The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5)

[MisterHibachi]

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Not sure if we should start paying attention to that groin issue at this point. I thought it was just a euphemism for rest during the seeding games, but it's still on the injury report in the playoffs.

[Greyhound]

2-3 months ago (when they were just getting plans for resuming the season worked out [and when the last view anyone had of the Lakers they were downright scary]), there were posters preemptively saying that the playoffs this year [and whoever won them] would forever have an asterisk next to them.

However, if the Lakers fall in the first round [or ANY round prior to the finals], these same people will forthwith [and forever] cite this year's playoffs as carrying the full/normal measure of relevance as any other year.

I agree.

If LeBron and the Lakers win, there will be talk of asterisk. If they fall, it will be LeBron failed again (3-7 jokes if he falls in the Finals).

That will happen.

That is similar to this thinking, "Lebron can only enhance his legacy, nothing he does can hurt his standing."

Very convenient isn't it......

That is not similar to what I said.

I agreed with the other poster that the bubble championship will be diminished if LeBron wins it (according to the hate brigade). If he loses it however, It will be judged like any other loss would be judged.

That is a prediction offered by one individual and agreed upon by me. There is nothing about LeBron only being able to add in there.

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That having been said, LeBron is at a point where most of what he achieves will only help add to what he has accomplished. For the most part he is fixed where he is (top five all time great/ GOAT SF). Any decline in his play at this point will only confirm that he is over the hill/ washed up.

A player does not fall from being a top five all time great because of their poor end of career play (season 15 and beyond). At that point only scandal, controversy or criminal prosecution can diminish a players standing.

[yoyoboy]

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So as far as G2 adjustments:

- The McGee experiment needs to end. Start Morris and don't play JaVale more than 5 minutes
- No drop coverage ever against Lillard out of the PnR
- Play Dion
- More LeBron-Davis PnR. Why did they run it a few times in the first half and then go away from it?
- Make Portland pay for packing the paint by actually hitting some shots

[homecourtloss]

How exactly did he get 15 assists?

He's putting tons of pressure on the defense, if he couldn't score anymore they wouldn't be double teaming him and packing the paint. They just have to make shots. I agree with you he can't just bend the defense by just attacking straight into it like he could when he was young. But tbh besides the beginning of the game (which I missed) I thought Lebron played fine to good.

The shot quality the Lakers were getting out of his creation was quite good IMO (the shooters on the other hand). They make any of those paint gets unpacked, Whiteside probably gets benched and he scores more easily.

Yeah he looked mostly fine to me. He'll adjust throughout the series as he always has, and he's made due before in 12/15/16 with a broken jumper.

What is up with Davis though??? Is it a ripple effect of Vogel's poorly spaced lineups? He's at his best offensively rolling/moving weakside or with a weird craftiness with his touch inside 10ft off a mid/low face up, but this entire bubble has seen him settle into a 10-15ft jump shooter instead and that's been a recipe for disaster so far. There's little need for secondary pressure on him when that's 75% of his shot breakdown, and that just **** up the spacing further.

In August he is 15 for 86 outside of 3 ft, and 25% eFG on jumpshots.

Elgee seems to think he's gained weight.

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Elgee trying to get our of his “AD top 5” ridiculous comment earlier.

[JordansBulls]

I'll tell you that I think being away from wife for 2-3 months and no sex gotta be difficult as hell.

[TheGOATRises007]

Yeah he looked mostly fine to me. He'll adjust throughout the series as he always has, and he's made due before in 12/15/16 with a broken jumper.

What is up with Davis though??? Is it a ripple effect of Vogel's poorly spaced lineups? He's at his best offensively rolling/moving weakside or with a weird craftiness with his touch inside 10ft off a mid/low face up, but this entire bubble has seen him settle into a 10-15ft jump shooter instead and that's been a recipe for disaster so far. There's little need for secondary pressure on him when that's 75% of his shot breakdown, and that just **** up the spacing further.

In August he is 15 for 86 outside of 3 ft, and 25% eFG on jumpshots.

Elgee seems to think he's gained weight.

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Elgee trying to get our of his “AD top 5” ridiculous comment earlier.

Top 5 in today's NBA?

I wouldn't agree with that, but is it that ridiculous?

[Heej]

Another adjustment to add.

If McGee/ Howard are gonna play next to AD.

They need to Theis roll to the basket and not roll for the lob. Just clear Whiteside out of the way and go for tip ins. I.e. what they did to Lopez in that March game.

Yup, as i mentioned earlier that's the most obvious and simplest adjustment. Gotta stop looking for their own points and OREBs. It is what it is. It's playoff time now. This kind of selfishness wouldn't be an issue if we publicly tracked screen assists

[GSP]

Yeah he looked mostly fine to me. He'll adjust throughout the series as he always has, and he's made due before in 12/15/16 with a broken jumper.

What is up with Davis though??? Is it a ripple effect of Vogel's poorly spaced lineups? He's at his best offensively rolling/moving weakside or with a weird craftiness with his touch inside 10ft off a mid/low face up, but this entire bubble has seen him settle into a 10-15ft jump shooter instead and that's been a recipe for disaster so far. There's little need for secondary pressure on him when that's 75% of his shot breakdown, and that just **** up the spacing further.

In August he is 15 for 86 outside of 3 ft, and 25% eFG on jumpshots.

Elgee seems to think he's gained weight.

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Elgee trying to get our of his “AD top 5” ridiculous comment earlier.

He implied a healthy Ad in a better situation could be the best player in the league too in that top 10 players video

[Basileus777]

Elgee seems to think he's gained weight.

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Elgee trying to get our of his “AD top 5” ridiculous comment earlier.

Top 5 in today's NBA?

I wouldn't agree with that, but is it that ridiculous?

Ridiculous no, but you have to really love his defense to believe that as it's tough to justify AD's offense as even belonging in a top 10.

[TheGOATRises007]

Elgee trying to get our of his “AD top 5” ridiculous comment earlier.

Top 5 in today's NBA?

I wouldn't agree with that, but is it that ridiculous?

Ridiculous no, but you have to really love his defense to believe that as it's tough to justify AD's offense as even belonging in a top 10.

You don't think he's top 10?

[Basileus777]

Top 5 in today's NBA?

I wouldn't agree with that, but is it that ridiculous?

Ridiculous no, but you have to really love his defense to believe that as it's tough to justify AD's offense as even belonging in a top 10.

You don't think he's top 10?

On offense? No. There are too many top end wings and guards that just control and impact the game more on that end than him. And there's also Jokic.

[TheGOATRises007]

Ridiculous no, but you have to really love his defense to believe that as it's tough to justify AD's offense as even belonging in a top 10.

You don't think he's top 10?

On offense? No. There are too many top end wings and guards that just control and impact the game more on that end than him. And there's also Jokic.

I thought we were talking about overall and not offense only.

[homecourtloss]

Elgee trying to get our of his “AD top 5” ridiculous comment earlier.

Top 5 in today's NBA?
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I wouldn't agree with that, but is it that ridiculous?

Ridiculous no, but you have to really love his defense to believe that as it's tough to justify AD's offense as even belonging in a top 10.

The Lakers’ defense has fallen off of a cliff all season with AD on court and LeBron off. You can’t be a DPOY candidate with these numbers as no impact defensive big maybe ever has had Davis’s numbers with LeBron off court. I was shocked how elgee of all people handwaived away all the impact stats.

[homecourtloss]

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Elgee trying to get our of his “AD top 5” ridiculous comment earlier.

He implied a healthy Ad in a better situation could be the best player in the league too in that top 10 players video

If he were legitimately a top 5 player or contender even for best player in the NBA, then the Lakers might have lost 6-7 times at most with LeBron playing the way he was pre bubble.

[GSP]

The Clippers have a SERIOUS problem with the Mavs. This mightve been 2-0 Mavs w/o Kp ejection

Man no team looks amazing. I forgot how fun the playoffs were before there was a rigged juggernaut

[homecourtloss]

The Clippers have a SERIOUS problem with the Mavs. This mightve been 2-0 Mavs w/o Kp ejection

Man no team looks amazing. I forgot how fun the playoffs were before there was a rigged juggernaut

It’s empty gym practice parity. You often hear about players who light it up in practice but rarely does it translate into live games in front of crowds and now you’re seeing this in an extended version and a peek into those practice games that we don’t see.

The mental aspect of playing in front of live crowds, after travel, with all the distractions, etc., is what separates all the greats in every sport.

[G35]

I agree.

If LeBron and the Lakers win, there will be talk of asterisk. If they fall, it will be LeBron failed again (3-7 jokes if he falls in the Finals).

That will happen.

That is similar to this thinking, "Lebron can only enhance his legacy, nothing he does can hurt his standing."

Very convenient isn't it......

That is not similar to what I said.

I agreed with the other poster that the bubble championship will be diminished if LeBron wins it (according to the hate brigade). If he loses it however, It will be judged like any other loss would be judged.

That is a prediction offered by one individual and agreed upon by me. There is nothing about LeBron only being able to add in there.

...

That having been said, LeBron is at a point where most of what he achieves will only help add to what he has accomplished. For the most part he is fixed where he is (top five all time great/ GOAT SF). Any decline in his play at this point will only confirm that he is over the hill/ washed up.

A player does not fall from being a top five all time great because of their poor end of career play (season 15 and beyond). At that point only scandal, controversy or criminal prosecution can diminish a players standing.

I will admit that I was replying more to trex and your post was included.

Also, there is a sweet spot where players do not "fall" from their perceived position but that is temporary as new fans come around.

If players never "fell" then Bill Russell and Wilt would still be at the top.

Magic and Bird would never fall.

Julius Erving would never fall.

Michael Jordan would always stay at #1.

A players legacy is temporary at best...as we have seen in American society...history is always being re-examined and sometimes seen as wanting when a new generation applies their modern take......

[Greyhound]

That is similar to this thinking, "Lebron can only enhance his legacy, nothing he does can hurt his standing."

Very convenient isn't it......

That is not similar to what I said.

I agreed with the other poster that the bubble championship will be diminished if LeBron wins it (according to the hate brigade). If he loses it however, It will be judged like any other loss would be judged.

That is a prediction offered by one individual and agreed upon by me. There is nothing about LeBron only being able to add in there.

...

That having been said, LeBron is at a point where most of what he achieves will only help add to what he has accomplished. For the most part he is fixed where he is (top five all time great/ GOAT SF). Any decline in his play at this point will only confirm that he is over the hill/ washed up.

A player does not fall from being a top five all time great because of their poor end of career play (season 15 and beyond). At that point only scandal, controversy or criminal prosecution can diminish a players standing.

I will admit that I was replying more to trex and your post was included.

Also, there is a sweet spot where players do not "fall" from their perceived position but that is temporary as new fans come around.

If players never "fell" then Bill Russell and Wilt would still be at the top.

Magic and Bird would never fall.

Julius Erving would never fall.

Michael Jordan would always stay at #1.

A players legacy is temporary at best...as we have seen in American society...history is always being re-examined and sometimes seen as wanting when a new generation applies their modern take......

The sweet spot is nonsense. The players you mentioned did not fall, others came along and supplanted them.

That could be the case with LeBron and Jordan as well. Others may come along and push them down the list. If enough of these others manifest they could find themselves outside of the top 5.

Being supplanted by another great is not the same thing as losing standing due to poor play late in your career.

Why would an old LeBron lose his standing as a top five all time great because he lost a first round series (to an eighth seed), in a pandemic disrupted seventeenth season.

That is not logical.

[Mos_Heat]

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Elgee trying to get our of his “AD top 5” ridiculous comment earlier.

Top 5 in today's NBA?

I wouldn't agree with that, but is it that ridiculous?

I mean, Bam somewhere in 15-25 range and I don't think LAL would be significantly worse if you switch him with AD

[Mos_Heat]

The Clippers have a SERIOUS problem with the Mavs. This mightve been 2-0 Mavs w/o Kp ejection

Man no team looks amazing. I forgot how fun the playoffs were before there was a rigged juggernaut

Rick Carlisle pushed 14' Spurs to game 7. No one should be surprised