2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[drosereturn]

To me, Carter completely tanked his value he is useless as in market value.
While I wanted him to rebuild his value, I dont think it ever goes up with his looming rfa status every year passes by.
if Wiseman can shoot 3s in workouts, he might be that next Dwight I wouldnt mind.
His highlights are just so limited AK has to make the final decision.

[HomoSapien]

Will Perdue beat me to it, but if we are looking to trade then Carter, 4, and Felicio and/or Young really does make for a solid trade package. It has a bit of everything from young talent, to high draft pick, to expiring contracts.

[TheSuzerain]

1. MIN - Anthony Edwards
It's a no brainer that Wiseman doesn't go #1 here, about the only team that wouldn't consider it. Wiseman has zero PF capability. Russell is their PG, so they almost certainly take the best wing.

2. GSW - Wiseman
There's a great chance they trade this for someone who helps them next season, but either way I think the player with the most hype goes #2 and that's Wiseman.

3. CHA - Deni/OB
This might seem high for either guy, but CHA has two PGs both averaging 32+ mpg and 18 ppg. Lamelo isn't the type of PG that can slide to SG either, shooting is the worst aspect of his game. PJ & Miles are their "bigs" at 6' 6" and 6' 7", with Zeller at the 5. I think MJ would go for some size here.

4. CHI - Hayes/LaMelo/Haliburton

This draft order came out wonderfully for Chicago even though we didn't get #1. Because all 3 teams ahead of us are completely loaded at the PG position (Steph Curry, D.Russell, Devonte), which leaves us as the first team picking with a clear need at PG.

There's a solid chance that picking #4 we pick whoever we would have picked at #1.

So you aren't high about Coby being our starter point for a long time?

No one with any sense thinks Coby projects as a starting point.

Unless you've got a superstar at the 2 or 3 or something then you can start whomever at point.

[ChicagoSportsFan21]

Assuming Edwards, Wiseman, and Ball are taken and everyone else is available, who would you take and why out of these comparisons?

PG-Hayes vs Haliburton

PF-Avdija or Toppin

[MrFortune3]

Hornets need to put fans in the seats eventually, they likely take LaMelo

I am hoping they draft him. But you think MJ is drafting LaVar’s son with all the trash talking he was doing?

I'm feeling Wiseman to Charlotte.

Wiseman would be the perfect fit for them. They need a rim protecting big who can also develop on offense. The pick and roll with Graham and Wiseman would be epic.

[TheSuzerain]

Lavine and #4 for Graham and #3.

[nomorezorro]

Can you guys remember someone who shoots and finishes at the rim as bad as LaMello ever improving to above average? Because I can't.
And Simmons is a much, MUCH superior player to a non shooting LaMello, and even he couldn't make it work when it counted.
So yeah, I'm a big NO on LaMello at 4.

this is a really good question i would be interested in if other people had any answers. this was my first thought based on a recent posting exchange — jaylen brown shot 45% at the rim and 29% on threes in college; he just shot 70% at the rim and 38% on threes in the nba.

i feel like the realistic best case scenario for ball is

1. sort his footwork out and get him to have at least a passable outside shot to keep defenses honest (also have him stop shooting incredibly dumb shots)
2. have him bulk up a little bit so even if his touch at the rim doesn't improve a ton he can at least hunt contact and get to the line

the simmons comparison is constructive, because i love him but his value is predicated on being effective at the rim and being an elite defender. it would be kind of astonishing if you could say either one of those things about lamelo ball in four years

[Dez]

To me, Carter completely tanked his value he is useless as in market value.
While I wanted him to rebuild his value, I dont think it ever goes up with his looming rfa status every year passes by.
if Wiseman can shoot 3s in workouts, he might be that next Dwight I wouldnt mind.
His highlights are just so limited AK has to make the final decision.

If Wiseman shoots 3s then that sends Lauri out of Chicago instantly given that he literally provides nothing else and is a RFA at the end of next season.

WCJ provides excellent defense and has more time left on his rookie deal than Lauri.

Teams would absolutely love to get WCJ, it's ridiculous of you to think he has no market value.

[MrFortune3]

Will Perdue beat me to it, but if we are looking to trade then Carter, 4, and Felicio and/or Young really does make for a solid trade package. It has a bit of everything from young talent, to high draft pick, to expiring contracts.

No. Just draft and develop.

[D_GoLow]

What do you guys view Coby White as? PG or SG?

The league is becoming positionless so neither.
He's a scoring guard

[NecessaryEvil]

I don't think the Warriors want WCJ and a lower prospect. They want to win another title now.

[nomorezorro]

Here's one way to get Wiseman:

Read on Twitter

I don't think I'd do it because I think WCJ would've gone Top 3 if he were in this class, and do we really want to use yet another lottery pick on a big? You look around the league and the most valuable players are these 6'7 - 6'9 forwards who can shoot, dribble, and pass at an elite level (in which we have none in our roster). Though I don't know if there's anybody that fits that criteria in this class.

already want to change my signature to DON'T GIVE UP AN ASSET TO MOVE UP IN THE WORST DRAFT IN YEARS

[D_GoLow]

Would it be ironic if we took the guard from Iowa State?

I totally think we go international

[TheStig]

Damn, I don't think Wiseman will be there at four.

It's hard to get excited about a big that can't shoot. Which is why I'm down on Carter who doesn't prioritize mastering the corner 3.

I think Wiseman will develop a good shooting touch from the outside. I like his size and athleticism. This Bulls team needs someone who can consistently get easy baskets. My biggest problem with the 19-20 Bulls had to be the number of tough jump shots that had to drop in order for them to win. Wiseman can solve that problem more than anyone in this draft class. I do have my questions about his footwork though.

He's really athletic and long but I'm not seeing a guy at this point who looks like a shooter or creator. And to be honest, your center rarely is a creator. He should be a decent shooter, rebounder, be able to switch and protect the paint. He's all of them except the shooter which is why I don't think he'll be bad. But if AK think someone has high upside, i'd rather he chase someone who he feels can be a #1. I don't see Wiseman being that.

[kodo]

What do you guys view Coby White as? PG or SG?

He's more of a SG. He's not great running the P&R. He is best hunting for his own shot.

But a primarily scoring guard like him plays the PG position often enough these days, Kemba Walker only averages 4 apg. Jamal Murray also 4 apg.

[D_GoLow]

Our past #4 picks have included Marcus Fizer & Eddy Curry...sure hope AK keeps breaking traditions.

[youngthegiant]

What do you guys view Coby White as? PG or SG?

The league is becoming positionless so neither.
He's a scoring guard

Okay SG.

[HomoSapien]

Will Perdue beat me to it, but if we are looking to trade then Carter, 4, and Felicio and/or Young really does make for a solid trade package. It has a bit of everything from young talent, to high draft pick, to expiring contracts.

No. Just draft and develop.

That’s such an odd blanket strategy to have.

[SfBull]

I'm good. You see? No expectations. I'm happy. What a great day. We should celebrate. Pick 4 is tons better than pick 7-9.

Anthony Edwards and Wiseman will be gone before we pick.

LaMello won't be available either so we'll have to trust in Eversley's allegedly knowledge for finding potentially good players like Avidja or Okoro.

Avidja's fan? Not exactly,just saying we can't exclude the possibility of Deni developing in a great player.We never know.I'm trying to keep optimistic about this draft as I don't believe that AK will trade our pick so we'll go BPA .Who will be that guy? I don't know, just won't discard Avidja in a open ( and likely weak ) draft like that.

Wow. You got defensive there. Easy. I'm ok with Deni. I'm just not a fan. But if AK chooses him, I'm fine with that. Life goes on.

[The Box Office]

And amare has no chance in this league who plays no defense and cant shoot 3s which is why he couldnt get out of retirement.
ak just has to hope one of those 3 stars fall.

This.

Don’t get what people see in Toppin at the NBA level. He’s John Collins w even less D at his peak.

It’s a wing league people.

I agree with that it is... but it's also a best player available league...
I think a 20+ppg (possibly 25+) efficient scorer with Heart isn't the worst thing in the world at pick 4.

I need someone to explain to me what everyone sees in Deni tho.

I get he's a SF. What else does he have going for him?

As far as I see, forget the word great, he's not even "Good" at anything. He's avg at best at every single basketball skill.

Why should I be more excited about him than say, Joe Ingles? Because from what I've seen, he still has a ways to go to even match him...

I'm with you. I don't see it either. I'm getting attacked for this. There is a DENI DEFENSE FORCE in here. Why are some of y'all so protective of Deni? Is he a Scottie Pippen level player? Can he run an offense with his dribbling and court vision? Can he dunk from the free throw line? Deni doesn't have a jump shot.




I'm trying real hard to NOT dismiss Deni, Ringo. I get that he's ok defensively.

Michael Jordan might not take LaMelo at number 3 because of his personal heat with LaMelo's dad, LaVar Ball. MJ could take Deni at number 3 instead.