2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

[DroughtsOverPHX]

Of all the bubble lotto teams, only Wiz and Kings have players representing it seems. Maybe with the short turnaround, most teams are electing to let the players get what time away they can? Maybe they asked and no one was interested because of COVID and JJ had to assume responsibilities himself. Who knows.

Dubs are sending Steph. Love to see him have that same look he had when Kyrie hit that shot in his face in game 7

Will he be chewing on his mouthpiece? I hope so. Love being grossed out watching tv <3

Even before there was covid it was weird. Hanging out of the mouth is gross but he uses his hands to put it back in.

[Slim Charless]

I really can't see Sarver opening up his wallet to get someone like Christian Wood or Jerami Grant. If we bring back Saric for around $11 million and Jevon Carter for $2.5 million, keep Payne for his $2 million, Suns are sitting at a salary cap of $98.4 million and that doesn't include the 2020 draft pick (10th pick projected to be $4.5 million, more if we move up to the top 4). If we do bring back Baynes then we are operating over the cap and could potentially use the full MLE. Again, knowing Sarver, doubt we do that.

Grants going to cost more than the MLE. I'd guess he gets $15mil per or a little more.

The path would be to let both Saric and Baynes walk to get under the cap enough to fit Grant in. Other route would be to take back less salary in a oubre deal then bring one of Baynes or Saric back with Grant.

Though my guess is Dever lets milsap leave and tries to resign Grant this fall. But he's a UFA so can leave if he wants to.

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I don't see why we'd need both of them. If we sign Grant then we have no use for Saric as Cam/Oubre would also be at the 4. So, if we pass on Saric that should give us the 15 or so we need to sign him to a deal. I'd rather that option as Grant is a much better defender and would allow us switch between him, Cam and KO as needed.

[Slim Charless]

I would do this in a heartbeat.
This would let us only need to re-sign Baynes (to backup Ayton), or Saric, and allow Markkanen to take the other role.
Then take Haliburton or someone with the Bulls pick.

Why in the world would Chicago do this? I suppose you could argue that they could really like Toppin or Deni as a replacement, which is a pretty good argument. Or they could be high on Ball or Edwards...not sure about Okongwu or Wiseman with Carter though.

Anyway, I think they want to keep Markkanen and that he is probably a large reason they got rid of Boylen. They also have a bunch of point guards, many that are not great pure or great PGs, so Ty Jerome is probably the last kind of guy they want, and who wants Kaminsky? Just for cap relief?

I don't even know how much I like Markkanen, even being an AZ guy. I mean, I DO like him, but as a fit with Ayton, not quite as much...in theory, if Ayton WAS a great defender who was ferocious inside when given space, AND could switch onto smaller guys when Lauri couldn't, it makes some sense, but there are too many question marks I think to pair them.

Now if it happened, I would still kind of be excited, because of the names and potential, but I'm not sure it's necessarily the best fit.

Yeah I expect the Bulls to see what Markannen can do in a new system. Now money would probably be the reason they might look to move him, he's probably going to want a big payday next summer and some team might throw a big contract at him as a RFA. Honestly his potential is more than his actual production at this point and that's the type of guy who can end up overpriced.

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I like Lauri as much as the next guy but I think that Chicago would be elated to trade up to the number #1 overall pick. Edwards is a great fit on that team with as much as their PGs love shooting the three. Edwards can work his bully ball inside and slash to the hoop while they give him space. Wiseman is also a great prospect and not someone that WCJ would keep anyone from picking. Boylen needed to be fired but I seem to remember that LaVine lead that revolt, not LM. To say that LM is worth more then the number 1 overall pick is quite the massive leap imo. What would you think he's worth?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Why in the world would Chicago do this? I suppose you could argue that they could really like Toppin or Deni as a replacement, which is a pretty good argument. Or they could be high on Ball or Edwards...not sure about Okongwu or Wiseman with Carter though.

Anyway, I think they want to keep Markkanen and that he is probably a large reason they got rid of Boylen. They also have a bunch of point guards, many that are not great pure or great PGs, so Ty Jerome is probably the last kind of guy they want, and who wants Kaminsky? Just for cap relief?

I don't even know how much I like Markkanen, even being an AZ guy. I mean, I DO like him, but as a fit with Ayton, not quite as much...in theory, if Ayton WAS a great defender who was ferocious inside when given space, AND could switch onto smaller guys when Lauri couldn't, it makes some sense, but there are too many question marks I think to pair them.

Now if it happened, I would still kind of be excited, because of the names and potential, but I'm not sure it's necessarily the best fit.

Yeah I expect the Bulls to see what Markannen can do in a new system. Now money would probably be the reason they might look to move him, he's probably going to want a big payday next summer and some team might throw a big contract at him as a RFA. Honestly his potential is more than his actual production at this point and that's the type of guy who can end up overpriced.

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I like Lauri as much as the next guy but I think that Chicago would be elated to trade up to the number #1 overall pick. Edwards is a great fit on that team with as much as their PGs love shooting the three. Edwards can work his bully ball inside and slash to the hoop while they give him space. Wiseman is also a great prospect and not someone that WCJ would keep anyone from picking. Boylen needed to be fired but I seem to remember that LaVine lead that revolt, not LM. To say that LM is worth more then the number 1 overall pick is quite the massive leap imo. What would you think he's worth?

Yeah I didn't word that right I actually do think that's something Chicago would consider if the suns landed 1. I was just saying in general I expect Lauri to stick around now more than before. Lavine was the most vocal Boylan hater but I heard Lauri wasn't happy either and that spurred some trade speculation last deadline.

PS on the earlier post on Grant I agree that if you sign him you wouldn't need Saric back. Actually one scenario I'd like would be trade oubre for Kennard, use that space to sign Grant. Starting lineup of Rubio Booker Bridges Grant, Ayton. Kennard and Cam play a ton off the bench then find a backup C with the room MLE and have the draft pick and guys like Payne Carter, ect battle for the remaining rotation minutes. That's a pretty damn nice top 7 rotation.

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[bwgood77]

Why in the world would Chicago do this? I suppose you could argue that they could really like Toppin or Deni as a replacement, which is a pretty good argument. Or they could be high on Ball or Edwards...not sure about Okongwu or Wiseman with Carter though.

Anyway, I think they want to keep Markkanen and that he is probably a large reason they got rid of Boylen. They also have a bunch of point guards, many that are not great pure or great PGs, so Ty Jerome is probably the last kind of guy they want, and who wants Kaminsky? Just for cap relief?

I don't even know how much I like Markkanen, even being an AZ guy. I mean, I DO like him, but as a fit with Ayton, not quite as much...in theory, if Ayton WAS a great defender who was ferocious inside when given space, AND could switch onto smaller guys when Lauri couldn't, it makes some sense, but there are too many question marks I think to pair them.

Now if it happened, I would still kind of be excited, because of the names and potential, but I'm not sure it's necessarily the best fit.

Yeah I expect the Bulls to see what Markannen can do in a new system. Now money would probably be the reason they might look to move him, he's probably going to want a big payday next summer and some team might throw a big contract at him as a RFA. Honestly his potential is more than his actual production at this point and that's the type of guy who can end up overpriced.

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I like Lauri as much as the next guy but I think that Chicago would be elated to trade up to the number #1 overall pick. Edwards is a great fit on that team with as much as their PGs love shooting the three. Edwards can work his bully ball inside and slash to the hoop while they give him space. Wiseman is also a great prospect and not someone that WCJ would keep anyone from picking. Boylen needed to be fired but I seem to remember that LaVine lead that revolt, not LM. To say that LM is worth more then the number 1 overall pick is quite the massive leap imo. What would you think he's worth?

I guess you are kind of responding to both of us. It's funny, it sounded like a crazy thought at the time given the weak draft, and how they seemed to, at least sort of view Lauri as a cornerstone before this crazy Boylen season. Based on this last season, if you think that's what he is, I'd probably take either of the top PFs (on my board, meaning Deni or Obi) over him. Okongwu might be better than Carter, but he's not a good combo with him and not a good replacement to stretch the floor for him..not a guy I think a team would take #1 though.

It's just hard. The PFs I mentioned don't feel like #1 picks to me, though to be honest, Ball and Edwards don't either. Wiseman? Maybe, based on picks like Ayton and Towns, but are teams going to really keep drafting bigs #1 with the way the NBA is going? There is no good tape on him either against any sort of decent competition...at least not much.

So, having said that I probably prefer the PFs I like I my board to Lauri, and the fact, they are on rookie scales for 4 more years, I'd keep the pick, or potentially work a trade down.

Though trade downs only can be executed if the guy you want is there, so they are a risk as well. But if you are good with Obi or Deni, for example, and someone wants Ball, you could know trading from 1 to 3 is a safe trade. You could even make a contingent deal based on a later pick, however, if your guy isn't there with a later pick, you have to be ready to keep the guy you select for the other team if your player isn't there.

While #1 always feels like a good spot to be in, like others have said, sometimes I would rather have a lower pick. I wouldn't be surprised if you surveyed all 30 teams if you had like 5-7 different guys at the top of big boards....but I also imagine many teams are working in tiers, which I think will make it more difficult to move down and get any reasonable compensation.

[bwgood77]

Yeah I expect the Bulls to see what Markannen can do in a new system. Now money would probably be the reason they might look to move him, he's probably going to want a big payday next summer and some team might throw a big contract at him as a RFA. Honestly his potential is more than his actual production at this point and that's the type of guy who can end up overpriced.

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I like Lauri as much as the next guy but I think that Chicago would be elated to trade up to the number #1 overall pick. Edwards is a great fit on that team with as much as their PGs love shooting the three. Edwards can work his bully ball inside and slash to the hoop while they give him space. Wiseman is also a great prospect and not someone that WCJ would keep anyone from picking. Boylen needed to be fired but I seem to remember that LaVine lead that revolt, not LM. To say that LM is worth more then the number 1 overall pick is quite the massive leap imo. What would you think he's worth?

Yeah I didn't word that right I actually do think that's something Chicago would consider if the suns landed 1. I was just saying in general I expect Lauri to stick around now more than before. Lavine was the most vocal Boylan hater but I heard Lauri wasn't happy either and that spurred some trade speculation last deadline.

PS on the earlier post on Grant I agree that if you sign him you wouldn't need Saric back. Actually one scenario I'd like would be trade oubre for Kennard, use that space to sign Grant. Starting lineup of Rubio Booker Bridges Grant, Ayton. Kennard and Cam play a ton off the bench then find a backup C with the room MLE and have the draft pick and guys like Payne Carter, ect battle for the remaining rotation minutes. That's a pretty damn nice top 7 rotation.

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The Pistons have extra cap space to absorb right? I was actually just looking at their salary cap...and not sure what they will do with holds, but if we did want to trade Oubre for Kennard and clear space for next year, we could possibly add Snell to the deal which matches (though he would have to exercise his PO, which I'm sure he will). Now I don't know much about him...obviously you know more since he played for the Bucks...but he's a wing who shoots 40% from 3....so do give us that backup to Bridges, Cam, while getting Kennard to be that third guard off the bench, while opening up some cap space for 2021 with Snell expiring (though we would have Kennard on the QO so not sure of his cap hold)....that might be an option.

Of course this doesn't help you with Grant.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I like Lauri as much as the next guy but I think that Chicago would be elated to trade up to the number #1 overall pick. Edwards is a great fit on that team with as much as their PGs love shooting the three. Edwards can work his bully ball inside and slash to the hoop while they give him space. Wiseman is also a great prospect and not someone that WCJ would keep anyone from picking. Boylen needed to be fired but I seem to remember that LaVine lead that revolt, not LM. To say that LM is worth more then the number 1 overall pick is quite the massive leap imo. What would you think he's worth?

Yeah I didn't word that right I actually do think that's something Chicago would consider if the suns landed 1. I was just saying in general I expect Lauri to stick around now more than before. Lavine was the most vocal Boylan hater but I heard Lauri wasn't happy either and that spurred some trade speculation last deadline.

PS on the earlier post on Grant I agree that if you sign him you wouldn't need Saric back. Actually one scenario I'd like would be trade oubre for Kennard, use that space to sign Grant. Starting lineup of Rubio Booker Bridges Grant, Ayton. Kennard and Cam play a ton off the bench then find a backup C with the room MLE and have the draft pick and guys like Payne Carter, ect battle for the remaining rotation minutes. That's a pretty damn nice top 7 rotation.

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The Pistons have extra cap space to absorb right? I was actually just looking at their salary cap...and not sure what they will do with holds, but if we did want to trade Oubre for Kennard and clear space for next year, we could possibly add Snell to the deal which matches (though he would have to exercise his PO, which I'm sure he will). Now I don't know much about him...obviously you know more since he played for the Bucks...but he's a wing who shoots 40% from 3....so do give us that backup to Bridges, Cam, while getting Kennard to be that third guard off the bench, while opening up some cap space for 2021 with Snell expiring (though we would have Kennard on the QO so not sure of his cap hold)....that might be an option.

Of course this doesn't help you with Grant.

Yeah the Pistons will have space and could easily absorb the difference in oubre and Kennards contract.

If they insisted on sending Snell back I'd be less interested because I think oubre is better than Kennard but you're paying for the extra cap space in my original idea. Snelly Cat can be somewhat useful as a 10th man type if you only ask him to stand in the corner and launch 3s, he has flashes of being ok on D but other than that he's doesn't give you much. Bucks paid a 1st rounder last year to get off his deal.

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[SunsLyf3]

I saw the following suggested on a FB group but how about Rubio, Oubre, 10th overall for Jrue and JJ Reddick?

Jrue/Carter/Payne
Book/JJ
Mikal/vet
Cam/Saric
Ayton/Baynes

[nevetsov]

I saw the following suggested on a FB group bit how about Rubio, Oubre, 10th overall for Jrue and JJ Reddick?

Jrue/Carter/Payne
Book/JJ
Mikal/vet
Cam/Saric
Ayton/Baynes

Tough to even think about moving a starter after we just went 8-0. Rubio has given us so much this year. That said, you'd definitely have to consider a deal like this.

[SunsLyf3]

I saw the following suggested on a FB group bit how about Rubio, Oubre, 10th overall for Jrue and JJ Reddick?

Jrue/Carter/Payne
Book/JJ
Mikal/vet
Cam/Saric
Ayton/Baynes

Tough to even think about moving a starter after we just went 8-0. Rubio has given us so much this year. That said, you'd definitely have to consider a deal like this.

I agree but Holiday is an upgrade and we fill the backup SG role. On top of that we keep flexibility for 2021 FA.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I saw the following suggested on a FB group but how about Rubio, Oubre, 10th overall for Jrue and JJ Reddick?

Jrue/Carter/Payne
Book/JJ
Mikal/vet
Cam/Saric
Ayton/Baynes

It's interesting. Jrue doesn't like to nor has really played PG the last couple years but I like Point Book so sure I'm down for that deal.

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[Slim Charless]

Yeah I expect the Bulls to see what Markannen can do in a new system. Now money would probably be the reason they might look to move him, he's probably going to want a big payday next summer and some team might throw a big contract at him as a RFA. Honestly his potential is more than his actual production at this point and that's the type of guy who can end up overpriced.

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I like Lauri as much as the next guy but I think that Chicago would be elated to trade up to the number #1 overall pick. Edwards is a great fit on that team with as much as their PGs love shooting the three. Edwards can work his bully ball inside and slash to the hoop while they give him space. Wiseman is also a great prospect and not someone that WCJ would keep anyone from picking. Boylen needed to be fired but I seem to remember that LaVine lead that revolt, not LM. To say that LM is worth more then the number 1 overall pick is quite the massive leap imo. What would you think he's worth?

I guess you are kind of responding to both of us. It's funny, it sounded like a crazy thought at the time given the weak draft, and how they seemed to, at least sort of view Lauri as a cornerstone before this crazy Boylen season. Based on this last season, if you think that's what he is, I'd probably take either of the top PFs (on my board, meaning Deni or Obi) over him. Okongwu might be better than Carter, but he's not a good combo with him and not a good replacement to stretch the floor for him..not a guy I think a team would take #1 though.

It's just hard. The PFs I mentioned don't feel like #1 picks to me, though to be honest, Ball and Edwards don't either. Wiseman? Maybe, based on picks like Ayton and Towns, but are teams going to really keep drafting bigs #1 with the way the NBA is going? There is no good tape on him either against any sort of decent competition...at least not much.

So, having said that I probably prefer the PFs I like I my board to Lauri, and the fact, they are on rookie scales for 4 more years, I'd keep the pick, or potentially work a trade down.

Though trade downs only can be executed if the guy you want is there, so they are a risk as well. But if you are good with Obi or Deni, for example, and someone wants Ball, you could know trading from 1 to 3 is a safe trade. You could even make a contingent deal based on a later pick, however, if your guy isn't there with a later pick, you have to be ready to keep the guy you select for the other team if your player isn't there.

While #1 always feels like a good spot to be in, like others have said, sometimes I would rather have a lower pick. I wouldn't be surprised if you surveyed all 30 teams if you had like 5-7 different guys at the top of big boards....but I also imagine many teams are working in tiers, which I think will make it more difficult to move down and get any reasonable compensation.

Ok. Couple of things here. I don't know if I agree about KAT, I think that even if they had it to do over again they take him and so would most other teams in that position. KP is too injury prone. Booker would be the other choice but defense aside KAT is a monster to deal with on a night to night basis. He puts up what 26 and 11 every night while shooting over .400 from 3 point range? That's about the best you ask for from a big nowadays.

As to what CHI would do I personally would take Edwards and not look back. Lavine and White can shoot all the threes they want while Edwards does his thing and pushes around other Gs. They can find another big and move WCJ to the 4 or just keep him at C and run a small lineup. Deni is possible too if they want more size at the wing but Edwards weaknesses fit nicely with what their other guards do. Lamelo might not be the best pick but Wiseman could still work with WCJ especially if 1 of them can get more range on their shots. As you mentioned Toppin would be yet another player who would fit perfectly next to WCJ as he has great range for a big.

None of this goes to what they could trade the pick for. All in all if we were to offer them that deal they'd put us on hold long enough to run around high fiving each other before getting back on to accept.

[Slim Charless]

I saw the following suggested on a FB group but how about Rubio, Oubre, 10th overall for Jrue and JJ Reddick?

Jrue/Carter/Payne
Book/JJ
Mikal/vet
Cam/Saric
Ayton/Baynes

It's interesting. Jrue doesn't like to nor has really played PG the last couple years but I like Point Book so sure I'm down for that deal.

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I like this trade on paper as it gives us even more defense at the 1 and JJ's shooting is welcome on any team. But I'd worry a lot about messing with chemistry too much. I do like that idea of Oubre to Detroit tho. I think that's one of the few teams that's perfect for him as they don't have any guys like him on the team. The corpses of Blake and DRose isn't gonna do much. Let Kelly go over there and he can get people excited about basketball if he performs there like he has here. They should have a ton of room-despite that awful Blake contract so there's no problem paying him.

Kennard can fit in on the bench as a range guy and this allows us to sign Grant if we wanted to while still keeping our pick for whoever the best guy available that drops to us.

[SunsLyf3]

I saw the following suggested on a FB group but how about Rubio, Oubre, 10th overall for Jrue and JJ Reddick?

Jrue/Carter/Payne
Book/JJ
Mikal/vet
Cam/Saric
Ayton/Baynes

It's interesting. Jrue doesn't like to nor has really played PG the last couple years but I like Point Book so sure I'm down for that deal.

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I like this trade on paper as it gives us even more defense at the 1 and JJ's shooting is welcome on any team. But I'd worry a lot about messing with chemistry too much. I do like that idea of Oubre to Detroit tho. I think that's one of the few teams that's perfect for him as they don't have any guys like him on the team. The corpses of Blake and DRose isn't gonna do much. Let Kelly go over there and he can get people excited about basketball if he performs there like he has here. They should have a ton of room-despite that awful Blake contract so there's no problem paying him.

Kennard can fit in on the bench as a range guy and this allows us to sign Grant if we wanted to while still keeping our pick for whoever the best guy available that drops to us.

I'd be onboard with Snell and Kennard for KO.

Rubio/Carter/Payne
Book/Kennard
Mikal/Snell
Cam/Saric
Ayton/Baynes

That is a well balanced roster with multiple defensive wings and decent offense off of the bench.

[bwgood77]

I like Lauri as much as the next guy but I think that Chicago would be elated to trade up to the number #1 overall pick. Edwards is a great fit on that team with as much as their PGs love shooting the three. Edwards can work his bully ball inside and slash to the hoop while they give him space. Wiseman is also a great prospect and not someone that WCJ would keep anyone from picking. Boylen needed to be fired but I seem to remember that LaVine lead that revolt, not LM. To say that LM is worth more then the number 1 overall pick is quite the massive leap imo. What would you think he's worth?

I guess you are kind of responding to both of us. It's funny, it sounded like a crazy thought at the time given the weak draft, and how they seemed to, at least sort of view Lauri as a cornerstone before this crazy Boylen season. Based on this last season, if you think that's what he is, I'd probably take either of the top PFs (on my board, meaning Deni or Obi) over him. Okongwu might be better than Carter, but he's not a good combo with him and not a good replacement to stretch the floor for him..not a guy I think a team would take #1 though.

It's just hard. The PFs I mentioned don't feel like #1 picks to me, though to be honest, Ball and Edwards don't either. Wiseman? Maybe, based on picks like Ayton and Towns, but are teams going to really keep drafting bigs #1 with the way the NBA is going? There is no good tape on him either against any sort of decent competition...at least not much.

So, having said that I probably prefer the PFs I like I my board to Lauri, and the fact, they are on rookie scales for 4 more years, I'd keep the pick, or potentially work a trade down.

Though trade downs only can be executed if the guy you want is there, so they are a risk as well. But if you are good with Obi or Deni, for example, and someone wants Ball, you could know trading from 1 to 3 is a safe trade. You could even make a contingent deal based on a later pick, however, if your guy isn't there with a later pick, you have to be ready to keep the guy you select for the other team if your player isn't there.

While #1 always feels like a good spot to be in, like others have said, sometimes I would rather have a lower pick. I wouldn't be surprised if you surveyed all 30 teams if you had like 5-7 different guys at the top of big boards....but I also imagine many teams are working in tiers, which I think will make it more difficult to move down and get any reasonable compensation.

Ok. Couple of things here. I don't know if I agree about KAT, I think that even if they had it to do over again they take him and so would most other teams in that position. KP is too injury prone. Booker would be the other choice but defense aside KAT is a monster to deal with on a night to night basis. He puts up what 26 and 11 every night while shooting over .400 from 3 point range? That's about the best you ask for from a big nowadays.

As to what CHI would do I personally would take Edwards and not look back. Lavine and White can shoot all the threes they want while Edwards does his thing and pushes around other Gs. They can find another big and move WCJ to the 4 or just keep him at C and run a small lineup. Deni is possible too if they want more size at the wing but Edwards weaknesses fit nicely with what their other guards do. Lamelo might not be the best pick but Wiseman could still work with WCJ especially if 1 of them can get more range on their shots. As you mentioned Toppin would be yet another player who would fit perfectly next to WCJ as he has great range for a big.

None of this goes to what they could trade the pick for. All in all if we were to offer them that deal they'd put us on hold long enough to run around high fiving each other before getting back on to accept.

Oh yeah, Towns still goes 1 in that redraft, but he was a higher level prospect in recent drafts. I was saying I think Wiseman SEEMS like he is a guy people would take #1, based on dominant bigs, when there, going #1 recently. I wasn't saying that was a mistake. He is the best shooting pure C probably ever based on volume and % from 3. Wiseman has many more question marks though given lack of play. He could be absolutely dominant. And given that he was #1 coming into the draft and no one who was ranked high really wowed throughout the season, taking him #1 still seems like the type of pick that would normally go #1. But bigs are less value and there are a lot of unknowns with him.

There are not really many proven guys....Deni obviously won MVP in his league, has perfect size and can pass and shoot, so he feels proven and a pretty sure thing. Obi won national player of the year, and while there are question marks about guarding wings or even bigs, along with some questions about shooting form, he's proven he wins and makes a difference. Halliburton has great #s, as does Vassell. Most of the others you are betting on like with DSJr, Fultz, Ntilikina, Lonzo Ball...that a much more heralded pg class than this one. I've mentioned before, it seems like PGs often flourish more later in their careers after switching teams, like Lowry or Dragic or even guys like Nash get much better. Few PGs seem to come in and really make a difference quickly. Ja is kind of an exception along with Trae....and interestingly enough, those guys were both guys that were not even on draft radars to begin the year...not all based on HS type, but proven college play...they rose on draft boards, and just how they proved themselves in college, they did so in the NBA. Toppin kind of has that same story, though of course not a PG...but wasn't highly ranked to begin with so many will only have him so high, and flaws will be magnified. Ja probably wouldn't have gone really high if last year's draft didn't stink so much outside of the top 2 and Clarke at the time of the draft, though Clarke wasn't ever highly rated either or a top prospect, and people picked him apart based on length, shooting form, etc.

[nevetsov]

I'd be onboard with Snell and Kennard for KO.

Rubio/Carter/Payne
Book/Kennard
Mikal/Snell
Cam/Saric
Ayton/Baynes

That is a well balanced roster with multiple defensive wings and decent offense off of the bench.

That's not bad, although given we give up the best player in the trade, and the contracts are all expiring (making that a wash), I'd push for a #10 for #6 pick swap as well. I don't think that's asking too much and it allows us to target a PGOF.

Rubio/Payne/PGOF
Book/Kennard/ Carter
Mikal/Snell
Cam/Saric
Ayton/Baynes

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Would you do Ayton, Oubre, and Jerome for Embiid? Works perfectly salary wise.

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[Mjee]

Would you do Ayton, Oubre, and Jerome for Embiid? Works perfectly salary wise.

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In a millisecond !!!!!! Anybody that says no is delusional

[Wilber85]

Would you do Ayton, Oubre, and Jerome for Embiid? Works perfectly salary wise.

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In a millisecond !!!!!! Anybody that says no is delusional

I must be delusional! I think Ayton will be better than Embiid . Plus I think Oubre and pick can get us Markannen.

Markannen and Ayton > Embiid