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Re: Injuries: Langford (R.Wrist); Hayward (R.Ankle) 

Post#1121 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:12 pm

Ticket wrote:How about giving Javonte some burn? His defense is pretty solid and he can provide some scoring spark instead of just waiting in the corner for a spot up three (I’m looking at you Semi)


Corner-3s-only guys aren't so bad. But you shouldn't play more than two of them at once. :)
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Re: Injuries: Langford (R.Wrist); Hayward (R.Ankle) 

Post#1122 » by AKFO » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:39 pm

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Ticket wrote:How about giving Javonte some burn? His defense is pretty solid and he can provide some scoring spark instead of just waiting in the corner for a spot up three (I’m looking at you Semi)


Corner-3s-only guys aren't so bad. But you shouldn't play more than two of them at once. :)

Problem with Semi is he has no idea to drive closeouts at least somewhat consistently. I'd rather play Romeo or Javonte who can just drive to the hoop/swing the ball when their shot isn't falling instead of Semi who is a disaster when shots aren't falling. Play Grant to guard bigger guys.
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Re: Injuries: Langford (R.Wrist); Hayward (R.Ankle) 

Post#1123 » by 24istheLAW » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:42 pm

Ticket wrote:How about giving Javonte some burn? His defense is pretty solid and he can provide some scoring spark instead of just waiting in the corner for a spot up three (I’m looking at you Semi)


Semi waiting in the corner is better for the offense than the other team doubling off Javonte because they know they don't have to guard him. Meanwhile, Javonte's best quality is finishing.... and the best ball mover in the starting lineup is the guy he was replacing.
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Re: Injuries: Langford (R.Wrist); Hayward (R.Ankle) 

Post#1124 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:08 pm

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Ticket wrote:How about giving Javonte some burn? His defense is pretty solid and he can provide some scoring spark instead of just waiting in the corner for a spot up three (I’m looking at you Semi)


Corner-3s-only guys aren't so bad. But you shouldn't play more than two of them at once. :)

Problem with Semi is he has no idea to drive closeouts at least somewhat consistently. I'd rather play Romeo or Javonte who can just drive to the hoop/swing the ball when their shot isn't falling instead of Semi who is a disaster when shots aren't falling. Play Grant to guard bigger guys.

As with the case for our backup big, no perfect solution off the bench to replace what Hayward brings. It's gonna be trial-and-error for a while. And I imagine it won't be pretty. Ultimately, our top 4 would have to carry us through the next two rounds.
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Post#1125 » by jirrit » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:09 pm

About the injury prone thing and the 'Hayward max money experiment': we just caught bad luck guys, in every aspect Hayward's tenure with us has been of unlucky events. Is it the karma the Utah-fans screamed over us, after "what we did to IT" etcetera, we'll never know, but it was mostly just bad luck. In game threads people claiming Hayward's not clutch and shooting badly, well over the whole season he was actually very fine and losing him turns us into a non-contender IMO. We had a tiny chance and I really believed in it if all would be clicking but now we need a huge miracle.
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Re: Injuries: Langford (R.Wrist); Hayward (R.Ankle) 

Post#1126 » by 31to6 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:12 pm

Fighting for a rebound against Embiid isn’t a bad way to go out.

Until the ECF.
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Post#1127 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:15 pm

I don't exactly see the Hayward injury as dooming us. Instead, I see it as removing all tolerance for further bad luck.
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Post#1128 » by JHTruth » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:19 pm

jirrit wrote:About the injury prone thing and the 'Hayward max money experiment': we just caught bad luck guys, in every aspect Hayward's tenure with us has been of unlucky events. Is it the karma the Utah-fans screamed over us, after "what we did to IT" etcetera, we'll never know, but it was mostly just bad luck. In game threads people claiming Hayward's not clutch and shooting badly, well over the whole season he was actually very fine and losing him turns us into a non-contender IMO. We had a tiny chance and I really believed in it if all would be clicking but now we need a huge miracle.


At the end of the day I'm not really sure it matters whether or not Hayward has "bad luck" or is "injury prone". What matters is we've paid out a max deal to a guy who has given about half a good season in 3 years. It's time to take a cold, objective look at Gordon and let him go after next year barring some incredible play
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Post#1129 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:26 pm

31to6 wrote:Fighting for a rebound against Embiid isn’t a bad way to go out.

Until the ECF.
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The Hayward we're getting back post-ankle injury isn't aggressive Hayward. I can almost guarantee that. Would rather roll with what we've got now all the way to 18!! CHAMPIONSHIPS, BABY!!
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Post#1130 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:32 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
31to6 wrote:Fighting for a rebound against Embiid isn’t a bad way to go out.

Until the ECF.
Let’s go Nets!! I believe in you!!

The Hayward we're getting back post-ankle injury isn't aggressive Hayward. I can almost guarantee that. Would rather roll with what we've got now all the way to 18!! CHAMPIONSHIPS, BABY!!


Actually, I don't think he'll play again until he's ready to play the right way.

If I'm correct, that just further decreases the likelihood he'll play again this postseason.
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Post#1131 » by Joshyjess » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:33 pm

For the rest of this series, Brad should start Kanter and Theis, and let them double the crap out of Embiid. Wear him out as fast as you can. Then let Robert Williams be the big when Embiid sits down.
I really don't think we need to worry about scoring even without Hayward. The Jays are stepping up their games to the point where I think we can focus on stopping Embiid and let the Jays and Kemba do most of our scoring.
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Post#1132 » by CSL_1904 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:40 pm

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Post#1133 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:43 pm

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31to6 wrote:Fighting for a rebound against Embiid isn’t a bad way to go out.

Until the ECF.
Let’s go Nets!! I believe in you!!

The Hayward we're getting back post-ankle injury isn't aggressive Hayward. I can almost guarantee that. Would rather roll with what we've got now all the way to 18!! CHAMPIONSHIPS, BABY!!


Actually, I don't think he'll play again until he's ready to play the right way.

If I'm correct, that just further decreases the likelihood he'll play again this postseason.

We had him all of last season, but he was only "right" in the 2nd half of the season. We didn't get Semi-Aggressive Hayward until after ASB. Remember all the complaints about playing him too much and even starting him to begin the season?

I don't expect him coming back this season.
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Post#1134 » by bucknersrevenge » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:45 pm

We can talk about getting more help from the rooks in the wake of Hayward's loss but in reality, the pickup really has to come from Walker. He has the talent and the capability. He's supposedly healthy. Time to strap up now that you're here in the playoffs. Be aggressive.
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Post#1135 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:58 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:We can talk about getting more help from the rooks in the wake of Hayward's loss but in reality, the pickup really has to come from Walker. He has the talent and the capability. He's supposedly healthy. Time to strap up now that you're here in the playoffs. Be aggressive.

Kemba and Smart, for better or worse. Marcus has toned down looking for his own shots during the restart. Mostly satisfied setting people up and running the offense. I think we'll see an uptick in his field goal attempts with Hayward sidelined.

His best scoring games came when we were missing a top guy or two:
PHO, 37 pts, no Kemba/Jaylen
LAC, 31 pts, no Jaylen
UTA, 29 pts, no Gordon/Jaylen
HOU, 26 pts, no Kemba
MIL, 24 pts, no Jaylen
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Post#1136 » by PierceFan4ever » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:11 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:We can talk about getting more help from the rooks in the wake of Hayward's loss but in reality, the pickup really has to come from Walker. He has the talent and the capability. He's supposedly healthy. Time to strap up now that you're here in the playoffs. Be aggressive.


This. We need all star Kemba moving forward. We’ve been hyped over what Tatum and Brown have done but Kemba has been in multiple all stars and we shouldn’t just give a pass if he has a average game just because of what our young guys have been doing. He and Smart need to be better without Hayward.
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Post#1137 » by jirrit » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:12 pm

JHTruth wrote:
jirrit wrote:About the injury prone thing and the 'Hayward max money experiment': we just caught bad luck guys, in every aspect Hayward's tenure with us has been of unlucky events. Is it the karma the Utah-fans screamed over us, after "what we did to IT" etcetera, we'll never know, but it was mostly just bad luck. In game threads people claiming Hayward's not clutch and shooting badly, well over the whole season he was actually very fine and losing him turns us into a non-contender IMO. We had a tiny chance and I really believed in it if all would be clicking but now we need a huge miracle.


At the end of the day I'm not really sure it matters whether or not Hayward has "bad luck" or is "injury prone". What matters is we've paid out a max deal to a guy who has given about half a good season in 3 years. It's time to take a cold, objective look at Gordon and let him go after next year barring some incredible play


It’s still more than a season before we get to make that decision. I’ve not seen many bad contracts handed out by Ainge so I’m pretty confident we won’t be doing any crazy stuff.
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Post#1138 » by jirrit » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:14 pm

Joshyjess wrote:For the rest of this series, Brad should start Kanter and Theis, and let them double the crap out of Embiid. Wear him out as fast as you can. Then let Robert Williams be the big when Embiid sits down.
I really don't think we need to worry about scoring even without Hayward. The Jays are stepping up their games to the point where I think we can focus on stopping Embiid and let the Jays and Kemba do most of our scoring.


Start Kanter and Theis?
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Post#1139 » by Bleeding Green » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:19 pm

jirrit wrote:
Joshyjess wrote:For the rest of this series, Brad should start Kanter and Theis, and let them double the crap out of Embiid. Wear him out as fast as you can. Then let Robert Williams be the big when Embiid sits down.
I really don't think we need to worry about scoring even without Hayward. The Jays are stepping up their games to the point where I think we can focus on stopping Embiid and let the Jays and Kemba do most of our scoring.


Start Kanter and Theis?

Yeah, go big to negate the speed advantage the Celtics have. Big brain stuff.
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Post#1140 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:21 pm

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