2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

[sunskerr]

I don’t think Simmons is quite as good as his numbers suggest nor is he worth some of these giant trade packages we see thrown around. His problem is he literally doesn’t shoot at all. And that’s a horrible horrible offensive deficiency that is magnified by today’s game.

If we traded for him you’d have to hope to god Ayton starts knocking down 1.5 3PG, even with Bridges, Booker, and Johnson around Simmons.

[darealjuice]

I don't see us as a realistic trade partner for Simmons without other teams being involved. Sixers aren't likely to part with both Simmons and Embiid in a single offseason, they obviously won't want to pair Ayton with Embiid, and we don't have any other trade assets valuable enough for Simmons. Embiid would be more realistic if they wanted to swap centers.

[D3ko]

i will probably get alot of sh*t for this but if im the suns i would try to move ayton for an all star if they can. Ayton is soft his motor sucks. I am still pissed we missed out on doncic even though i understood why ayton was the pick. To be honest its frustrating to even watch him play often since i was under the impression he was this high motor aggressive player. I would even look into see what the t wolves want for KAT because at the end of the day we have a couple year left with booker who is about to enter his prime and cant rely on ayton at all. Booker will leave if we dont upgrade. I love what we did in the bubble but at the end of the day it was 8 games and some teams sat there starters (not taking anything away from the suns though)

I think Ayton will be better than KAT, so I will probably get **** for that.

Only player I would trade Ayton for would be Giannis, or AD for bigs next to Booker.

Ayton will not be better than Kat IMO ,Probably a bit better defender but Ayton is not and problable never will be a DPOY option.
Kat is a offensive monster, with higher motor than Ayton, and bad defense.
Ayton is Whiteside with a jumper, yes he defended better some games this year, he was really bad as a rookie.

Let´s not forget that he was out for 20 games, he was backing up Baynes some games, and he played really bad on the bubble.So the theoric improve lasts like 30 games through a season.Is that enough to believe that he has changed on defense?

So we have a offensive big man project whom he is not really good on offense ( no motor, not a great roller, no iso game) and we are hoping that if he has improved the defense, it will fix everything else.

Sorry to not believe in him , but i just don`t trust a passive/ non motor big man unless they have an elite skill.

What is Ayton elite skill apart from size? He is a ok skill player around but that´s it.

Any comparison with another player he is going to get hit

A real 5 like Embiid, Nurkic is not who Ayton is.
A 5 DPOY potential as AD, Gobert is not who Ayton is.
A strech 5 as Porkingis, Vucevic, Kat is not who Ayton is.
A 4/5 offensive threat as AD, Pau Gasol, Lamarcus Aldrige is not who Ayton is.

So what do we have ? A good for nothing. Average at everything.

That will get max by the Suns in hope of developing the project. Give the MAX to Ayton , and the Suns will be a treadmill for years until Booker gets fed up and leaves. I Would trade him ASAP. Or at least i will not give anything near of the rookie max.

PLEASE SUNS GET DONE PROPERLY FOR ONCE

[King4Day]

We're picking 10.
Please let GSW get 4. I really don't want them to improve even more. Sick of them

[King4Day]

Wow, I really could see Charlotte drafting Ball now.
Min taking Edwards and GSW taking Wiseman (if they keep their pick)

[LV-Suns]

Here comes all the 1st overall and Malik trades for Booker.

[Slim Charless]

Wow, I really could see Charlotte drafting Ball now.
Min taking Edwards and GSW taking Wiseman (if they keep their pick)

I was just talking to my buddy about that. It would be hilarious. Melo and Lavar heading to Charlotte to work under MJ They should trade for Lonzo too

I think the dubs are taking Wiseman-unless they move it to Philly for Embiid/Simmons

[Slim Charless]

I don't see us as a realistic trade partner for Simmons without other teams being involved. Sixers aren't likely to part with both Simmons and Embiid in a single offseason, they obviously won't want to pair Ayton with Embiid, and we don't have any other trade assets valuable enough for Simmons. Embiid would be more realistic if they wanted to swap centers.

Oubre and our pick to CHI for 4...then that pick, Rubio, Bridges to Philly maybe? Might be too much to offer as that hurts our bench too. Guess we can sign another guy with all that extra cap room though

[King4Day]

I don't see us as a realistic trade partner for Simmons without other teams being involved. Sixers aren't likely to part with both Simmons and Embiid in a single offseason, they obviously won't want to pair Ayton with Embiid, and we don't have any other trade assets valuable enough for Simmons. Embiid would be more realistic if they wanted to swap centers.

Oubre and our pick to CHI for 4...then that pick, Rubio, Bridges to Philly maybe? Might be too much to offer as that hurts our bench too. Guess we can sign another guy with all that extra cap room though

Bridges?! JUDAS!!!!

[Slim Charless]

I don't see us as a realistic trade partner for Simmons without other teams being involved. Sixers aren't likely to part with both Simmons and Embiid in a single offseason, they obviously won't want to pair Ayton with Embiid, and we don't have any other trade assets valuable enough for Simmons. Embiid would be more realistic if they wanted to swap centers.

Oubre and our pick to CHI for 4...then that pick, Rubio, Bridges to Philly maybe? Might be too much to offer as that hurts our bench too. Guess we can sign another guy with all that extra cap room though

Bridges?! JUDAS!!!!

Gotta give something to get something. Simmons can win DPOY....while averaging a triple double. He's got that kinda of talent.

[bwgood77]

i will probably get alot of sh*t for this but if im the suns i would try to move ayton for an all star if they can. Ayton is soft his motor sucks. I am still pissed we missed out on doncic even though i understood why ayton was the pick. To be honest its frustrating to even watch him play often since i was under the impression he was this high motor aggressive player. I would even look into see what the t wolves want for KAT because at the end of the day we have a couple year left with booker who is about to enter his prime and cant rely on ayton at all. Booker will leave if we dont upgrade. I love what we did in the bubble but at the end of the day it was 8 games and some teams sat there starters (not taking anything away from the suns though)

I think Ayton will be better than KAT, so I will probably get **** for that.

Only player I would trade Ayton for would be Giannis, or AD for bigs next to Booker.

Ayton will not be better than Kat IMO ,Probably a bit better defender but Ayton is not and problable never will be a DPOY option.
Kat is a offensive monster, with higher motor than Ayton, and bad defense.
Ayton is Whiteside with a jumper, yes he defended better some games this year, he was really bad as a rookie.

Let´s not forget that he was out for 20 games, he was backing up Baynes some games, and he played really bad on the bubble.So the theoric improve lasts like 30 games through a season.Is that enough to believe that he has changed on defense?

So we have a offensive big man project whom he is not really good on offense ( no motor, not a great roller, no iso game) and we are hoping that if he has improved the defense, it will fix everything else.

Sorry to not believe in him , but i just don`t trust a passive/ non motor big man unless they have an elite skill.

What is Ayton elite skill apart from size? He is a ok skill player around but that´s it.

Any comparison with another player he is going to get hit

A real 5 like Embiid, Nurkic is not who Ayton is.
A 5 DPOY potential as AD, Gobert is not who Ayton is.
A strech 5 as Porkingis, Vucevic, Kat is not who Ayton is.
A 4/5 offensive threat as AD, Pau Gasol, Lamarcus Aldrige is not who Ayton is.

So what do we have a good for nothing. Average at everything.

That will get max by the Suns in hope of developing the project. Give the MAX to Ayton , and the Suns will be a treadmill for years until Booker gets fed up and leaves. I Would trade him ASAP. Or at least i will not give anything near of the rookie max.

PLEASE SUNS GET DONE PROPERLY FOR ONCE

Of course he's not as good as the starts, and had played fewer than 110 games so far. He's a really good rebounder, a decent passer, and a good finisher for now...good at switching on defense and playing man to man. Just added a 3 ball.

I don't think he's AWESOME but I think he's a lot better than our picks the couple years before that, as well as the last time we spent a top 5 pick on a C. I still think he will end up one of the better prospects in the league.

Will he be worth the max? I don't know. I don't think we should give him a max unless he earns it, but I can't say I hope he doesn't. That would be pretty dumb. Not too many Cs get max deals these days, so he would need to get quite a bit better to be worthy of a max.

[bwgood77]

Do people really think Philly will trade Simmons? Last year they were a CRAZY Kawhi shot away from knocking out the team who won it all. It's not like Simmons and Embiid can't play together. They were that close to a championship last year. They came closer to beating the Raptors than the Bucks or Warriors....came down to a final shot in game 7. They just need the right pieces.

As good as Butler is, I don't even know that he was the best fit with Simmons and Embiid either...Redick was obviously a perfect fit, but I think Philly is tough when Embiid and Simmons both play. The problem is overpaying other guys, but I don't know that trading Simmons makes them better....or Embiid.

They are losing to Boston but Boston is tough and they are without Simmons. I seriously doubt they decide they just need to blow it up. It took them quite a while to get past their last blow it up trust the process. It's not like trading Simmons gets them out of those other bad contracts.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

So #1 and the rights to Jake Layman for Booker?

[nevetsov]

So #1 and the rights to Jake Layman for Booker?

I'd want Layman's lefts as well as his rights.

[bwgood77]

It's funny....it's pretty common knowledge that Sarver was enamored with Doncic but McD wanted Ayton....yet they keep trying to float "Sarver wanted a UA guy"

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[darealjuice]

It's funny....it's pretty common knowledge that Sarver was enamored with Doncic but McD wanted Ayton....yet they keep trying to float "Sarver wanted a UA guy"

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Lol McDonough searching for ways to shift blame. Seeing Ayton in person didn't help him realize that he was project in his own right. I think we all know McDonough wanted Ayton consider he constantly drafted developmental projects like Len, Bender, Chriss, and Jackson.

[Flying Colors]

Honestly knowing the way Sarver can be, its not a stretch

[dremill24]

The rest of the world knew Luka was the pick without the benefit of a “thorough scouting process.”

[phx#7]

It's funny....it's pretty common knowledge that Sarver was enamored with Doncic but McD wanted Ayton....yet they keep trying to float "Sarver wanted a UA guy"

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That's not how I remember it, most of the good moves tend to get spun in Sarver's favor and his mouth piece Gambo was bashing Doncic as soon as the Suns got the 1st pick.

Ultimately I don't think it really matters. Ayton was going to be the #1 pick for whoever got the top selection that year(Mavs being the only team I could be convinced otherwise on). Ayton has limitless physical potential that is too easy to get enamored with in private workouts.

[LV-Suns]

I remember when McD compared Luka to Joe Johnson. Then he said Ayton’s workout was the best workout he had ever seen.