Around the NBA streets Vol. 5: ONE MORE TIME

[John-S]

Not sure how Fred Vanvleet wasn’t an allstar in the east averaging nearly 20 on a 2nd seed contending team. This guy is better and more proven in the biggest stages than most PGs in the east with elite 2 way game and MASSIVE floor spacing abilities.

[IggieCC]

what a game between Denver and Utah. two evenly matched teams imo

Cakewalk for the Clips in the 2nd

Pretty much. Barring injuries to Kawhi or George, I got Clippers cake-walking to the Finals tbh MOS

Take that covid vaccine and report back MOS

[IggieCC]

Not sure how Fred Vanvleet wasn’t an allstar in the east averaging nearly 20 on a 2nd seed contending team. This guy is better and more proven in the biggest stages than most PGs in the east with elite 2 way game and MASSIVE floor spacing abilities.

He might have been pegged as six man of the year candidate for most people and didn't get enough recognition until they realize that he's actually a starter? Unless you're following Raptors closely he's likely seen as a backup to Lowry? He's a victim of perception but things will change after this season.

[DayofMourning]

Not sure how Fred Vanvleet wasn’t an allstar in the east averaging nearly 20 on a 2nd seed contending team. This guy is better and more proven in the biggest stages than most PGs in the east with elite 2 way game and MASSIVE floor spacing abilities.

He might have been pegged as six man of the year candidate for most people and didn't get enough recognition until they realize that he's actually a starter? Unless you're following Raptors closely he's likely seen as a backup to Lowry? He's a victim of perception but things will change after this season.

Yep, especially since he will be a Heat.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/allucanheat.com/2020/08/04/b-r-miami-heat-spot-fred-vanvleet/amp/

[Wiltside]

I just don’t see Embiid and Bam being on the same team. Too much of the cap would be tied to two bigs in a league where one big is often enough.

It would cost Bam since you shouldn't play Bam and Embiid together and you have to give up something good/great and I really don't care how much you like Bam, he's not in Embiid's class for potential(Embiid on a team that makes him accountable). I am not comparing Bam vs Philly Embiid, I'm comparing Bam vs Embiid in Miami with a great coach and a culture to push him.

How to build the trade in the offseason is interesting. If there isn't any space available to absorb some of Embiid's salary, you have to get up to 24 million to be in the 125% for the trade. Bam(5.1) and Iggy(15) only gets you to 20.1. If Olynyk opts in you can toss in his 12.1 million which equates to 32.2 mil and Miami would acquire another player like Z.Smith(3.2) or really work it to get Thybulle (which I'd really try to acquire even if you had to expand the trade to include Nunn). I don't move Butler, Herro or Robinson and then I resign Dragic, Crowder and DJJ.

You then move forward with starters in Herro, Robinson, Butler, Crowder, Embiid with Dragic, DJJ, KZ, Silva and possibly Z.Smith to round out the bench. Just image playmakers in Butler and Herro, the 2 man game of Embiid and Robinson, Embiid in the low post with 3pt shooters surrounding the arc and the switch ability on defense with a great sized player to protect the rim. That is a very dangerous championship caliber team. Remember, you have 3 more years with Butler and then it's possible you lose a good/great player for nothing but possibly cap space.

The issue would be making Philly a better team built around Simmons. Philly could possibly would move forward with Nunn, Richardson, Harris, Simmons and Bam with a bench of Horford, Iggy, Scott and Korkmaz. That's a fast team that has 2 unique bigs who are very good passers, one being an elite passer.

Will start by stating that I don't want to move Bam. I absolutely love drafting a guy, investing in him, and watching them grow into a force. Bam with a jumper becomes a very dangerous player and I love his personality. That means a lot to me.

However, if you trade Bam for Embiid, you are increasing your talent level by a good amount. I've stated before that I think a focused, healthy Embiid might just be the best player in the league. He's huge, with a jumper, and plays both ends of the court. He physically imposes himself on every game. He made Bam wilt earlier this year.

Would you follow that move with another shot at a big time FA this offseason? Would AD and Embiid work?

We've had this debate a little before. It's a tricky one.

Bam has grown into such a valuable player. He's our hub for everything offensively, he's our best defensive player and should make All-Defense this year. He's only 23 years old and should continue to get better and better. I don't actually know where his ceiling is.

On the other hand, Embiid is already a Top 10 player in the NBA. He is straight up dominant offensively, patrols the paint and interior, and is a 3x All-Star and All-NBA level player. At 26 years old, he's entering his prime. He's under contract until 2023 on a very reasonable deal considering his production.

If pushed, I'd probably have to do it - even though it would be really hard to actually follow through with it. Butler is in his window now, Embiid is entering his, and we'd probably still have some serious cap to work with to get another piece or two.

Bam's amazing durability would give me some pause, as Embiid has such a lengthy injury history. You will always have to manage him so carefully to get the most out of him. Both he and Butler miss quite a few games during a regular season.

I don't think they'd throw Thybulle in as I feel they're pretty high on him, but they would put Zhaire Smith in the deal.

Not sure what the cap math looks like, but something like:

Igoudala
Olynyk
Adebayo

for

Embiid
Smith

Would probably check out.

HEAT:

PG - Butler / Dragic
SG - Herro / Nunn
SF - Robinson
PF - Crowder
C - Embiid

SIXERS:

PG - Milton
SG - Richardson
SF - Harris / Igoudala
PF - Simmons / Olynyk
C - Adebayo / Horford

[DayofMourning]

It's wild that Philly was basically making moves with Hinkie every step of the way, then he gets overridden, and eventually excommunicated from the house he built. I will always look back at his tenure as one of the greatest of our time.

[al bondiga]

Playoffs intensity not even close to what it is to when fans are present

[al bondiga]

what a game between Denver and Utah. two evenly matched teams imo

Cakewalk for the Clips in the 2nd

Pretty much. Barring injuries to Kawhi or George, I got Clippers cake-walking to the Finals tbh MOS

Take that covid vaccine and report back MOS

Dallas is going to give the the Clippers a headache

[Chalm Down]

Cakewalk for the Clips in the 2nd

Pretty much. Barring injuries to Kawhi or George, I got Clippers cake-walking to the Finals tbh MOS

Take that covid vaccine and report back MOS

Dallas is going to give the the Clippers a headache

maybe they will keep up offensively, but they have no one to guard kawhi/pg

[QUIZ]

Embiid looks upset. I know a team that can help him

[IggieCC]

Playoffs intensity not even close to what it is to when fans are present

this exhibition game feel won't go away bondiga. just gotta get used to it as a new norm (quite possibly the same platform next szn)

[IggieCC]

Pretty much. Barring injuries to Kawhi or George, I got Clippers cake-walking to the Finals tbh MOS

Take that covid vaccine and report back MOS

Dallas is going to give the the Clippers a headache

maybe they will keep up offensively, but they have no one to guard kawhi/pg

Mavs would have given a team like the Lakers a run for their money but not the Clippers with a multiple elite wing defenders.

[IggieCC]

Only thing about Clippers is I don't believe in playoff P. That guy is just a streaky shooter and can shoot you out a game or three. Luckily he's the 2nd option so it's still all on Kawhi. if he holds up, so will the Clips

[IggieCC]

Doncic goat

[IggieCC]

Clippers flawed

[al bondiga]

Pretty much. Barring injuries to Kawhi or George, I got Clippers cake-walking to the Finals tbh MOS

Take that covid vaccine and report back MOS

Dallas is going to give the the Clippers a headache

maybe they will keep up offensively, but they have no one to guard kawhi/pg

nobody can guard those two guys really, I think the Clippers are involved in an unfavorable mismatch and they're bench is inadequate

[IggieCC]

Clippers in 5

[al bondiga]

Playoffs intensity not even close to what it is to when fans are present

this exhibition game feel won't go away bondiga. just gotta get used to it as a new norm (quite possibly the same platform next szn)

Next season will falter also, you are right, but if things don't change drastically by All-Star Game NBA ratings will start descending big time

[al bondiga]

Clippers in 5

in 6 if they have the wind on their back

[IggieCC]

Clippers playing no defense chalms but think they'll turn it up in 4th (or so they think is the plan)