu or even Okoro possibly over having Hayes fall to us. But all things considered, I wouldn't be upset with Hayes IF we went that direction.

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[Slim Charless]

I personally don't agree with the majority of their ranges for the prospects in this mock. And I don't see any way imaginable that Hayes falls all the way to 10 for us. Also don't see any way that Vassell falls to 13, Lewis to 21, And Riller and Terry all the way to the mid 2nd round. But IF Hayes would somehow fall to us, it's not a bad thing. Although if we're being honest, Then I'd prefer Vassell at 10, Then purchase a mid to late first for Riller or Lewis or Terry. And then a 2nd for Reed or Oturu or Tillie, etc. For our frontcourt. Spread out the depth throughout the roster.

Neither do I. Detroit, NYC and you can make a case for Charlotte all need PGs badly and Melo is going top 3 no matter whose there most like. But under this mock, I'll happily draft Hayes. Would you take him over any of the PFs, and if so which ones? For me its a tough call as I think that a backup big is very important and can save us $$ on Saric/Frank.

Btw I don't think there's any way that we purchase any extra picks. If anything we need to be worried about $arver selling it

Honestly, I think I'd only take Hayes over these 4s' in the first round honestly:
- Pokusevski.
- Patrick Williams.
- Saddiq Bey.
- Reggie Perry.
- Jaden McDaniels.
- Maybe............ Just maybe Over Achiuwa ( Due to his lack of offensive polish. But for me overall, I strongly believe that we could still get a comparable high potential guard prospect in one of Lewis, Riller, Terry, or maybe even Flynn perhaps later in the draft. That's why I consider this draft to be unique, As it actually plays to our advantage in that the perspective talent level is pretty even throughout the first round, And it even has quite a few potential gems in the 2nd round as well. But I also agree that frontcourt depth and for me at least, rim protection and rebounding are key issues still too. So I'd have a very hard time passing on either Toppin or Okungwu IF they fell to 10 as well.

As for purchasing additional picks, I actually think that this particular draft is one ( due to the lockdown and potential cap restrictions) Wherein even Sarver will may look to add low cost contractually controlled depth ( assets)!
My belief in this is furthered by Sarvers' recent selling of our G league team, And speculation of potential financial issues, as well as the overall shallow free agency pool this summer. So it's setting up for this draft to become a very cost effective way to add depth, and potential tradable assets, with minimal salary commitments, And minimal impact to our cap flexibility.

Having said that, I'd still rather have Vassell or Toppin or Okungwu or even Okoro possibly over having Hayes fall to us. But all things considered, I wouldn't be upset with Hayes IF we went that direction.

I'd have to agree. Any of the PFs land at our spot and I take one. Just to allow more size and the fact that Baynes is kinda old and Saric is simply meh to me. Much rather have one of those guys whether it'd be Toppin (offensively) or either of the other 2 with their rebounding and defense it makes a better match for what we need. That also goes to the amount of faith that I have in Paynes/Carter as well I suppose. I hope that both are back next season, that combo was punishing to the opposing benches when Rubio/Booker sat during the bubble.

Now, if all those guys are gone of course that should mean that Hayes or maybe even Halliburton drops to us. After reading and watching some videos on Hayes I'm closer to taking him over Halliburton if that happens. Hayes seems like he has much more potential as opposed to Halliburton, who while very good seems to me to be more what you see is what you get. Hayes is one of the youngest guys available and has a chance to exceed his draft slot by a fair measure. With either guy we wouldn't really need much this year as we have Rubio and both Payne/Carter. In this scenario it's really unfortunate that we don't have a G league team as it would pay to put whoever would be our PG pick in their for at least part of the season.

That all being said, and I've mentioned before that I want us to package this pick, other stuff and swing it for someone like Simmons. With Ayton slowly seeming like a big who doesn't like hanging out it the paint as much as we all want him to, Simmons seems like he can occupy that area and pass the ball out when the D collapses on him. Philly is ripe for trades now too with things in chaos over there.