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RCM88x wrote:dreamshake wrote:RCM88x wrote:
Gary Trent is 6'5
So what, cut him some slack. He's off by 3 inches. 3 inches is a tiny amount. LeBron is still an entire (checks notes) 3 inches taller than Gary Trent!!
I'm just pointing out that he was incorrect with regards to Gary Trent's height.
Considering that was the entire point of the post I don't think slack should be cut.
Basileus777 wrote:Joey Wheeler wrote:Jurassic_Park wrote:
Nice prediction.... any others you got for us???
So it'll be 5 games instead of 4, are you really that happy that I got my prediction wrong? It was a freak game where the Lakers shot 16% from 3 and both Lebron and AD had off nights, still could have won it.Basileus777 wrote:He'll disappear for a couple of days. He was just crowing earlier how one game suggests that Giannis isn't a top 2 player.
Wrong on both counts. First one you had a relative chance of success, I'm not a very active poster, average 2 posts per day and go without posting or even checking the forums for several days/weeks at a time, so it was conceivable I'd indeed "disappear". Second one is just complete and dishonest nonsense, I've advocated that position on this forum a myriad of times for the past 2 years, it has nothing to do with one game.
Yet you used one game to post your hyper-reaction just like all the people on the internet with their own silly preconceptions saying LeBron is washed because he couldn't take Gary Trent off the dribble or such.
yoyoboy wrote:The league is transitioning to the point where you seem to need a couple guys who can just dribble around a screen 4-5 feet behind the top of the three point line and immediately pull up and shoot that shot with confidence as soon as they get daylight. It creates so much havoc for defenses. Golden State has Klay and Steph. Portland has Lillard and McCollum. Toronto has Lowry and VanVleet. Boston has Kemba and Tatum. LAC has Kawhi, George, and Lou Will. The list goes on.
Do the Lakers even have a single guy you would call “average” at creating and making an off the dribble/out of the PnR three? They’re bricking wide open corner threes right now but on the other end dealing with dudes who are threats to pull up as soon as they take 2 steps past half court.
lessthanjake wrote:Kyrie was extremely impactful without LeBron, and basically had zero impact whatsoever if LeBron was on the court.
lessthanjake wrote: By playing in a way that prevents Kyrie from getting much impact, LeBron ensures that controlling for Kyrie has limited effect…
nzahir wrote:This summer it looks like we will have to make a big splash:
Cp3 deal lining up. Green, KCP, Cook, Rondo, Avery, and Mcgee.
Greyhound wrote:LeBron needs to utilize a midrange game if the Blazers are going to defend him with Trent.
LeBron kept getting the ball at the free throw line extended against Trent. He forced passes and kept driving into the shot blockers. This LeBron is all pass, long ball or drive. You need a reliable mid range game in the playoffs, particularly when you are not surrounded with shooting.
Miami LeBron would have inside pivoted, jab stepped and shot right over Trent. He might need to rediscover that, along with his floater.
SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:I don’t think LeBron was as good a point guard as Mo Williams for the point guard play not counting the scoring threat. In other words in a non shooting Rondo like role Mo Williams would be better than LeBron.
homecourtloss wrote:Bron in the 9 minutes without AD: 122.2 ORtg, 50 DRtg, +72 NET per 100 possessions, +13 raw +/-
LeBron + AD: 89.7 ORtg, 108.5 DRtg, -18.7 per 100 possessions, -16 raw +/-
thebigbird wrote:If the Lakers lose this series the worst part will be the Laker trolls who have never liked lebron who will say “Kobe would’ve done X!” regardless of the evidence. It’s already starting.
G35 wrote:thebigbird wrote:If the Lakers lose this series the worst part will be the Laker trolls who have never liked lebron who will say “Kobe would’ve done X!” regardless of the evidence. It’s already starting.
Pretty insecure about that legacy huh...shoulda stayed in the East.....
dreamshake wrote:nzahir wrote:This summer it looks like we will have to make a big splash:
Cp3 deal lining up. Green, KCP, Cook, Rondo, Avery, and Mcgee.
Sky is falling after losing game 1 of round 1 haha
And I'll take my chances with Danny Green's shooting at $15M over CP3 making it through an entire postseason for the first time at age 35 and 36 for $42M and $44M. Tying up the last few years of good LeBron on old man CP3 taking up almost half the salary cap is the last thing he needs.
Baski wrote:I feel like games like this from Davis never get discussed beyond 1 hour after they're over.
There's always some widespread confusion about why Davis isn't seen as a BITW contender (this season it's absolute flabbergastedness that anyone would even dare to think Lebron is the better player)
It's always like "why the **** is Davis being so underrated? He clearly belongs in the conversation with [insert Top 5 players] The disrespect ugh"
It's not as bad here though I believe he gets overrated here as well. Games like this just seem to disappear from public consciousness until next time when some casual lol addresses it. But let him have a 40 pt game and it's "Wow this guy is the MVP he can do everything.
I remember there was poster calling Davis a better playmaker than KD.
GSP wrote:Baski wrote:I feel like games like this from Davis never get discussed beyond 1 hour after they're over.
There's always some widespread confusion about why Davis isn't seen as a BITW contender (this season it's absolute flabbergastedness that anyone would even dare to think Lebron is the better player)
It's always like "why the **** is Davis being so underrated? He clearly belongs in the conversation with [insert Top 5 players] The disrespect ugh"
It's not as bad here though I believe he gets overrated here as well. Games like this just seem to disappear from public consciousness until next time when some casual lol addresses it. But let him have a 40 pt game and it's "Wow this guy is the MVP he can do everything.
I remember there was poster calling Davis a better playmaker than KD.
Ad just cant carry a team on either end. Hes a Goat level #2 tho but hes not on the same level as the top tiers and i think Dame has proven this season hes on that level and clearly better than Ad
Hes maybe the Goat offball big but he struggles onball, initiating offense, not a strong passer and isnt a strong enough shooter to be as dangerous on iso/postups not that hes bad at them but hes much more comfortable playing pickandroll/pop
He can be a great defender on a top defense with multiple strong perimeter defenders and bigs but i dont think he can really anchor a top defense by himself with just average or even slightly above average support
Baski wrote:GSP wrote:Baski wrote:I feel like games like this from Davis never get discussed beyond 1 hour after they're over.
There's always some widespread confusion about why Davis isn't seen as a BITW contender (this season it's absolute flabbergastedness that anyone would even dare to think Lebron is the better player)
It's always like "why the **** is Davis being so underrated? He clearly belongs in the conversation with [insert Top 5 players] The disrespect ugh"
It's not as bad here though I believe he gets overrated here as well. Games like this just seem to disappear from public consciousness until next time when some casual lol addresses it. But let him have a 40 pt game and it's "Wow this guy is the MVP he can do everything.
I remember there was poster calling Davis a better playmaker than KD.
Ad just cant carry a team on either end. Hes a Goat level #2 tho but hes not on the same level as the top tiers and i think Dame has proven this season hes on that level and clearly better than Ad
Hes maybe the Goat offball big but he struggles onball, initiating offense, not a strong passer and isnt a strong enough shooter to be as dangerous on iso/postups not that hes bad at them but hes much more comfortable playing pickandroll/pop
He can be a great defender on a top defense with multiple strong perimeter defenders and bigs but i dont think he can really anchor a top defense by himself with just average or even slightly above average support
I also think Dame is a clearly better player than Davis, and he was since like 2018.
I think calling him the GOAT offball big is just one of those invented things you create to give a player props. You just highlight his on-ball weakness when you say that. Every big who is better than him overall is way better on-ball, and I reckon a few of them would be just as good or better if you ask them to focus solely on his "strengths" and stop doing what makes them better.
I dunno what it is about his defense but yeah he definitely isn't an anchor even though he's good defensively. Effort comes and goes maybe. Could it be a positional thing? I dunno. But you'll see no shortage of calls for DPOY that's for sure.
SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:I don’t think LeBron was as good a point guard as Mo Williams for the point guard play not counting the scoring threat. In other words in a non shooting Rondo like role Mo Williams would be better than LeBron.
tone wone wrote:As someone who considers on-ball creation the most valuable skill a player can have; I understand the thought but I can't get behind Dame being CLEARLY better than Davis. Offensively? Sure. But overall? I can't go that far.
Look, I get it. The Lakers are a painfully mediocre halfcourt team and AD's passing limitations play a role but he's still a top 3 offensive big (Jokic & KAT). The guards on this team cant dribble! The Bucks have more perimeter creation than the Lakers do. This offensive setup was ALWAYS a fragile one...winning a title with just a single pick n roll ballhandler has only happened once this decade...2015 Warriors. And that team initiated offense from a bunch of spots. The Lakers run everything through a 35 year old wing....that's nuts!
Go through history and find the wings who've had the kind of on-ball creation responiblity LeBron has this season. 2013 Kobe is the closet and that was done out of desperation to save an injury riddled season. LA went in to this season with "LeBron makes ALL the decisions" purposely.