Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[stormi]

Presti is way too smart a GM to take on Tobias. I can't see it.

I saw some Hornets fans being receptive to something around Rozier and Big Horf. I'm in there all the way.

[the_process]

Presti is way too smart a GM to take on Tobias. I can't see it.

I saw some Hornets fans being receptive to something around Rozier and Big Horf. I'm in there all the way.

They want multiple firsts for that swap. And to add Zeller. Complete non-starter.

[the_process]

If you're OKC, why would you trade Paul for Tobias? How does that benefit them? He's on the books for two more years after Paul's contract expires, and would be owed $37 million & $39 million in those years.

Horford, while not all that tradable himself, makes much more sense if OKC wants to semi-blow it up (trade Paul, Adams, and let Gallo walk). Besides for his contract being less money than Tobias, he's also only on the books an extra year longer than Paul...and only $14.5 million of it is guaranteed.

Horford & Mike Scott for Chris Paul lines up money-wise. Obviously, we'd need to toss in a pick and even then who knows. But that seems much more viable than getting off Tobias.

Harris is locked in, which is a positive to a market like OKC, and steps right in to replace Gallo. OKC also saves money for the next two years on the deal. You would have to add a couple of future firsts, but if they get beat in 4 or 5 by the Rockets and Gallo leaves... I think it's entirely possible.

[stormi]

Presti is way too smart a GM to take on Tobias. I can't see it.

I saw some Hornets fans being receptive to something around Rozier and Big Horf. I'm in there all the way.

They want multiple firsts for that swap. And to add Zeller. Complete non-starter.

Didn't see the multiple firsts part (and that just sounds like blinded fan talk), but salary on top of TRo would have to be coming back to balance the books.

I'm not mad at taking back Zeller, an elite backup big who's a UFA in 2021 and Rozier for Al.

Shedding years and money off of one block is a step in the right direction imo. We get a ballhandler that shoots 40% from 3 and nearly 90% from the line and a backup center, and better roster cohesiveness. It's not pretty but it definitely makes the Sixers better.

[ZarcMumoff]

If you're OKC, why would you trade Paul for Tobias? How does that benefit them? He's on the books for two more years after Paul's contract expires, and would be owed $37 million & $39 million in those years.

Horford, while not all that tradable himself, makes much more sense if OKC wants to semi-blow it up (trade Paul, Adams, and let Gallo walk). Besides for his contract being less money than Tobias, he's also only on the books an extra year longer than Paul...and only $14.5 million of it is guaranteed.

Horford & Mike Scott for Chris Paul lines up money-wise. Obviously, we'd need to toss in a pick and even then who knows. But that seems much more viable than getting off Tobias.

Harris is locked in, which is a positive to a market like OKC, and steps right in to replace Gallo. OKC also saves money for the next two years on the deal. You would have to add a couple of future firsts, but if they get beat in 4 or 5 by the Rockets and Gallo leaves... I think it's entirely possible.

1. Harris is on a terrible contract. That's not a positive that he's locked in.
2. Yeah, you save money over the next two years...and then still have to pay Tobias nearly $80 million over the final two.
3. If Gallo leaves and they want to continue to compete, they aren't going to trade Chris Paul for Tobias Harris. How would that improve their team?

I'm sorry, but Tobias isn't going to be traded with 4 years left on his deal. Maybe they can get off Horford, but we are stuck with Tobias.

[cool93]

If you're OKC, why would you trade Paul for Tobias? How does that benefit them? He's on the books for two more years after Paul's contract expires, and would be owed $37 million & $39 million in those years.

Horford, while not all that tradable himself, makes much more sense if OKC wants to semi-blow it up (trade Paul, Adams, and let Gallo walk). Besides for his contract being less money than Tobias, he's also only on the books an extra year longer than Paul...and only $14.5 million of it is guaranteed.

Horford & Mike Scott for Chris Paul lines up money-wise. Obviously, we'd need to toss in a pick and even then who knows. But that seems much more viable than getting off Tobias.

Harris is locked in, which is a positive to a market like OKC, and steps right in to replace Gallo. OKC also saves money for the next two years on the deal. You would have to add a couple of future firsts, but if they get beat in 4 or 5 by the Rockets and Gallo leaves... I think it's entirely possible.

Harris locked in at damn near 40 mln a year is one of the worst contracts in the league. No one is touching that.

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[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Presti is way too smart a GM to take on Tobias. I can't see it.

I saw some Hornets fans being receptive to something around Rozier and Big Horf. I'm in there all the way.

They want multiple firsts for that swap. And to add Zeller. Complete non-starter.

Didn't see the multiple firsts part (and that just sounds like blinded fan talk), but salary on top of TRo would have to be coming back to balance the books.

I'm not mad at taking back Zeller, an elite backup big who's a UFA in 2021 and Rozier for Al.

Shedding years and money off of one block is a step in the right direction imo. We get a ballhandler that shoots 40% from 3 and nearly 90% from the line and a backup center, and better roster cohesiveness. It's not pretty but it definitely makes the Sixers better.

I agree, Terry Rozier made me so angry two years ago! I really hated that guy after that series...Almost as much as I hate Marcus Smart. Thing is...I would trade Al Horford for either one of them in a nanosecond. If acquiring Rozier is the ONLY solution to getting rid of Al Horford, then lets please do it. Rozier can really score. He was a Sixer killer two years ago, the guy can come in right away and average 18-20 ppg for us and fit perfectly with Simmons and Embiid. I'd be fine taking on Zeller as a backup 5 too. With all that, i'd say we're looking at giving up at least one first round pick to get it done. I'd do a 2021 FRP and just be done with Al all together. Take the loss and move on. Hope and pray that Mattise and maybe Zhaire Smith can develop over time. Same with Shake.

[VDT]

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[VDT]

So it's Brands fault that Jimmy wanted to go where the "weather is nice" (he actually said that btw) and he wasn't committed to staying in Philly? But now were get Jrich "he had nothing to do with it?" Your BIAS is showing here in a major way .

When you trade and give assets for a star there is usually an understanding that said star is willing to stay. The fact that Butler didnt stay means that 1. Brand regretted his trade 2. they hadnt reached any agreement before the trade 3. There agreed that Butler would be willing to stay but due to the chemistry problems and overall dysfunction that year due to the trades he didnt want to stay any more. Choose whatever you like, none of them make Brand look good. Whatever happened after Butler decided to leave is not related here because it was not Brand's decision.

No I judge players on their PRODUCTION and ABILITY. The money a player is getting paid IS NOT MY MONEY!!..The fact is Tobias is a 20 ppg wing who's stats are pretty much the same as Kriss Middleton!!..wings like him don't grow on trees and folks acting like his inclusion in this team "is a problem" are very sadly mistaken imo. Trading for him is a LONG way down the list of reasons why we suck right now...the two main issues are BEN AND BROWN!!..period.

That's a naive view and i find it hard to believe that a fan would think like that. The Sixers need to put the best team they can on the court. How much money each player get has a direct influence on their ability to do that. The team needs players that their performance per dollar is above average. That is what helps the team, in a league with a fixed cap space, to put a better team on the court than the opponent or to use said player as an asset in a trade. Conversely players like Harris and Horford prevent the team from putting a better team on the floor than their opponent (as you can see in this series) and one would need to waste assets just to move them to a different team. A GM's job is to lowball the players as much as possible and not give them negative value contracts like what Harris got. Brand's job is to win the title not make Harris and his agent rich. Middleton is also a bad contract, that only makes some sense because of how good the Bucks play, their inability to sign major free agents and the danger of losing Giannis. Harris is a mediocre player that doesnt really influence the team win total and doesnt fit this team. Trading him was just a bad move but signing him on this contract is a crippling move for the franchise. Harris true value is probably in the 15-20 mil range and in the playoffs is probably even lower. The fact that a team with aspirations is paying him a max contract is ridiculous.

There was no way Brand could have gotten such a player when Ben was still the PG when this season started. Ben's lack of growth has undermined the team's progress imo and that's on Ben and the coach...not Brand who has given his coach a decent set of tools for two years in a row now.

No that is on Brand who is responsible for the team building. No one expected Ben to suddenly become that player over the summer, it is highly likely that he will never become such a player. It is the GM's job to assess the roster and its flaws and try to fix it. Whatever he tried to do has failed miserably. He has built a dysfunctional team, likely to be a first round exit that is going to be in the luxury tax. It takes some serious ineptitude to do that in a couple of years given the initial situation.

LOL "getting worse by the year"??? HE'S HAD ONE DRAFT AND ONE FREE AGENCY AS GM!!..and you think that's enough to fully judge him? During his time he got Jimmy Butler for a good deal, drafted Matisse, got Tobias to create a starting five that was dominant when they played together etc...but sadly he's been lumbered with a lacklustre coach and PG who doesn't know how to shoot any form of a jumper...tell me a GM who can succeed under these circumstances?

The team is objectively in a much worse position that when Brand became a GM. That should enough of a reason to fire him. Again Tobias is useless, check the related thread in the general board to see how the Sixers have become the laughing stock of the league, Butler was not a good fit with Tobias and Simmons and as a result the team chemistry suffered. Save from the fluke series againsnt the Raptors the team was as dysfunctional last year as it is this year, again a result of Brand's trades. Also you dont get to blame the players like Simmons for this. Brand is the GM and he sees and evaluates the players every day (at least he should). If he had thought that Simmons is not the player he needed he should have traded him when his value was high. Hinkie traded his rookie of the year because he didnt think he would be a good player. And the coach is obviously not to blame that he has no serious guard or wing rotation in a league dominated by these positions. Again player evaluation and team building is on Brand.

If Brand is fired along with Brown then I'm not gonna cry about it...but the truth is he's a scapegoat for many of you forum GM's and it's ridiculous imo because all Elton has done is try to create a winning team and be aggressive doing so!!..the whole organisation was involved in getting Tobias...so to put the blame on just him is not fair.

Billy King tried to create a winning team, it doesnt say anything. The Sixers are objectively in a much worse situation compared to when Brand became the GM while they had a roster that was expected to improve solely due to age. The team would have been better if he hadnt do anything due to the internal growth. Yet we are in a worse situation due to Brand's "moves". That's enough to fire him although the damage has already been done. They should have never hired such a clueless GM.

[Aussiepiston1]

They want multiple firsts for that swap. And to add Zeller. Complete non-starter.

Didn't see the multiple firsts part (and that just sounds like blinded fan talk), but salary on top of TRo would have to be coming back to balance the books.

I'm not mad at taking back Zeller, an elite backup big who's a UFA in 2021 and Rozier for Al.

Shedding years and money off of one block is a step in the right direction imo. We get a ballhandler that shoots 40% from 3 and nearly 90% from the line and a backup center, and better roster cohesiveness. It's not pretty but it definitely makes the Sixers better.

I agree, Terry Rozier made me so angry two years ago! I really hated that guy after that series...Almost as much as I hate Marcus Smart. Thing is...I would trade Al Horford for either one of them in a nanosecond. If acquiring Rozier is the ONLY solution to getting rid of Al Horford, then lets please do it. Rozier can really score. He was a Sixer killer two years ago, the guy can come in right away and average 18-20 ppg for us and fit perfectly with Simmons and Embiid. I'd be fine taking on Zeller as a backup 5 too. With all that, i'd say we're looking at giving up at least one first round pick to get it done. I'd do a 2021 FRP and just be done with Al all together. Take the loss and move on. Hope and pray that Mattise and maybe Zhaire Smith can develop over time. Same with Shake.

Why would the hornets give up on Rozier for Horford and a late pick, he played really good this year.
I’d do that from our point of view even though the trade checker says we’d be worse off hahaha

[youngcrev]

Hollinger has Rozier as a worse contract than Horford for whatever that's worth.

[PhillyPhilly]

When you trade and give assets for a star there is usually an understanding that said star is willing to stay. The fact that Butler didnt stay means that 1. Brand regretted his trade 2. they hadnt reached any agreement before the trade 3. There agreed that Butler would be willing to stay but due to the chemistry problems and overall dysfunction that year due to the trades he didnt want to stay any more. Choose whatever you like, none of them make Brand look good. Whatever happened after Butler decided to leave is not related here because it was not Brand's decision.

Your bias and naivety is still at a HIGH level here. Butler NEVER CHOSE TO COME TO PHILLY!!..he was traded here. Brand managed to beat out the Rockets to attain him...he gave up two average players and got an all-star whilst the Rockets offered the house and still couldn't get a deal done...and yet people think Morey is some Genius? And if Brand had nothing to do with the Jrich deal how comes the Heat lost a key player in the deal? A player who was only 25 and had THREE years left on a decent deal!!...you think Brand had nothing to do with that? SMH.

That's a naive view and i find it hard to believe that a fan would think like that. The Sixers need to put the best team they can on the court. How much money each player get has a direct influence on their ability to do that. The team needs players that their performance per dollar is above average. That is what helps the team, in a league with a fixed cap space, to put a better team on the court than the opponent or to use said player as an asset in a trade. Conversely players like Harris and Horford prevent the team from putting a better team on the floor than their opponent (as you can see in this series) and one would need to waste assets just to move them to a different team. A GM's job is to lowball the players as much as possible and not give them negative value contracts like what Harris got. Brand's job is to win the title not make Harris and his agent rich. Middleton is also a bad contract, that only makes some sense because of how good the Bucks play, their inability to sign major free agents and the danger of losing Giannis. Harris is a mediocre player that doesnt really influence the team win total and doesnt fit this team. Trading him was just a bad move but signing him on this contract is a crippling move for the franchise. Harris true value is probably in the 15-20 mil range and in the playoffs is probably even lower. The fact that a team with aspirations is paying him a max contract is ridiculous.

Again this is complete nonsense imo. Last season our starting five was hailed as the best IN THE LEAGUE!!..together they were about 15 and 2 during the 17 games they played together before the playoffs. This year the team was again hailed as one of the best in the league and the home record IS ONE OF THE BEST IN LEAGUE HISTORY!!!..so by those two facts alone how the hell can you say that the GM has failed? The issue is Ben has not progressed offensively and Brown is clueless when it comes to adjustments. How many quality GM's in the league would succeed with those two things hanging around their neck? Harris is a quality third piece on a good team but you detractors are still soooooo bitter about the trade that you will blame him for the failings of others...it's pathetic imo.

No that is on Brand who is responsible for the team building. No one expected Ben to suddenly become that player over the summer, it is highly likely that he will never become such a player. It is the GM's job to assess the roster and its flaws and try to fix it. Whatever he tried to do has failed miserably. He has built a dysfunctional team, likely to be a first round exit that is going to be in the luxury tax. It takes some serious ineptitude to do that in a couple of years given the initial situation.

How can you "fix" a team who has one star who can't even shoot a basic jumper and another star who can't stay fit and injury free during the season? You forum Gm's always like to pick and poke at people but you don't have the answers yourselves!!.

The team is objectively in a much worse position that when Brand became a GM. That should enough of a reason to fire him. Again Tobias is useless, check the related thread in the general board to see how the Sixers have become the laughing stock of the league, Butler was not a good fit with Tobias and Simmons and as a result the team chemistry suffered. Save from the fluke series againsnt the Raptors the team was as dysfunctional last year as it is this year, again a result of Brand's trades. Also you dont get to blame the players like Simmons for this. Brand is the GM and he sees and evaluates the players every day (at least he should). If he had thought that Simmons is not the player he needed he should have traded him when his value was high. Hinkie traded his rookie of the year because he didnt think he would be a good player. And the coach is obviously not to blame that he has no serious guard or wing rotation in a league dominated by these positions. Again player evaluation and team building is on Brand.

LOL at anyone who thinks this team is in a "worse position" than when we lost to Boston two years ago!!...UTTER NONSENSE!! ..this year we have assets we can trade and we now know who Ben and Joel really are!!..plus it's been confirmed that Brett is a hot mess too. I'd MUCH rather be here than back two years ago no question about it.

Billy King tried to create a winning team, it doesnt say anything. The Sixers are objectively in a much worse situation compared to when Brand became the GM while they had a roster that was expected to improve solely due to age. The team would have been better if he hadnt do anything due to the internal growth. Yet we are in a worse situation due to Brand's "moves". That's enough to fire him although the damage has already been done. They should have never hired such a clueless GM.

And what's funny is folks like you will hail Hinkie!!..a guy who's only plan was to lose in order to get picks!!..WHAT A GENIUS!!..whereas a guy who is actually TRYING TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP is scapegoated by those same people!!..smh I guess the old saying is true...IGNORANCE REALLY IS BLISS!!.

[Mik317]

and so it all comes back to Hinkie lol.

[Sportfan73]

Josh, Zaire, Scott and pelle(filler) for Buddy
Tobias, #21, 35, and a future first for cp3

Cp3/shake
Buddy
Tiise/kork
Ben/Al
Jojo/Al

I’d then try to get one of Gr3 or Burks to come back. Obviously then Burks costs more.

And then maybe wait a year to move off of Al for multiple bench pieces

[VDT]

I dont get the fascination with Paul. He hasnt been good in the playoffs and he is going to be even worse next year. If he gets injured you will have almost 50 mil in dead money which will kill your next two season and is likely to lead to a rebuild. I dont se much upside, only risks. I also dont think the owners want to pay even more money. If any trade happens it will be in the opposite direction, to save money.

[the_process]

If you're OKC, why would you trade Paul for Tobias? How does that benefit them? He's on the books for two more years after Paul's contract expires, and would be owed $37 million & $39 million in those years.

Horford, while not all that tradable himself, makes much more sense if OKC wants to semi-blow it up (trade Paul, Adams, and let Gallo walk). Besides for his contract being less money than Tobias, he's also only on the books an extra year longer than Paul...and only $14.5 million of it is guaranteed.

Horford & Mike Scott for Chris Paul lines up money-wise. Obviously, we'd need to toss in a pick and even then who knows. But that seems much more viable than getting off Tobias.

Harris is locked in, which is a positive to a market like OKC, and steps right in to replace Gallo. OKC also saves money for the next two years on the deal. You would have to add a couple of future firsts, but if they get beat in 4 or 5 by the Rockets and Gallo leaves... I think it's entirely possible.

1. Harris is on a terrible contract. That's not a positive that he's locked in.
2. Yeah, you save money over the next two years...and then still have to pay Tobias nearly $80 million over the final two.
3. If Gallo leaves and they want to continue to compete, they aren't going to trade Chris Paul for Tobias Harris. How would that improve their team?

I'm sorry, but Tobias isn't going to be traded with 4 years left on his deal. Maybe they can get off Horford, but we are stuck with Tobias.

Let's be honest... CP3 making 80+M the next two years is not a positive contract either, all-star game or not.

And the way it improves their team is they don't miss a beat with Tobias replacing Gallo and SGA replacing CP3. And they add another 1st.

[the_process]

I dont get the fascination with Paul. He hasnt been good in the playoffs and he is going to be even worse next year. If he gets injured you will have almost 50 mil in dead money which will kill your next two season and is likely to lead to a rebuild. I dont se much upside, only risks. I also dont think the owners want to pay even more money. If any trade happens it will be in the opposite direction, to save money.

That's the kind of trade that will be extremely difficult if not impossible. Salary dumping Al or Tobias. They are paying the tax next year with 99.9% certainty. Might as well try to actually take a run at it instead of limping in. And running it back is limping in.

[Negrodamus]

I'm no CP3 fan, but what he brings to the table is better than what both Tobias and Horford bring to the table for this team.

My only concern is that he left both the Clippers and the Rockets on bad terms with their stars (Harden, Griffin, Redick, etc). Probably wouldn't be an issue with Embiid, but I could see him and Simmons not caring for each other.

[the_process]

Richardson, Korkmaz, and 21 for Redick and Alexander-Walker

[the_process]

I'm no CP3 fan, but what he brings to the table is better than what both Tobias and Horford bring to the table for this team.

My only concern is that he left both the Clippers and the Rockets on bad terms with their stars (Harden, Griffin, Redick, etc). Probably wouldn't be an issue with Embiid, but I could see him and Simmons not caring for each other.

Ben clearly needs a guy like CP3. No one has ever gotten in his face and threatened to break his foot off in his *** Paul will certainly do it the first time he drives and kicks it to Ben for a wide open 3... and Ben passes it up.

Jo and Paul I could see clashing at first, and then having a mutual admiration society by mid season.