Build a Franchise Season 4 Offseason

[Context]

Wow what a game!!! Impressive win by Cavs.

End of 4th Qtr:
CLE 132 IND 127

We gonna put up the box score

That game was crazy!! So proud of my team. I got nervous when Luka was going crazy in the clutch. Props to KOC for building such a great team too.

And yo, Bender had 4 blocks on his own team

I told you your time was here Mel!

get these **** Mel!

[NewEra]

If this is what we’re gonna see from the Cavs and Pacers for years to come we’re in for a treat!!! Great job by both GMs. That game was very entertaining!

[3toheadmelo]

Wow what a game!!! Impressive win by Cavs.

End of 4th Qtr:
CLE 132 IND 127

We gonna put up the box score

That game was crazy!! So proud of my team. I got nervous when Luka was going crazy in the clutch. Props to KOC for building such a great team too.

And yo, Bender had 4 blocks on his own team

That missed free throw by LaVine at the end got me hyped. I wanted overtime!!!

Bruh when he missed that free throw I was like


Deadass felt like game 7 of the playoffs!

[El Poochio]

Would have been nice to watch offline if it saved the record

[NewEra]

Would have been nice to watch offline if it saved the record

This was a great idea you had man. Props. I have to learn the record feature for next time. It was our first time running it. My son literally got up this morning, created the teams, and I made a twitch account same time lol. This was fun.

[NewEra]

I may run another one at 4pm if y’all are gonna watch. Gotta be with teams that are mostly established already though. Who do y’all wanna see?

A. Bulls vs Nets? (Good old Swiss-Mecca rilvary)
B. Mavs vs Clippers? (cap been talking smack lol)
C. Other?

Open to suggestions

[Capn'O]

I may run another one at 4pm if y’all are gonna watch. Gotta be with teams that are mostly established already though. Who do y’all wanna see?

A. Bulls vs Nets? (Good old Swiss-Mecca rilvary)
B. Mavs vs Clippers? (cap been talking smack lol)
C. Other?

Open to suggestions

Bring it

[El Poochio]

Would have been nice to watch offline if it saved the record

This was a great idea you had man. Props. I have to learn the record feature for next time. It was our first time running it. My son literally got up this morning, created the teams, and I made a twitch account same time lol. This was fun.

Check out the capture gallery entire game could be there I would be more interested to watch it than this Jazz v Nuggets game cant believe I missed it lol

[2010]

I think people are being a bit harsh on Robin. Like, look at some of the deals I made as a rookie GM, they were pretty bad

I can kind of understand what he's going for if you look at it from the perspective of someone who's only on RGM for BaF, and not a frequent poster. Dude just wants his team to be as good as possible, and doesn't want to tank because of the commitment to the game that requires. He's more of a casual player, where we're a bunch of hardcore guys who are on every day scrutinizing every move, which would explain the pms being left for months, because he likely only logs in that often. To be fair, you can say that's not good team building, cause it's pretty much what the Knicks have done for decades, but it's not egregiously bad to the point where calling him a burner is warranted, especially because, as Cap pointed out, he's someone SOUL knows in real life, so that likely means accusing SOUL of being in on it

Now, if you want to argue that someone with that level of commitment shouldn't be in the game, that's a different argument and one you could make the case for, but I think some people are going overboard with the accusations.

Well there. A rookie GM with only casual interest, a limited amount of time due to running a business, and a preference to only responding to select individuals (and no participation in the discussion thread) shouldn't be in the game.

It compromises the integrity of our competition. If there is that much of a lack of interaction and understanding of the nature of the SIM and team building, then how can we ensure deals aren't one-sided? How can we ensure good faith? How can we get a grasp of the GMs vision and make offers that fit his direction. How can we even get a response?

This is not a veteran who has BAT/BaF equity and has earned the benefit of the doubt.

I think we all could say if during the vetting process, this was understood in how the Wizards would have been ran, we'd have had reservations.

[El Poochio]

I may run another one at 4pm if y’all are gonna watch. Gotta be with teams that are mostly established already though. Who do y’all wanna see?

A. Bulls vs Nets? (Good old Swiss-Mecca rilvary)
B. Mavs vs Clippers? (cap been talking smack lol)
C. Other?

Open to suggestions

Hoffa v Mecca %10000

[2010]

Now, if you want to argue that someone with that level of commitment shouldn't be in the game, that's a different argument and one you could make the case for, but I think some people are going overboard with the accusations.

Also he’s far from the only GM that doesn’t post in the discussion thread.

He’s also far from the only GM who reads PMs and doesn’t respond.

The GMs who run their teams that way are veterans. Their commitment is not in question.

You were new. You don't run your team that way. Depalma2002 is new. He is very responsive. SOUL was new. He leaves people on read but he is interactive in the discussion thread and at least checks the PM even if he doesn't respond. We all know he is alive and an actual human.

So whichever GMs you are alluding to have earned their stripes to GM that way.

[El Poochio]

Dont really want to watch Brooklyn actually watching Sixers is enough pain

Sixers v Hornets could be fun

[El Poochio]

I may run another one at 4pm if y’all are gonna watch. Gotta be with teams that are mostly established already though. Who do y’all wanna see?

A. Bulls vs Nets? (Good old Swiss-Mecca rilvary)
B. Mavs vs Clippers? (cap been talking smack lol)
C. Other?

Open to suggestions

You can do last seasons WCF GSW v Mavs with last years rosters you must know the rotations by heart lol

[NewEra]

Would have been nice to watch offline if it saved the record

So I checked everywhere. It didn’t save, but I’ll be able to stream via YouTube starting tomorrow. So we’ll be able to go back and watch future games.

[bringbackhoffa]

Still dont think GSW end up with Booker, NYK have to much cap-space and not many roster slots to fill, but my dreams of getting all 3 of Sabonis, LMA, and Lou are down the drain, i will have to settle for 2 of the 3..

[DOT]

I think people are being a bit harsh on Robin. Like, look at some of the deals I made as a rookie GM, they were pretty bad

I can kind of understand what he's going for if you look at it from the perspective of someone who's only on RGM for BaF, and not a frequent poster. Dude just wants his team to be as good as possible, and doesn't want to tank because of the commitment to the game that requires. He's more of a casual player, where we're a bunch of hardcore guys who are on every day scrutinizing every move, which would explain the pms being left for months, because he likely only logs in that often. To be fair, you can say that's not good team building, cause it's pretty much what the Knicks have done for decades, but it's not egregiously bad to the point where calling him a burner is warranted, especially because, as Cap pointed out, he's someone SOUL knows in real life, so that likely means accusing SOUL of being in on it

Now, if you want to argue that someone with that level of commitment shouldn't be in the game, that's a different argument and one you could make the case for, but I think some people are going overboard with the accusations.

Well there. A rookie GM with only casual interest, a limited amount of time due to running a business, and a preference to only responding to select individuals (and no participation in the discussion thread) shouldn't be in the game.

It compromises the integrity of our competition. If there is that much of a lack of interaction and understanding of the nature of the SIM and team building, then how can we ensure deals aren't one-sided? How can we ensure good faith? How can we get a grasp of the GMs vision and make offers that fit his direction. How can we even get a response?

This is not a veteran who has BAT/BaF equity and has earned the benefit of the doubt.

I think we all could say if during the vetting process, this was understood in how the Wizards would have been ran, we'd have had reservations.

I think that's fair

I do agree that having a GM who's only casual hurts the overall experience of the game, but I don't agree with people calling him a burner account and saying he's making bad deals on purpose to sabotage his team etc

Real NBA deals with bad GMs and owners all the time. I wouldn't object if bish wants to kick him out, but I think that's a decision for him to make, not us.

[bringbackhoffa]

The question is can the GM ever be active or does his occupation not allow for time to be dedicated to this game?

[El Poochio]

Would have been nice to watch offline if it saved the record

So I checked everywhere. It didn’t save, but I’ll be able to stream via YouTube starting tomorrow. So we’ll be able to go back and watch future games.

Nice doing God's work

[2010]

I think people are being a bit harsh on Robin. Like, look at some of the deals I made as a rookie GM, they were pretty bad

I can kind of understand what he's going for if you look at it from the perspective of someone who's only on RGM for BaF, and not a frequent poster. Dude just wants his team to be as good as possible, and doesn't want to tank because of the commitment to the game that requires. He's more of a casual player, where we're a bunch of hardcore guys who are on every day scrutinizing every move, which would explain the pms being left for months, because he likely only logs in that often. To be fair, you can say that's not good team building, cause it's pretty much what the Knicks have done for decades, but it's not egregiously bad to the point where calling him a burner is warranted, especially because, as Cap pointed out, he's someone SOUL knows in real life, so that likely means accusing SOUL of being in on it

Now, if you want to argue that someone with that level of commitment shouldn't be in the game, that's a different argument and one you could make the case for, but I think some people are going overboard with the accusations.

Well there. A rookie GM with only casual interest, a limited amount of time due to running a business, and a preference to only responding to select individuals (and no participation in the discussion thread) shouldn't be in the game.

It compromises the integrity of our competition. If there is that much of a lack of interaction and understanding of the nature of the SIM and team building, then how can we ensure deals aren't one-sided? How can we ensure good faith? How can we get a grasp of the GMs vision and make offers that fit his direction. How can we even get a response?

This is not a veteran who has BAT/BaF equity and has earned the benefit of the doubt.

I think we all could say if during the vetting process, this was understood in how the Wizards would have been ran, we'd have had reservations.

I think that's fair

I do agree that having a GM who's only casual hurts the overall experience of the game, but I don't agree with people calling him a burner account and saying he's making bad deals on purpose to sabotage his team etc

Real NBA deals with bad GMs and owners all the time. I wouldn't object if bish wants to kick him out, but I think that's a decision for him to make, not us.

True, it is definitely a decision for bish our commish to make. But it's the duty of the owners to call issues like this to his attention.

[bishnykfan]

Couple things on what’s been happening here the past couple days. And I’m at work so trying to type this up when I get a chance so it’ll probably be disjointed but hopefully my thoughts come out clearly.

First off, I only got to watch the Cav-Indy game for a couple minutes but it definitely looked good. As a guy who grew up in the 80s-90s it’s amazing how realistic the games have gotten. My son tries to get me to play with him but tbh there are to many freaking buttons and controls! I need the old Nintendo or SNES controllers I grew up with. My fingers don’t work that way so playing 2K with my 14 year old is more of a chore then fun. But watching the simulated game was very cool! Thanks to NewEra and his son for putting it together. Whether it was a diversion or not, lol, it was fun to watch the little bit that I saw!

Next, onto Robin and the Wizards. Yes, taking on an inexperienced GM and someone who was so new to the site in general brought me some hesitation. The fact that SOUL vouched for him definitely gave him the credibility in my mind though that he should be allowed to run the team.

I’ve responded to a few PMs already this morning but since this isn’t going to go away I feel like I should comment publicly.

In an ideal world we would have 30 completely active and involved GMs. If you remember back to year one, I actually had GM activity level as one of five criteria’s for free agency. I knew that inactive GMs could be a downfall for this and wanted to give some reward for the people that put their time into it. But at the time, people were very against that going towards free agency and that metric was taken out of the game. Since that time, we have had a variety of activity levels from the various GMs that have been involved. Doing this off the top of my head but I believe we still have 19 of our original 30 GMs from year one. Most of those 19 are very active with a few exceptions. I feel that almost all of the 11 replacement GMs that have been brought in have been extremely active and have raised the level of competition in the league.

Saying all of that, we currently have no requirement for activity. Some people simply can’t put in the time that others can. As it is now we have about 10-15 extremely active GMs. And then another group that stay involved but are a step below those top GMs. And then a small handful of GMs that are not active at all. As great as it would be if all 30 GMs were as active as that top group, I don’t see it as realistic the way things are set up now. Robin checked in when he needed to. He’s made a couple of trades this offseason so he has actually been more active than a few others. I’m just not sure how you can make people become more invested in this if it’s supposed to be for fun considering people live different lifestyles.

As far as the trades he’s made: I generally don’t like to comment on trades since each GM has their own vision. I’ve thought many GMs have made questionable moves over the years. In 3+ years we’ve had one trade rejected though that I can think of. That was a much different circumstance and had nothing to do with the merits of the actual deal. That trade was done by a GM who traded their best player and then immediately informed me that they were out of the league. This maybe a bad trade when you put it all together with the other moves that Robin has made. But it’s his team as long as he is playing. If you consider it a badly run team, then that is your opinion. I won’t agree or disagree but considering most of us are NY fans, we know that the actual league has poorly run franchises.

The bigger problem IMO is GM activity level. Like I said, it would be great to get all 30 GMs completely invested in this game. I just am not sure how to do it as is.