Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce

[robillionaire]

To the people that voted for him last time he has delivered what he said he would. You aren't getting any of those people. You will have to either get brand new voters or get your turn out higher where it's needed. Doubt new voters are going to make that effort for a Joe Biden.

what did he deliver? didn't lock hillary up. didn't make mexico pay for the wall, didn't eliminate the debt but further increased deficits and the debt, didn't bring back manufacturing, pretty much the only thing he delivered on was "triggering the libs" which is fun and all but at the end of the day working people are still suffering, and when he wins again that will likely be the end of social security and medicare which each of his proposed budgets have included cuts. incumbents usually ask "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago" and you can bet your bottom dollar he isn't going to ever ask that because he knows that's not true for most people unless you are bezos or one of the wealthy corporations who got the tax breaks. literally all he is running on is white identity politics and culture war BS such as protecting the legacy of the confederacy and trying to portray joe biden and kamala harris as radical anarchists when one wrote the crime bill and the other is a cop

Yea he's basically kinda started the steps needed for his wall, redid the tax code, hurt obama care but failed to kill it off despite having the power of all three branches and tried to erase all of Obamas accomplishments. Oh and managed to started a recession , a pandemic and a civil rights war with his inactivity.

Though admittedly if you told me that the person to pardon susan b anthony and Jack Johnson would be trump, I wouldve called you insane.

I think the GOP failed to kill off the ACA on purpose because when you get past the rhetoric it's their ideal right wing form of health care, the heritage foundation cooked it up, and they only have to pretend to not like it because Obama's name is attached. But at the end of the day this is what right wing health care looks like and that's why they'll never do anything about it even though they had been handed a mandate in 2016 and easily could have done so

[Pointgod]

Maybe on the outside, but when it came down to it, he was as bad as W. Bush if not worse since he bombed Libya and Yemen as well. Lot of civilians were killed. Nothing respectable about that.

https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/the-assassination-complex/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/president-obamas-weak-defense-of-his-record-on-drone-strikes/511454/

So I suppose Muslim countries can't do anything wrong, or attacking them is always wrong.

Who's saying that?

Point is, you cant kill and ruin countless of innocent lives and say you treat them with respect

Not going to get the world any further ahead.

Neither will bombing the hell out of a country. I always thought that was the GOPs' way of doing things until Obama.

I think the problem is that you’re looking at it as a binary choice when it’s a choice between multiple **** options.

Thanks for linking those articles they’re really good. So what do you believe are possible solutions or alternatives to the drone strikes?

Same question I ask about intervening in countries like Libya and Syria. What’s a better way to address dictators because I don’t agree letting civilians die but intervention also has its costs.

[Pointgod]

what did he deliver? didn't lock hillary up. didn't make mexico pay for the wall, didn't eliminate the debt but further increased deficits and the debt, didn't bring back manufacturing, pretty much the only thing he delivered on was "triggering the libs" which is fun and all but at the end of the day working people are still suffering, and when he wins again that will likely be the end of social security and medicare which each of his proposed budgets have included cuts. incumbents usually ask "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago" and you can bet your bottom dollar he isn't going to ever ask that because he knows that's not true for most people unless you are bezos or one of the wealthy corporations who got the tax breaks. literally all he is running on is white identity politics and culture war BS such as protecting the legacy of the confederacy and trying to portray joe biden and kamala harris as radical anarchists when one wrote the crime bill and the other is a cop

Yea he's basically kinda started the steps needed for his wall, redid the tax code, hurt obama care but failed to kill it off despite having the power of all three branches and tried to erase all of Obamas accomplishments. Oh and managed to started a recession , a pandemic and a civil rights war with his inactivity.

Though admittedly if you told me that the person to pardon susan b anthony and Jack Johnson would be trump, I wouldve called you insane.

I think the GOP failed to kill off the ACA on purpose because when you get past the rhetoric it's their ideal right wing form of health care, the heritage foundation cooked it up, and they only have to pretend to not like it because Obama's name is attached. But at the end of the day this is what right wing health care looks like and that's why they'll never do anything about it even though they had been handed a mandate in 2016 and easily could have done so

Naw they’re neither that smart or clever. At the end of the day they failed to repeal the ACA for the same reason did nothing while they controlled all 3 branches, they’re a dysfunctional opposition Party that have no idea how to govern. They had years to figure out a replacement and they’re incapable. Republicans are just a bunch of idiots that talk loud and repeat slogans. Look at what’s happening with the coronavirus relief bill. You’d think the easiest thing to do would be to give people and businesses a bunch of money till at least after the election. But instead the Senate decided to go on vacation........

[Clyde_Style]

Yea he's basically kinda started the steps needed for his wall, redid the tax code, hurt obama care but failed to kill it off despite having the power of all three branches and tried to erase all of Obamas accomplishments. Oh and managed to started a recession , a pandemic and a civil rights war with his inactivity.

Though admittedly if you told me that the person to pardon susan b anthony and Jack Johnson would be trump, I wouldve called you insane.

I think the GOP failed to kill off the ACA on purpose because when you get past the rhetoric it's their ideal right wing form of health care, the heritage foundation cooked it up, and they only have to pretend to not like it because Obama's name is attached. But at the end of the day this is what right wing health care looks like and that's why they'll never do anything about it even though they had been handed a mandate in 2016 and easily could have done so

Naw they’re neither that smart or clever. At the end of the day they failed to repeal the ACA for the same reason did nothing while they controlled all 3 branches, they’re a dysfunctional opposition Party that have no idea how to govern. They had years to figure out a replacement and they’re incapable. Republicans are just a bunch of idiots that talk loud and repeat slogans. Look at what’s happening with the coronavirus relief bill. You’d think the easiest thing to do would be to give people and businesses a bunch of money till at least after the election. But instead the Senate decided to go on vacation........

Yes. They relied so long on trolling to build their party that now that's all the people at the top know how to do. They know how to destroy, but nothing about how to build or govern. McConnell is good at one thing, keeping a pack of thieves on the same page. After that, it's been a combination of fraud, gutting departments and protective regulations, replacing competent civil servants with dumb as dirt loyalists and inaction when faced with urgent matters.

[rammagen]

The russia stuff is not fake unless you think the congressional report from a bipartisan group is fake too.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/18/politics/senate-intelligence-report-russia-election-interference-efforts/index.html
Trump and his staff knowingly entered this dialog.

This is why Trump and Barr targeted Barr, but not Loeffler, for insider trading. They're both culpable, but Barr was the chair of that committee.

The bi-partisan findings do corroborate Mueller re: extensive extra-curricular activities between Trump associates and the Russians. Anyone who would deny this now doesn't care about the truth. No legit president has his people work to build backchannels with Russia unless they are trying to conduct illegal activities that betrays their country.

Trump is a traitor

We have never had a traitor occupying the White House. That they are a multitude of other things like a white nationalist, probable rapist and pedophile, money launderer, charity and election fraudster makes it incomparable to any other situation in the history of this country.

And anyone who mitigates the danger and evil of Trump by playing the all politics is corrupt meme game is an asshat. We should be unified behind the Democrats now because the planet's life depends on it, but the left is full of brats that want to spend all of their energy on their grievances against the DNC and the candidates when they had their whole lifetimes already to go and start a third party and run their own slate of candidates. But they never did and probably never will.

The contrast between the two options is literally life or death. We lose, we die, your friends die, your family dies. They will die at the hands of a brutal regime, at the hands of cops looking for pay back, at the mercy of an enviroment heating up to point of no return. You will be disappeared without habeous corpus by men in unmarked vans. You will be poisoned by the factory in your backyard.

THIS IS FASCISM STARING YOU IN THE FACE AND SOME OF YOU BABIES WANT TO EXTRACT YOUR POUND OF FLESH FROM THE BIDENS OF THE WORLD INSTEAD. GROW THE F UP! The only thing that matters now is winning. Sorry if that is too controversial for some of you.

Oh shut up with this Russia crap already.

When Trump goes at China you call him a racist. China is 1 million times more evil than Russia and a much bigger threat to our interests, but you guys won’t speak on it because they aren’t white or something. Get real.

No are you being serious or just ignorant. there is an issue where the president of the US members of the transition team colluded. If that is ok with you then you are the one with the issues. You are too blind to see the truth. I served in the US Army , if I did what Trump did I would have been charged with treason but idiots like you and I said idiots like you pardon this? NO I wont shut up about presidents who break the law. I know I deserve better you may not but I know I do

[BallSacBounce]

Obama killed a prominent infamous Muslim but was nevertheless a strong supporter of treating Muslims, and Muslim Americans, properly and with respect.

Maybe on the outside, but when it came down to it, he was as bad as W. Bush if not worse since he bombed Libya and Yemen as well. Lot of civilians were killed. Nothing respectable about that.

https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/the-assassination-complex/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/president-obamas-weak-defense-of-his-record-on-drone-strikes/511454/

Obama was damn good at bombing Muslims. Respectfully, of course, because he was a gentleman.

[BallSacBounce]

Yeah it’s like transportation to go somewhere where you have to take a train, a taxi and walk some of the way. I may not like walking for some of the journey but I’ll get there. However not voting, voting Republican or voting third party is like taking a high speed bullet train in the opposite direction. It’s baffling.

No it’s not. Not voting is not voting. If neither candidate represents me and values neither of them deserve my vote. Say what you want about Trump but he went out there and earned those votes he got by speaking directly to people’s concerns. You think you’re going to win an election because your VP is 25% black? And your head of the ticket is half brain dead? You better think again.

And then he did absolutely nothing to address them. Trump is simply a fraudster of the highest order. Not only is he a sociopath, he’s also not very knowledgeable about anything other than how to swindle people. Trump always was way in over his head. Obama did get that part right in his speech.

He's doing everything he said he would and we love him for it.

[HarthorneWingo]

No it’s not. Not voting is not voting. If neither candidate represents me and values neither of them deserve my vote. Say what you want about Trump but he went out there and earned those votes he got by speaking directly to people’s concerns. You think you’re going to win an election because your VP is 25% black? And your head of the ticket is half brain dead? You better think again.

And then he did absolutely nothing to address them. Trump is simply a fraudster of the highest order. Not only is he a sociopath, he’s also not very knowledgeable about anything other than how to swindle people. Trump always was way in over his head. Obama did get that part right in his speech.

He's doing everything he said he would and we love him for it.

He only signed into law one piece of legislation and that one screwed over the middle class

[Pointgod]

No it’s not. Not voting is not voting. If neither candidate represents me and values neither of them deserve my vote. Say what you want about Trump but he went out there and earned those votes he got by speaking directly to people’s concerns. You think you’re going to win an election because your VP is 25% black? And your head of the ticket is half brain dead? You better think again.

And then he did absolutely nothing to address them. Trump is simply a fraudster of the highest order. Not only is he a sociopath, he’s also not very knowledgeable about anything other than how to swindle people. Trump always was way in over his head. Obama did get that part right in his speech.

He's doing everything he said he would and we love him for it.

Yet you can’t name anything he’s done. Smells like bull.

[HarthorneWingo]

Julia Louise Dreyfus is the best thing to happen during this Convention. They should’ve had her MC it.

[BallSacBounce]

Except this convention hasnt been about that. But nice random complaint to show you havent been paying attention.

Yeah, it kinda has. Obama ripped Trump. It still won't work.

What are Trump’s policies if he wins over the next four years?

Continuing the fantastic work he's done on trade deals. Continue building the wall. Other than that, no idea. That's something he has to do lay out for sure and that topic has been brought to his attention.

[Pointgod]

Oh and tough luck on the draft lottery results Knicks fans. 2020 keeps getting worse.

[HarthorneWingo]

Yeah, The Dixie Chicks. Republicans’ heads explode when you even mention their name

[Pointgod]

Yeah, it kinda has. Obama ripped Trump. It still won't work.

What are Trump’s policies if he wins over the next four years?

Continuing the fantastic work he's done on trade deals. Continue building the wall. Other than that, no idea. That's something he has to do lay out for sure and that topic has been brought to his attention.

Well the wall hasn’t been built and Mexico definitely hasn’t paid for it. He made a useless trade deal with China and the USMC is not that much different from NAFTA. He said he’d get a way better deals. You literally listed two things in 4 years, two years with full control of Congress and 4 years with full Senate control. I’ll spot you those two, care to address the rest below?

what did he deliver? didn't lock hillary up. didn't make mexico pay for the wall, didn't eliminate the debt but further increased deficits and the debt, didn't bring back manufacturing, pretty much the only thing he delivered on was "triggering the libs" which is fun and all but at the end of the day working people are still suffering, and when he wins again that will likely be the end of social security and medicare which each of his proposed budgets have included cuts. incumbents usually ask "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago" and you can bet your bottom dollar he isn't going to ever ask that because he knows that's not true for most people unless you are bezos or one of the wealthy corporations who got the tax breaks. literally all he is running on is white identity politics and culture war BS such as protecting the legacy of the confederacy and trying to portray joe biden and kamala harris as radical anarchists when one wrote the crime bill and the other is a cop

[rammagen]

No it’s not. Not voting is not voting. If neither candidate represents me and values neither of them deserve my vote. Say what you want about Trump but he went out there and earned those votes he got by speaking directly to people’s concerns. You think you’re going to win an election because your VP is 25% black? And your head of the ticket is half brain dead? You better think again.

And then he did absolutely nothing to address them. Trump is simply a fraudster of the highest order. Not only is he a sociopath, he’s also not very knowledgeable about anything other than how to swindle people. Trump always was way in over his head. Obama did get that part right in his speech.

He's doing everything he said he would and we love him for it.

The basic fact is trump has done nothing lets review, build that wall and mexico is paying for it not really 200 miles of wall replaced less 100 miles of new border fencing let's ask manfort who is paying for it again? Wait Manfort is in trouble again so much for draining the swamp
Unneeded trade wars with china put this country 1 trillion dollars in debt before covid bailouts, opor leadership there
North Korea still has nuclear weapons
Lower medication bills no not really because this has not happened
Remember when trump said he would replace Obama care well we are still waiting
the man has lied ofver 20k ties is that ok?
Let me be clear conservative or liberal you have your rights to believe in that there are great conservative politiions, great Americans The first Bush, McClain for example they bonded the nation they united people from both sides, Trump the great deal maker has yet to do that.
It amazes me every time people think Trump has done anything positive in office because he has not.
He has over 20k times but you support this, he has let over 170 thousand american die when he should have handled Covid better but did not. That is on him this is the same man that Said Obama should have been impeached when 2 people died of Ebola.
The man is a lying hypocrite and the people that support him have to look in the mirror and ask themselves I am part of the problem, the answer quite frankly is yes. You traded the American values for this crap of president. Has he really lowered taxes no what he has done has put the country in debt by cutting taxes to the upper 2 % of the US while the rest of carry the burden.
Now with postal system issue he caused people are not getting meds on time basically he is infringing on everyone health and rights to tamper with an election but it is ok if my parents dont get their meds because you support hits.
There is no wide spread voter fraud let's be clear on that and most cases of voter fruad are on the right amazing isn't it
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjj0vGUk6vrAhXOsKQKHfzLAXcQFjADegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Flasvegassun.com%2Fnews%2F2020%2Fjul%2F16%2Fcries-of-voter-fraud-should-be-aimed-at-those-comm%2F&usg=AOvVaw2ChW5940TVOIR5nLGDLhJW

[HarthorneWingo]

@ John Meachum

MLK said beware of the liberal white man

[Oscirus]

No it’s not. Not voting is not voting. If neither candidate represents me and values neither of them deserve my vote. Say what you want about Trump but he went out there and earned those votes he got by speaking directly to people’s concerns. You think you’re going to win an election because your VP is 25% black? And your head of the ticket is half brain dead? You better think again.

And then he did absolutely nothing to address them. Trump is simply a fraudster of the highest order. Not only is he a sociopath, he’s also not very knowledgeable about anything other than how to swindle people. Trump always was way in over his head. Obama did get that part right in his speech.

He's doing everything he said he would and we love him for it.

He's running out of Obama things to erase, if he gets relelected, he might be forced to actually forced to do his job and stop hiding behind obama

[rammagen]

Yeah, it kinda has. Obama ripped Trump. It still won't work.

What are Trump’s policies if he wins over the next four years?

Continuing the fantastic work he's done on trade deals. Continue building the wall. Other than that, no idea. That's something he has to do lay out for sure and that topic has been brought to his attention.

fantasist work deals? these are the same deals he would have gotten without starting trade wars. fantastic work let two companies move Carrier and harley davidson because the cost of doing business because of paying tarriffs those are american jobs lost
this was a lost deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51055491
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/16/trump-new-china-trade-pact-takeaways/
billions in lost money for farmers billions in bails outs and the great business man could not cut a real deal?
Border wall really Mexico is paying for that still right? people will believe anything the wall was built by Bush 2 continued by Obama and all that did was stop circular migration for illegals keeping more illegals in the US
but lets guess at how many miles of wall was built....3 freaking miles yes you read that right 3 miles in 3 years in office.
On December 17, 2019, acting Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Mark Morgan stated that 93 miles of barriers had been built during the Trump administration; according to CBP, at least 90 miles of that replaced existing structures.
So who are the fools believing what a liar says and not checking the facts. I can say it is not me.
Before you post something make sure you are firm ground because facts destroy your argument don't they
the great tax break prolly the only thing he passed did not help the average American instead they helped the upper 2% one thing reagan proved is that trickle down theory does not work
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi9zdXFlqvrAhWPsaQKHVqpB-gQFjALegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fbusiness%2F2019%2Foct%2F09%2Ftrump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less&usg=AOvVaw2oZqeyiQPAHdrX4X5zil8d
I forgot he did not bring coal back.
What trump did is scare old white Americans into thinking they were being pushed out by minorities he played on fear and racism when the real people befitting from this are the rich.

[rammagen]

@ John Meachum

MLK said beware of the liberal white man

What does he say about Liberal Puerto Ricans? lol

[rammagen]

remember when trump sdaid he would be too busy to play golf
https://trumpgolfcount.com/
versus Obama for 2 yrs
https://presidentialgolftracker.com/trump-vs-obama-golf-games/
IDC about people playing golf but he lied there too and you trump supporters dont care it is costing you more.