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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1601 » by Pointgod » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:58 am

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HarthorneWingo wrote:
And then he did absolutely nothing to address them. Trump is simply a fraudster of the highest order. Not only is he a sociopath, he’s also not very knowledgeable about anything other than how to swindle people. Trump always was way in over his head. Obama did get that part right in his speech.

He's doing everything he said he would and we love him for it.

He's running out of Obama things to erase, if he gets relelected, he might be forced to actually forced to do his job and stop hiding behind obama


Ahhhahaha oh that’s a good one. Trump do work? He’s a lazy, basic bitch. If he gets re-elected Trump will do nothing but enrich himself and his family. Expect 4 years of doing jack ****. Just remember everything Trump does now is for politics, if he doesn’t have to fake it anymore his cult members are going to be in for a surprise. It’s going to be amazing when Evangelicals see his true colors
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1602 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:04 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:@ John Meachum

MLK said beware of the liberal white man


I see the Wingo Embarrassing Themselves With Their Historical Illiteracy To Position Themselves As The Conscience Of Humanity Hour is on the air again.

You can continue to cherry pick everything with a low intellect spin to show how morally superior you are, but I will continue to expose your BS.

Letter From a Birmingham Jail has far more than a single quote taken out of context.

In this message, MLK also said

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress.


Yet you act like the Democrats winning is a perpetuation of evils against the oppressed when it is obvious the Trump administration is the greatest enemy to justice imaginable. You will have zero law and order leading to real justice with Trump.

Your proclamation of love for the black man as if you are somehow a superior white man is just another vulgarization of racial divisions that is offered not as a valid critique of those you disagree with, but as a crude form of virtue signaling that exposes your unearned vanity and is matched only by your delusion of superiority.

You think you care more about people or black people than others? You slimeball. How dare you infer you're better. This is all about you. It always has been.

There has never been an enemy of the people, much less black people, in our lifetime as great as Trump. You want to rectify history, then your only chance will be to win and then either reform the democratic system or start your own party and change the system completely. But since you won't do anything of the sort, you'll content yourself with this smug BS that somehow you're better than everyone except a card carrying leftie that passes your infantile smell tests.

MLK also wrote:

We must come to see that, as the federal courts have consistently affirmed, it is wrong to urge an individual to cease his efforts to gain his basic constitutional rights because the quest may precipitate violence. Society must protect the robbed and punish the robber. I had also hoped that the white moderate would reject the myth concerning time in relation to the struggle for freedom. I have just received a letter from a white brother in Texas. He writes: "All Christians know that the colored people will receive equal rights eventually, but it is possible that you are in too great a religious hurry. It has taken Christianity almost two thousand years to accomplish what it has. The teachings of Christ take time to come to earth.


And somehow you construe this to mean that anyone who doesn't grovel at the feet of far left orthodoxy lacks any sense of urgency about injustice. You have no clue about what people feel or believe except yourself. You don't have a license to claim you're the only ones who care about the oppressed or that those who want to beat back a pack of Nazis are complacent apologists for business as usual.

Unlike petulant, self-centered, morally righteous children like you, the adults in the room actually understand how bad system inequities are, but they don't spend all their time attacking the candidates who can beat the Nazis which can then lead to a restoration of enough stability to address these inequities.

You don't get to play the you're better card anymore Wingo. You valorize your mental instability as righteous anger, but in truth you're just an unstable one trick pony whose only go to play is tell people they are neo-liberals. You know nothing about others, because you don't listen and you don't learn, because you only care about how it makes you look. You deserve taking a beating, because that is the only thing you apparently understand based on your non-stop bullying of any issue into a bloody pulp without nuance
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1603 » by Stannis » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:19 am

BallSacBounce wrote:
Stannis wrote:
BKlutch wrote:Obama killed a prominent infamous Muslim but was nevertheless a strong supporter of treating Muslims, and Muslim Americans, properly and with respect.

:eek2: :eek1: :eek1:

Maybe on the outside, but when it came down to it, he was as bad as W. Bush if not worse since he bombed Libya and Yemen as well. Lot of civilians were killed. Nothing respectable about that.

https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/the-assassination-complex/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/president-obamas-weak-defense-of-his-record-on-drone-strikes/511454/

Obama was damn good at bombing Muslims. Respectfully, of course, because he was a gentleman.

From Obama himself: "'Turns out I'm really good at killing people"

Bottom line, I must admit, if this wasn't a dem president, people would lose their **** like when Trump bombed Iran/Soleimani.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1604 » by Stannis » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:24 am

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BKlutch wrote:So I suppose Muslim countries can't do anything wrong, or attacking them is always wrong.
Who's saying that?

Point is, you cant kill and ruin countless of innocent lives and say you treat them with respect

Not going to get the world any further ahead.
Neither will bombing the hell out of a country. I always thought that was the GOPs' way of doing things until Obama.


I think the problem is that you’re looking at it as a binary choice when it’s a choice between multiple **** options.

Thanks for linking those articles they’re really good. So what do you believe are possible solutions or alternatives to the drone strikes?

Same question I ask about intervening in countries like Libya and Syria. What’s a better way to address dictators because I don’t agree letting civilians die but intervention also has its costs.

Wish I could tell you, but I don't have military experience. So I wouldn't know. But I don't believe Obama intervened without congressional approval to "bring peace".

Anyways, let's say "bringing peace" in the Middle-East was the plan (about as believable as Bush's wars), it was awfully executed. If the result is more turmoil, deaths, damages, you are doing it wrong. Sometimes it's better to do nothing if you have no plan. I think Obama's first drone attack a less than a week after his presidency began.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1605 » by Stannis » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:27 am

rammagen wrote:remember when trump sdaid he would be too busy to play golf
https://trumpgolfcount.com/
versus Obama for 2 yrs
https://presidentialgolftracker.com/trump-vs-obama-golf-games/
IDC about people playing golf but he lied there too and you trump supporters dont care it is costing you more.

My favorite was all right wingers on Obama's ass for Ebola when there was two deaths. Fast forward years later, "Coronavirus is overblown"

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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1606 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:28 am

Stannis wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
Stannis wrote: :eek2: :eek1: :eek1:

Maybe on the outside, but when it came down to it, he was as bad as W. Bush if not worse since he bombed Libya and Yemen as well. Lot of civilians were killed. Nothing respectable about that.

https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/the-assassination-complex/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/president-obamas-weak-defense-of-his-record-on-drone-strikes/511454/

Obama was damn good at bombing Muslims. Respectfully, of course, because he was a gentleman.

From Obama himself: "'Turns out I'm really good at killing people"

Bottom line, I must admit, if this wasn't a dem president, people would lose their **** like when Trump bombed Iran/Soleimani.


I've seen commentary that affirmed Soleimani was a legit terrorist target, but some differred about the timing and optics in how the attack was launched. IOW, if someone does support counter-terrorist strikes, then Soleimani was probably worth taking out. But politically, it was bad strategy if you supported the nuclear agreements with Iran. Trump clearly does not.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1607 » by Stannis » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:30 am

robillionaire wrote:pretty much the only thing he delivered on was "triggering the libs" which is fun

Sadly, I think this is #1 on the Trump's voter priority. Ok, maybe not #1 but it's up there.

I got some relatives that suddenly view him and Tucker Carlson as heroes because they are anti-BLM, anti-SJW. There's a sizable population that thinks white people are the oppressed and they are flocking to Trump. It's why I think Trump wins the rust belt again, maybe with bigger margins.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1608 » by Pointgod » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:39 am

Stannis wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
Stannis wrote: :eek2: :eek1: :eek1:

Maybe on the outside, but when it came down to it, he was as bad as W. Bush if not worse since he bombed Libya and Yemen as well. Lot of civilians were killed. Nothing respectable about that.

https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/the-assassination-complex/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/president-obamas-weak-defense-of-his-record-on-drone-strikes/511454/

Obama was damn good at bombing Muslims. Respectfully, of course, because he was a gentleman.

From Obama himself: "'Turns out I'm really good at killing people"

Bottom line, I must admit, if this wasn't a dem president, people would lose their **** like when Trump bombed Iran/Soleimani.


Wait you know that civilians deaths, drone strikes and bombings in the Middle East were exponentially worse under Trump right? Like it’s not even close. It’s actually amazing that Trump has gotten a pass on his Foreign Policy, especially from Progressives. The criticism from the left on Trump’s Foreign policy has been especially muted.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1609 » by Stannis » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:44 am

Pointgod wrote:
Stannis wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:Obama was damn good at bombing Muslims. Respectfully, of course, because he was a gentleman.

From Obama himself: "'Turns out I'm really good at killing people"

Bottom line, I must admit, if this wasn't a dem president, people would lose their **** like when Trump bombed Iran/Soleimani.


Wait you know that civilians deaths, drone strikes and bombings in the Middle East were exponentially worse under Trump right? Like it’s not even close. It’s actually amazing that Trump has gotten a pass on his Foreign Policy, especially from Progressives. The criticism from the left on Trump’s Foreign policy has been especially muted.

I'm aware. Not sure who is giving him a pass though or progressives for that matter. He gets lot of criticism for his crappy foreign policy. What news do you watch/read?
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1610 » by Oscirus » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:53 am

Knee on the neck, nice.
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Post#1611 » by Stannis » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:54 am

I asked before, but no answers. Has China been brought up at all in the convention?

They crimes against human rights is worth talking about (Hong Kong and the Uighurs).

I'm afraid Biden is falling into Trump's trap on these issues. It might prove critical for the rust belt.

Now I'm not saying to be (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and call it the "Chinese-Virus" and blame the Chinese people for everything. But their government is doing some really bad stuff.
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Post#1612 » by Stannis » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:56 am

Seems like the narrative this election is Biden + China V Trump + Russia
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Post#1613 » by Oscirus » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:02 am

Kinda crazy that joe is probably dems third best orator behind obama and probably Bernie ( Bill has aged out ).
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1614 » by Oscirus » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:03 am

Stannis wrote:I asked before, but no answers. Has China been brought up at all in the convention?

They crimes against human rights is worth talking about (Hong Kong and the Uighurs).

I'm afraid Biden is falling into Trump's trap on these issues. It might prove critical for the rust belt.

Now I'm not saying to be (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and call it the "Chinese-Virus" and blame the Chinese people for everything. But their government is doing some really bad stuff.

Biden bought up china and not being as dependent upon them in this speech
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Post#1615 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:04 am

Stannis wrote:I asked before, but no answers. Has China been brought up at all in the convention?

They crimes against human rights is worth talking about (Hong Kong and the Uighurs).

I'm afraid Biden is falling into Trump's trap on these issues. It might prove critical for the rust belt.

Now I'm not saying to be (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and call it the "Chinese-Virus" and blame the Chinese people for everything. But their government is doing some really bad stuff.


Well, if it comes up during debates, Trump told the Chinese to go ahead and build the concentration camps for the Uighurs.

But, the version the right want to discuss is trade wars over IP violations and the manufacturing of a virus. Human rights and the freedom of HK is not on their playlist.

The Chinese government sucks. They are genocidal and want to rule the world, none of which I dispute, but only a fool or a cult member would believe Trump is handling China.

Wait until we find out from his tax records which of Trump's loans came from a Chinese bank. I've seen rumors he owes them around 200 Million.

Ivanka even got a Chinese patent on a voting machine she wants to build and install in America.

And Trump shipping PPE in great quantities to China just as our pandemic took off is something I'd like Biden to ask about.

Nothing about Trump and China suggests to me he is actually their foe. Anyone who falls for that is a sucker.
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Post#1616 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:06 am

Oscirus wrote:
Stannis wrote:I asked before, but no answers. Has China been brought up at all in the convention?

They crimes against human rights is worth talking about (Hong Kong and the Uighurs).

I'm afraid Biden is falling into Trump's trap on these issues. It might prove critical for the rust belt.

Now I'm not saying to be (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and call it the "Chinese-Virus" and blame the Chinese people for everything. But their government is doing some really bad stuff.

Biden bought up china and not being as dependent upon them in this speech


Biden has clearly stated his intent to uncouple U.S. health care needs from China's supply chain and to install a just-in-time manufacturing infrastructure to handle future health emergencies and rightfully so
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1617 » by robillionaire » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:09 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:@ John Meachum

MLK said beware of the liberal white man


I see the Wingo Embarrassing Themselves With Their Historical Illiteracy To Position Themselves As The Conscience Of Humanity Hour is on the air again.

You can continue to cherry pick everything with a low intellect spin to show how morally superior you are, but I will continue to expose your BS.

Letter From a Birmingham Jail has far more than a single quote taken out of context.

In this message, MLK also said

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress.


Yet you act like the Democrats winning is a perpetuation of evils against the oppressed when it is obvious the Trump administration is the greatest enemy to justice imaginable. You will have zero law and order leading to real justice with Trump.

Your proclamation of love for the black man as if you are somehow a superior white man is just another vulgarization of racial divisions that is offered not as a valid critique of those you disagree with, but as a crude form of virtue signaling that exposes your unearned vanity and is matched only by your delusion of superiority.

You think you care more about people or black people than others? You slimeball. How dare you infer you're better. This is all about you. It always has been.

There has never been an enemy of the people, much less black people, in our lifetime as great as Trump. You want to rectify history, then your only chance will be to win and then either reform the democratic system or start your own party and change the system completely. But since you won't do anything of the sort, you'll content yourself with this smug BS that somehow you're better than everyone except a card carrying leftie that passes your infantile smell tests.

MLK also wrote:

We must come to see that, as the federal courts have consistently affirmed, it is wrong to urge an individual to cease his efforts to gain his basic constitutional rights because the quest may precipitate violence. Society must protect the robbed and punish the robber. I had also hoped that the white moderate would reject the myth concerning time in relation to the struggle for freedom. I have just received a letter from a white brother in Texas. He writes: "All Christians know that the colored people will receive equal rights eventually, but it is possible that you are in too great a religious hurry. It has taken Christianity almost two thousand years to accomplish what it has. The teachings of Christ take time to come to earth.


And somehow you construe this to mean that anyone who doesn't grovel at the feet of far left orthodoxy lacks any sense of urgency about injustice. You have no clue about what people feel or believe except yourself. You don't have a license to claim you're the only ones who care about the oppressed or that those who want to beat back a pack of Nazis are complacent apologists for business as usual.

Unlike petulant, self-centered, morally righteous children like you, the adults in the room actually understand how bad system inequities are, but they don't spend all their time attacking the candidates who can beat the Nazis which can then lead to a restoration of enough stability to address these inequities.

You don't get to play the you're better card anymore Wingo. You valorize your mental instability as righteous anger, but in truth you're just an unstable one trick pony whose only go to play is tell people they are neo-liberals. You know nothing about others, because you don't listen and you don't learn, because you only care about how it makes you look. You deserve taking a beating, because that is the only thing you apparently understand based on your non-stop bullying of any issue into a bloody pulp without nuance


you took that last quote out of context and cut it off as to make it appear to be saying the exact opposite thing he was saying. he was criticizing the guy who was saying "these things take time" and saying the time is now
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1618 » by robillionaire » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:11 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:Yeah, The Dixie Chicks. Republicans’ heads explode when you even mention their name


they're just called "the chicks" now. they dumped dixie :lol:
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Post#1619 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:12 am

Pointgod wrote:
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BKlutch wrote:So I suppose Muslim countries can't do anything wrong, or attacking them is always wrong.
Who's saying that?

Point is, you cant kill and ruin countless of innocent lives and say you treat them with respect

Not going to get the world any further ahead.
Neither will bombing the hell out of a country. I always thought that was the GOPs' way of doing things until Obama.


I think the problem is that you’re looking at it as a binary choice when it’s a choice between multiple **** options.

Thanks for linking those articles they’re really good. So what do you believe are possible solutions or alternatives to the drone strikes?

Same question I ask about intervening in countries like Libya and Syria. What’s a better way to address dictators because I don’t agree letting civilians die but intervention also has its costs.


Use diplomatic means to address the issue. Did I just blow your mind? :lol:
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Post#1620 » by robillionaire » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:17 am

Stannis wrote:Seems like the narrative this election is Biden + China V Trump + Russia


that's certainly the narrative although I don't know if it's grounded in any sort of reality

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