Nuggets Trades

[skywalker33]

I wonder if we could get Josh Richardson and a 2nd from the 76ers for Will Barton? They could use Barton's shooting and ability to create his own shot and we could use Richardson's defense with Harris's injury issues. They would have to add 1 of their 2 way or unguaranteed deals for it to work, but we could cut them immediately.

Then trade Morris for Chandler Hutchison and a protected future 1st.

If we Resign Grant we could use the MLE to get a proven backup C and the 2 picks to get a backup PG and another big that would give us

Murray/ Dozier/pick
Harris/ Richardson/ Hutchison
MPJ/ Hutchison/ KBD
Grant/KBD/ Bol/ Cancar/
Jokic/ MLE / Bol/ draft pick

Josh Richardson is expiring next season because $10M per year makes him an underpaid player and he will use the player option in 2021 summer. And unfortunately, his real trade value is about Barton+FRP or Barton+Bol, not Josh+2nd for Barton...

Maybe we should focus on Jrue Holiday. We know he is available, and he will probably not use the player option in 2021 instead of his solid $27M salary. My offer would be Harris+Barton+Bol+#22 for Jrue+#39+#42+#60. Pels have so many assets after AD trade and previous draft, so 2020 three 2nd round picks don't mean anything to them, while Bol is potential all-rookie team next season and our Houston draft pick is still notable at #22. Of course, they will get in Harris and Barton two NBA starter-level players and compete for playoffs despite Jrue is gone. Nuggets will get near the all-star two-way guard, three 2nd rounders (Denver is lately most successful 2nd rounders picker with Jokic, Morris, Bol steals), and with Jrue in Denver will be for sure TOP5 ring contender next two seasons. The only problem I can see in such a deal is the Jrue Holiday injury history.

Well I really like the idea of Richardson here to replace Harris. You still seem focused on this BIG4 idea with Jrue, and while I am more open to Jrue here, it feels like Richardson, at 26yo would fit in better with this core than a 30yo Holiday. While he was the centerpiece for PHI's Butler trade, Josh hasn't had the same impact with PHI as he did for MIA. Also, the 76ers now have Matisse Thybulle is the wing so they can retain skillset while acquiring a offensive value. And I don't see Rebel's trade value that far off myself but even IF it takes Barton + our 22nd I'd still think that'd be a pretty good deal as we save $3M to go towards helping us keep Grant while giving us more complete starting lineup. He also has better size to give us versatility as a true wing.

And Harris + Barton + Bol + 22 seems like a lot even with us getting 3 2nds back (also, you mentioned ONLY the 2nd round hits, there were PLENTY of misses too)

[Manolito]

Call me hater...but IMO you are overrating Harris and Barton. They are serious liabilities right now. Barton seems to have a serious knee injury, put that together with his last season hip injury plus being 30....nobody is going to pay him 14M the next two years. Harris is directly untradeable. Why would be Pelicans interested in these guys?

Bol Bol, Monte Morris and pick 22 are our only trade assets. Low salary guys with only one year contract....I would not be very optimistic with blockbuster trades this offseason.

[The Rebel]

I wonder if we could get Josh Richardson and a 2nd from the 76ers for Will Barton? They could use Barton's shooting and ability to create his own shot and we could use Richardson's defense with Harris's injury issues. They would have to add 1 of their 2 way or unguaranteed deals for it to work, but we could cut them immediately.

Then trade Morris for Chandler Hutchison and a protected future 1st.

If we Resign Grant we could use the MLE to get a proven backup C and the 2 picks to get a backup PG and another big that would give us

Murray/ Dozier/pick
Harris/ Richardson/ Hutchison
MPJ/ Hutchison/ KBD
Grant/KBD/ Bol/ Cancar/
Jokic/ MLE / Bol/ draft pick

Josh Richardson is expiring next season because $10M per year makes him an underpaid player and he will use the player option in 2021 summer. And unfortunately, his real trade value is about Barton+FRP or Barton+Bol, not Josh+2nd for Barton...

I would love to hear your explaination on why Josh Richardson is all that valuable.

Maybe we should focus on Jrue Holiday. We know he is available, and he will probably not use the player option in 2021 instead of his solid $27M salary. My offer would be Harris+Barton+Bol+#22 for Jrue+#39+#42+#60. Pels have so many assets after AD trade and previous draft, so 2020 three 2nd round picks don't mean anything to them, while Bol is potential all-rookie team next season and our Houston draft pick is still notable at #22. Of course, they will get in Harris and Barton two NBA starter-level players and compete for playoffs despite Jrue is gone. Nuggets will get near the all-star two-way guard, three 2nd rounders (Denver is lately most successful 2nd rounders picker with Jokic, Morris, Bol steals), and with Jrue in Denver will be for sure TOP5 ring contender next two seasons. The only problem I can see in such a deal is the Jrue Holiday injury history.

IT was widely reported that the Pelicans wanted MPJ at the trade deadline and that Stan Kroenke is the one that said no. The reports were pretty clear that the Nuggets were basically offering this type of deal. Do you honestly think that Bol has done enough to create trade value to overcome BArton and Harris's declining value and convince them to do this deal?

[The Rebel]

Call me hater...but IMO you are overrating Harris and Barton. They are serious liabilities right now. Barton seems to have a serious knee injury, put that together with his last season hip injury plus being 30....nobody is going to pay him 14M the next two years. Harris is directly untradeable. Why would be Pelicans interested in these guys?

Bol Bol, Monte Morris and pick 22 are our only trade assets. Low salary guys with only one year contract....I would not be very optimistic with blockbuster trades this offseason.

To be fair I posted the trade for Richardson as I was listening to sports talk radio and they were saying that Barton would be back by tomorrow, the news did not break that he was leaving the bubble until a few hours later. Now I agree, depending on what happens with both Barton and Harris we likely will not be able to get much for either.

[THE J0KER]

...My offer would be Harris+Barton+Bol+#22 for Jrue+#39+#42+#60...

IT was widely reported that the Pelicans wanted MPJ at the trade deadline and that Stan Kroenke is the one that said no. The reports were pretty clear that the Nuggets were basically offering this type of deal. Do you honestly think that Bol has done enough to create trade value to overcome BArton and Harris's declining value and convince them to do this deal?

Even if we send before the trade deadline some very similar offer (for example Juancho and/or FRP2022 instead of 2020 HOU#22) this offer for Jrue is way more competitive during upcoming offseason than before 2020 winter trade-deadline, because of couple important changes which happen in the meantime:

- In January Jrue Holiday price was notably higher than in the upcoming October because it includes guaranteed 2 playoff appearances (up to 3 if he did not choose a player option in 2021 summer) while now guaranteed is only one playoff appearance (up to two).

- Bol Bol's price is way higher today than in January because he showed he is already enough healthy ready to play, and current Porzingis great recovery story tells everyone that players with such unique skills but the vulnerable body is still worth the risk.

- In January Pels are maybe in delusion if they stay enough tough negotiators they can get MPJ in a deal around Jrue. But MPJ price in bubble enough skyrocketed (not only because these 30-10 games, but he shows the ability to play 40 mpg games without problem) that no way they still have that delusion which (maybe) prevented them to make more realistic deal in January.

[The Rebel]

...My offer would be Harris+Barton+Bol+#22 for Jrue+#39+#42+#60...

IT was widely reported that the Pelicans wanted MPJ at the trade deadline and that Stan Kroenke is the one that said no. The reports were pretty clear that the Nuggets were basically offering this type of deal. Do you honestly think that Bol has done enough to create trade value to overcome BArton and Harris's declining value and convince them to do this deal?

Even if we send before the trade deadline some very similar offer (for example Juancho and/or FRP2022 instead of 2020 HOU#22) this offer for Jrue is way more competitive during upcoming offseason than before 2020 winter trade-deadline, because of couple important changes which happen in the meantime:

- In January Jrue Holiday price was notably higher than in the upcoming October because it includes guaranteed 2 playoff appearances (up to 3 if he did not choose a player option in 2021 summer) while now guaranteed is only one playoff appearance (up to two).

- Bol Bol's price is way higher today than in January because he showed he is already enough healthy ready to play, and current Porzingis great recovery story tells everyone that players with such unique skills but the vulnerable body is still worth the risk.

- In January Pels are maybe in delusion if they stay enough tough negotiators they can get MPJ in a deal around Jrue. But MPJ price in bubble enough skyrocketed (not only because these 30-10 games, but he shows the ability to play 40 mpg games without problem) that no way they still have that delusion which (maybe) prevented them to make more realistic deal in January.

Since February Barton has a significant knee injury and Harris has reinjured his hip, meaning their value has dropped like a rock. Bol played 2 games as the scrimmages don't count. he did not raise his value that much and is not someone that teams are going to fall all over themselves to get.

I really do not understand how you think Bol is suddenly so valuable, his issues that cause him to drop was health and attitude, and they were bad enough the Nuggets gave him the lowest guaranteed contract of any 2nd round pick signed last year after drafting him in the mid 2nd round. He was on a minute restriction in the G league the entire season, and he still got hurt and missed almost a full month of games. Nothing that has happened has proven that he has a good attitude or that he can hold up a full NBA season. A year ago any team could have drafted him, they could have bought the same pick we did or an earlier pick if needed, but they all could have easily gotten him. They are not nearly as enamored with him as you and some other's seem to be.

The Pelicans don't have to trade with the Nuggets, they can trade with whoever they want, and with rumors that the Warriors want to trade their pick they can easily offer the number 2 overall pick and Wiggins and beat your package. Hell any team in the top 11 can offer their pick and some marginal contracts on productive players and beat your offer.

[skywalker33]

Let's get back to this Richardson trade, it's really grown on me since Rebel introduced it. I think Barton has to go so I'd propose the bones of a trade like this:

Barton, Morris and 2020 22nd pick for Richardson, Thybulle and 2020 34th pick.

Both Barton and Morris can start for PHI plus they upgrade to 12 spots in the draft or combine 21 & 22 to move up. DEN can play Richardson at the 2/3 while still getting a good backup defender at the 2 in Thybulle and still look for a backup C/PF (Zeke Nnaji ?) at the 34th spot. I know PHI likes Thybulle so we may have to sweeten the offer but seems like a team Malone would love.

[Alatan]

Let's get back to this Richardson trade, it's really grown on me since Rebel introduced it. I think Barton has to go so I'd propose the bones of a trade like this:

Barton, Morris and 2020 22nd pick for Richardson, Thybulle and 2020 34th pick.

Both Barton and Morris can start for PHI plus they upgrade to 12 spots in the draft or combine 21 & 22 to move up. DEN can play Richardson at the 2/3 while still getting a good backup defender at the 2 in Thybulle and still look for a backup C/PF (Zeke Nnaji ?) at the 34th spot. I know PHI likes Thybulle so we may have to sweeten the offer but seems like a team Malone would love.

Phili values Thybulle highly so i doubt they would want to include him in the trade. Barton is hurt so his trade value has plumeted until we see him back from injury. Morris has a short deal and is looking to get paid so his value is not that great either.

Phili fans want to get rid of Richardson with makes me question his value as a player.

[Alatan]

I know its basically sacrilege but i got to ask.

Would you guys trade Murray and MPJ if we could get Giannis?

[The Rebel]

Let's get back to this Richardson trade, it's really grown on me since Rebel introduced it. I think Barton has to go so I'd propose the bones of a trade like this:

Barton, Morris and 2020 22nd pick for Richardson, Thybulle and 2020 34th pick.

Both Barton and Morris can start for PHI plus they upgrade to 12 spots in the draft or combine 21 & 22 to move up. DEN can play Richardson at the 2/3 while still getting a good backup defender at the 2 in Thybulle and still look for a backup C/PF (Zeke Nnaji ?) at the 34th spot. I know PHI likes Thybulle so we may have to sweeten the offer but seems like a team Malone would love.

I think we would love that deal, but the issue is that Philly seems to think that they can attach Thybulle to Horford and get a decent player in return, I think it will take some picks but can see the reasoning.

I have actually been thinking of a 3 way deal, including Portland and getting a decent deal.

Trailblazers send out Hood, Collins, and the 46th pick for Barton

Trailblazers need a cost effective 3rd option that is decent on defense and can play on or off the ball depending on the lineup, plus Barton and Lillard are reportedly still very close. Hood is currently out with an achilles injury, so I consider him dead money, and Collins is an expiring that has lost his starting job to Gabriel (who I think the Trailblazers are going to keep).

the 76ers send out Smith and Richardson for Hood, Morris, the 22nd pick, and the 46th pick.

The 76ers need ammo if they are going to get off of Horford and possibly Harris's deals this summer while keeping a reasonably competitive team. Smith has been a disappointment and Richardson is a bad fit. This gets them a decent size expiring, a PG that can play on and off the ball while shooting nearly 40% on spot up shots. The 1st allows them to trade a 1st this year and next year, which is reportedly a better draft.

We send out Barton, Morris, and the 22nd pick for Zach Collins, Josh Richardson, and Zhaire Smith.

Collins can split time with Grant at PF and Jokic at C, you figure Grant gets 22 mpg at PF and 10 at SF, Jokic gets 32 at C, and Collins 16 MPG at C and 12 at PF, leaving 14 mpg for Bol, KBD, and Cancar to compete for as development time, then in the playoffs you shorten it to Jokic, Collins, and grant splitting the minutes at the 4 and 5.

Richardson is a good defensive replacement for Craig and a good bench scorer to replace Barton, plus he has a history as a backup PG so he would fit well with Dozier and KBD/Cancar at SF.

Smith took a huge step back with that allergy thing that almost killed him and his injury issues, he is a flyer that we know the Nuggets liked in the draft and can be the 5th SG/SF while we spend a year developing him and seeing what we have.

This also leaves the full MLE intact to get another backup C and veteran SG/SF to come off the bench.

[The Rebel]

I know its basically sacrilege but i got to ask.

Would you guys trade Murray and MPJ if we could get Giannis?

Call me crazy, but no I would not trade for Giannis.

Do not get me wrong, I know Giannis is a great player, but he has too many holes in his game to be as ball dominate as he is, which is why they fail in the playoffs. I would rather continue with what we have than take a chance that Giannis can develop into being a great fit with Jokic.

[The Rebel]

Let's get back to this Richardson trade, it's really grown on me since Rebel introduced it. I think Barton has to go so I'd propose the bones of a trade like this:

Barton, Morris and 2020 22nd pick for Richardson, Thybulle and 2020 34th pick.

Both Barton and Morris can start for PHI plus they upgrade to 12 spots in the draft or combine 21 & 22 to move up. DEN can play Richardson at the 2/3 while still getting a good backup defender at the 2 in Thybulle and still look for a backup C/PF (Zeke Nnaji ?) at the 34th spot. I know PHI likes Thybulle so we may have to sweeten the offer but seems like a team Malone would love.

Phili values Thybulle highly so i doubt they would want to include him in the trade. Barton is hurt so his trade value has plumeted until we see him back from injury. Morris has a short deal and is looking to get paid so his value is not that great either.

Phili fans want to get rid of Richardson with makes me question his value as a player.

I agree on Thybulle.

As for Richardson, there are a couple of things you have to look at. He was the return on the Butler sign and trade, so expectations for him was pushed way to high by the franchise to justify doing the trade. He was slated as a replacement for JJ Redick only with much better defense, and that is just not his game.

Richardson is a good spot up shooter, he is not Redick. To get in rhythm he needs touches though he was often used as a backup PG in Miami, he likes to have the ball in his hands to get going. As a starter with the 76ers, between all their "stars" Richardson did not get nearly the touches, even when Simmons is on the bench Richardson is often the 4th or 5th option. With the Nuggets he would come off the bench, where we need a more ball dominate guard, and once he gets going he is fine playing more minutes with Jokic and Murray.

76ers fans were expecting a shut down defender like Butler is, he is not a shut down defender. He is a slightly better defender than Craig. He can slow down some guys and he fights over screens and does okay on the perimeter, but he is not Harris. We need a guy off the bench that can guard the small quick guards that many teams like the Jazz have, and can step in when Harris gets in foul trouble or is injured, he fits what we need.

Overall expectations were crazy for Richardson in Philly, and the role he was asked to play does not fit his game, he needs a change of scenery, and is a much better fit for what we need.

[NuggetsWY]

I know its basically sacrilege but i got to ask.

Would you guys trade Murray and MPJ if we could get Giannis?

Call me crazy, but no I would not trade for Giannis.

Do not get me wrong, I know Giannis is a great player, but he has too many holes in his game to be as ball dominate as he is, which is why they fail in the playoffs. I would rather continue with what we have than take a chance that Giannis can develop into being a great fit with Jokic.

Heavy usage players are not what you need with Jokic.

[NuggetsWY]

All of the options regarding Barton for Richardson are focused on those two players. It sure does seem like Richardson might be a nice fit on the Nuggets. Starter with Harris off the bench? 1st guy off the bench? Either way, I like the fit.

I seriously doubt Philadelphia is going to trade Thybulle. But the trade can work with Philadelphia adding Korkmaz or Milton as well as Thybulle - or pretty much any end of bench player(s). I do not believe it matters much to Denver because mostly we are talking wings and if we acquire Richardson while keeping Harris; we'd have Porter, Bates-Diop, (maybe Craig) plus Richardson & Harris and even Murray with maybe some Dozier all ready to play wings - not to mention Grant against some lineups. We can certainly afford to trade Morris or Dozier in this deal.

I'd be in favor of the Richardson for Barton with them throwing in a player or two and maybe Denver throwing in a player or two and/or a draft pick.

[THE J0KER]

I know its basically sacrilege but i got to ask.

Would you guys trade Murray and MPJ if we could get Giannis?

In a perfect world YES, Giannis would sign supermax next season for the next 5 years, but in the real world NO, even 2xMVP but with zero guarantees that will stay after 2021 in Denver is not worth two supertalented youngsters locked until 2025.

[skywalker33]

Let's get back to this Richardson trade, it's really grown on me since Rebel introduced it. I think Barton has to go so I'd propose the bones of a trade like this:

Barton, Morris and 2020 22nd pick for Richardson, Thybulle and 2020 34th pick.

Both Barton and Morris can start for PHI plus they upgrade to 12 spots in the draft or combine 21 & 22 to move up. DEN can play Richardson at the 2/3 while still getting a good backup defender at the 2 in Thybulle and still look for a backup C/PF (Zeke Nnaji ?) at the 34th spot. I know PHI likes Thybulle so we may have to sweeten the offer but seems like a team Malone would love.

Phili values Thybulle highly so i doubt they would want to include him in the trade. Barton is hurt so his trade value has plumeted until we see him back from injury. Morris has a short deal and is looking to get paid so his value is not that great either. Phili fans want to get rid of Richardson with makes me question his value as a player.

Well, with all the secrecy surrounding Barton, even that is speculation IMO. I can agree with Morris but he's not gonna break the bank, for DEN or PHI. And I did say the Nuggets may have to sweeten the deal, just know the law of the land, start low you can always go higher. I'd consider another 1st as our draft picks are trending towards the lower end on the spectrum right now.

As for JRich, he may just need a new venue, just like Barton. Your speculations lends to The Dark Side, my friend.

[skywalker33]

I know its basically sacrilege but i got to ask.

Would you guys trade Murray and MPJ if we could get Giannis?

Call me crazy, but no I would not trade for Giannis.

Do not get me wrong, I know Giannis is a great player, but he has too many holes in his game to be as ball dominate as he is, which is why they fail in the playoffs. I would rather continue with what we have than take a chance that Giannis can develop into being a great fit with Jokic.

I agree with Rebel, Joker has a strong relationship/familiarity with Murray plus Jokic is starting to develop with MPJ too, give that time. And two shooters are better than, especially with the potential both Murray and MPJ have.

[The Rebel]

All of the options regarding Barton for Richardson are focused on those two players. It sure does seem like Richardson might be a nice fit on the Nuggets. Starter with Harris off the bench? 1st guy off the bench? Either way, I like the fit.

I seriously doubt Philadelphia is going to trade Thybulle. But the trade can work with Philadelphia adding Korkmaz or Milton as well as Thybulle - or pretty much any end of bench player(s). I do not believe it matters much to Denver because mostly we are talking wings and if we acquire Richardson while keeping Harris; we'd have Porter, Bates-Diop, (maybe Craig) plus Richardson & Harris and even Murray with maybe some Dozier all ready to play wings - not to mention Grant against some lineups. We can certainly afford to trade Morris or Dozier in this deal.

I'd be in favor of the Richardson for Barton with them throwing in a player or two and maybe Denver throwing in a player or two and/or a draft pick.

The issue with just swapping Barton for Richardson is that Barton does not fit what the 76ers are looking for. The last thing they need is another guy who wants the ball in his hands, they need trade assets, they need guys on cheep contracts, they need to get off their bad contracts, and 3 and d guys. Monte Morris works for them, but the money does not work.

For Denver we have to be careful with what we do, as we really have Barton, Morris, maybe Bol, the MLE, and the 22nd pick that have to be used to get a 6th man that fits and a backup PF and a backup C.

Outside of Richardson the only player that they have that I would give value for is Thybulle, but they are not going to trade him in this type of deal.

To make the deal work we have to send out Barton, the only assets we have that the 76ers would want are Morris and the pick. Richardson is not worth Barton and Morris or the pick. So we have to turn Barton into more assets that make sense for the 76ers and make the deal make sense to the Nuggets. In my deal we get a young big who would be a good 3rd big for us and Richardson with a bust that we can take a flyer on for our trade assets. The traillblazers fill a huge need, and the 76ers get what they want.

[The Rebel]

Let's get back to this Richardson trade, it's really grown on me since Rebel introduced it. I think Barton has to go so I'd propose the bones of a trade like this:

Barton, Morris and 2020 22nd pick for Richardson, Thybulle and 2020 34th pick.

Both Barton and Morris can start for PHI plus they upgrade to 12 spots in the draft or combine 21 & 22 to move up. DEN can play Richardson at the 2/3 while still getting a good backup defender at the 2 in Thybulle and still look for a backup C/PF (Zeke Nnaji ?) at the 34th spot. I know PHI likes Thybulle so we may have to sweeten the offer but seems like a team Malone would love.

Phili values Thybulle highly so i doubt they would want to include him in the trade. Barton is hurt so his trade value has plumeted until we see him back from injury. Morris has a short deal and is looking to get paid so his value is not that great either. Phili fans want to get rid of Richardson with makes me question his value as a player.

Well, with all the secrecy surrounding Barton, even that is speculation IMO. I can agree with Morris but he's not gonna break the bank, for DEN or PHI. And I did say the Nuggets may have to sweeten the deal, just know the law of the land, start low you can always go higher. I'd consider another 1st as our draft picks are trending towards the lower end on the spectrum right now.

As for JRich, he may just need a new venue, just like Barton. Your speculations lends to The Dark Side, my friend.

I don't think Barton is hurt, he may have been, but when Connelly says that he can play whenever he wants to play, tells me he is not hurt.

I actually think Morris's 1 year contract with bird rights is a good thing for the 76ers. I believe it makes him a restricted free agent next summer. That allows them to take back a big expiring contract for Horford or Harris and the value Morris will provide will help off set that bad deal.

[LoveMyRaps]

what are the chances nuggets re-sign grant?