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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#561 » by djFan71 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:40 pm

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Wouldn't be an issue. Technically, Dallas would make their pick on draft night and trade us the rights to him once the new league year starts. They'd be making their pick and thus the deal works. NBA CBA is so weird like that haha

Doh, right! Thanks. Forgot about that. That's why I couched it in "not sure".... :)


NBA salary cap is literally more complicated than my CPA exam books. For someone who's a nerdy accountant and also a huge sports fan though, NBA trades/transactions is like the best puzzle ever though lol

I definitely think of it as a puzzle as well. I spent way too much time on it last summer trying to finagle a way to keep Baynes, or Zoya and I worked like crazy to come up with trade ballast scenarios. All for naught, of course. But, still "fun". Just slipped my mind that they would technically be picking this one.
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Post#562 » by djFan71 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:11 pm

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I am not sure about if they can trade it either, I feel like its technically a pick swap that there would be a work around of sorts that could happen.

I posted it on Dallas' forum, but only 1 response so far. And the poster claimed that Dallas makes out like bandits and would need to include the 31st at least.


It's absolutely highway robbery for them. Hayward for two role players and a mid 1st is an absolutely terrible deal for us basketball wise. If it weren't for the financial aspect of it, none of us would be remotely interested. So I do think a deal with Dallas could be worked out in that sense because their financial structure allows it since they don't have the same top of the payroll as we do.

Now, the issue for us is getting the deal to actually work. Wright/Hardaway/#19 pick make a combined $30M next year. That's only marginally less than Hayward's $34.2M. If we aren't shedding enough money to get below the tax next year, not a ton of incentive to make a deal. You'd have to do it with an eye towards making another deal over the next couple of years to avoid repeater rates. Because the only reason to deal Hayward rather than just re-sign is to avoid those rates so a deal that doesn't accomplish that makes no sense.

Yeah, you'd have to finesse the financials. Get Poirier in there (after they sign 19 if need be). Trade up/out of some of the other picks, etc. You definitely just keep Gordon if you don't get under the tax here.

Finesse might not be enough. Even if you get Poirier/Edwards in there and 30 sent out for 31, you're at ~$136M with 14 guys. Dumping Kanter and keeping Javonte min still doesn't get you quite there.
But, I'd have to play with the numbers for real. You're super close.

Another reason to hope for MEM to jump into top 4 tomorrow. If that happens, you're within a Kanter dump. :)
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#563 » by MagicBagley18 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:31 pm

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I think he would. But I also think he’d think long and hard about a 4/90 extension as well.


I get confused with extensions. If we do that does that include the 34m for next season or the extension is 4 years on top of his old contract?


Either way works. Extension rules are strict if you're offering a player a raise. It's limited to 120% of what he makes int he last year of his current deal. But for Hayward, not really an issue since his next deal isn't going to be as much as his option. Just as an example, let's say the number they agree on is 4 years, $90M. It could be structured two ways:

1) He opts in and we add on years to his current deal:

'20-21 - $34.2M (player option)
'21-22 - $17.3M
'22-23 - $18.6M
'23-24 - $20.0M

2) He opts out and re-signs for a new deal:

'20-21 - $20.1M
'21-22 - $21.7M
'22-23 - $23.3M
'23-24 - $25.0M

Either way, he gets $90M over 4 years.

I think in the first scenario, Hayward would rather hit FA next year. I think he'd gamble that he can sign for more than 3 years, $56M by waiting it out.

In the second scenario, the same thing applies. However, we can offer him a lot more in this scenario than 4 years, $90M and get below the tax. Let's say we upped the '20-21 salary to $25M. Now he'd have the following salaries:

'20-21 - $25.0M
'21-22 - $27.0M
'22-23 - $29.0M
'23-24 - $31.0M

That's a 4 year, $112M. For Hayward to turn that down, he'd be gambling that he can sign for more than 3 years, $87M next year. I think that'd be enough money for him to take the security.

Now for us, I think that's more than we want to pay Hayward down the line. But it sheds his salary by almost $10M in '20-21 which means we can avoid the luxury tax another year. Down the line that means no repeater tax before Kemba expires. So overall it would save us lots of money vs letting Hayward re-sign for less next year. So there's incentive for us to do this.

The disincentive is that it ruins potential max cap space in the '23-24 offseason. If we avoid committing to Hayward for that year, we should have max cap space to sign a player with Jayson/Jalen/Marcus/rookie scale guys. So it's a balance of if we want ot take the short term hit of letting Hayward walk and really hurting the current window to help us open the next one.

The ideal scenario for us is that Hayward opts out and signs a new THREE year deal. That way we can get below the tax, keep Hayward for the 3-year-Kemba-window and then have max cap space for the next core player. But for only 3 years, not sure we can get enough money for Hayward to opt out. From the numbers I've crunched this is ABOUT the most money we can offer him on a new 3 year deal and stay below the tax:

'20-21 - $28.0M
'21-22 - $30.24M
'22-23 - $32.48M

That's a 3 year, $90.72M deal. I think we can get below the tax if with that if we make some other cost cutting moves. That means relying on young guys off the bench next year (Timelord, Romeo, draft pick). But it would let us keep Hayward for another 3 years with Kemba so we have our core. We won't have to worry about repeater tax. And we have max cap space in the 2023 offseason to add a core piece.

We can also add a partially guaranteed fourth year for Hayward. The total amount on the extension above would be $34.72M in '23-24. But let's say it's guaranteed for $9M. We could then waive Hayward and stretch the $9M over 3 years for the cap. So it'd only count $3M in that offseason which should preserve cap space. But for Hayward, that raises it to a 3 year, $99.72M deal. So it maybe adds that extra juice to push us over the top.

This is all about trying to play best-of-all-worlds of keeping Hayward for the next 3 years with Kemba, not paying repeater tax, adding a max FA to play with Jayson/Jaylen/Marcus down the road.


I agree with you that maintaining max space for 2023 to add around Tatum and brown is absolutely key. Letting Tatum get to pick a running mate is key for a revamp while he’s entering his prime years- I say whatever it takes within reason that’s the way we should go and if helps us avoid the tax line and or repeater.

No brainer to me....if we r 100% on keeping Hayward which I think will be
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#564 » by 100proof » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:18 pm

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djFan71 wrote:Not sure DAL can trade their pick due to Stepien rule (they owe NYK for Porzingis).
Nor would they include it for this deal.
But, even without it, that's a good basis. Wright's a good asset, Hardaway is also an expiring and can shoot.



I am not sure about if they can trade it either, I feel like its technically a pick swap that there would be a work around of sorts that could happen.

I posted it on Dallas' forum, but only 1 response so far. And the poster claimed that Dallas makes out like bandits and would need to include the 31st at least.


It's absolutely highway robbery for them. Hayward for two role players and a mid 1st is an absolutely terrible deal for us basketball wise. If it weren't for the financial aspect of it, none of us would be remotely interested. So I do think a deal with Dallas could be worked out in that sense because their financial structure allows it since they don't have the same top of the payroll as we do.

Now, the issue for us is getting the deal to actually work. Wright/Hardaway/#19 pick make a combined $30M next year. That's only marginally less than Hayward's $34.2M. If we aren't shedding enough money to get below the tax next year, not a ton of incentive to make a deal. You'd have to do it with an eye towards making another deal over the next couple of years to avoid repeater rates. Because the only reason to deal Hayward rather than just re-sign is to avoid those rates so a deal that doesn't accomplish that makes no sense.


Thats why i include poirer or edwards. Further cap shedding.

Assuming kanter, wannamaker and semi are gone then we are well clear
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#565 » by 100proof » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:31 pm

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hugepatsfan wrote:
It's absolutely highway robbery for them. Hayward for two role players and a mid 1st is an absolutely terrible deal for us basketball wise. If it weren't for the financial aspect of it, none of us would be remotely interested. So I do think a deal with Dallas could be worked out in that sense because their financial structure allows it since they don't have the same top of the payroll as we do.

Now, the issue for us is getting the deal to actually work. Wright/Hardaway/#19 pick make a combined $30M next year. That's only marginally less than Hayward's $34.2M. If we aren't shedding enough money to get below the tax next year, not a ton of incentive to make a deal. You'd have to do it with an eye towards making another deal over the next couple of years to avoid repeater rates. Because the only reason to deal Hayward rather than just re-sign is to avoid those rates so a deal that doesn't accomplish that makes no sense.

Yeah, you'd have to finesse the financials. Get Poirier in there (after they sign 19 if need be). Trade up/out of some of the other picks, etc. You definitely just keep Gordon if you don't get under the tax here.

Finesse might not be enough. Even if you get Poirier/Edwards in there and 30 sent out for 31, you're at ~$136M with 14 guys. Dumping Kanter and keeping Javonte min still doesn't get you quite there.
But, I'd have to play with the numbers for real. You're super close.

Another reason to hope for MEM to jump into top 4 tomorrow. If that happens, you're within a Kanter dump. :)


Not including picks.
Assuming wannamaker, semi and green are gone
Assuming poirier amd hayward are traded
Assuming kanter ipts in

Team would be at 106.5 mill in payroll. (34.4 out, 27.4 in) hardaway makes 18.275 and wright 9 mill next year.

Draft and stash or trade out of draft with later picks and (correct me if I am wrong) But using mle prior signing draft picks would allow for full mle to be ised
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#566 » by djFan71 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:32 pm

100proof wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:
100proof wrote:

I am not sure about if they can trade it either, I feel like its technically a pick swap that there would be a work around of sorts that could happen.

I posted it on Dallas' forum, but only 1 response so far. And the poster claimed that Dallas makes out like bandits and would need to include the 31st at least.


It's absolutely highway robbery for them. Hayward for two role players and a mid 1st is an absolutely terrible deal for us basketball wise. If it weren't for the financial aspect of it, none of us would be remotely interested. So I do think a deal with Dallas could be worked out in that sense because their financial structure allows it since they don't have the same top of the payroll as we do.

Now, the issue for us is getting the deal to actually work. Wright/Hardaway/#19 pick make a combined $30M next year. That's only marginally less than Hayward's $34.2M. If we aren't shedding enough money to get below the tax next year, not a ton of incentive to make a deal. You'd have to do it with an eye towards making another deal over the next couple of years to avoid repeater rates. Because the only reason to deal Hayward rather than just re-sign is to avoid those rates so a deal that doesn't accomplish that makes no sense.


Thats why i include poirer or edwards. Further cap shedding.

Assuming kanter, wannamaker and semi are gone then we are well clear

Not once you sign the draft picks. Rough approximation on the picks since I was too lazy to go do 120% of scale on 19 & 26 right now...

Kemba 34.3791
Brown 22.883929
Smart 12.946428
Tatum 9.89712
Kanter 5.00535
Theis 5
Romeo 3.63120
Grant 2.49876
RWIII 2.02992
THJ 18.975
Wright 9
Pick 27 2.08308
Pick 17 2.96484
Pick 14 3.64404
Yabusele 1.03908
Jackson 0.092857
Green 0.1 (guarantee)

~$136M.


EDIT: This was also including Poirier in the trade and waiting til DAL signed 19 to complete it.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#567 » by 100proof » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:45 pm

djFan71 wrote:
100proof wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:
It's absolutely highway robbery for them. Hayward for two role players and a mid 1st is an absolutely terrible deal for us basketball wise. If it weren't for the financial aspect of it, none of us would be remotely interested. So I do think a deal with Dallas could be worked out in that sense because their financial structure allows it since they don't have the same top of the payroll as we do.

Now, the issue for us is getting the deal to actually work. Wright/Hardaway/#19 pick make a combined $30M next year. That's only marginally less than Hayward's $34.2M. If we aren't shedding enough money to get below the tax next year, not a ton of incentive to make a deal. You'd have to do it with an eye towards making another deal over the next couple of years to avoid repeater rates. Because the only reason to deal Hayward rather than just re-sign is to avoid those rates so a deal that doesn't accomplish that makes no sense.


Thats why i include poirer or edwards. Further cap shedding.

Assuming kanter, wannamaker and semi are gone then we are well clear

Not once you sign the draft picks. Rough approximation on the picks since I was too lazy to go do 120% of scale on 19 & 26 right now...

Kemba 34.3791
Brown 22.883929
Smart 12.946428
Tatum 9.89712
Kanter 5.00535
Theis 5
Romeo 3.63120
Grant 2.49876
RWIII 2.02992
THJ 18.975
Wright 9
Pick 27 2.08308
Pick 17 2.96484
Pick 14 3.64404
Yabusele 1.03908
Jackson 0.092857
Green 0.1 (guarantee)

~$136M.


EDIT: This was also including Poirier in the trade and waiting til DAL signed 19 to complete it.



Right. But like i posted right above yours, I feel like you can use MLE then sign draft picks afterwards. Perhaps not.

Either way i would expect at least a 3 for 1 trade up, or a draft amd stash saving another coiple of million
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#568 » by hugepatsfan » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:48 pm

If we do move Hayward I think Dallas is a great spot but we have to move the pieces for guys that fit basketball-wise and financially. Start with the base deal of THJ, Wright, #18 pick.

Atlanta has tons of cap space and needs a defensive backup PG like Wright. Re-route him there into their cap space. I don't think Wright brings that much more than Wanamaker that it'd be worth the extra money against our tax crunch for '20-21 and the multi-year committment.

THJ's expiring deal would allow us to take about $23M back in salary. Package that with pick(s) to get a better fitting piece. Can be a player under contract or via S&T. By re-routing Wright to Atlanta we have PLENTY of wiggle room under the tax. Expiring salary plus a mid 1st I think could get us a SOLID piece that fits both short and long term in that price range.
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Post#569 » by djFan71 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:54 pm

100proof wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
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Thats why i include poirer or edwards. Further cap shedding.

Assuming kanter, wannamaker and semi are gone then we are well clear

Not once you sign the draft picks. Rough approximation on the picks since I was too lazy to go do 120% of scale on 19 & 26 right now...

Kemba 34.3791
Brown 22.883929
Smart 12.946428
Tatum 9.89712
Kanter 5.00535
Theis 5
Romeo 3.63120
Grant 2.49876
RWIII 2.02992
THJ 18.975
Wright 9
Pick 27 2.08308
Pick 17 2.96484
Pick 14 3.64404
Yabusele 1.03908
Jackson 0.092857
Green 0.1 (guarantee)

~$136M.


EDIT: This was also including Poirier in the trade and waiting til DAL signed 19 to complete it.



Right. But like i posted right above yours, I feel like you can use MLE then sign draft picks afterwards. Perhaps not.

Either way i would expect at least a 3 for 1 trade up, or a draft amd stash saving another coiple of million

MLE/pick order wouldn't affect the luxury tax. It's just total salary at the end of the season. So, if you did that, you'd make things worse.

Getting rid of that last couple million is hard. You still need the 14 slots filled. So, even if you consolidate/stash picks, you are replacing them with min contracts. I think it's doable & I like the basic trade idea, but the last mile gets tough.

I would hope for MEM pick top 4, then we you can dump Kanter, add 2 cheap replacements (2nd rounders, vet mins, Green, Semi, whatever) and you're there.
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Post#570 » by djFan71 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:55 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:If we do move Hayward I think Dallas is a great spot but we have to move the pieces for guys that fit basketball-wise and financially. Start with the base deal of THJ, Wright, #18 pick.

Atlanta has tons of cap space and needs a defensive backup PG like Wright. Re-route him there into their cap space. I don't think Wright brings that much more than Wanamaker that it'd be worth the extra money against our tax crunch for '20-21 and the multi-year committment.

THJ's expiring deal would allow us to take about $23M back in salary. Package that with pick(s) to get a better fitting piece. Can be a player under contract or via S&T. By re-routing Wright to Atlanta we have PLENTY of wiggle room under the tax. Expiring salary plus a mid 1st I think could get us a SOLID piece that fits both short and long term in that price range.

I like that.
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Post#571 » by hugepatsfan » Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:05 pm

How's this...

Hayward to DAL for #18/THJ/Wright.

Re-route Wright to ATL into cap space.

Re-route THJ/#18 (or upgrade to #14 if needed) to ORL for Aaron Gordon

Make follow up deals with later 1st to dump Kanter/Poirier

Use the FULL MLE on Ibaka as a 3&D center

Kemba / Smart
Brown / Romeo
Tatum / Semi or rookie
Gordon / G Williams
Ibaka / Theis / R Williams

Ibaka/Gordon would be a huge boost to defense and Ibaka's shooting offsets Gordon's. We'd be able to get under the tax and have a bunch of tradeable contracts going forward.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#572 » by 100proof » Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:08 pm

djFan71 wrote:
100proof wrote:
djFan71 wrote:Not once you sign the draft picks. Rough approximation on the picks since I was too lazy to go do 120% of scale on 19 & 26 right now...

Kemba 34.3791
Brown 22.883929
Smart 12.946428
Tatum 9.89712
Kanter 5.00535
Theis 5
Romeo 3.63120
Grant 2.49876
RWIII 2.02992
THJ 18.975
Wright 9
Pick 27 2.08308
Pick 17 2.96484
Pick 14 3.64404
Yabusele 1.03908
Jackson 0.092857
Green 0.1 (guarantee)

~$136M.


EDIT: This was also including Poirier in the trade and waiting til DAL signed 19 to complete it.



Right. But like i posted right above yours, I feel like you can use MLE then sign draft picks afterwards. Perhaps not.

Either way i would expect at least a 3 for 1 trade up, or a draft amd stash saving another coiple of million

MLE/pick order wouldn't affect the luxury tax. It's just total salary at the end of the season. So, if you did that, you'd make things worse.

Getting rid of that last couple million is hard. You still need the 14 slots filled. So, even if you consolidate/stash picks, you are replacing them with min contracts. I think it's doable & I like the basic trade idea, but the last mile gets tough.

I would hope for MEM pick top 4, then we you can dump Kanter, add 2 cheap replacements (2nd rounders, vet mins, Green, Semi, whatever) and you're there.



There is A good draft/stash options in the draft too. Cannot remember the name but there is a very young center from overseas who has a Kristap vibe to him, but needs another year or 2
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Post#573 » by djFan71 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:15 pm

100proof wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
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Right. But like i posted right above yours, I feel like you can use MLE then sign draft picks afterwards. Perhaps not.

Either way i would expect at least a 3 for 1 trade up, or a draft amd stash saving another coiple of million

MLE/pick order wouldn't affect the luxury tax. It's just total salary at the end of the season. So, if you did that, you'd make things worse.

Getting rid of that last couple million is hard. You still need the 14 slots filled. So, even if you consolidate/stash picks, you are replacing them with min contracts. I think it's doable & I like the basic trade idea, but the last mile gets tough.

I would hope for MEM pick top 4, then we you can dump Kanter, add 2 cheap replacements (2nd rounders, vet mins, Green, Semi, whatever) and you're there.



There is A good draft/stash options in the draft too. Cannot remember the name but there is a very young center from overseas who has a Kristap vibe to him, but needs another year or 2

I like patsfan's idea of routing Wright to ATL to get rid of this problem.
Going into the draft with stash intent in the first round causes you to skip the Giannises and get the Zizics and Yabus. Poku seems great, but may not last to 14, may not want to be stashed, etc.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#574 » by 100proof » Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:24 pm

djFan71 wrote:
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djFan71 wrote:MLE/pick order wouldn't affect the luxury tax. It's just total salary at the end of the season. So, if you did that, you'd make things worse.

Getting rid of that last couple million is hard. You still need the 14 slots filled. So, even if you consolidate/stash picks, you are replacing them with min contracts. I think it's doable & I like the basic trade idea, but the last mile gets tough.

I would hope for MEM pick top 4, then we you can dump Kanter, add 2 cheap replacements (2nd rounders, vet mins, Green, Semi, whatever) and you're there.



There is A good draft/stash options in the draft too. Cannot remember the name but there is a very young center from overseas who has a Kristap vibe to him, but needs another year or 2

I like patsfan's idea of routing Wright to ATL to get rid of this problem.
Going into the draft with stash intent in the first round causes you to skip the Giannises and get the Zizics and Yabus. Poku seems great, but may not last to 14, may not want to be stashed, etc.



I missed that idea, but yeah, wright and a pick to atlanta for reddish. Id do that lol.

Perhaps another option is wright and langford to chicago for cater jr or lauri
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Post#575 » by djFan71 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:47 am

hugepatsfan wrote:How's this...

Hayward to DAL for #18/THJ/Wright.

Re-route Wright to ATL into cap space.

Re-route THJ/#18 (or upgrade to #14 if needed) to ORL for Aaron Gordon

Make follow up deals with later 1st to dump Kanter/Poirier

Use the FULL MLE on Ibaka as a 3&D center

Kemba / Smart
Brown / Romeo
Tatum / Semi or rookie
Gordon / G Williams
Ibaka / Theis / R Williams

Ibaka/Gordon would be a huge boost to defense and Ibaka's shooting offsets Gordon's. We'd be able to get under the tax and have a bunch of tradeable contracts going forward.

Yeah, that's good work. Not a ton of salaries in the THJ range that make sense and are available. Gordon may or may not be, but it's conceivable for sure. Consolidating a pick, THJ into Gordon is pretty attractive. You could also go for Isaac/Aminu for THJ/14/18. See which one they're more in the mood to trade. Assumedly Gordon.

Even if you just keep THJ, MLE on Ibaka/Favors/some center, and keep all the picks, you're in great shape after gifting ATL Wright.

Kemba/THJ/Jaylen/Tatum/Favors or Ibaka
Smart/Romeo/Grant/Theis
Kanter/Timelord
14/18/26/30/Edwards/Poirier

You have plenty of maneuverability to get down to 14/15 and under the tax. Trade up/out for future picks, etc.

Random other THJ moves that aren't as exciting or as well thought thru:
SAS: THJ/Kanter/26 for Aldridge
CHI: THJ/Poirier/30 for Thad Young/Hutchinson (filler).
MIN: THJ/14/18/30 for James Johnson/3.
SAC: THJ/18 for Joseph/Holmes.
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Post#576 » by djFan71 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:30 am

Non-Dallas one that accomplishes similar goals:

BOS: Hayward, Kanter, #30 for Barnes, #12
SAC: Barnes, Bjelicia, #12 for Wiggins, #1 (GSW 20), #30
GSW: Wiggins, #1 for Hayward, Bjelicia (into TPE), Kanter

GSW reloads. Pays tax galore.
SAC is probably iffiest. But, they get #1 and Wiggins. Maybe they send Corey Joseph into GSW TPE instead of Bjelicia?

* Not positive it’s legal to use the TPE in the same trade. I think so, since it’s different players, but I always have to look that one up.

We duck the tax and upgrade to #12. Barnes could be serviceable and his contract is moveable and aligns with Kemba. And decreases annually.

Kemba, Jaylen, Tatum, Barnes, Theis
Smart, Romeo, Grant, Timelord
Edwards, 12, 14, 26, Poirier

We'd be ~$130M - Just a vet min under the tax with 14 guys. Could leave it open, sign a vet, keep Semi/Wanamaker/Green or some or 2nd rounders, etc. Ro do more deals with the free up space, consolidate picks, etc.


Options:
You could possibly still do Barnes, 14 for A Gordon and free up just about ~$10M to use the non-taxpayer MLE.
Then sign Ibaka and end up in the same place with 12/26/Gordon/Ibaka. Favors would be another option for MLE.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#577 » by 100proof » Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:09 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:How's this...

Hayward to DAL for #18/THJ/Wright.

Re-route Wright to ATL into cap space.

Re-route THJ/#18 (or upgrade to #14 if needed) to ORL for Aaron Gordon

Make follow up deals with later 1st to dump Kanter/Poirier

Use the FULL MLE on Ibaka as a 3&D center

Kemba / Smart
Brown / Romeo
Tatum / Semi or rookie
Gordon / G Williams
Ibaka / Theis / R Williams

Ibaka/Gordon would be a huge boost to defense and Ibaka's shooting offsets Gordon's. We'd be able to get under the tax and have a bunch of tradeable contracts going forward.



Yes. I would do that in a heartbeat. I love this deal.

Not sure on Ibaka, he would be a great fit for now, but I think we need to plan for further down the road as well as now.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#578 » by hugepatsfan » Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:14 pm

100proof wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:How's this...

Hayward to DAL for #18/THJ/Wright.

Re-route Wright to ATL into cap space.

Re-route THJ/#18 (or upgrade to #14 if needed) to ORL for Aaron Gordon

Make follow up deals with later 1st to dump Kanter/Poirier

Use the FULL MLE on Ibaka as a 3&D center

Kemba / Smart
Brown / Romeo
Tatum / Semi or rookie
Gordon / G Williams
Ibaka / Theis / R Williams

Ibaka/Gordon would be a huge boost to defense and Ibaka's shooting offsets Gordon's. We'd be able to get under the tax and have a bunch of tradeable contracts going forward.



Yes. I would do that in a heartbeat. I love this deal.

Not sure on Ibaka, he would be a great fit for now, but I think we need to plan for further down the road as well as now.


My thing with Ibaka was that if we pursue Aaron Gordon for PF, we need to get a stretch 5 to balance it out. Don’t think it would work with him if we don’t get a legit floor spacing 5. But if we do get that floor spacing 5 I think he would really maximize his potential here.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#579 » by 100proof » Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:44 pm

Here is another take on it.

https://tradenba.com/trades/EhpGVegye

Basically it is

Dallas in: Hayward, Edwards and Bucks pick #30
Dallas upgrades wing and adds a second playmaker and shooter for Luka

Wizards in: Delon Wright, Timelord and GSW 2nd from Dallas #31
Add depth and youth. Wright plays 2 positions, and timelord comes off bench behind Wagner. Add basically a first rounder

Magic in: Hardway Jr., Poirier, Memphis pick #14, Boston 2nd #47
Get better fit with Hardaway. Adds shooting and they add a second rounder and a lotto pick

Celtics in: Aaron Gordon, Thomas Bryant and Dallas first rounder #18
Boston gets what they need and save about 12.5 million before signing picks to payroll. I believe it allows team to use FULL MLE. So team would have Dallas first, Boston First and MLE to round out roster.

Kemba/Smart/Waters
Brown/Langford
Tatum/Semi
Gordon/GrantW
Theis/Bryant/Tacko
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#580 » by 100proof » Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:50 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
100proof wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:How's this...

Hayward to DAL for #18/THJ/Wright.

Re-route Wright to ATL into cap space.

Re-route THJ/#18 (or upgrade to #14 if needed) to ORL for Aaron Gordon

Make follow up deals with later 1st to dump Kanter/Poirier

Use the FULL MLE on Ibaka as a 3&D center

Kemba / Smart
Brown / Romeo
Tatum / Semi or rookie
Gordon / G Williams
Ibaka / Theis / R Williams

Ibaka/Gordon would be a huge boost to defense and Ibaka's shooting offsets Gordon's. We'd be able to get under the tax and have a bunch of tradeable contracts going forward.



Yes. I would do that in a heartbeat. I love this deal.

Not sure on Ibaka, he would be a great fit for now, but I think we need to plan for further down the road as well as now.


My thing with Ibaka was that if we pursue Aaron Gordon for PF, we need to get a stretch 5 to balance it out. Don’t think it would work with him if we don’t get a legit floor spacing 5. But if we do get that floor spacing 5 I think he would really maximize his potential here.


Yeah, I get the logic there. Just not sure that Ibaka is the guy, I mean he works, but is he an upgrade over Theis at this point? The draft alone can address the need for a 3andD center imo, and then the top choice for me would be to target Bryant from Washington.
40% from 3 this season on 2 per game while also grabbing 7 boards and swatting 1 shot per game in only 25 minutes and is only 23 years old. Also a very solid passer, is quick in transition and only has a 9 million dollar a year contract.

Only reason I think Washington considers moving him is they have Wagner and a reportedly very high on him.

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