The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5)

Baski · Post #1321 » by **Baski** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:02 am

Yikes

Dupp · Post #1322 » by **Dupp** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:03 am

lol this is the same dude always complaining that ADs defends is overrated too.

Basileus777 · Post #1323 » by **Basileus777** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:03 am

freethedevil wrote:
Basileus777 wrote:
freethedevil wrote:The idea that a two way big can be overrated is hilarious. Basketball fans care about ppg, not defense.

Ppg is what drives the Anthony Davis hype though.

Not as much as it would drive the vast majority of superstars. So he would stll be underrated relative to guys like kd, harden, kawhi, ect.

Curry and Lebron kinda are mitigated with creation being horrifically underrated, but comapred to everyone else, ad's prolly underrated if anything

Not going to agree here, people overate AD based on his box score when impact metrics don't really agree with him being a top tier player on either side of the ball. He's a good finisher who can't pass and is limited in creating his own offense and his defense is good, but not dpoty material.

Heej · Post #1324 » by **Heej** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:04 am

Son I've said this for the past 5 years. JR Smith is no cap the most underrated passer in NBA history

SideshowBob · Post #1325 » by **SideshowBob** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:05 am

Lakers DRTG through 2 games in going to be somewhere in the 80s at this pace.

freethedevil · Post #1326 » by **freethedevil** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:07 am

Dupp wrote:lol this is the same dude always complaining that ADs defends is overrated too.

AD's defense is overrated and ad is underrated overall aren't mutually exclusive concepts.

Try thinking before you post next time.

Basileus777 · Post #1327 » by **Basileus777** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:08 am

freethedevil wrote:
Dupp wrote:lol this is the same dude always complaining that ADs defends is overrated too.

AD's defense is overrated and ad is underrated overall aren't mutually exclusive concepts.

Try thinking before you post next time.

They kind of are mutually exclusive, as AD's offense is actually the part of his game that is most overvalued.

yoyoboy · Post #1328 » by **yoyoboy** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:10 am

Man can you imagine 2018 LeBron with this kind of defense around him? Basically everything has been contested tonight.

freethedevil · Post #1329 » by **freethedevil** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:11 am

Basileus777 wrote:
freethedevil wrote:
Basileus777 wrote:Ppg is what drives the Anthony Davis hype though.

Not as much as it would drive the vast majority of superstars. So he would stll be underrated relative to guys like kd, harden, kawhi, ect.

Curry and Lebron kinda are mitigated with creation being horrifically underrated, but comapred to everyone else, ad's prolly underrated if anything

Not going to agree here, people overate AD based on his box score when impact metrics don't really agree with him being a top tier player on either side of the ball. He's a good finisher who can't pass and is limited in creating his own offense and his defense is good, but not dpoty material.

What? impact metrics had him as giannis level during 18-19. And they still view him as like as the third or fourth best defender in the game.

His impact metrics have consistently put him on the level of players like KD and Harden, but the former joined a 73 win to play with curry and the latter gets espn spamming his "never did this since wilt" ****. The former two are seen as respectable best player in the league candidates, and ad isn't, even though metrics view them as the same calibre of player.

Greyhound · Post #1330 » by **Greyhound** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:11 am

nzahir wrote:Why doesn't Lebron go back to shoot around? Legit no reason not to

Cmon man

For a guy who prides himself on work ethic, its not all about physical workouts and staying in shape

Kieff keeps bricking. Why are we playing him so much? Cuz of the matchup? Rather Dion play more

He made shots in the first game and he has been excellent defensively in both.

MyUniBroDavis · Post #1331 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:13 am

You kind of have to give reasons for why Davis is overrated outside of workkng backwards from impact data.I can see the argument offensively in that when lebrons not there the team probably suffers but Davis is pretty clearly one of the best defenders in the league if you analyze his play. On-off and RAPM cant justify a player not being as good as people think if those are the only arguments for it, or else the opposite is true as well

Greyhound · Post #1332 » by **Greyhound** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:15 am

I am encouraged by the Lakers team defense, but this LeBron is not going to cut it moving forward.

freethedevil · Post #1333 » by **freethedevil** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:16 am

Basileus777 wrote:
freethedevil wrote:
Dupp wrote:lol this is the same dude always complaining that ADs defends is overrated too.

AD's defense is overrated and ad is underrated overall aren't mutually exclusive concepts.

Try thinking before you post next time.

They kind of are mutually exclusive, as AD's offense is actually the part of his game that is most overvalued.

Statement A: AD is overrated relative to other defensive anchors like giannis and gobert.

Statement B: AD is overrated relative to most superstars.

Those statements aren't mutually exclusive, dupp's obsession with getting "gotchas", aside.

freethedevil · Post #1334 » by **freethedevil** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:18 am

MyUniBroDavis wrote: On-off and RAPM cant justify a player not being as good as people think if those are the only arguments for it, or else the opposite is true as well

Huh? That's kinda dumb.

Why should a minority opinion need evidence any more than a majority one?

If literally the only counter is "well i disagree", then i'll take impact data over "well, i disagree"

nzahir · Post #1335 » by **nzahir** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:19 am

Greyhound wrote:
nzahir wrote:Why doesn't Lebron go back to shoot around? Legit no reason not to

Cmon man

For a guy who prides himself on work ethic, its not all about physical workouts and staying in shape

Kieff keeps bricking. Why are we playing him so much? Cuz of the matchup? Rather Dion play more

He made shots in the first game and he has been excellent defensively in both.

Well he shot 2 shots last game, but his defense has been good from what I have seen

Better than Mcgee, at least he spaces floor and more mobile in this trapping/help defense we are playing

Starting 5 won't change it looks like..for now at least

But Mcgee has to play a bit less, 13 min is still maybe 3-7 too much

Dion should get minutes, not sure what Vogel is doing...unless he plans on giving those minutes to Rondo

Dupp · Post #1336 » by **Dupp** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:21 am

A lot of crying itt. Bucks won it’s all good

Dupp · Post #1337 » by **Dupp** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:22 am

Greyhound wrote:
nzahir wrote:Why doesn't Lebron go back to shoot around? Legit no reason not to

Cmon man

For a guy who prides himself on work ethic, its not all about physical workouts and staying in shape

Kieff keeps bricking. Why are we playing him so much? Cuz of the matchup? Rather Dion play more

He made shots in the first game and he has been excellent defensively in both.

I’m sure he spends a lot of time shooting the ball out of game time. Don’t obsess too much with this shoot around stuff

MyUniBroDavis · Post #1338 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:22 am

freethedevil wrote:
Basileus777 wrote:
freethedevil wrote:Not as much as it would drive the vast majority of superstars. So he would stll be underrated relative to guys like kd, harden, kawhi, ect.

Curry and Lebron kinda are mitigated with creation being horrifically underrated, but comapred to everyone else, ad's prolly underrated if anything

Not going to agree here, people overate AD based on his box score when impact metrics don't really agree with him being a top tier player on either side of the ball. He's a good finisher who can't pass and is limited in creating his own offense and his defense is good, but not dpoty material.

What? impact metrics had him as giannis level during 18-19. And they still view him as like as the third or fourth best defender in the game.

His impact metrics have consistently put him on the level of players like KD and Harden, but the former joined a 73 win to play with curry and the latter gets espn spamming his "never did this since wilt" ****. The former two are seen as respectable best player in the league candidates, and ad isn't, even though metrics view them as the same calibre of player.

Impact metrics with davis are weird because multiyear stuff underrates him because of how weird his yearly production is. He wasnt great in 2016 and 2017 on offense, 2018 he was incredible once cousins got hurt but before that he and cousins werent a great fit/werent a good match yet, 2019 he was great offensively but stopped caring on D because of the drama, so multiyear is gonna be hard on him. Davis's rapm in 2015 was mvp level and hes leagues better than he was back then, on offense its a utilization thing clearly and rapm has his defense as pretty damn good from 2016-2019, and as a fan of his he is a better defender in 2020 than 2019 for a variety of reasons

trickshot · Post #1339 » by **trickshot** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:24 am

You just know G35 is pissed his team is no longer getting swept

dreamshake · Post #1340 » by **dreamshake** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:24 am

nzahir wrote:Better than Mcgee, at least he spaces floor and more mobile in this trapping/help defense we are playing

nzahir wrote:But Mcgee has to play a bit less, 13 min is still maybe 3-7 too much

McGee had 10 pts on 5/6 FG with 8 rebounds and 3 assists and was a +15 in 13 minutes. And played solid defense. What else do you want the guy to do?