2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

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[PharmD]

Dario played great in the bubble and i like the guy but i think the brakes need to be pumped. I'd extend him the QO and see what the market thinks he's worth. I'd match a 4/32 type offer but no way would i pay him $13M/yr like Marks suggested. He's being signed to be a backup 4 that can moonlight as a backup 5.

[nevetsov]

Dario played great in the bubble and i like the guy but i think the brakes need to be pumped. I'd extend him the QO and see what the market thinks he's worth. I'd match a 4/32 type offer but no way would i pay him $13M/yr like Marks suggested. He's being signed to be a backup 4 that can moonlight as a backup 5.

Yeah I think being an RFA and having the ability to match is a big deal here. Guys like him and Bjelica will set the market, and if Dario signs a deal elsewhere, we have time to explore options with comparable players on the open market, before letting him go.

On the flip side, if we sign a guy before Dario signs with another team, we can rescind the QO and let him go.

[Saberestar]

I like Bjelica a lot. Especially as a potential Kaminsky replacement. Maybe even Saric replacement if he costs too much to keep.

He is 32 years old and a mediocre defender... that is why the Kings will probably pass on him for $7M.

Dario Saric is better than Bjelica at everything except 3p shooting, so I would not consider him a good replacement.

We need to be careful about signing old role players. You know how that worked in the recent past with Ariza, Dudley, Chandler...I would stay away.

[Qwigglez]

I mentioned it in my last post a few pages back but what do you guys think of a trade that involves Oubre and the 10th pick for Olynyk and Duncan Robinson?
I don't believe we are going to keep Baynes around, he has missed a handful of games due to injury the last two seasons, and will likely see an offer from a team that the Suns front office simply won't make. His age and injury risk makes me believe Sarver won't be willing to bring him back unless we are getting an extremely good deal. Olynyk on the other hand, is entering his prime, and is mostly durable. He has seen his role in Miami getting smaller (though not by much).
I'm not sure what the perceived value is on Duncan Robinson, I'd assume it's either right on par with that of Oubre, or could be even higher since he hits 3's at such a high clip. If his value is significantly lower than Oubre's then we can avoid trading the 10th pick, I just wasn't sure if it was fair value or not. Robinson will be a RFA next off-season.

Here's what the roster could look like...
Rubio / Payne
Booker / Carter
Bridges / Robinson
Cam / Saric
Ayton / Olynyk


*never mind I don't see the Heat doing it. Duncan Robinson cap hold is so insignificant they would be able to get a premier free agent and then sign Duncan Robinson as well.

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When did we have seth curry??

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When did we have seth curry??

Summer league. Two straight summers, I believe.

[bigfoot]

It's interesting that we haven't hit on a summer-invite contract, G-League, or two-way player yet that has stuck for us. For example, Miami with Nunn and Robinson is pretty amazing. We've let a few slip through our fingers including Curry and House.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Dario played great in the bubble and i like the guy but i think the brakes need to be pumped. I'd extend him the QO and see what the market thinks he's worth. I'd match a 4/32 type offer but no way would i pay him $13M/yr like Marks suggested. He's being signed to be a backup 4 that can moonlight as a backup 5.

It only takes one team to overpay a guy but man I find it hard to believe anyone gives Dario $13 per year. He feels like an MLE type and that's a price I'd be fine matching.

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[bigfoot]

Dario played great in the bubble and i like the guy but i think the brakes need to be pumped. I'd extend him the QO and see what the market thinks he's worth. I'd match a 4/32 type offer but no way would i pay him $13M/yr like Marks suggested. He's being signed to be a backup 4 that can moonlight as a backup 5.

It only takes one team to overpay a guy but man I find it hard to believe anyone gives Dario $13 per year. He feels like an MLE type and that's a price I'd be fine matching.

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As typical with most RFAs, I don't think other teams are going to tie-up salary for two-days during the free agency moratorium waiting for the Suns to match/decline the offer sheet. Honestly, most teams are going to be positioning for next years FA class too ... meaning they will want to offer 1-year contracts or at very least a reasonable contract that doesn't eat up too much space. Fortunately, RFAs have to be offered at least a 2-year contract (no options). That going to eliminate quite a few teams in itself.

I really believe we are looking at an Oubre type of scenario where Saric doesn't get an offer and his agent and Suns have to negotiate a fair deal. For his career, he is a 25 minute per game player. Not an elite player but a serviceable starter and a very good bench player. We need these types of players on the team. Not every position is going to be filled with elite talent. I think the Suns will offer something close to a 3 year $25M contract but would be willing to match an offer sheet from a team using their MLE.

[Moneyballer]

As someone that wanted us to draft Ayton, I'm really starting to hate the pick. This isn't because of the success of Luka or the suspension or the missed COVID test - It's his real lack of fire to come back from all of that and prove himself.

All of this talk from him that he wants to be great and be a winner and he seemed like the weakest link in our lineup after the restart.

We still average like 3-4 TOs trying to get the ball into the post - all because Ayton still can't get good positioning or because he's still fumbling easy passes. Even when he's close enough to score, it's infuriating to see him do short shots or lay ins rather than just dunking the ball every time. He's becoming to reliant on his midrange game and now trying to expand to the 3pt line.

During the bubble, we saw a Philly team of backup wings attack the rim where Ayton was constantly out of position - Baynes would still stay somewhat close to the rim while still being able to help. Even when I pay attention to him when we're at the free throw line - he doesn't even try to get position for the offensive rebound. I watched a slower, bigger Embiid last night lunge at a pass just to try to get the steal. I really don't see that hustle effort from Ayton.

If he wasn't supposed to be such an important building block for our future, maybe I wouldn't mind so much but right now, I can't imagine us giving him a max contract one day.

I know that maybe this is nitpicking. I hope that if he stays he can overcome this, but I just think anyone looking at his numbers have overlooked how subpar his play really is. He just really seems lazy out there. The dropoff between Ayton and Kaminsky is huge but I honestly didn't miss Ayton when Baynes played.

I hope we do go after Beal. I hope that the deal would be something like Ayton and Rubio and filler for Beal and Bryant. I'd rather start over at center trying to develop Bryant at $8mil a year than to give Ayton the max. Beal and Booker could even attract one of the top big men like Anthony Davis or even Giannis when 2021 free agency comes.

[Fo-Real]

It's interesting that we haven't hit on a summer-invite contract, G-League, or two-way player yet that has stuck for us. For example, Miami with Nunn and Robinson is pretty amazing. We've let a few slip through our fingers including Curry and House.

And Christian Wood, Garrett Temple......traded for Mike Scott only to cut him!!

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

It's interesting that we haven't hit on a summer-invite contract, G-League, or two-way player yet that has stuck for us. For example, Miami with Nunn and Robinson is pretty amazing. We've let a few slip through our fingers including Curry and House.

And Christian Wood, Garrett Temple......traded for Mike Scott only to cut him!!

Christian Wood wasn't there yet when we had him. Temple was still improving. Scott looked bad here.

Seth Curry was the best player on our SL team, though. Thought the reason we didn't pick him up was that all he could do was launch shots (though unlike BK, he actually hit them). But then the next year we picked up Mike James, who was the same only way, only worse. IIRC, Curry wanted a guaranteed contract, which we refused to give him.

I was saltier about losing DJJ and, to a lesser extent, House. Still think Big Sauce is an NBA player, too. My guess is weight/injuries are what keeps him off an NBA roster. In the leadup to the 2017 draft, I was under the impression that Jones was a better prospect than Josh Jackson, before changing my tune right at the end. DJJ is/was younger than Jackson, after all, and who could argue he is/was not more athletic?

I have much more faith in this FO than the previous administration.

[BobbieL]

Dario played great in the bubble and i like the guy but i think the brakes need to be pumped. I'd extend him the QO and see what the market thinks he's worth. I'd match a 4/32 type offer but no way would i pay him $13M/yr like Marks suggested. He's being signed to be a backup 4 that can moonlight as a backup 5.

Just to be clear on the Bobby Marks article - the way I read it is that the Suns would give Saric a 2 year deal worth 25m, year 1 worth 13m but the second year is a team option in case they wanted the cap space they could not pick up the option.

The idea that Saric is overpaid in year 1 but he knows there would be a chance he is released.

[Fo-Real]

It's interesting that we haven't hit on a summer-invite contract, G-League, or two-way player yet that has stuck for us. For example, Miami with Nunn and Robinson is pretty amazing. We've let a few slip through our fingers including Curry and House.

And Christian Wood, Garrett Temple......traded for Mike Scott only to cut him!!

Christian Wood wasn't there yet when we had him. Temple was still improving. Scott looked bad here.

Seth Curry was the best player on our SL team, though. Thought the reason we didn't pick him up was that all he could do was launch shots (though unlike BK, he actually hit them). But then the next year we picked up Mike James, who was the same only way, only worse. IIRC, Curry wanted a guaranteed contract, which we refused to give him.

I was saltier about losing DJJ and, to a lesser extent, House. Still think Big Sauce is an NBA player, too. My guess is weight/injuries are what keeps him off an NBA roster. In the leadup to the 2017 draft, I was under the impression that Jones was a better prospect than Josh Jackson, before changing my tune right at the end. DJJ is/was younger than Jackson, after all, and who could argue he is/was not more athletic?

I have much more faith in this FO than the previous administration.

Scott never suited up.

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we can't even have a week to shine before someone drags us back down through the mud... supposedly this happened 2 years ago but book was involved. not sure if I believe it. this girl is a known liar who makes up **** for clout. I'm sure most of you have seen this floating around on twitter.

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we can't even have a week to shine before someone drags us back down through the mud... supposedly this happened 2 years ago but book was involved. not sure if I believe it. this girl is a known liar who makes up **** for clout. I'm sure most of you have seen this floating around on twitter.

Team building exercises, think of it like TRUST FALLS!!! Close-knit group now boys!!!

[Ghost of Kleine]

I like Bjelica a lot. Especially as a potential Kaminsky replacement. Maybe even Saric replacement if he costs too much to keep.

He is 32 years old and a mediocre defender... that is why the Kings will probably pass on him for $7M.

Dario Saric is better than Bjelica at everything except 3p shooting, so I would not consider him a good replacement.

We need to be careful about signing old role players. You know how that worked in the recent past with Ariza, Dudley, Chandler...I would stay away.

He is older than Saric sure. However, Saric actually IS NOT better than Bjelica in most categories. Bjelica slightly beats him in basically all categories aside from free throws and 2 point FG %.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Dario+%C5%A0ari%C4%87&player_id1_select=Dario+%C5%A0ari%C4%87&player_id1=saricda01&idx=bbr__players&p1yrfrom=2020&player_id2_hint=Nemanja+Bjelica&player_id2_select=Nemanja+Bjelica&player_id2=bjeline01&idx=bbr__players&p2yrfrom=2020

Now, You're right that they're both pretty mediocre defenders, And I do really like Sarics' effort and occasional tenacity. But in all honesty, Saric was brought here to be a floor spacing big for Ayton. That particular purpose that neither he or Kaminsky has been able to consistently provide. Now again, I would be willing to bring Saric back for around 7-8 at the most, But not anything more than that until.......
He actually shows a full season of CONSISTENT PRODUCTION. His 8 games were very encouraging, But overall, an 8 game sample size is not enough to warrant possibly overpaying for him, When over his entire time here, He's still been wildly inconsistent, And hasn't at all been able to space the floor consistently, Which again was the primary reason we brought him here in the first place. And Frank, Whilst streaky at times has shown be nothing more than a veterans minimum level player so far.

So with respect to Bjelica, I'd tender Saric the qualifying offer, Let the market determine his value. AND if he gets anything above 8 million a year, He can walk. And I'd tender that 8 million per offer to Bjelica for a 1-2 yr deal and see what an actual legitimate floor spacing big could do for Ayton and Booker. Kaminsky can walk, And I'd replace him with a high level 3 and D big in the draft that's actually athletic, Can block shots and defend multiple positions for us. Jalen Smith/ Paul Reed/ Precious Achiuwa all come to mind. **IF no one picks up Kaminsky for anything over the veterans minimum, I may be willing to offer him that on a 1 yr deal just for additional depth.

[bigfoot]

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we can't even have a week to shine before someone drags us back down through the mud... supposedly this happened 2 years ago but book was involved. not sure if I believe it. this girl is a known liar who makes up **** for clout. I'm sure most of you have seen this floating around on twitter.

Team building exercises, think of it like TRUST FALLS!!! Close-knit group now boys!!!

So like this happened in May of 2018??? Season finished for the Suns. Ayton, Bridges, and Oubre weren't on the team.

Booker, Jackson, Ulis, Chriss, ?, ?, ?

[Flying Colors]

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we can't even have a week to shine before someone drags us back down through the mud... supposedly this happened 2 years ago but book was involved. not sure if I believe it. this girl is a known liar who makes up **** for clout. I'm sure most of you have seen this floating around on twitter.

Eh, most NBA players are probably up to this kind of stuff, not really that big a deal.