Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce

[HarthorneWingo]

Jibber jabber. Means nothing. What a waste of time to give Kasich any time.

[HarthorneWingo]

Go get that Alabama vote!

[HarthorneWingo]

What a disaster.

[robillionaire]

What a disaster.

if I wanted a bunch of republicans to tell me who to vote for over FaceTime I'd probably just call my extended family

really it's enough to make you sick, but you have to just accept that we aren't the target audience

[BallSacBounce]

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-drives-around-playing-mailbox-baseball-in-new-vote-suppression-scheme

U.S.—President Trump's vote suppression efforts seem to know no bounds, with his main efforts focused against the USPS to stop mail-in voting. In Trump’s latest attack on democracy, he is now riding around in an SUV playing “mailbox baseball” -- smashing mailboxes with a baseball bat to make it impossible for people to mail in their ballots.

“Try and vote for Biden now!” Trump was heard yelling as he knocked a mailbox off its post.

You're not suggesting that Trump and the Republicans haven't attempted to subvert and suppress the vote through control and manipulation of the USPS, are you? Or are you making a different point?

I was having a bit of fun. But regardless no I don't think so. An overhaul has been long overdue they bleed money like crazy and the mails aren't what they used to be with technology.

What I think is he is an expert at chain yanking and now Twitter is all a rage now. The partisans will square off and nothing between them will change. The normals will say **** this **** I want to vote in person I don't trust the mail.

Democrats are using the planned overhaul of the USPS for a couple of reasons. To begin seeding the national psyche that a Trump win is somehow illegitante I mean c'mon they've been doing it for how many years now with the fake ass Russia BS they aren't stopping now.

Also because they think mail in voting will help them. I don't blame them. Voting for Joe Biden isn't getting anyone up early but lick an envelope, sure thing. Republicans don't want it for a couple of reasons, USPS union endorses Biden. Sorry, that removes trust they shouldnt have done that.

https://www.postaltimes.com/postalnews/apwu-executive-board-endorses-joe-biden-for-president/

And they think it opens up the system for fraud and disarray and it does. My God what a freaking mess an all in mail in voting would be. Election might not be decided for weeks.

[Pointgod]

Uh oh Bernie said he’d work with Conservatives. Progressive twitter is about to put out a hit on this poor man.

[HarthorneWingo]

What a disaster.

if I wanted a bunch of republicans to tell me who to vote for over FaceTime I'd probably just call my extended family

really it's enough to make you sick, but you have to just accept that we aren't the target audience

All this bullshyt flowery language about "Who we are" and "We care about each of you" ... makes me want to vomit.

[thebuzzardman]

What a disaster.

if I wanted a bunch of republicans to tell me who to vote for over FaceTime I'd probably just call my extended family

really it's enough to make you sick, but you have to just accept that we aren't the target audience

It's to try and swing Ohio democrats (who are pretty damn conservative) or independents (see prior comment)

It's actually smart politics by the democrats.

For once.

Sure, some people may not like it, but still a wise idea.

Unfortunately, Ted Nugent was booked, so no getting out for the Michigan vote.

[HarthorneWingo]

What a disaster.

if I wanted a bunch of republicans to tell me who to vote for over FaceTime I'd probably just call my extended family

really it's enough to make you sick, but you have to just accept that we aren't the target audience

It's to try and swing Ohio democrats (who are pretty damn conservative) or independents (see prior comment)

It's actually smart politics by the democrats.

For once.

Sure, some people may not like it, but still a wise idea.

Unfortunately, Ted Nugent was booked, so no getting out for the Michigan vote.

How many of them do you really hope you'll get to jump over to our team? Almost 90% of republicans approve of Trump. Time and money would've been much better spent by moving to the left and energizing the base. That's where the vote are at. What have republicans done for us to get our attention from us like this?

But Joe and the DNC have now taken mucho dinero from the insurance industry and Wall Street. That's the reason why we're getting this shyt show.

[thebuzzardman]

if I wanted a bunch of republicans to tell me who to vote for over FaceTime I'd probably just call my extended family

really it's enough to make you sick, but you have to just accept that we aren't the target audience

It's to try and swing Ohio democrats (who are pretty damn conservative) or independents (see prior comment)

It's actually smart politics by the democrats.

For once.

Sure, some people may not like it, but still a wise idea.

Unfortunately, Ted Nugent was booked, so no getting out for the Michigan vote.

How many of them do you really hope you'll get to jump over to our team? Almost 90% of republicans approve of Trump. Time and money would've been much better spent by moving to the left and energizing the base. That's where the vote are at. What have republicans done for us to get our attention from us like this?

But Joe and the DNC have now taken mucho dinero from the insurance industry and Wall Street. That's the reason why we're getting this shyt show.

It's about an important swing state. I don't know. Hilary, who sucked, lost 3 states like this, to include Ohio, by what, 45,000 votes.

So, er, ah, I guess Special K is there to deliver roughly 15,000 blue collar ex union, abortion hating catholics into the eager arms of uncle Joe.

What's that cost nowadays, besides a small piece of Wingo's soul?

[HarthorneWingo]

It's to try and swing Ohio democrats (who are pretty damn conservative) or independents (see prior comment)

It's actually smart politics by the democrats.

For once.

Sure, some people may not like it, but still a wise idea.

Unfortunately, Ted Nugent was booked, so no getting out for the Michigan vote.

How many of them do you really hope you'll get to jump over to our team? Almost 90% of republicans approve of Trump. Time and money would've been much better spent by moving to the left and energizing the base. That's where the vote are at. What have republicans done for us to get our attention from us like this?

But Joe and the DNC have now taken mucho dinero from the insurance industry and Wall Street. That's the reason why we're getting this shyt show.

It's about an important swing state. I don't know. Hilary, who sucked, lost 3 states like this, to include Ohio, by what, 45,000 votes.

So, er, ah, I guess Special K is there to deliver roughly 15,000 blue collar ex union, abortion hating catholics into the eager arms of uncle Joe.

What's that cost nowadays, besides a small piece of Wingo's soul?

[Pointgod]

I can see why someone would want Michelle Obama to run. She’s an amazing speaker but I wouldn’t wish the vitriol she’d receive on anyone.

[HarthorneWingo]

Read on Twitter

[Stannis]

Trump Voices Concern That Putting Marijuana On The Ballot Makes Republicans Lose

https://www.marijuanamoment.net/trump-voices-concern-that-putting-marijuana-on-the-ballot-makes-republicans-lose/

[Stannis]

What a disaster.

if I wanted a bunch of republicans to tell me who to vote for over FaceTime I'd probably just call my extended family

really it's enough to make you sick, but you have to just accept that we aren't the target audience

It's to try and swing Ohio democrats (who are pretty damn conservative) or independents (see prior comment)

It's actually smart politics by the democrats.

For once.

Sure, some people may not like it, but still a wise idea.

Unfortunately, Ted Nugent was booked, so no getting out for the Michigan vote.

I feel like Ohio is already lost. When I think of ride-or-die Trump supporters, I think of Ohio. Even if Biden does manage to win Ohio, I see it flipping red in the very next election easy.

I think more effort should be put into Arizona, Florida. And probably Texas and Georgia over Ohio.

[rammagen]

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-drives-around-playing-mailbox-baseball-in-new-vote-suppression-scheme

U.S.—President Trump's vote suppression efforts seem to know no bounds, with his main efforts focused against the USPS to stop mail-in voting. In Trump’s latest attack on democracy, he is now riding around in an SUV playing “mailbox baseball” -- smashing mailboxes with a baseball bat to make it impossible for people to mail in their ballots.

“Try and vote for Biden now!” Trump was heard yelling as he knocked a mailbox off its post.

You're not suggesting that Trump and the Republicans haven't attempted to subvert and suppress the vote through control and manipulation of the USPS, are you? Or are you making a different point?

I was having a bit of fun. But regardless no I don't think so. An overhaul has been long overdue they bleed money like crazy and the mails aren't what they used to be with technology.

What I think is he is an expert at chain yanking and now Twitter is all a rage now. The partisans will square off and nothing between them will change. The normals will say **** this **** I want to vote in person I don't trust the mail.

Democrats are using the planned overhaul of the USPS for a couple of reasons. To begin seeding the national psyche that a Trump win is somehow illegitante I mean c'mon they've been doing it for how many years now with the fake ass Russia BS they aren't stopping now.

Also because they think mail in voting will help them. I don't blame them. Voting for Joe Biden isn't getting anyone up early but lick an envelope, sure thing. Republicans don't want it for a couple of reasons, USPS union endorses Biden. Sorry, that removes trust they shouldnt have done that.

https://www.postaltimes.com/postalnews/apwu-executive-board-endorses-joe-biden-for-president/

And they think it opens up the system for fraud and disarray and it does. My God what a freaking mess an all in mail in voting would be. Election might not be decided for weeks.

Except the Russia stuff is not fake. In the face of evidence from National security how do you persist in the belief the Russians are not trying to and rather successfully because people wont believe that they are or do believe everything they read on face book. This is not CCN this is the president posting stuff on twitter from Russian sources that national severity has already called out as false.
I am for truth in government but if people want to believe a man that lied to them over 20k times there are over 170k deaths in his leadership due to covid when he could helped control it and did not. Then no one can help them but dont bring the rest of down to this poor leadership because you are scared of diversity

[BallSacBounce]

It's hilarious to me when people say Trump isn't any different. That man has been fought against tooth and nail by the establishment and there is a damn reason for it and it isn't because he's obnoxious, he is. It isn't because he is an ass...., he is. It's because he's costing them a lot of **** money. You're a grownup, surely you can figure this out. It's always about the money.

Trump's replacing of NAFTA, placing tariffs on Chinese goods and curbing illegal immigration has really **** up the globalist plans. You were being slowly eaten alive by them and Trump is the man that's saving you. Not that half of you even deserve it.

Hold on there just a second. Are you saying you voted for the Queen of Neocons Hillary Clinton instead of Trump? Who are you to criticize and you're at least semi-wrong about Trump anyway and it's the most important part. He doesn't get us into wars.

There were two reasons I was happy Barack Obama won in spite of my who I would rather have politically. He's our first Black President and John McCain would have for sure found a real good war to get us into. He was an animal. The most dangerous man in congress.

It was hilarious to me when Democrats held up John McCain as some exemplar of righteous virtue when he died. Every time that man touched down in the Middle East there was yet another conflagration. Then again maybe that's why they did it.

That's the establishment. It's both Democrat and Republican. Hillary said about Mohamar Gaddafi "We came. We saw. He died" then she cackled like a hyena in a TV interview. The Africans being sold now in the Li in byan slave trade sure aren't laughing and smiling about it. But then it's always been about money. The right people were paid off for that execution. From what I've heard from people that lived in that area his people liked him. He accomplished a lot there.

Admittedly, I’m not fully boned up on my U.S.-China trade relations (that’s on the list) bit that may be the one area where the Trump administration may have gotten it right though Trump’s tweets and behavior towards China seemed to meander IMO.

The area that most concerns me are the Republican influx of their judges. It’s the reason why I urged then and continue to urge that people vote for the Democrat.

Yeah, it get complicated.

Would you m have voted for Bernie in a general?

Serious question knowing what you know about Trump why the hell would you think he’s ever gotten anything right? Don’t let BallSacBounce lie to you, you can look this stuff up yourself. The trade war has been a disaster.

https://www.axios.com/us-china-trade-war-tariffs-tiktok-huawei-135dec88-7de3-42e9-9981-209bae3bf279.html

Why it matters: The tariffs continue to impress a sizable tax on U.S. companies and consumers, adding additional costs and red tape for small businesses, farmers, manufacturers and households trying to stay afloat amid the pandemic.

What's happening: The "phase one" deal was cheered by investors as a positive first step, because it stopped a tit-for-tat tariff escalation that was poised to add a tax to nearly every product traded between the U.S. and China.

However, it did nothing about tariffs on hundreds of billions of dollars of Chinese imports already in place that are paid by U.S. companies.

With the U.S. ratcheting up the pressure, there is a decreasing likelihood China lives up to its "phase one" agreement.

That means a diminished outlook for industries that were counting on the $200 billion in increased purchases of U.S. agriculture, energy and manufacturing after a brutal 2019.

The primary cost of tariffs isn't the tariffs themselves, but the deadweight loss of consumers buying more expensive, or less efficient, products.

The trade war also is a major factor pushing businesses to pull supply chains and production out of China, increasing costs and uprooting longstanding relationships.
For big companies, this will weigh on margins; for small companies, it could mean going out of business.

Here’s a longer analysis by the Brookings Institute. Long story short the trade war with China has been horrible for US businesses and consumers, but here’s the thing the trade deficit with China was just replaced by buying goods from other countries.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2020/08/07/more-pain-than-gain-how-the-us-china-trade-war-hurt-america/

You also can’t ignore that Trump has said nothing about China’s concentration camps and told Xi he’d say nothing about Hong Kong if China would buy goods. So you see BallSacBounce claims that Trump is anti establishment but he’s your typical neocon in policy and actions (ignore the rhetoric).

https://prospect.org/world/trump-white-house-backs-arms-dealers-yemen-raytheon/

Obviously BallSacBounce doesn’t care about the people who are dying in Yemen under Trump but has the gall to bring up Libya (A country with an actual dictator that murdered his own people).

And before you say Biden is just as bad, the expectation is that he’ll reduce spending. I know you’ll probably say you don’t trust Biden, but the analysis is what it is.

https://www.defenseone.com/business/2020/07/bidens-defense-spending-how-much-and-how-fast/166606/

How embarrassing for you to be regurgitating US Chamber of Commerce talking points. I thought you were a progressive.

Tarrifs are more complicated than you've presented. Prices don't automatically go up on imported goods. That is if there is any elasticity at all then at least some of the price will be absorbed by the manufacturer, in this case its also being subsidized by the government of China with payments to manufacturers.

What is happening in China now is in some ways what happened to us a few decades ago. Corporations in this country did everything to cut costs to compete with the China menace. Now China will do everything they can so they don't lose their manufacturing like we lost ours.

China will continue to buy our food. They have no choice they cannot even produce enough **** rice for their population. They can SAY they will buy their soybeans only from say Brazil but the truth is commodities are a world market and if they take from one area it will need to be replaced and it will be by us.

In the long run our manufacturing and with it the jobs will be restored and that's why we're doing it. It's ludicrous to think it will cost us jobs. Absolutely **** crazy insane.

[Stannis]

What a disaster.

if I wanted a bunch of republicans to tell me who to vote for over FaceTime I'd probably just call my extended family

really it's enough to make you sick, but you have to just accept that we aren't the target audience

They just need to try harder to get a George Bush endorsement, and they will have this election in the bag.

[BallSacBounce]

You're not suggesting that Trump and the Republicans haven't attempted to subvert and suppress the vote through control and manipulation of the USPS, are you? Or are you making a different point?

I was having a bit of fun. But regardless no I don't think so. An overhaul has been long overdue they bleed money like crazy and the mails aren't what they used to be with technology.

What I think is he is an expert at chain yanking and now Twitter is all a rage now. The partisans will square off and nothing between them will change. The normals will say **** this **** I want to vote in person I don't trust the mail.

Democrats are using the planned overhaul of the USPS for a couple of reasons. To begin seeding the national psyche that a Trump win is somehow illegitante I mean c'mon they've been doing it for how many years now with the fake ass Russia BS they aren't stopping now.

Also because they think mail in voting will help them. I don't blame them. Voting for Joe Biden isn't getting anyone up early but lick an envelope, sure thing. Republicans don't want it for a couple of reasons, USPS union endorses Biden. Sorry, that removes trust they shouldnt have done that.

https://www.postaltimes.com/postalnews/apwu-executive-board-endorses-joe-biden-for-president/

And they think it opens up the system for fraud and disarray and it does. My God what a freaking mess an all in mail in voting would be. Election might not be decided for weeks.

Except the Russia stuff is not fake. In the face of evidence from National security how do you persist in the belief the Russians are not trying to and rather successfully because people wont believe that they are or do believe everything they read on face book. This is not CCN this is the president posting stuff on twitter from Russian sources that national severity has already called out as false.
I am for truth in government but if people want to believe a man that lied to them over 20k times there are over 170k deaths in his leadership due to covid when he could helped control it and did not. Then no one can help them but dont bring the rest of down to this poor leadership because you are scared of diversity

Except the Russia stuff IS fake and the guilty pleas are starting to flow. See Kevin Clinesmith. He altered an email to say Carter Page was not a CIA asset when in fact the CIA email said that he was. He did that because it would have been absurd to assert Page was a possible Russian asset when in fact he was a CIA one. That's what he showed the FISA court and that's what enabled them to spy on the Trump administration. And it was **** faked.

Look Russia always tries to interfere in our elections, that's nothing new and has nothing to do with **** Trump. They want to sow discord and they've done a fine job with that with the Democrats screaming Russian Collusion and Treason and assorted other idiotic crap every second of every day for the past 3 1/2 years.


You want to know why they're doing that? To cover up their FISA court abuse. There is lots and lots of money and political advantage involved if you can surreptitiously monitor communications with CEOs and politicians with no warrant and no blowback.

When Adm. Rogers discovered the abuse the next day Glenn Simpson visited the White House and the start of finding excuses for deploying human assets within the Trump administration began for information they could no longer get illegally.

Judge Collyer lays out the abuse in a report just before she retired. 85% of FISA searches were illegal. That's what SHE said. And also that there was no reason to believe that the period 2012-2016 that was studied was any different than the period before it.

So the abuse was going on for a long time. And they couldn't very well let Trump attack them on it they risked jail time. The start of all of this was the FISA abuse and it began well before Trump. The Russia Hoax was all smoke and mirrors to hide what they did.

Believe it or not I don't care. You will be hearing a lot more of it before the election it looks like Durham is about done with his investigation.

[BKlutch]

Trump narrowing the gap with Biden in the latest poll.

In case anybody thinks they can screw around with Biden and he will still easily beat Trump, this article shows that is not a good idea.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/cnn-poll-biden-trump-august/index.html



Let's not count our chickens before they hatch. Take away 1-2% of the vote from voter suppression, and we have 4 more years of hell.

looks like a canary in the coal mine to me. I look for polls with trump ahead to emerge by the end of next month.

Well, there's also this one, from a pollster graded A+ by 538

Read on Twitter

?s=19

I think the CNN may be an outlier. We'll have to see how all the other polls shake out for this time period.

I would like to think you're right. But I don't want to be complacent - none of us should be. Michelle Obama's speech last night addressed this issue - some of us thought our votes didn't matter, some were fed up, some thought Trump would never win, but when the votes were counted, a bad man who lost the popular vote by millions went to the White House.

Whether Biden's lead is large or small, we can't give up until the metaphorical silver stake is pounded through the vampire's heart.