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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#781 » by the_process » Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:06 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Chris Paul for Tobias and Scott

JRich , Horford and OKC 1st for Hield and Barnes,

Paul/Shake
Hield/ Zhaire
Thybulle/ korkmaz
Simmons/ Barnes
Embiid / ——free agent Pelle


Pretty sure at the very least you would have to give 21 to OKC, and then only if Gallo walks is there a chance that can get done now. Which means you would be trading at least one and probably two future 1sts to SAC for that deal to get done. I mean, it’s probably worth it at this point but God that’s a ton to pay. Thanks Elton.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#782 » by Sportfan73 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:38 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Chris Paul for Tobias and Scott

JRich , Horford and OKC 1st for Hield and Barnes,

Paul/Shake
Hield/ Zhaire
Thybulle/ korkmaz
Simmons/ Barnes
Embiid / ——free agent Pelle

Probably requires a couple more firsts but this is best case scenario
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#783 » by Arsenal » Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:24 pm

the_process wrote:Sixers management has a prior track record of burner accounts. Just throwing that out there.

Another possibility: Tobias to Chicago for Satoransky, Felicio, and Thad Young. Probably have to add 21, though.


it certainly does appear that "PhillyPhilly" is yet another paid agent of the team. Is that you Elton? :lol:
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#784 » by Negrodamus » Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:51 pm

Justise Winslow and Gorgui Deng for Tobias
Dinwiddie for JRich + pick

Draft Malachi Flynn in the 2nd

We'll realistically fire Brown and hire Ime Udoka as the head coach. There is no realistic option for moving Horford.

We Dinwiddie PnR with Embiid or Simmons on every play of the game and put shooters around them. We need to cut out the nonsense in this offense.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#785 » by davesilver » Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:55 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Justise Winslow and Gorgui Deng for Tobias
Dinwiddie for JRich + pick

Draft Malachi Flynn in the 2nd

We'll realistically fire Brown and hire Ime Udoka as the head coach. There is no realistic option for moving Horford.

We Dinwiddie PnR with Embiid or Simmons on every play of the game and put shooters around them. We need to cut out the nonsense in this offense.


I’m cool with these moves this off-season. I’d like to see a little more value from the Tobias trade, and would be okay with moving an additional first if it gets us a better tier of talent than a guy like Winslow.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#786 » by Negrodamus » Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:00 pm

davesilver wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Justise Winslow and Gorgui Deng for Tobias
Dinwiddie for JRich + pick

Draft Malachi Flynn in the 2nd

We'll realistically fire Brown and hire Ime Udoka as the head coach. There is no realistic option for moving Horford.

We Dinwiddie PnR with Embiid or Simmons on every play of the game and put shooters around them. We need to cut out the nonsense in this offense.


I’m cool with these moves this off-season. I’d like to see a little more value from the Tobias trade, and would be okay with moving an additional first if it gets us a better tier of talent than a guy like Winslow.


Yea, I'd be okay with it too. But every team is going to look at his 14 ppg in 37 mpg on 33% shooting in the playoffs and perhaps reconsider taking on his 5 year, $180 million contract.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#787 » by No-Man » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:06 pm

Korkmaz, J-Rich, Horford and Micic's rights (I really like Vasa but he is prob not coming over to play in Phila) for Joseph and Hield
Harris, OKC's 1st, 2nd round flip this year (36th for 45th) and Zhaire for Paul

Paul-Joseph
Hield-Milton-Shayok
Thybulle
Simmons-Scott
Embiid-Pelle

sign Shayok to a real deal
draft two new two-ways 49th and 58th
draft bpa at 34th and 45th (one a stash)

best possibly available player at 34th is Killian Tillie to me
nice stash at 45th could be Yam Madar (although I think he goes higher)

Let KOQ and Neto walk

You have the TPMLE of around $6M plus minimum deals, gonna need a couple wings and a big, maybe keep GRII/Burks
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#788 » by davesilver » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:20 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
davesilver wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Justise Winslow and Gorgui Deng for Tobias
Dinwiddie for JRich + pick

Draft Malachi Flynn in the 2nd

We'll realistically fire Brown and hire Ime Udoka as the head coach. There is no realistic option for moving Horford.

We Dinwiddie PnR with Embiid or Simmons on every play of the game and put shooters around them. We need to cut out the nonsense in this offense.


I’m cool with these moves this off-season. I’d like to see a little more value from the Tobias trade, and would be okay with moving an additional first if it gets us a better tier of talent than a guy like Winslow.


Yea, I'd be okay with it too. But every team is going to look at his 14 ppg in 37 mpg on 33% shooting in the playoffs and perhaps reconsider taking on his 5 year, $180 million contract.


What an absolute embarrassment of a deal by this organization... wow
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#789 » by youngcrev » Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:11 pm

Elton Brand is Billy King. I'm not trying to live through years of giving away picks in overpaid player for overpaid player swaps that lead us nowhere.

Clean house in the front office. Bring in a new coach. See what you can do to get rid of the bad deals and try to find talent in the draft to develop.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#790 » by VDT » Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:21 pm

We would need a trade god as a GM (and i doubt any decent GM would come to this mess) to trade these contracts right now and we are going to get lowballed to death even if we try to trade someone like Embiid. Perhaps we have better luck if they show something at the beginning of next year.

Who are the worst GMs in he league, other than Brand? Those are our best trade partners. Too bad Divac was fired.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#791 » by ProcessDoctor » Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:32 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Chris Paul for Tobias and Scott

JRich , Horford and OKC 1st for Hield and Barnes,

Paul/Shake
Hield/ Zhaire
Thybulle/ korkmaz
Simmons/ Barnes
Embiid / ——free agent Pelle


I like this a lot. It works out very well from a 9-man rotation perspective. We'd probably send a 2nd or Micic to OKC for Paul. He'd whip our team into shape, for better or worse. It may be our best (and only) shot, given the hole we're in.

Paul(30)/Shake(18)
Hield(32)/Korkmaz(16)
Barnes(18)/Thybulle(30)
Simmons(34)/Barnes(14)
Embiid(30)/MLE(18)


Paul/Shake/Micic
Hield/Korkmaz/Zhaire
Barnes/Thybulle/Shayok
Simmons/Scott/2nd
Embiid/MLE/Pelle
2025-2026 Philadelphia 76ers:

Maxey/McCain/Lowry
Edgecombe/Grimes/Gordon
George/Oubre/Edwards
Watford/Barlow/Walker
Embiid/Drummond/Bona/Broome
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#792 » by PhillyPhilly » Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:12 pm

VDT wrote:We are trying to evaluate Bran here. The fact that Butler wanted to go Miami, that didnt have cap space and ultimately had to send Richardson is not credited to Brand. This is just luck.THe essence of the matter is that Brand send assets to get Butler and then he didnt manage to keep him or didnt want to keep him because he regretted the trade. Either case looks bad.

So it's Brands fault that Jimmy wanted to go where the "weather is nice" (he actually said that btw) and he wasn't committed to staying in Philly? But now were get Jrich "he had nothing to do with it?" Your BIAS is showing here in a major way :roll: .


Yu judge players by their contracts. Shamet on his contract is a player you want to have, Harris on his contract is not. At least if you want to win. You saw Harris in these two games. Who wanted Harris? Harris has been passed from team to team for years. His last team (clippers) offered him 20 mil. If there is an idiot GM out there willing to give him the max you let him do it. The whole notion that Harris is some hot commodity that we need to have no matter what is ridiculous. He is a mediocre player that doesnt really fit the team and who is paid a ridiculous amount of money. All these are on Brand.

No I judge players on their PRODUCTION and ABILITY. The money a player is getting paid IS NOT MY MONEY!!..The fact is Tobias is a 20 ppg wing who's stats are pretty much the same as Kriss Middleton!!..wings like him don't grow on trees and folks acting like his inclusion in this team "is a problem" are very sadly mistaken imo. Trading for him is a LONG way down the list of reasons why we suck right now...the two main issues are BEN AND BROWN!!..period.

The team needs someone to initiate the offense in the half court and someone that can create his shot from the perimeter and create for others at the same time. Ideally, but not necessarily this would be the same person. The Sixers are paying a ridiculous amount of money for their bigs and they have no one on the perimeter. That's not on the coach to fix, that's on the GM who has paid Horford and Harris all these money and they are doing nothing.

There was no way Brand could have gotten such a player when Ben was still the PG when this season started. Ben's lack of growth has undermined the team's progress imo and that's on Ben and the coach...not Brand who has given his coach a decent set of tools for two years in a row now.


Brand is two years now and the Sixers situation is getting worse by the year, when even doing nothing would result to improvements due to the age of the main Sixers players in 2018. As i said, he has no idea what he wants to do or what style the team is supposed to have and always goes for the lowest hanging fruit, overpaying for mediocre players that no one really cares about. I think there are a lot of people on realgm that could have done what Brand did. Not because they are good at Gming but because what Brand did is terrible.

LOL "getting worse by the year"??? HE'S HAD ONE DRAFT AND ONE FREE AGENCY AS GM!!..and you think that's enough to fully judge him? :-? During his time he got Jimmy Butler for a good deal, drafted Matisse, got Tobias to create a starting five that was dominant when they played together etc...but sadly he's been lumbered with a lacklustre coach and PG who doesn't know how to shoot any form of a jumper...tell me a GM who can succeed under these circumstances?

If Brand is fired along with Brown then I'm not gonna cry about it...but the truth is he's a scapegoat for many of you forum GM's and it's ridiculous imo because all Elton has done is try to create a winning team and be aggressive doing so!!..the whole organisation was involved in getting Tobias...so to put the blame on just him is not fair.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#793 » by PhillyPhilly » Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:15 pm

Arsenal wrote:
the_process wrote:Sixers management has a prior track record of burner accounts. Just throwing that out there.

Another possibility: Tobias to Chicago for Satoransky, Felicio, and Thad Young. Probably have to add 21, though.


it certainly does appear that "PhillyPhilly" is yet another paid agent of the team. Is that you Elton? :lol:


Oh look...the chairman of the Tobias "haters club" and "king" of the forum GM's has spoken!!..I truly am not worthy :lol: :lol:
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#794 » by Arsenal » Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:19 pm

VDT wrote:We would need a trade god as a GM (and i doubt any decent GM would come to this mess) to trade these contracts right now and we are going to get lowballed to death even if we try to trade someone like Embiid. Perhaps we have better luck if they show something at the beginning of next year.

Who are the worst GMs in he league, other than Brand? Those are our best trade partners. Too bad Divac was fired.


Elton Brand and the clown show he's the face of is the worst in the league. You're looking for the 2nd worst.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#795 » by Arsenal » Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:20 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
SparksFly87 wrote:Chris Paul for Tobias and Scott

JRich , Horford and OKC 1st for Hield and Barnes,

Paul/Shake
Hield/ Zhaire
Thybulle/ korkmaz
Simmons/ Barnes
Embiid / ——free agent Pelle


I like this a lot. It works out very well from a 9-man rotation perspective. We'd probably send a 2nd or Micic to OKC for Paul. He'd whip our team into shape, for better or worse. It may be our best (and only) shot, given the hole we're in.

Paul(30)/Shake(18)
Hield(32)/Korkmaz(16)
Barnes(18)/Thybulle(30)
Simmons(34)/Barnes(14)
Embiid(30)/MLE(18)


Paul/Shake/Micic
Hield/Korkmaz/Zhaire
Barnes/Thybulle/Shayok
Simmons/Scott/2nd
Embiid/MLE/Pelle


Agree with this approach. We absolutely 100% need a guy like Chris Paul to get on EVERYONE in this org, just like Jimmy Butler did for us.

The soft coddling approach has been a total failure.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#796 » by Arsenal » Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:22 pm

PhillyPhilly wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
the_process wrote:Sixers management has a prior track record of burner accounts. Just throwing that out there.

Another possibility: Tobias to Chicago for Satoransky, Felicio, and Thad Young. Probably have to add 21, though.


it certainly does appear that "PhillyPhilly" is yet another paid agent of the team. Is that you Elton? :lol:


Oh look...the chairman of the Tobias "haters club" and "king" of the forum GM's has spoken!!..I truly am not worthy :lol: :lol:


Who else but a paid agent of the team would defend the Tobias signing at this point?
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#797 » by ZarcMumoff » Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:40 pm

If you're OKC, why would you trade Paul for Tobias? How does that benefit them? He's on the books for two more years after Paul's contract expires, and would be owed $37 million & $39 million in those years.

Horford, while not all that tradable himself, makes much more sense if OKC wants to semi-blow it up (trade Paul, Adams, and let Gallo walk). Besides for his contract being less money than Tobias, he's also only on the books an extra year longer than Paul...and only $14.5 million of it is guaranteed.

Horford & Mike Scott for Chris Paul lines up money-wise. Obviously, we'd need to toss in a pick and even then who knows. But that seems much more viable than getting off Tobias.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#798 » by VDT » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:24 am

To be honest i doubt that they will make any big moves unless they want to save money. They will try to run it back hoping that internal improvement and moving Horford to the bench will make things better. Brown most likely will be gone. If Brand stays the run it back scenario gets even more likely, if there is a new GM there is some chance he makes a major trade.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#799 » by Mik317 » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:35 am

if we keep getting our backs blown out, there is no way they go into next year with the same core.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#800 » by VDT » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:03 am

Avoiding a desperation trade when the value of the players is at their lowest is reasonable. The main issue is that the team is not an inch closer to knowing what kind of basketball they want to play. You need to have a good FO and time to figure these things out, hire a good coach and build a sensible roster. The current FO is terrible and there is not much time to right the ship.

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