Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason!

[falcindor]

I just published my plan of the offseason. The plan is to make the playoffs while developing for the future.

https://theknickoftimeshow.com/knicks-offseason-moves-at-a-glance-mock-1-0/

[dakomish23]

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There’s a simple answer to remedy that

[RHODEY]

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There’s a simple answer to remedy that

Draft Anthony Edwards

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Fred VanVleet is the perfect PG for us, he can play on or off the ball and has been in a system with multiple ball handlers, he could fit next to RJ and whoever we draft. He's literally Lowry 2.0, watching him now and he can switch onto players much larger than himself just like Kyle.

[newyorker4ever]

So it's mutually agreed. Top targets this offseason are FVV and Joe Harris. Right?

No thank you on FVV but hellz yes on J.Harris. I'd rather just draft our PG and maybe bring in a DJ Augustine or a Jeff Teague on a 1 year deal.

J.Harris is my top target if we can't find a way to get B.Ingram from the Pels whether it be just offering him a max deal, which won't happen cause they would just match it, or figure out a sign and trade with the Pels.

Also want to bring in a 4 man that can shoot the rock like J.Grant, D.Bertans, Mook or trade for L.Markkanen or M.Turner.

[ny-n-md]

If the Lakers lose in the first round to POR, does AD resign there with an aging LeBron and a bunch of scrubs? I know it’s a pipe dream but it could be possible with this new FO and developmental coaching staff. AD needs to be respected on a big stage and NY offers this in spades. If they lose, he’ll shoulder a lot of the blame and may need a fresh start.

[newyorker4ever]

My new crazy idea. Not sure if this should go here or Draft thread so I'm gonna put both. Here's how we become Golden State-lite

Trade Randle and RJ to Kings for Hield and their pick

Draft Deni with our pick
Draft Tyrell Terry with Kings Pick

Starting 5
Tyrell Terry = Curry Lite
Hield = Klay Lite
Deni = Better version of Harrison Barnes/Wiggins
PF ?
Center Mitch = better version of Mcgee/Bogut

Bench
Frank = Sean Livingston
Iggy/Dotson = Andre Iggy

[NoDopeOnSundays]

So it's mutually agreed. Top targets this offseason are FVV and Joe Harris. Right?

No thank you on FVV but hellz yes on J.Harris. I'd rather just draft our PG and maybe bring in a DJ Augustine or a Jeff Teague on a 1 year deal.

FVV can function with multiple ball handlers, why would you want some backup PG's who wont help us when we have a chance to get one of the best two way PGs in the league. He doesn't stop you from drafting a PG, and he adds another creator to the mix that can play on or off the ball.

[frothbrain]

So it's mutually agreed. Top targets this offseason are FVV and Joe Harris. Right?

No thank you on FVV but hellz yes on J.Harris. I'd rather just draft our PG and maybe bring in a DJ Augustine or a Jeff Teague on a 1 year deal.

FVV can function with multiple ball handlers, why would you want some backup PG's who wont help us when we have a chance to get one of the best two way PGs in the league. He doesn't stop you from drafting a PG, and he adds another creator to the mix that can play on or off the ball.

Because maxing a guy like FVV when you have nothing else is how a team remains irrelevant.
Makes sense for Toronto to do so because they are over the cap regardless.

[newyorker4ever]

So it's mutually agreed. Top targets this offseason are FVV and Joe Harris. Right?

No thank you on FVV but hellz yes on J.Harris. I'd rather just draft our PG and maybe bring in a DJ Augustine or a Jeff Teague on a 1 year deal.

FVV can function with multiple ball handlers, why would you want some backup PG's who wont help us when we have a chance to get one of the best two way PGs in the league. He doesn't stop you from drafting a PG, and he adds another creator to the mix that can play on or off the ball.

I like his 3 point shooting and defense but he's not good once inside the 3 point line. He's not a great pick and roll PG and he's not great finishing around the basket or shooting inside the 3 point line. I like him but don't love him enough to give him the bag and would rather just draft our PG and would probably even draft 2 PG's if we keep all 3 picks.

[newyorker4ever]

No thank you on FVV but hellz yes on J.Harris. I'd rather just draft our PG and maybe bring in a DJ Augustine or a Jeff Teague on a 1 year deal.

FVV can function with multiple ball handlers, why would you want some backup PG's who wont help us when we have a chance to get one of the best two way PGs in the league. He doesn't stop you from drafting a PG, and he adds another creator to the mix that can play on or off the ball.

Because maxing a guy like FVV when you have nothing else is how a team remains irrelevant.
Makes sense for Toronto to do so because they are over the cap regardless.

They have a lot of money coming off the books with M.Gasol and S.Ibaka so they might just bring FVV back.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

No thank you on FVV but hellz yes on J.Harris. I'd rather just draft our PG and maybe bring in a DJ Augustine or a Jeff Teague on a 1 year deal.

FVV can function with multiple ball handlers, why would you want some backup PG's who wont help us when we have a chance to get one of the best two way PGs in the league. He doesn't stop you from drafting a PG, and he adds another creator to the mix that can play on or off the ball.

Because maxing a guy like FVV when you have nothing else is how a team remains irrelevant.
Makes sense for Toronto to do so because they are over the cap regardless.

Disagree, this is a move like the Celtics signing Horford and even Hayward, you're getting a professional to play with and help your young guys while still rebuilding. Was Horford a max player when they signed him? Nope, but it laid the foundation and culture for what they wanted moving forward, and paying the premium for that is worth it.

We will have RJ, a rookie and a bunch of young players who don't know the first thing about winning, whatever PG we draft will be years away from being a quality player, almost all of these "PGs" in the draft are really combo guards with Haliburton being the only who can run a team right now.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

No thank you on FVV but hellz yes on J.Harris. I'd rather just draft our PG and maybe bring in a DJ Augustine or a Jeff Teague on a 1 year deal.

FVV can function with multiple ball handlers, why would you want some backup PG's who wont help us when we have a chance to get one of the best two way PGs in the league. He doesn't stop you from drafting a PG, and he adds another creator to the mix that can play on or off the ball.

I like his 3 point shooting and defense but he's not good once inside the 3 point line. He's not a great pick and roll PG and he's not great finishing around the basket or shooting inside the 3 point line. I like him but don't love him enough to give him the bag and would rather just draft our PG and would probably even draft 2 PG's if we keep all 3 picks.

The Raptors don't play PnR basketball like that, who is he supposed to run that action with, Marc Gasol? You just said he's a good 3 point shooter and defender, I will happily take that at one of the off guard positions if we're building around the idea that RJ + whoever we draft are the wing combo.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

FVV can function with multiple ball handlers, why would you want some backup PG's who wont help us when we have a chance to get one of the best two way PGs in the league. He doesn't stop you from drafting a PG, and he adds another creator to the mix that can play on or off the ball.

Because maxing a guy like FVV when you have nothing else is how a team remains irrelevant.
Makes sense for Toronto to do so because they are over the cap regardless.

They have a lot of money coming off the books with M.Gasol and S.Ibaka so they might just bring FVV back.

They have money coming off however they want to preserve space for Giannis, so poison pill.


Going after FVV is a smart move with an eye to the future, which is why we wont do it. We'll draft someone, wonder why they're horrible as a rookie, panic and then trade all our young players for some borderline washed star like Oladipo.

[newyorker4ever]

FVV can function with multiple ball handlers, why would you want some backup PG's who wont help us when we have a chance to get one of the best two way PGs in the league. He doesn't stop you from drafting a PG, and he adds another creator to the mix that can play on or off the ball.

Because maxing a guy like FVV when you have nothing else is how a team remains irrelevant.
Makes sense for Toronto to do so because they are over the cap regardless.

Disagree, this is a move like the Celtics signing Horford and even Hayward, you're getting a professional to play with and help your young guys while still rebuilding. Was Horford a max player when they signed him? Nope, but it laid the foundation and culture for what they wanted moving forward, and paying the premium for that is worth it.

We will have RJ, a rookie and a bunch of young players who don't know the first thing about winning, whatever PG we draft will be years away from being a quality player, almost all of these "PGs" in the draft are really combo guards with Haliburton being the only who can run a team right now.

This would be a move nothing like the Celtics signings of Heyward or Horford. They had much more good young talent on their teams when they brought in those guys and had a good young head coach that had already been their 3-4 years.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Because maxing a guy like FVV when you have nothing else is how a team remains irrelevant.
Makes sense for Toronto to do so because they are over the cap regardless.

Disagree, this is a move like the Celtics signing Horford and even Hayward, you're getting a professional to play with and help your young guys while still rebuilding. Was Horford a max player when they signed him? Nope, but it laid the foundation and culture for what they wanted moving forward, and paying the premium for that is worth it.

We will have RJ, a rookie and a bunch of young players who don't know the first thing about winning, whatever PG we draft will be years away from being a quality player, almost all of these "PGs" in the draft are really combo guards with Haliburton being the only who can run a team right now.

This would be a move nothing like the Celtics signings of Heyward or Horford. They had much more good young talent on their teams when they brought in those guys and had a good young head coach that had already been their 3-4 years.

No, the Celtics had a good coach, future draft picks and capspace when they sold Horford on joining them. The best young player from the previous season was Marcus Smart, it's not like they had Tatum on the team yet. This is a similar move in the sense that it's something you do with an eye towards the future 2-3 years from now, when Fred will only be 28-29, and your young guys hopefully take the next step between now and then. The payoff isn't about now, it's about giving the younger players someone close to them in age that is still a solid professional that they can look to for leadership and an example. You can say to sign some vets, but that isn't the same thing, because the vets can't go out there for 35mpg and lead by example.

[Esq-4]

Disagree, this is a move like the Celtics signing Horford and even Hayward, you're getting a professional to play with and help your young guys while still rebuilding. Was Horford a max player when they signed him? Nope, but it laid the foundation and culture for what they wanted moving forward, and paying the premium for that is worth it.

We will have RJ, a rookie and a bunch of young players who don't know the first thing about winning, whatever PG we draft will be years away from being a quality player, almost all of these "PGs" in the draft are really combo guards with Haliburton being the only who can run a team right now.

This would be a move nothing like the Celtics signings of Heyward or Horford. They had much more good young talent on their teams when they brought in those guys and had a good young head coach that had already been their 3-4 years.

No, the Celtics had a good coach, future draft picks and capspace when they sold Horford on joining them. The best young player from the previous season was Marcus Smart, it's not like they had Tatum on the team yet. This is a similar move in the sense that it's something you do with an eye towards the future 2-3 years from now, when Fred will only be 28-29, and your young guys hopefully take the next step between now and then. The payoff isn't about now, it's about giving the younger players someone close to them in age that is still a solid professional that they can look to for leadership and an example. You can say to sign some vets, but that isn't the same thing, because the vets can't go out there for 35mpg and lead by example.

Hortford may not have been AD or some superstar, but he was a multiple time all star and leader of his team. Not to say FVV can't be a late bloomer like Billups or even Lowry, but I don't think it's a great comparison at all. I get FVV has a ring, but was as a back up guard with the likes of Kawai, Lowry Siakim and others. Again, no disrespect. He plays his role well and stepped up. For the right money, I'd love to have him. But, as for the comparison, wasn't Hortford the best player on his team for a stretch?

[newyorker4ever]

Disagree, this is a move like the Celtics signing Horford and even Hayward, you're getting a professional to play with and help your young guys while still rebuilding. Was Horford a max player when they signed him? Nope, but it laid the foundation and culture for what they wanted moving forward, and paying the premium for that is worth it.

We will have RJ, a rookie and a bunch of young players who don't know the first thing about winning, whatever PG we draft will be years away from being a quality player, almost all of these "PGs" in the draft are really combo guards with Haliburton being the only who can run a team right now.

This would be a move nothing like the Celtics signings of Heyward or Horford. They had much more good young talent on their teams when they brought in those guys and had a good young head coach that had already been their 3-4 years.

No, the Celtics had a good coach, future draft picks and capspace when they sold Horford on joining them. The best young player from the previous season was Marcus Smart, it's not like they had Tatum on the team yet. This is a similar move in the sense that it's something you do with an eye towards the future 2-3 years from now, when Fred will only be 28-29, and your young guys hopefully take the next step between now and then. The payoff isn't about now, it's about giving the younger players someone close to them in age that is still a solid professional that they can look to for leadership and an example. You can say to sign some vets, but that isn't the same thing, because the vets can't go out there for 35mpg and lead by example.

Ummmmmm they had J.Brown, J.Crowder, A.Bradley (Maybe you don't remember but he was a great two way player when healthy), T.Rozier, I.Thomas (who was also healthy and a good PG at that time,) to go with M.Smart and some other good bench pieces. Much more talent then the Knicks have right now.

[newyorker4ever]

This would be a move nothing like the Celtics signings of Heyward or Horford. They had much more good young talent on their teams when they brought in those guys and had a good young head coach that had already been their 3-4 years.

No, the Celtics had a good coach, future draft picks and capspace when they sold Horford on joining them. The best young player from the previous season was Marcus Smart, it's not like they had Tatum on the team yet. This is a similar move in the sense that it's something you do with an eye towards the future 2-3 years from now, when Fred will only be 28-29, and your young guys hopefully take the next step between now and then. The payoff isn't about now, it's about giving the younger players someone close to them in age that is still a solid professional that they can look to for leadership and an example. You can say to sign some vets, but that isn't the same thing, because the vets can't go out there for 35mpg and lead by example.

Hortford may not have been AD or some superstar, but he was a multiple time all star and leader of his team. Not to say FVV can't be a late bloomer like Billups or even Lowry, but I don't think it's a great comparison at all. I get FVV has a ring, but was as a back up guard with the likes of Kawai, Lowry Siakim and others. Again, no disrespect. He plays his role well and stepped up. For the right money, I'd love to have him. But, as for the comparison, wasn't Hortford the best player on his team for a stretch?

All true and as i said already, i like FVV as well but i'm not throwing the bag at the guy that's not a good all around PG. If we can get him on a good deal in money and years then sure i'll take him but this guy thinks he's a top 5 PG in the league which he definitely isn't.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

This would be a move nothing like the Celtics signings of Heyward or Horford. They had much more good young talent on their teams when they brought in those guys and had a good young head coach that had already been their 3-4 years.

No, the Celtics had a good coach, future draft picks and capspace when they sold Horford on joining them. The best young player from the previous season was Marcus Smart, it's not like they had Tatum on the team yet. This is a similar move in the sense that it's something you do with an eye towards the future 2-3 years from now, when Fred will only be 28-29, and your young guys hopefully take the next step between now and then. The payoff isn't about now, it's about giving the younger players someone close to them in age that is still a solid professional that they can look to for leadership and an example. You can say to sign some vets, but that isn't the same thing, because the vets can't go out there for 35mpg and lead by example.

Ummmmmm they had J.Brown, J.Crowder, A.Bradley (Maybe you don't remember but he was a great two way player when healthy), T.Rozier, I.Thomas (who was also healthy and a good PG at that time,) to go with M.Smart and some other good bench pieces. Much more talent then the Knicks have right now.

Brown was drafted that summer, he was not on the Celtics previous season before Horford got there which is exactly what I said, Crowder and Bradley were 25 and not part of the Celtics long term vision hence both of them being traded. Going after FVV is a similar move in that we don't have the pieces now that we will later, which is true of the Celtics. The only player left from before Horford got there is Smart, and just to put in perspective the level of roster turnover that was 2016.

If Horford were 26 when they signed him he would still be there right now.