2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[drosereturn]

Karnisovas: Draft priority? Probably adding talent. It's a talent driven league. Talent wins championships. So we're going to be focused on adding talent. It's going to be up to the coaches to maximize it. Just to get high upside guys on our team. Looking at our roster I love what I see. The players we have now, a young core with vets like Thad and Otto. I think we can build on that. This group definitely can do better than what they've showed the last couple of years.

I am just so shocked why most gms and fans dont share AKs philosophy.
Doesnt talent win games? Instead they talk about injury history, age, etc which are very minor.
Picking someone like WCJ is admitting you gave up winning chip and just avoid getting shamed to not draft busts.
What are these high floor, low ceiling type players even going to do in a lottery team after their contract is up?

The Bulls literally have 0 talent. Bol and MPJ alone has better upside than anyone one the bulls under 25.
And yet people are complaining why cant we win when they want Carter. I am just glad the Bulls didnt win the coin flip and get shamed for picking Bagley bc there was a lot of Bagley fans. MJ 2.0 exact same draft position.

[NecessaryEvil]

AK is about that rookie contract and picking highest ceiling. He’s also a believer in positional value. He won’t be taking a big.

Melo, Deni, Hayes, Hali, Okoro probably one of them.

But aren't Jokic, Bol & MPJ all AK picks?

[Jcool0]

Karnisovas: Draft priority? Probably adding talent. It's a talent driven league. Talent wins championships. So we're going to be focused on adding talent. It's going to be up to the coaches to maximize it. Just to get high upside guys on our team. Looking at our roster I love what I see. The players we have now, a young core with vets like Thad and Otto. I think we can build on that. This group definitely can do better than what they've showed the last couple of years.

I am just so shocked why most gms and fans dont share AKs philosophy.
Doesnt talent win games? Instead they talk about injury history, age, etc which are very minor.
Picking someone like WCJ is admitting you gave up winning chip and just avoid getting shamed to not draft busts.
What are these high floor, low ceiling type players even going to do in a lottery team after their contract is up?

The Bulls literally have 0 talent. Bol and MPJ alone has better upside than anyone one the bulls under 25.
And yet people are complaining why cant we win when they want Carter. I am just glad the Bulls didnt win the coin flip and get shamed for picking Bagley bc there was a lot of Bagley fans. MJ 2.0 exact same draft position.

Lets have MPJ & Bol Bol do something before we anoint them all-nba players.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Karnisovas: Draft priority? Probably adding talent. It's a talent driven league. Talent wins championships. So we're going to be focused on adding talent. It's going to be up to the coaches to maximize it. Just to get high upside guys on our team. Looking at our roster I love what I see. The players we have now, a young core with vets like Thad and Otto. I think we can build on that. This group definitely can do better than what they've showed the last couple of years.

I am just so shocked why most gms and fans dont share AKs philosophy.
Doesnt talent win games? Instead they talk about injury history, age, etc which are very minor.
Picking someone like WCJ is admitting you gave up winning chip and just avoid getting shamed to not draft busts.
What are these high floor, low ceiling type players even going to do in a lottery team after their contract is up?

The Bulls literally have 0 talent. Bol and MPJ alone has better upside than anyone one the bulls under 25.
And yet people are complaining why cant we win when they want Carter. I am just glad the Bulls didnt win the coin flip and get shamed for picking Bagley bc there was a lot of Bagley fans. MJ 2.0 exact same draft position.

Lets have MPJ & Bol Bol do something before we anoint them all-nba players.

WCJ at 7 who still has Horford like potential is drafting for talent.

So was Lauri

So was Coby

Let’s not act like they’re no potential kids. So far it hasn’t been ideal but I don’t think talent is the issue.

[BigUps]

What time is the lottery at tonight?

[Pax for Prez]

What time is the lottery at tonight?

7:30 pm CT on ESPN

Pax

[BigUps]

What time is the lottery at tonight?

7:30 pm CT on ESPN

Pax

Thanks Pax!

[TheFinishSniper]

I am just so shocked why most gms and fans dont share AKs philosophy.
Doesnt talent win games? Instead they talk about injury history, age, etc which are very minor.
Picking someone like WCJ is admitting you gave up winning chip and just avoid getting shamed to not draft busts.
What are these high floor, low ceiling type players even going to do in a lottery team after their contract is up?

The Bulls literally have 0 talent. Bol and MPJ alone has better upside than anyone one the bulls under 25.
And yet people are complaining why cant we win when they want Carter. I am just glad the Bulls didnt win the coin flip and get shamed for picking Bagley bc there was a lot of Bagley fans. MJ 2.0 exact same draft position.

Lets have MPJ & Bol Bol do something before we anoint them all-nba players.

WCJ at 7 who still has Horford like potential is drafting for talent.

So was Lauri

So was Coby

Let’s not act like they’re no potential kids. So far it hasn’t been ideal but I don’t think talent is the issue.

its a talent really. talent to be strong though and overcame obstacles in your job to get better. it's called life. everyone has that talent. some people do worse some get stronger. same with basketball players. lauri knows how to play basketball at some level. he just at nba level we can say he is inadequate to playing basketball beyond going through hardship. the moment contact comes, the moment someone starts getting in his head and read his moves, the moment he gets frustrated so he start standing on perimeter. the moment midget guards him in post and back him down on 3pt line.

it's called are you hungry enough for success. how long are you willing to be sized at 7 foot, 240 lbs by 6'1 guy 190 lbs guy instead just look him like a little midget he is and shoot the f out over him and laugh in his face. because he cant literally guard him by any theory yet this guy(s) dominate him.

[Andi Obst]

AK is about that rookie contract and picking highest ceiling. He’s also a believer in positional value. He won’t be taking a big.

Melo, Deni, Hayes, Hali, Okoro probably one of them.

But aren't Jokic, Bol & MPJ all AK picks?

To be fair, that's 2 second round picks and MPJ is more of a wing.

[Chi town]

Karnisovas: Draft priority? Probably adding talent. It's a talent driven league. Talent wins championships. So we're going to be focused on adding talent. It's going to be up to the coaches to maximize it. Just to get high upside guys on our team. Looking at our roster I love what I see. The players we have now, a young core with vets like Thad and Otto. I think we can build on that. This group definitely can do better than what they've showed the last couple of years.

IQ is talent.

Shooting has been another thing AK has talked about. In a weak draft with lots of red flags he may have to overlook some things and look solely at raw ability or physical gifts.

His shot is fine. His shot section needs some work. Like AK said its up to coaches to maximize his talent. In a draft without a clear cut #1 ill take a guy who has all-star potential.

His team sucked. His shot selection sucked worse. He will get better but I don't think he has it up top. I think Melo and Deni are better risks for lots of reasons.

[MrSparkle]

Well, the good news is it appears AK and his crew are doing a thorough search of the board from 1-60.

I am inclined to think GarPax tended to filter the All-American March Madness and NBAdraft.net mock prospects in their range.

[Chi town]

I think confidence is a talent. Much like Thibs said energy and effort were talents.

Melo and Deni both have that confidence talent. Both trash talk and rise when competition heats up. Coby has it too. Problem is that confidence without IQ can be a big problem. I can't tell yet if Edwards has that confident talent or if he's just a chucker.

[kodo]

AK is about that rookie contract and picking highest ceiling. He’s also a believer in positional value. He won’t be taking a big.

Melo, Deni, Hayes, Hali, Okoro probably one of them.

But aren't Jokic, Bol & MPJ all AK picks?

To be fair, that's 2 second round picks and MPJ is more of a wing.

And all 3 big men showed a versatile skillset that allow them to act like guards, either through passing or shooting or both.
Even traditional big men he played like Mason Plumlee had a prominent passing role, Plumlee averages 5+ assists per 36 min.

Given his style, I would be surprised if AK picks a traditional physical specimen big man with a simple skillset like Wiseman or Okongwu, not that either are within our projected draft range.

I would assume we want Hayes or Haliburton. And he's probably watching Aleksej Pokuševski, but I doubt he makes it to the 2nd round for us he probably goes late 1st.

[Jcool0]

IQ is talent.

Shooting has been another thing AK has talked about. In a weak draft with lots of red flags he may have to overlook some things and look solely at raw ability or physical gifts.

His shot is fine. His shot section needs some work. Like AK said its up to coaches to maximize his talent. In a draft without a clear cut #1 ill take a guy who has all-star potential.

His team sucked. His shot selection sucked worse. He will get better but I don't think he has it up top. I think Melo and Deni are better risks for lots of reasons.

Ball is the worst risk out of anyone. The chances he busts (relative to where he will be drafted) is super high. Bulls fans have seen how a decent passer + good defender, who cant shoot works out in Dunn. Well Ball doesn't play defense and cant shoot. That is not a recipe for success for a modern PG. If Ball was 6'3" he wouldnt even be a lottery pick. But media freaks out because he can pass and is tall for PG and think everything else can be fixed... When that rarely ever happens.

[NecessaryEvil]

AK is about that rookie contract and picking highest ceiling. He’s also a believer in positional value. He won’t be taking a big.

Melo, Deni, Hayes, Hali, Okoro probably one of them.

But aren't Jokic, Bol & MPJ all AK picks?

To be fair, that's 2 second round picks and MPJ is more of a wing.

MPJ is 6"10 and plays power forward

[VolumePoster]

Such an odd draft. I can’t say there’s anyone I’d be thrilled with but there are a lot of future contributors. Hopefully we move up so we can package the pick and/or trade down.

From a player perspective I can’t say I’d be that much more enthused picking Edwards at 1, Deni at 4, or Hayes at 8. And given the financial stratification of the picks, it really is a mixed bag.

[Andi Obst]

MPJ is 6"10 and plays power forward

I'm aware, thanks. I don't really care which he position he plays or how tall he is, though. He clearly has the skillset of a wing. That's what makes him such an interesting player at his size, after all.

[NecessaryEvil]

MPJ is 6"10 and plays power forward

I'm aware, thanks. I don't really care which he position he plays or how tall he is, though. He clearly has the skillset of a wing. That's what makes him such an interesting player at his size, after all.

Yeah, but he's a big man. You said he's more of a wing.

AD can dribble, create a shot off the bounce too and has wing like capabilities too, he's still a big man.

[JohnnyTapwater]

I fear Edwards is JR. Smith.

All the tools in the world, but not what he was supposed to be.

I DO like he's talking about defense. Either that's his agent or that's from his heart. I like reports of his work ethic. I hope those things are true. My gut says stay away, but I'm open to be wrong on him.


Okoro?

I fear he's Michael Kidd-Gilcrist. Just won't pan out on the offensive end. It's something else about him I'm not digging either.
Again. I'm open to being wrong.

I want all these kids to succeed, my intuition is just so loud.

[Andi Obst]

Yeah, but he's a big man.

I'll respectfully disagree.